Watch the full debate here! iai.tv/video/the-medicine-myth?KZread&+comment&

@CrazyGaming-ig6qq

Жыл бұрын

Warning: it's behind a free trial / paywall.

childhood diseases have gone down for a variety of reasons - public health, sanitations, waste disposal, access to food etc

@laaaliiiluuu

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Medicine has not much to do with it but overall healthier life circumstances. But Big Pharma has a great marketing team ...

I find the tone of the last two speakers somewhat disturbing, especially in iight of the controversy about Midazoman and morphine being used to kill people during the Covid crisis. If i was an old person their discussion would make me very.... uncomfortable.

@Parasmunt

Жыл бұрын

I imagine the first guy is feeling increasingly nervous listening to the other two both of whom think people should not be kept alive too long. I do think Euthanasia is a dangerous field, especially when scientists weave in socio-economic factors and biases about 'Western privelege' and describe the elderly as parasitic. This talk unfortunately had both.

@StigFerrari

11 ай бұрын

Third leading cause of death in Canada is now euthenasia, displacing medical mistakes

Huh? "The response to Covid is a scientific miracle" Where's this lady been the last few years.

@cioran1754

8 ай бұрын

Shilling for pharma clearly

Lifespan increased due to hygiene, clean water and nutrition, rather than ‘vaxines’ or BigPharma, I believe

@cioran1754

8 ай бұрын

Not according to pzifer lady

@sharpie6888

8 ай бұрын

Vaccine had a huge impact

@cioran1754

8 ай бұрын

@sharpie6888 mortality / morbidity from the majority of infectious diseases had declined rapidly from the late 19th into the middle of the 20th, and they were having a minor / decreasing impact on population health, due to milder forms for one ( see smallpox) , before the various vaccines got introduced, you can look this data up fairly easily if you like, the data does not support a 'huge' impact on health. So a minscule impact at best, and no proper RCTs to show real world efficacy, or comparisons to saline placebo for safety, or monitoring for potential AEs. This is hersey to declare this of course.

The title & the thumbnail doesn’t match the discussion, which is mostly about lifespan and healthspan and chronic diseases (only) of the old people. The speakers (excepting Noble) mostly present the mythology of medicine, including the whiggish position about progress. They touch some sociocultural, economic and philosophical aspects of the big picture, but they are specialists in the small picture (lab). Ask some philosophers, social scientists, historians and others. You have a video with philosopher of medicine Jacob Stegenga (Is Our Trust In Medicine Mistaken? on yt / Medicine's Mistakes on iai).

Nessa Carey is entirely clueless. Amazingly so.

@MyMy-tv7fd

Жыл бұрын

dangerously clueless

@omodiagbedominicedeoghon4607

Жыл бұрын

Either clueless or deceitful and evil.

@cioran1754

8 ай бұрын

Or all three

Certainly there are conditions of pain I would not want to live in until I were 95 years old, but if I could hold only one memory of an experience of music for 1,000 years, without excruciating pain, I would want to do so. And to use the class divide as an argument against that prolongation of human life is kind of obscene. We need to address the fact that 800 million people are living on the edge of starvation *in any event*, and don't you think the underclass would like to live longer too? The universe is billions of years old; the longer we can live, I'd say, the more beautiful.

From May 2011 until July 2014 Nessa Carey was Senior Director in External Research and Development Innovation at Pfizer! Now it's fully understandable where her rethorics comes from. The only and truly A Scientist here is Denis Noble. Others are just tools of the corporate machine with degrees.

@terencefield3204

11 ай бұрын

Indeed. I also suspect the specific rules of intervention and life length maximisation she would apply to herself would be very different to those she invokes in her dismal middle-ages attitude. And she knows little of economics, and her social polemics are silly.

@kessu83

8 ай бұрын

makes sense

When did scientists stop thinking? There have always been 80 and 90 year old people. She’s right about fewer child deaths but that’s more because of better child birthing practices. We live beyond our reproductive capacity because the human species is a super organism which must have wise individuals with experience who can properly hand the wold over to the inexperienced. The idea that we’re only supposed live until our uterus falls out is just dumb. Is she saying that woman should die at 40 and men can go on living till 90? Not a very deep think person.

@StigFerrari

11 ай бұрын

Even the NIH attributed longer health spans to clean water, sanitation, and nutrition, rather than the 70+ jabs they mandate for school kids in the USA.

@1984Kojot

11 ай бұрын

@@StigFerrari 100% truth after IIWW economy was basically dead in my country many children died because lack of proper heating in the house. Night could be very, very cold to the point that windows were frozen from the inside also grandmother had 7 children so overall care was very poor quality. Noone cared that much for children back in the days.

@Pitolek1993

10 ай бұрын

Yah sure, its not like we keep seeing diseases deemed practically erased pop up im first world countries cos some dum dums decided that one guy faking his research is enough not to vaccinate his kids.

@readynowforever3676

9 ай бұрын

@@StigFerrari”70 plus jabs”. People like you are so ungrateful for what our species has been and to do at the biochemical level, that you result hyperbolic sophistry.

@readynowforever3676

9 ай бұрын

@@1984KojotIs that the best scientific data you can offer ?

I like Noble he is genius! 👌

I think the lady needs to check her facts regarding the 'miracle of the covid vaccine'.

@maddiesilina3833

Жыл бұрын

Are you a doctor? Check your facts!

@SuperRobinjames

Жыл бұрын

@@maddiesilina3833 only doctor's can talk with authority? Lol

@maddiesilina3833

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperRobinjames about health yes! If you are not a doctor you just have a opinion about vaccines, but no understanding. That’s the difference between people who are doctors and people who are not.

@SuperRobinjames

Жыл бұрын

@@maddiesilina3833 I think you will find that people.without a medical degree are perfectly capable of study,, your appeal to authority carries no weight.

@maddiesilina3833

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperRobinjames I agree that people are able to study. But there is a difference between a student, a doctor and a person with an opinion about medicine.

Praising the wonders of the jabs. How am I not surprised?

This segment was cherry picked for the political agenda pushed by the second speaker.

@Parasmunt

10 ай бұрын

The first speaker was like the antithesis of the second speaker, he devoted his career to developing cardiac technology to help people live longer.

We shouldn’t treat our parents worse than our pets ! Why do we continue to force our loved ones to endure the hell of dementia, painful and debilitating illnesses etc that we wouldn’t expect any nonhuman animal to endure. Are human beings worth less ? The right to die is a fundamental human right.

Watching this reduces life span in that it discourages the will to live.

Statins and vaccinations? Are you kidding?

The fact when a more develloped culture could reach a longer lifespan, it would be inappropiate regarding low income countries makes no sence at all. This is politicizing abstract science. A weird way of thinking.

its not increasing life expectancy as a maximum. It is an average. Longevity has not increased. The average has changed. So, you chances of living to be 80 have increased your chances of living to 120 years has not.

Choose a plant-based whole foods diet :)

Paraphrasing the Geek woman, 'If you believe in the science you're gonnadye'. The key to immortality is ever closer....

whenever you hear someone say the word science 2-3 times in one sentence be cautious about that person and what they are trying to sell

live forever is impossible. Statistically you will eventually be in a fatal accident that you cannot recover from. Question, is a risk based question.

A bit of a non PC start from Prof. Noble

All problems are soluble - including death

He missed shaving some of his moustache 😆

@birdman4274

Жыл бұрын

I think it's a new trend 🤣

Is it the woman talking or an AI with pre-programmed answers based on today's trends?

Nessa Carey is dangerously wrong about just about everything!

This IaI thing is really good at missing the mark huh…

These speakers are brilliant. Shame most of the talk is behind a paywall.

@notu1529

Жыл бұрын

capitalism baby

@pot-8-o564

Жыл бұрын

​@@notu1529 Yes, everything should be free. These people obviously dont need money. Why should YOU have have to pay for this? These people should obviously respect your money and use their free time to give YOU information so that YOU dont have to spend any money at all.

@pot-8-o564

Жыл бұрын

Yes, everything should be free. These people obviously dont need money. Why should YOU have have to pay for this? These people should obviously respect your money and use their free time to give YOU information so that YOU dont have to spend any money at all.

@notu1529

Жыл бұрын

knowledge for collective intelligence should be free. same goes to healthcare and other fundamental needs for wellbeing. your simple mind only sees this in a simple light. you should already know what I'm talking about without me having to spoon-feed you. if your mind is simple, your will judgment is also simple.

@pot-8-o564

Жыл бұрын

@@notu1529 Well, where i grew up healthcare and public education is free, and it is notoriously shitty, simply because nothing of good quality is free in reality. If this platform on youtube was free, no wise person would accept the invitation, people live lives you know? do you even know how money works? Money is time and energy, it cannot be free, it takes hard work.

Why strive to extend our lifespans when we don’t value our elderly. We cannot live on indefinitely whilst we continue to breed indefinitely - we have to allow room for the next generation. The price of immortality is sterility. The planet can’t sustain our numbers as it is !

Life is given. Not for us to take. Assisted dying is diabolical and should be treated as such by repulsive rejection.

@lenny7053

15 күн бұрын

Why force humans to suffer needlessly when we don’t do it to our pets. Do we love humans less ?

@mr.q8426

14 күн бұрын

@@lenny7053 "force humans to suffer needlessly" is an objectively wrong moral stance. You know it. I know it. I am not advocating it! I am advocating appreciation of time and humbleness of ourselves. And at all cost we should avoid causing a potential situation where death is an option to consider. Death is in fact the very lack of options.

the geek hasnt any knowlede on molecular biology ,you can also reverse ageing look at sinclairs work, ai will help enormously but in the end we are doomed from heat death the universe will be extinguished

Geek gave the ideokogical talk...not very scientific..

'There is aging in animals' ....when in discovery channels one can actually see lions age .

So she is worried about people in the First world living too long, she thinks that is not 'fair'.

@maddiesilina3833

Жыл бұрын

?

@Parasmunt

Жыл бұрын

@@maddiesilina3833 'Health inequality means the most damaging people would be alive longer and longer to do more damage and create greater problems for the have nots' If she had been talking previously about the possibility of Rupert Murdoch living to 200 i might see her point but she was talking about Western elderly in general 'and we are already the ones driving destruction of the planet'.

@CrazyGaming-ig6qq

Жыл бұрын

She pretty much draw a proportionate line between the lifespan of white people and the suffering of everyone else. The unspoken conclusion that she didnt outright utter is: better for the world if all the whiteys perished.