The Meta game of Dark and Darker
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Time stamps:
00:00 Intro
00:45 The Meta game of Dark and Darker
01:13 Ladders (please fix)
01:40 Stale Metas
01:51 The Cleric
02:11 Don't take this personally
02:45 Jay hears the bad news
03:38 Balance
04:41 The Druid
05:06 Why I like playing casters
07:49 Spears
09:12 Casting Combos
11:50 Arguments
12:23 Cleric Vs Druid
16:27 Closing thoughts
17:23 Funny Clips
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The melee community warned about a lack of melee skill differentiation on release and we weren't listened to because people said the game would just turn into Mordhau.
@nyan1480
10 күн бұрын
Its not complicated like mordhau
@novalegion2280
6 күн бұрын
@@nyan1480 Mordhau isn't even that complicated. The problems with mordhaus system could be solved with 2 changes
@Dolfinius
2 күн бұрын
It's just a worse version of mordhau/chivalrys
@stankobarabata2406
Күн бұрын
Mordhau is just dumb. It's literally peeps playing with max dpi swinging their character models in 40 directions to dodge your attack. Yea I know it's also in DnD but I still remember I bought it in 2022, tried some duels, and every single dude was doing that stuff. And being toxic, of course, because why bother trying to play fairly against new players when you can just cheat and then rub it in. Refunded it straight after. Chivalry is better.
@yedrellow
17 сағат бұрын
@@stankobarabata2406 I never said make dnd a mordhau clone, but max dpi is not really any real advantage in mordhau.
Druids are a problem. But we're also single cell organisms who will duel as rats coming across another Druid.
@rekrn12345
15 күн бұрын
I don't think they really are a problem.
@jradplays3904
14 күн бұрын
@@rekrn12345 druid main i assume
@ygolohcysp8755
13 күн бұрын
Insta morph has got to go
@laranjo5999
13 күн бұрын
The only problem Druid actually has wasn't fixed, which is the insta transform.
Epic PvP fight at the end there. Love the drawn out fights that take a while, those are the pinnacle of this game. That's why longer TTK is so important.
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Agreed
@justly3943
16 күн бұрын
Agree. I think HP needs increased across the board. 100hp classes -> 130-150hp and 120-150hp -> 180-200 hp base
@0rphros
16 күн бұрын
Long TTK however, high damage is needed to help balance the a solo player impact against two parties if they do it *perfect* (ie better gear, skill, timing, luck) instead of never having a chance due to 2 v 1 = lose right now. Playtezt 2 and 3 vibes where a goated solo could be seen to take on a squad.
@GravitasZero
16 күн бұрын
yeah, the most fun fights aren't just 2-3 hits hits long
@kaio01
16 күн бұрын
Agreed
spear headshots through the door doesnt work, that is why the clerics shield didnt dissappear when you hit him
@lotreez9714
16 күн бұрын
wait really?
@HordersBeanie
16 күн бұрын
@@lotreez9714 ye
@rekrn12345
15 күн бұрын
The shield also didn't drop after the bear attack so its very likely he didn't actually hit his head. Probably got a limb shot. You only need to back up slightly to dodge that overheard entirely.
@hewas9738
14 күн бұрын
@@rekrn12345it did drop though? After the bear hit. It just has a fading animation
That clip with the mouse in the corner has got to be one of the funniest things i've ever seen!!! 😂😂😂
You’re brave with the music at 8 minutes. I pray YT doesn’t smite this video like the clerics smiting me in every raid this week.
@colezeller4861
16 күн бұрын
i havent played in over a year and the constant YO-YO balance changes are to blame for sure
@jellypasta151
16 күн бұрын
narc telling them exactly where to find it
@Crumplednoseskin
6 күн бұрын
@jellypasta151 Fr bro delete this shit
Dude, that panther lunge in duel its straight up like World of Warcraft duel druid vs paladin jeez insane play
The issue with druid being "skill expression" is that most other classes don't have access to that sort of skill expression potential. A fighter (for example) can just run (maybe a little faster for a little bit with sprint)and swing, a druid can cast, run, swing, traverse a whole room with ease while also avoiding all the mobs, juke out of a fight instantly, make mob trains way more easily than other classes while also escaping said train more easily than other classes, etc... It immediately makes it an unfair fight since most other classes cannot express nearly as much skill or have nearly as many tools (what amounts to a short free phantomize (during which you can cast) when hit is also another one of those many many tools). I'm not saying remove other classes, but IM needs to add more utility/abilities to other classes to compete in that aspect. But like it was said in this video, balance is a damn mess and IM has been struggling for many months now And yes, I know other classes have issues and are broken, but i'm pointing out that a class being strong due to "skill expression" is still unfair due to how very limited other classes are in that aspect. Also to those that say "just play druid".... that's the same as when people said "just play rogue" during the landmine meta, or "just play warlock" when warlock was absolutely busted. It's not fun for anyone and transforming the game into Rogue and Roguer, Barb and Barber, Warlock and Warlocker and whatever flavor of the damn month IM creates is not the way to go...
@rml4474
16 күн бұрын
You forgot to add the insane amounts of damage from Bear/Panther form for a relatively small investment
@GravitasZero
16 күн бұрын
PS: forgot to add the quasi stealth with rat mode
@Duck4YouBabe
16 күн бұрын
@@GravitasZero he cant stealth anymore he does random noises now
@brennanorr2
16 күн бұрын
Rats arnt even a problem anymore ngl they easy to kill but the dream walk cooldown is way to short its stupid its like 5s on top when u get hit by the guy thats in dreamwalk and he cant be hit is just crazy dumb @@GravitasZero
@middleagepeasant2291
16 күн бұрын
Lmao it’s always funny to see people make paragraphs about how a mid b tier class is breaking the game. Druid is really powerfull at lower gear scores and skill levels. There’s a reason druids aren’t usually seen around 400 gs range. Not saying he isn’t strong but this isn’t a Druid meta at all. It’s closer to a ranger, fighter, bard, and barb meta than a Druid meta. Not even gonna mention cleric.
Your videos never miss but the editing on this one really made me laugh, great job Spuddy
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers mate, glad you dug it
"He's beginning to believe!" XD Banger of a fight, and another banger of a vid. Thank ya sir. Thank ya kindly.
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers mellow
Thanks as always for the content! Love it!
Great vid as always, top notch edits!
Adagio for Strings gives me PTSD flashbacks of Homeworld 1. Spud truly knows quality games
That was such a great setup for the duel.
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Super fun fight
Cleric definitely needs some adjustment, however if I HAD to pick a class to be the “strongest” I’d rather have it be cleric. Everyone hates me ranged metas, or landline metas, at the very least you can run away from a cleric. Ironmace seems to always leave a class as the best and with cleric at least kiting is an option.
@tano1670
16 күн бұрын
Until you meet a 320 MS cleric lmao
@oblivioneagle3464
16 күн бұрын
Mate you cant run away from a meta cleric, they will run your ass down with 300 - 320 move speed and 2 shot you lol, cant really run on goblin caves anyway unless you pre plan a route or kite in like the 1 big open room in the top left.
The clips and compilations are golden in this one 😄
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers mate
I've always just played whatever i felt like despite whatever meta there might be. There is always a path to victory, or at the very least, survival. That said, wizard is feeling pretty good in this "cleric meta".
@iimasheriiol222
16 күн бұрын
Long live wizard!
@Woodburnworks
14 күн бұрын
well said
love the content, well done!
The reverb at 9:00 chefs kiss
Great video as always Spud.
Getting into a lobby where a trio we fought was with 124 gear score but also had the most BIS demon gear double cleric really reminded me of when people score maxed before
9:00 is a piece of art JAJAJAJJAJAAJAJAJ
Amazing video loved the end!
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers
rat clip at the end had me dieing
Lmfao! Bro the ending got me good! xD that's probably my favorite moment of all your videos so far x'DDD. It was like I felt the fear in that rats eyes lmao I can't.
Sick video as always Spuddy boy
another spud banger lets gooo 🔥🔥🔥
Singing to the trapped rat in the corner made me laugh so hard. good video brother
great vid bro. this is honestly OCE, gaming and the past 15 years of suffering "metas".
Neverwinter music during the cleric fight is peak. Haven't heard it in years
@TheSpudHunter
Күн бұрын
Classic
The Stimpee level editing is great lol
Brilliant!
Your content is so underrated. ❤🔥
Bro your fucking edits this vid were fucking insane. Holy shit man, i felt like i was watching a movie! 😂 singing to the rat at the end was the best ending. Also, the bits showing how good the class can be and showing the faults, how can anyone complain on reddit now?😏
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Ty man
“you couldn’t handle it” is such a perfect response 😂
yesterday i've landed 22 shots with my epic surv bow on a cleric, he was 160 gear score, i was 300 like decent kit with 4 true damage. and guess what, ive been two shoted in the end of the fight. clearly balanced.
What an insane battle!
spud is the voice of reason and chaos in our lovely game. please keep it up mr spuddy
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Ty
The Dido edit got me good, just fix em!!! Keep up this awesome work mate well done.
This IS the content I've been missing in my life
That ending 😂
Probably my fav video so far...
Good vid n edits. Great points. Also rip twomad :(
You know what would make this game better? If everyone could revive themselves. Just kinda stand up. Make it like, idk - 5 revives per game? Something like that would really make the game a lot more interesting and fun for everyone
These are some stimpee music selections
I really like when you do that crazy laugh❤️
amazing content as always
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Ry
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Ty
that duel was great
Nice vid xx
dude that is a weird feeling i play DD only recently (250 hours in 2 weeks, having a full-time job lmao) so got this in recommended after i searched for some sh in YT and I enjoyed the content so hard, the dude is so entertaining, and edit, and stuff but idk why i will never come back here something doesnt work for me but props and GL to the Creator, that dude deserves much more than 30k subs especially with growth of DD and huge inflow of timmys like me, that channel will hit 100k by the end of the year and aim for millions in his lifetime
What's funny is I know how to fix the ladder situation. Look into what they did for ladders in Counter Strike.
Am happy everytime theres a new Spudhunter Dakka Dakka movie
love the stimpy vibes
I've said this before and I'll say it again. If this game had Mordhau's combat system, I could beat the sweatiest full gold barbarian or cleric in melee every time with a budget kit. If I had to hit a guy 10 times and they had to hit me only 2-3, I could still win if our difference in skill was even moderately far apart. Now I'm not saying Dark and Darker should have the exact same system as Mordhau. One it would be take a huge amount of time to implement and I'm not sure if a crazy high mechanical and game sense melee combat system like that might not be what players want to focus on. BUT, I think there are so many aspects that you could at least take lessons from to see why combat in a game like Mordhau works and this melee stat check type of combat doesn't. First off, having a reliable parry and the sort of turn system (I attack, you parry and attack, I parry and attack, etc) that Mordhau has would make it so anyone can win in a melee fight if they're skilled enough. Yes skill does come into play now, but if you put an average player in the best gear possible and set him against the best player possible in a starting kit, the average player is going to win every time, where as if you added that kind of stat disparity to Mordhau, I think the best player would still probably win. Second, giving people a reliable timed block against ranged attacks would help a lot with balancing them. Every time a ranged class's damage gets out of hand the whole meta just shifts from a melee stat check to an FPS shooter (I'm thinking back to some of the early playtests and possibly fighting on Ruins). But if other classes had easier ways to block or dodge hits, it wouldn't be as big a problem. Third, Mordhau's chase mechanic would really help reduce a lot of this extreme kiting. Don't get me wrong I try to kite people all the time, but I never really feel like big long chases are nearly as fun as actually standing and fighting with an enemy. In Mordhau, if you stare at an opponent's back for a few seconds, you gain a burst of movement speed, allowing you to always catch you're opponent after a short time (Varying depending on the initial speed of the two people). If you made changes to the combat system, and made it so melee wasn't more about stat checking then skill, then you could also afford for melee characters to catch up to range characters much more frequently. I've won so many duels in Mordhau when a fully armored player catches up to me as an archer, only to slowly chop them to pieces with my knife. They have a huge amount of effective HP and damage over me, but if I'm better then them I can kill them no problem. I'll end on this. Which weapon do people generally consider to be the most fun and have the highest skill ceiling? The Longsword. And which weapon is the closest match to Mordhau's combat system? The Longsword. Wouldn't it be better if we flushed out the longsword's mechanics a bit more and made more weapons like that?
@bingus549
7 күн бұрын
homie this is too much you gotta slim the arguement down
@franpschorr3646
6 күн бұрын
@@bingus549 No
"All around me are familiar faces...worn out places, worn out faces" Jab
Arena looking good!
You see, I heard this one quote from somewhere about a game. ‘Why go through the headache of balancing everything out when instead, you could make everything strong in their own way’
Enjoyed
Another certified hood classic
the legend
Honestly i dont mind slight swings in favour of classes as long as everyone gets their time in the sun. Except barbarians. After surviving the great barb and barber era, i dont think i have it in me to do that again
3:12 oh no the poor warlocks lmfao
the eyes of the mouse in the corner :*(
Spuddy is the GOAT!
that song at 8:00 is stimpy vibes
My exact response to the patch notes was the same thing Jay had. I complained about it and I main cleric and most people's response is "go play high roller"
what an epic fight against the cleric!
Spud are you certifiably best au
*video starts* *TANK MUSIC INTENSIFIES* Oh yeah, it's gonna be a good one
i see spuddy adapted to stimpee's choice of music
2:07 was fucking hilarious lol
It would be nice if the appearance of gear could be used to indicate how strong they are. In a game like Elden ring, you can see their armor and visual effects from buffs, in minecraft you can see gear material and if it's enchanted. It would be nice to have some indication as to whether or not I'll win a gear check.
bro for a sec i thought the rat guy at the end was playing the music ahahhaha he wasnt right?
Fucking appreciate the laughs every video. Phenomenal
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers
Love that NWN soundtrack
that song is fire lmao
I love your videos man i have a clip id love to share with you very similar to the ending clips 😂😂
faming timmies like to old good days
Spudhunter discusses RubberMallet still having ineffective schizophrenic balancing still episode 223
Melee hits through door windows don't work by the way so that first headshot on the cleric didn'T register
today was a good day
6:11 Why? Because he kicks at it and it's fun! That's why
I had to rewind to hear the lyrics at 1:30 lmao. Dido has changed man.
i like these vids
Yo spuddy, when playing druid, you can actually switch to panther and look up when going up ladders, I have found that the most successful way to climb them.
They really need to fix the fucking ladders.
Early acces Arena™ was epic !
where did you find that remix of dido - thank you
love the tears for fears reference
Amazing showcase of the current META :D Who knows, maybe the next balance patch will fix it all.
I used to play Barbarian like 9 months ago. Seeing where the game is at now, I don't wanna come back; it seems like there's no room for them anymore when everyone else is doing all this extra stuff
i do not play this game but i love your edit and soundtrack selection
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers
I don't even play Dark and Darker or any Extraction shooter. But I always love watching your videos.
@TheSpudHunter
16 күн бұрын
Cheers
Nice video stimpee
On the bright side of Cleric, it's a fairly easy fix for the class. Lower the base damage of Smite/Judgement, increase the scaling. This change alone would force Clerics to wear gear with built in Will and/or find armor with Will, forcing them to work toward those high damage and protection builds, much like Fighters have to.
@benlink202forever
15 күн бұрын
Most clerics actually avoid gear that has Will because True Magic Damage is just way better to have on your rolled slots.
@strang7739
14 күн бұрын
@@benlink202foreverthis is true but making the base worse and the scaling harder makes that less efficient
I love your vids man! I play cleric, new to DnD so when I saw how juiced we got I was laughing so hard but its broken, I agree and we shouldnt be doing more damage than a fighter while being able to have res available. I think we need to have trade offs in order to play damage cleric.
“Thinking will I suck another 24 💀”
Just when I think you can't get any dumber, you go and do something like this...AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF! Great vid o' Merciful One!
@TheSpudHunter
15 күн бұрын
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What is that song from the start?! I recognize it but cant put my finger on it.
Another banger, even though I dont think druid has right to be as powerful as it is, no matter the skill requirement. panther scaling is fucking insane rn