I feel like gradually, we are seeing a shift in culture AWAY from nihilism. this movie represents this as one of the first big artistic "attacks" on those ideas. I think that culturally, we are getting tired of the endless "nothing matters" nonsense in media (which is the one thing that truly doesn't matter) and we might finally beginning to move forward again. Weather out of spite, love, kindness, stoicism or naivety. Yes life is suffering. Yes we all die. but you know what? we are alive right now god damn it and it's fucking stupid to disregard all the friends, family, hobbies, stories, adventures, struggles, problems, and our love as "nothing". Reject "nothing matters" embrace "it matters to me damnit"

@Kriegter

2 жыл бұрын

People are getting to caught up trying to figure out the meaning of life when they don't understand that the answer has always been in front of them - the act of simply living life.

@cinemint

2 жыл бұрын

Of course... then comes the question, "Why do /you/ matter?"

@poyobotyahoo7494

2 жыл бұрын

@@cinemint I dunno. But I guess I value myself. And I know others do too. That's good enough for me

@cinemint

2 жыл бұрын

@@poyobotyahoo7494 man, it seems like nihilism is the only conclusion you can come to unless you just "settle" at some point along the trail of logic

@Kriegter

2 жыл бұрын

@@cinemint even if the answer is "you don't" the proper response would be "I didn't ask" or "who gives a fuck" and continue living to the fullest just because life is a one time opportunity that you shouldn't waste on feeling and doing nothing.

"When I choose to see the good side of things, I'm not being naive. It is strategic and necessary." IMO, this is one of the best movie lines I've seen.

I love how films give you the opportunity to say things like "Will Evelyn sink into the nihilistic bagel of nothingness" without the slightest hint of joking or sarcasm

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.zx

@filmandfirearms

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 Your situation in life isn't a gamble. You are born into the version of the world that your parents created, for better or worse. You are who you are today because of all of your experiences, good and bad, and because of every choice you've ever made, good and bad. It isn't at all random, like you say. That's why I and many others want to have kids, because we can choose how to raise them, and in doing so, we can help make the world a better place even after we're dead, in ways we won't even be able to predict. For example, Jack Churchill. 16th century English Lord, didn't do much with his life apart from some decent military service. However, his descendant, more than 300 years after his death, was Winston Churchill, the man who saved Britain from Hitler and arguably was one of the two men whose combined efforts saved the world from Nazi occupation. The other being Georgy Zhukov. Without those two men each leading their respective country through the war, Britain and Russia would've both fallen, as Germany would've been able to crush one before focusing all of its might on the other. If Jack Churchill had never had children, Chamberlain would've led Britain through the war and they would've become a German puppet. The saying "children are the future" is cliche, but very accurate. Even the greatest man on earth, whoever you believe that to be, will die eventually. Through our children, we can ensure that our best qualities as a species carry on to the future

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@filmandfirearms So because a minuscule group of people had find meaning despite "horrific circumstances" we should continue imposing life to being that had no chose in their decision? how is denying the opportunity to someone that is not born? The very fact of giving it value and meaning enters into a circular reasoning 1) That there is no value or meaning in existence but what we impute as (human beings). 2) That the standard of value by which we impute meaning and value is life itself. Someone who does not yet exist could not give value to life In the same sense that parents who have, for example, 4 children cannot have love for the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th child that they did not have. Or that you couldn't miss the 3rd Uncle that didn't exist or the fifth brother that you don't have.sg

@RagingMonkey03

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 nothing matters if nothing is ok But then it’s put there to be cared about and cared for you don’t exist until you do I didn’t care about you until I saw your name and comments little things matter but you existed even before I saw it I didn’t just create ya It’s really not that deep of the parents as baby 5,6, and 7 they would care if it’s hypothetical that’s all it is to me there’s a thought and a chance but no action brings nothing If nothing matters then why live your not going to do anything in my mind that’s the same as being dead even the animals of basic needs hunt for food to live ,bring offspring due to attraction, now cared because it came from them that’s you know they exist they do. Now we just have awareness and question why we do it Why do you exist do you want to it. Can’t be that “horrible “ if your spreading this comment. That is existence to me simply some saying something and how these action affect whether negative or positive brings the good and bad it’s combination of the two. It’s the simple cheesy “life is what you make it”. SORRY IF I DEFERRED FROM YOUR POINTI THINK I DID WHAT YOU CALL A RANT IN THE COMMENTS.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@RagingMonkey03 you try to flip but anyway and the question stands Why bring new souls to the world? even if you believe a religion is true, if you actually believe in god you are accepting a god that will be sending most mankind to the worst possible torture for eternity in hell, but at the same time the same god tell you "reproduce" so either way you are damned if you do on if you don´t, this is on your religion it is god who created hell with foreknowledge that people will end in eternal pain and either way you say it doesn´t matter so why insist on damning more souls to hell when you could use some control and think in the consequences of your actions, you say be faithful but to what to eternal torture, to a millions and billons of years in pain in hell just for being born for your selfishness think about that on your own children..

Fun fact: the actor who plays the father also played ''Short Round'' in Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom.

@donitondarrison5899

2 жыл бұрын

the very first line he spoke, I was like "I know that voice, can it be ?", yap sure was.

@mrbigglezworth42

2 жыл бұрын

Now that he's older, would he go by "Big Round"?

@Strideo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrbigglezworth42 Tall Round

@joshvanv5281

2 жыл бұрын

I thought i recognized his voice

@jrhoadley

2 жыл бұрын

Also "Data" in "the Goonies."

Totally destroyed to hear this series is ending. It's done so much to put these stories being told in context and to personally maintain optimism against increasingly bleak conversations from all angles To whatever comes next: 加油!

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.2

@KingofDrama1

2 жыл бұрын

I like this series a lot too, sad to hear it ends

I climbed a mountain to find a guru on top. I asked him the meaning of life. He said "If I knew that do you think I would be freezing my ass off on top of this mountain"?

@treekid7455

2 жыл бұрын

it may not have been the meaning of life youre looking for, but freezing his balls off was his purpose in life

@MisterManTheBestMan

2 жыл бұрын

I met a wiseman on a mountain top and then I asked him what's the secret knock the people down below, we all wanna know- how to play the game of life before we got to go.

This movie also shows how even the simplest and most unremarkable events should be cherished as life changing memories. Not only is this shown in a literal sense but it also presents how if you experience everything you feel nothing. It teaches the viewer to value the most mundane moments in life specially with close ones, as you won't know how much you value something until it's gone. In other words, don't take life for granted, value every second and take the opportunity before you regret it.

@soulfuzz368

2 жыл бұрын

Gratitude is like a superpower

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.rg

@RagingMonkey03

2 жыл бұрын

To say your condemning someone to a horrible existence sounds pretty ass in my head

My girlfriend didn't get why I was crying during the whole third act of the movie. I told her that for some part of my life I truly believed that there was no meaning to anything, and that that only changed when I met her. Love gave me meaning.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.2

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 Your spamming the same comment whether is applies to someone's post or not is annoying af. Stop being an a-hole.

@weeveferrelaine6973

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 I think a lot of that misunderstanding stems from the perspective that children are beholden to their parents, and that they owe their parents any care or respect. Rather, I think that it is the willing choice of the parents to have the kids, and so the responsibility of the parents to provide a meaningful and fulfilling life for their kids- most of which is to be done through teaching them how to interact with the different parts of life in a healthy manner. If you have that perspective, then the children aren't forced to live a life that is cruel against their will- The parents made a choice to have children, and so if the children have a poor life, it's the failure and cruelty of the parents, rather than the fault of "life lottery", in almost all cases. Things can of course go wrong, but a major part of parenting is teaching kids how to make it past the things that go wrong, and to still enjoy the life that happens during all of their goals, setbacks, and achievements. Much more than our circumstances, our mentality affects whether we suffer through life, or enjoy it. I'm sure people struggling with depression can relate to having days that go almost perfectly, only to still feel alone and sad still. Or people with great struggles, but positive mentality thinking that life is fulfilling for them.

Final Fantasy 14 touches on how nihilism destroys people. The conclusion the game comes to is that one must continue to struggle to find meaning in life. This was contained in one of the most elegant lines I have ever read. “Walk Free” Meaning while some may have the ability to fly freely over all obstacles this can lead to nihilism as nothing seems to matter. However when one must climb the mountain the individual gains meaning through their effort. They walk so they remain free.

@awakenow7147

2 жыл бұрын

Final Fantasy has been fighting nihilism since the dawn of it's creation.

@00Rennah

2 жыл бұрын

Endwalkers really went deep into this, it was the last thing I was expecting from a MMO, it's left a mark that is not going to vanish anytime soon.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@awakenow7147 I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.

@dominicteoh9475

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 As exemplified by this movie, life is worth living in spite of suffering. There are plenty of people in the present and past who have lived through horrific circumstances, yet still had meaningful lives. Viktor Frankl, Nick Vujicic, Solomon Northup, etc. So if they can live meaningful lives despite the suffering and oppression they experienced, then anyone else can too, so there is no reason to deny that opportunity to the next generation of people.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

​@@dominicteoh9475 So because a minuscule group of people had find meaning despite "horrific circumstances" we should continue imposing life to being that had no chose in their decision? how is denying the opportunity to someone that is not born? The very fact of giving it value and meaning enters into a circular reasoning 1) That there is no value or meaning in existence but what we impute as (human beings). 2) That the standard of value by which we impute meaning and value is life itself. Someone who does not yet exist could not give value to life In the same sense that parents who have, for example, 4 children cannot have love for the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th child that they did not have. Or that you couldn't miss the 3rd Uncle that didn't exist or the fifth brother that you don't have.

I agree that we can choose meaning and choose good without requiring religion, but I also contend that a good religion can make those choices easier and more meaningful.

@Thanatos2996

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but if you're not convinced of the religion's supernatural claims, it's not going to do much for you beyond provide some interesting perspectives or maybe some good advice from the cumulative wisdom of its texts and traditions. If you're religious, more power to you, but if you aren't able to believe the basis for the religion then it isn't really a viable option as a basis for meaning.

@CowCommando

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thanatos2996 hence the use of the phrasing "can make those choices easier" instead of "will make...", and how I specified a "good religion." I hoped people woul realize I meant a synergy between choosing good and a good religion. I do appreciate your clarification.

@t.k.5844

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Blind faith is something I seem incapable of, as doubt is such an integral part of my being (fitting as I share a name with a certain doubting apostle). But I recognize the good in faith, in my case the Christian faith of my family and ancestors even though by the time I was born my parents were no longing practising. It's not merely a religion but a tangible link to my heritage and culture, a blueprint with helpful advice to be a kind, loving person. I may not *believe* with certainty there is a God, but I *want* there to be one. At the end of the day it is a tremendous comfort to know that through all the suffering of life there is a light in the darkness. From my own personal experience I find the actions of those who callously and condescendingly try to tear that comfort away from others to be incredibly selfish.

@isaacsanford6340

2 жыл бұрын

I would contend instead that some people need religion in order to make it easier for them, but I don't believe it should be easy. If it works, use it, but don't forget that you gave up on a personal god in exchange for the tribe's god.

@thomaskidd8027

2 жыл бұрын

I'd go so far as to say you can find temporary meaning, like doing your job well, being a good father, etc., but you can only find an ultimate meaning through faith. If your temporary meaning isn't supported by an ultimate meaning, if you end up in the void of nonexistence (as well as all the people you've helped) then there cannot be a real meaning to life, or any reason to continue it

The real Multiverse of Madness

A new Out of Frame episode day was always a good day. Feeling kind of sad the series is ending, but at the same time grateful for each and every one of the episodes. It was a lovely ride. Good luck and always be kind.

Y’know, I recently rewatched the DC animated movie Crisis on Two Earths, and all this talk about Nihilism reminds me of a quote from that movie I really like. “There is one difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us, you blinked.” The line is Batman’s, and it’s impactful because he says it to Owlman, an evil alternate version of Batman who believes that the only meaningful thing to do is kill everything. Owlman is the ultimate Nihilist, who believes that nothing matters so much that he isn’t even angry or disappointed or scared when he dies. Batman on the other hand, is anything but.

Congratulations on an excellent body of work. Your talents on FEE will be missed.

This reminds me of hearing something like how being spoiled is losing one's sense of gratitude and sense of wonder, and how that is to be pitied rather than resented.

Enjoyed your video. The next step and "escape" of Nihilism is Existentialism. For the narrator, there is no ultimate "meaning" since for him there is no God, only individual small "meanings" that bring him happiness, joy etc. In reality, without a transcendent God, even small "meaningful" moments end up being truly meaningless. Because we are much more than life on this Earth. Life continues on.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

That's not true. It's not just "small" meanings. The fact that we're alive at all and capable of consciously experiencing the magic of life in the vastness of the universe is incredibly powerful. I see myself as a part of a great chain of existence that is infinitely bigger than myself. I've never needed God to see that, nor does my atheism get in the way of feeling the kind of humility and awe that comes from understanding how small and precious we are in context of that immense natural power.

@stillbuyvhs

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline Problem: an "immense natural power" is one possible definition of god. That does leave a few questions, like "Is there a personal god?" Or "Is god separate from the universe?" But for me that definition makes atheism impossible.

Honestly, I love this film so much because it perfectly resembles how I feel. I’ve suffered too, just like everyone else. From being bullied in school, struggling financially, leaving my family to live in an unknown city by myself, loneliness, being discriminated against and attacked because of my race. But thinking about what I suffered throughout life made me realize that I’m glad that i suffered. I’m glad that I was able to experience these pains than never experiencing them at all. Maybe I’m a masochist, idk. But what I do know, is that without all that suffering, I wouldn’t know what it feels to appreciate. Now all I want is to experience everything I can as there is still things that I haven’t been able to experience. The meaning of life to my current self is to experience, to live.

@alexcat6685

Жыл бұрын

Suffering shouldn't be forced though, it should be a cost wanting the most or best of the life you have, some pains should be a result of life not you, you shouldn't cause sufferinu you should try reduce pain as much as possible. As theres already enough as there is. Just as its impossible to rid the world of pain, its impossible to rid the world of happiness, if theres no happiness pain can't really exist as theres nothing to give it much meaning or weight, without pain you can't get or appreciate the value of life. Its Ironic that being comfortible with death allows to Live.

I must be on the internet for too long, because one second or so after the opener of the video I said out loud "It's one of life's greatest mysteries, isn't it? Why _are_ we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic convenience, or is there really a God watching everything? You know, with a plan for us and stuff. I don't know man, but it keeps me up at night."

@abelcheng2073

2 жыл бұрын

"What? I mean why are we here, in this canyon?"

@gregorybatz7297

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, Griff and Simmons. A classic.

I came across nihilism fairly young, but I never got a "nothing matters" message from it. I looked at the world, realized it was indeed all by happenstance, but also that there had never been anything like it before, nor would there be after; every breath, every grain of sand, every smile, is both an immediate shift in reality and the exact consequence of millions of fated shifts that came before because, in an infinite multiverse, fate and choice become one. It was never "nothing matters" It was "if nothing matters, anything can matter." And as it turns out, Everything does.

@robertlustmord1636

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you. Unfortunately, I can't say the same to the majority of people I know and 'knew' who dealt with the same kind of things.

@lukelandis3090

2 жыл бұрын

Tell me you’re an Anti-Nihilist without telling me you’re an Anti-Nihilist. (;

@mmyr8ado.360

Жыл бұрын

When you see the chaos that is the world is but comprised of thousands upon thousands of order and meaning, it seems easy to be lost in all things and lose meaning in the process.

Great video, great movie. I remember being impressed with the movie because there were many interpretations that were possible. You covered the nihilism angle very well, but there was another theme touching on the growing divisiveness in our society. But for me, because of what's happening in my life right now, I saw a story about how young adults in crisis can permanently reject their parents if their parents don't work hard to maintain the relationship. Even when *they* don't want to. *Especially* when they don't want to.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.45

The film's exploration of the pursuit of meaning is truly excellent.

Dude! You have gotten SO good at this! I really look forward to your essays and watch the movie's you'll be referencing. I'm crushed that you are ending it. Pass the torch at least?

This was a beautiful video I needed to see. Birthday tomorrow, perfect timing for this gem of a video. Thank you!

You will be missed on the tubes. Thank you for the beautiful videos.

Thank you for all of your hard work and lessons you have taught me. It feels like so many of these episodes come out right when I needed it, especially this one. All good things must come to an end, but many more will come in their place. I wish you the best of luck and thanks again for everything.

1:08, Adams’s sequel The Restaurant at the End of the Universe revealed that the Question to which 42 was the answer was “What do you get when you multiply five by nine?”

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

5 x 9 is 45, so no, it wasn't that. Pretty sure they thought it was 6 x 7 and dismissed it for some reason.

@sdrchannel576

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the funniest thing is that the line from Abraham to Jesus Christ adds up to 42. God has a great sense of humor.

@matityaloran9157

2 жыл бұрын

@@lainiwakura1776 That’s the joke. The fact the product of that equation isn’t actually 42.

As a person of faith, I agree with you, you can find meaning in life even if you don't believe in a higher power. Think about it, what a miracle it is that out of billions of planets and solar systems, in this vast universe filled with "nothing", life happened on our beautiful Earth. How wonderful it is. There may be life out there (and I believe there is), but we have yet to find it. For now, it is just us on this bouncing ball in the void of the universe. And not only are we the lucky ones, but how lucky are we that out of all possible life on Earth, we were born humans. Now I'm gonna go give this movie a shot. I wasn't really interested in it until this video 😛 Also, this video reminded me of one of my favorite songs, "The Riddle" by Five for Fighting, I think it touches on the same question, what's the meaning of life.

@soulfuzz368

2 жыл бұрын

I think everyone has a higher power, some just don’t directly acknowledge what it is.

In order for life to have meaning, it is important to acknowledge that there is no objective meaning, which frees us to create our own meaning. Nihilism is the end state of those unable to move past the realization that there is no objective meaning.

I waited to watch this until I saw the movie which I watched today. Thank you for so effectively putting into words the thoughts I had from watching this movie. It was an excellent work of art expressing what you have put into words. Hope to see your work in the future Sean. You did great work on this series.

Thank you for all your great work and all the great vids :) Gl and hf with your new projects and future :)

Wonderful video man! Thank you!

For me there are two amazing things about this film. One is Michelle Yeoh’s performance which is a million miles away from her in real life. Fragile, lacking confidence, inept, serious, frightened. You would never associate any of these things with the badasses she is used to playing. And two is Ke Huy Quan who steals the film from her AND YET does not diminish her amazing performance. How is that possible? They are incredible in this and add to that the simple themes (I call it “Monty Python presents Its a Wonderful Multiverse Life”) and you have a film that will endure for decades. No sequels, please.

I absolutely love your Out Of Frame videos

Thank you for covering this film, and best of luck with your future endeavours

I actually think separating nihilism into pessimistic nihilist and optimistic nihilism is the way to go here. Nihilists of both sides of the coin know that the universe doesn't care about anything, and there is no intrinsic meaning, but while pessimistic nihilists let that reality consume them and fill them with negativity, optimistic nihilists shrug their shoulders and say, "So what if the universe doesn't care anout us? We make our OWN meaning." and in effect they seem like they aren't nihilist at all, except just like the pessimistic ones, they accept that the universe doesn't care, but they don't let it bring them down or change how they act. Because in the end, does it really change anything? We exist, we live, and we can find hope and love in that existence if we just embrace the moment. Intrinsic meaning need not apply.

@robnaugle4149

2 жыл бұрын

I could be wrong but that split between the pessimistic\optimistic sides of nihilism is how I interpreted "the middle way" in Buddhism. The middle way is the path between nihilism and essentialism where you acknowledge both the objective meaninglessness of the world and your ability for you\your life to have subjective meaning.

It’s not very romantic but we are here to improve, grow and thrive. That’s why all living things are here. That’s why social systems that impede this process. Like socialism. Are anti life.

@AleksandarIvanov69

2 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day, if the fact that nothing is perfect deeply bothers you and you are ready to sacrifice anything or any one for even the illusion of perfection, you have a serious serious problem... True happiness seems to be, being ok with almost nothing being ok and yet being able to function🙂

@iansteenblock5010

Жыл бұрын

Lol gtfo socialism allows us to break free of the economic constraints on nearly everyone but the richest of the rich, which allows us to improve, grow, and thrive

@DigitalDuelist

Жыл бұрын

I admire your certainty in that simplicity. Unlike you the more I learn the less certain I am about anything concerning reality but own subjective exp

Existentialism is a type of nihilism. They both assume there is no objective truth or meaning to existence, existentialism just takes it a step further and says you can create your own subjective meaning. The example in the film as you point out is Waymond. It's a good example on the surface, until you realize Waymond did actually abandon hope in the face of adversity--he was threatening divorce because it was too much for him. Philosophies that answer hard questions don't exist to help you get through the good times--we don't need help with that, we enjoy it. Philosophies exist to help you get through the bad times; and existentialism is the flower, but nihilism is the root. Existentialism won't see you through hard times. Soul searching isn't comfortable, but if you really like thought experiments here's one: you find meaning in your work? What if you met with an accident and was no longer able to work? No longer able to contribute to humanity's progress, would you still have value? Would your life still have meaning? Why? This type of thinking also means there will always be humans who hold no meaning to you, people you will deem worthless, even if you like entertaining the idea that all lives have meaning. If there isn't a single thing that encompasses all human beings to say we have value and meaning, then there will always be those who should just die, and make way for the valuable people (I don't believe this, I'm just following the logic). Existentialism is the ultimate in ignoring the problem by distracting yourself with good things without stopping to ask why they are good. It works for a time, but only in a prosperous culture without too many pressing issues. Best case scenario you live happy and distracted, then lie there on your deathbed, comfortless and with nothing to look forward to, waiting for it all to end, and you wind back up where you started--nihilism. Reading that back, it sounds kinda depressing, but there's a reason religion has been around thousands of years, and these new philosophies pop up for a while, then fade away. Do some research into countries that don't permit religious missionary visas--government policies aside, they are often the most receptive to religious ideas. The idea that suffering is the meaning of life is found in Judaism, Christianity, and I think Buddhism--and it's not something Victor Frankl chose, it was a revelation. Interesting that you use a religious person as a real-world example.

One thing people mention to forget is the truly good character of the husband. He’s really decent, righteous, kind, respectful and hopeful regardless of all the hustles they face. He really has the best dialogue in the entire movie. We could really use people like him today. Let’s try to be like him amigos.

You touched on all the things I was considering while watching the movie. It was definitely one of the coolest and most surprising movie-going experiences and you captured that very well!

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.124

Thanks, hope to check out this movie one day. Wish you all the best with your new job.

At least we can agree on one thing: the IRS sucks.

@thanatosdriver1938

2 жыл бұрын

I think this movie showed the irs in a very sympathetic light or at least it’s best agent

I always thought "life is meaningless" is self-refuting. The second you use the word "is" you're ascribing meaning to something. True nihilism must be necessarily pure, incoherent chaos. You can't even use words, because they have meaning, or at least by using words you're implying they do. You can't even think.

Yes! Another movie to add to my watch list! It seems like my cup of tea! Thanks so much for this video!

Basically, by thinking that nothing matters and that morality is a lie, we could all become Jobu Tupaki. Plus as it turns out, your dislike of nihilism comes from a sense of hopefulness and that everyone deserves a chance to persevere despite the odds. We humans are adaptable so I hope this is a sign for a slow but meaningful change.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.hs

The point of Nihilism reminds me of an execution device that I read about in a book. I don't remember the book but maybe it was; 'The Phantom Tollbooth'. A narcist is placed into a machine powered by a sponge cake, that shows the person relating to the machine, then to the place the he is at, then the city, country and on and on until it shows the massive size of the universe. This is supposed to show how utterly insignificant one is and as a result they perish. But in the case of this character he steps out of the machine as happy as can be and he says; "In all the universe it was me that is pointed out!" He proceeds to eat the sponge cake as he happily goes his way.

@davidwit7749

2 жыл бұрын

It's the Total Perspective Vortex from one of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books.

So glad to see this. I found myself crying when Evelyn finally got to see why Waymond is the way he is. It's that kind of joy that we do get to experience and share that matters. As a Christian, myself, that's a truly great accomplishments: to remain joyful even in the toughest circumstances. To love others, even as they give themselves over to terrible livelihoods, because they too are made in God's image and loved. To continue moving forward, even as you see approaching pain, because it's necessary.

Do the meaning of Morbius next, please

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

The meme isn't even funny.

@shitmypants5275

2 жыл бұрын

Mere mortals would never understand the depth of Morbius

Man, this channel is so underrated.

"The universe is vast and we are so small. There is only one thing we can ever truly control. Whenever we are good or evil." Oma Desala

i’m sorry to hear you’re leaving the show, brother. yes, feel like i know you personally. you have influenced my thinking in unimaginable ways! i wish you the same sense of purpose in your next venture. thanks for your work, your time, your words and your thoughts. cg

We ourselves gives meaning to things. We define it. Nihilism is an easy escape from our own failures or mistakes, escape from confrontation with the responsibilities that inherently comes with giving meaning to our actions. Having meaning defines what's real in our minds. Like it was said in free guy "If sharing a coffee, sitting here with my freind is not real. Then I don't know what's real"

I have never thought I was gonna find a youtube channel with a philosophy that is basically a perfect fit with mine... Nice.

Nihilism is both true and self negating. That's the beauty of it. It burns the world of what came before and allows for existential narrative building. But it's very important to remember that Nihilism destroys nihilism as well. And this movie is not about choices and regrets but it's about talking to the people you have in your life and trying to understand them. The "bad guys" are the alpha universe lol

3:40, those IRS auditor awards look *exactly* the way I'd expect them to look. Painful.

It is our lot in life to suffer. A life lived not in pain hasn't been truly lived. But it is these moments of loss and hardship that put the joys of life and love in far sharper contrast. -Me, feeling philosophical Keep going no matter what, even when it seems impossible, if for no other reason than to spite those who think you can't. If you give up, they win. -Also me, but feeling cynical and paranoid I've only recently found this channel, and it makes me tremendously sad that I've only had such a short time before it's coming to a close. But in that short time Out of Frame has helped me work through a very dark time in my life, during my own search for meaning. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, and I know you'll bring the same deep insights you've kindly shared with us to whatever projects the future brings. In the customary farewell of a certain copper-based lifeform: I wish you Peace and long life....

This is perhaps my favorite film of the year so far, and Waymond is the hero and inspiration we really need...

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.sf

Wait... We're losing our Boi at FEE!?!? Nooooooooooooo!!! This is a series I always try and watch and show my family all the time! Big Sadge!

About halfway through the video and I just wanted to interject that I don't think Wesley's "Life is pain" quote is objectively nihilistic. It's entirely consistent with Christian theology. Life is pain because the world is a fallen place and it is through the death and resurrection of Christ we are given the grace and redemption to enter a perfect existence with God after we die.

@danpaddock7966

2 жыл бұрын

That said I am a big fan of Out Of Frame and I want to thank you for sharing such thoughtful and optimistic analysis of so many wonderful modern movies.

Something my mother told me when I was in my twenties, is that happiness is a choice.

For legitimate ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ to exist morality simply cannot be relative for this makes ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ vulnerable to mere caprice. Under such an ambivalent standard absolutely nothing is actually ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ rendering these terms utterly otiose; conveying a distinction without a difference.

Good one. Love it. Thanks! :)

I have had an awful day. I needed this

Really good video...

I believe there is real value in the mantra, "be kind." The movie (and many real people) cling to it for its protection against the madness of the abyss. They come to it through both desperation and an almost instinctual recognition that there is something fundamentally good in kindness. However, it can go no further than this vague sense. The movie argues for kindness with an emotional appeal and the claim that you'll (probably) be happier for it. The whole thing just makes me sad, because I absolutely believe there is real good in kindness. In fact, I believe we were made for love, and to be loved. This is our nature. This is our purpose. And in it, we find meaning, peace, and joy. However, rather than stumbling to this truth blindly, out of panic and vague intuition, I see them as easy and logical conclusions of my Christian faith. Enerything Everywhere All At Once argues for nihilism, and then fumbles a refutation that could not matter more.

While I agree about nihilism being a path to self-destruction (or at least self-stagnation), I think you are wrong about nihilism being the problem of current western culture. Yes, you right - even without appealing to some "higher power" people can find meaning in their lives. But that's exactly what leads to the problem - some people are so desperate to find meaning for their lives, that they can set most rediculous goals, based on most twisted ideas of good and evil. Take for example intersectionality - some people start to believe that their sacred mission is to "protect miniorities from oppressive white straight men", and they are ready not only to do most horrible things but they actively silence anyone who question their way of thinking and thus undermines their self-validation.

@williamchamberlain2263

2 ай бұрын

Found the straight white male

I'm scared to eat bagels lol.. Good episode I can personally relate to this concept where I feel I have to know where I want to be or have some predetermined destination before being able to follow through. This led me to constantly question myself, it's never a good feeling

The universe is information. We are organized information. In this relatively short age of mankind, as it is now, we recognize the order and look for the source. There is a right answer and we are not the only pieces on the board. "seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened"

Very good analysis! It reminds me of the video series "The Secret of Joy" on the Fuel Project KZread channel. He sets down characteristics of truly joyful people and shows how its the opposite of what one might think (hedonism) but instead it is in gratitude, fellowship, purposeful work, giving, awe, forgiveness, courage, stewardship, goodness (righteousness), and a few others - - but these are HARD! It seems counterproductive to give, work, and try hard things in order to gain joy. But he explains it (in his adorable Scottish accent) that the golden rule of joy is "pursue righteousness and you'll get happiness thrown in. Pursue happiness directly and you'll get neither righteousness nor happiness."

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.34

@tammesikkema5322

2 жыл бұрын

I like that phrase. Just like the Christian version: Aim at heaven (or if you prefer: a high ideal like righteousness and love), and you'll get earth (your material needs ect.) thrown in. Aim at earth, and you will get neither.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@tammesikkema5322 That has nothing to do of what Christianity teaches the only thing that matters is salvation

@tammesikkema5322

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 I know, I should have mentioned that the stuff in brackets are for non religious people. But the saying itself does apply to the salvation.

@tammesikkema5322

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.39886 Or at the very least the road to salvation.

It's not enough to find meaning from self or from others or even from things, you must find the right meaning before it finds you. Because when you take everything, and everyone including yourself away what is left is what matters. If that answer is nothing then you've failed, but if you find yourself in Jesus than and only then you have the right meaning.

really good video

Can we get an episode for princess bride

By the laws of physics; nothing should exist at all

I love the shape of the IRS award. Very apt.

If you ever feel nihilistic, just know that something/someone from above put your consciousness behind your eyes. God loves you And no I don't mean Jesus or Buddha or Abraham. I'm not religious, I'm agnostic. There's a god that created life, that's what I believe, but I don't know if we human captured him/her with our text. Maybe it's the meaning of my life, to figure that out.

"Why are we here?" Fuck if I know, but no reason =/= no purpose. Be the best person you can afford to be and leave an imprint on your community- you'll live through others forever.

I appreciate that you have found meaning in your life. My best friend was an atheist and we had many wonderful conversations together. For me, I would not be able to find life's meaning in something that can be taken away from me, like work. Call me needy but I need life's meaning to extend beyond my small existence. It gives me comfort that there exists something larger, grander and more intelligent than myself. I don't believe that He controls everything - I am a believer in individual free agency. I guess my belief is the exact opposite of the nihilist - the nihilist believes that nothing matters, that nothing has meaning. I believe that everything has meaning and value - even the suffering we must endure here.

good video. as usual, i don't agree with everything(or at least i think i don't, for now) said, but i do agree with some/most of it.

"Be kind." There's something very Mr. Rogers about that.

This is the first movie in years that I will buy. It was so good! Best multiverse story.

Excelente película.

talking Steven universe, Steven universe future ,Star vs the forces of evil, amphibia, the owl house , She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

And here I was thinking this movie was just a long form apology from a tiger mom...

I think over thinking in general is the problem. Nihilism is primarily brought in by seeing death as a negative thing. Which it isn't. That's the first misconception. Death is just a transition process from this existence to the next. It has been described as peaceful, cathartic, and relaxing by people that have done it. True nihilism would be having to live forever without being able to die. Talk about nothing mattering when you are alive for a billion years. That would be miserable.

@CactusCowboyDan

Жыл бұрын

A guy gets his legs and penis blown to pieces by a mine in Ukraine. He screams in agony and yells he wants to go home and cries for his mother before bleeding to death. His body gets taken to either a mass grave or put in an oven to be turned into either worm meat or ash. “Death is just a transition process from this existence to the next. It has been described as peaceful, cathartic, and relaxing by people who have done it” - your quote You don’t have much of a grip on reality do you? On a side note, how on earth do you know what people think of death after they have died?

Your error is believing that you still have emotion after you accept the truth nothing matters. You let go of your earthly bounds including your petty emotions. There is no depression, only truth. And your actions need not be destructive, that is an opinion of those who dislike nihilism

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

Find me one person in the history of the earth who has "let go of their earthly bounds including their petty emotions" and maybe you'd have a point. No such person has ever existed, and the people who may have come closest are probably monks... and even they don't succeed.

@VicAusTaxiTruckie

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline The Buddha

@VicAusTaxiTruckie

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline actually, a more practical answer would be anyone who has seriously contemplated sewer sise and then realised: if they are going to do it anyways, they get to live a life without consequences, because nothing matters. Plenty of people fit that description, they have no fear of death and thus lesser emotions do not affect them. Many of those have been and will be monsters, but some would be heroes because of it

I feel like this movie is the level of Doctorate, not easy to understand !!!

guy 1: i made a bagel one day. guy 2: what did you put on it? guy 1: 42

why are we here, it is one of life's great mysteries. Dexter Griff.

Sentience is the ability to abstract and conceptualize existence. Human beings are sapient. That is, we are aware that we are aware and are able to abstract, conceptualize and transcend ourselves.

@toolegittoquit_001

2 жыл бұрын

Cogito ergo sum

15:35 - The way that headline was written made my brain hurt.

You don’t need faith in the one true God to have meaning in life. But you do need Him to know if that meaning is good or bad.

My counter to this, as a Christian, is this: you are seriously undervaluing human life to assume that we are not eternal beings. We are not meant for the finite. The neverending desire to grow, expand, learn, thrive, survive...all of that has to come from somewhere. You say you get your worth from your work, but what happens if you lose your hands? What if you get a brain embolism and find that you can't communicate as well as you used to? What happens if you start stagnating in quality and nobody appreciates your work like they once used to? These are realities that occur for everyone. They come for us all. But yet we still do have worth. We are timeless. Eternal. It is never enough for a healthy and functional human being to just climb the mountain and be content...there has to be more mountains, more obstacles traversed, more adversity overcome. You run out of mountains, you struggle. You perish. We need the infinite. From my perspective, God meets that infinite desire. He is infinite AND eternal. And He wants a relationship with us so we can enjoy that eternity and infinity with Him who is those things. You will lie on your deathbed with regret in your heart, however small. You will wish you could have pursued the one that got away, the lucrative job opportunity that you mishandled, the friendship burned in part due to the mistakes you made, even the smallest of choices like being kind to someone you know you weren't kind to or tasting a certain food. There is NEVER enough life for us, and it shouldn't be. Not until we are home. For me, I will lie on my deathbed with a peace not many others know...a peace that my real life is beginning as soon as I close my eyes and get on home.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

Well, first of all, I think the fact that my life is finite actually makes me appreciate and value it all the more, and there are plenty of examples I could draw from religious history to showcase this point -- however, I'd also be the first to acknowledge that many atheists or anti-religious movements throughout history have been equally inhumane. But to your question about meaning in the face of adversity, the point I made in this video and have made elsewhere is that you have to find meaning in life. I think mostly this is done through cultivating a sense of gratitude and appreciation for all sorts of things. If I lose my hands, I will be sad for a while, but I will then find ways to do what I do without them. If nobody appreciates my work, I will hopefully remember the advice I've literally presented here many times on this series and get more creative and figure out how to make it more interesting to people again. If I get a brain embolism and can't communicate, I'm going to lean on my family and do what I can through them. There's no magic here. Part of living is accepting the risk of dying or eventually fading away. I accept that.

I liked the movie for the most part right up until the ending line where the mother says "nothing matters anyway." Which just collapses the entire movie right back to the start. Really disgusted me that they included that line when the entire film seemed to build up to refuting that statement. Sad to hear the show is coming to an end. This is one of my favorite series.

@alexander6304

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the scene was actually supposed to represent a different version of nihilism that Nietzsche actually supported. That if nothing matters, then something eventually will and you just have to find it.

@a.39886

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexander6304 I do agree on most points personally I have never struggled to face the harsh reality that actually nothing matters, I doesn´t mean that you are given a free ride to do whatever you like as I strongly believe the bonds we form with our family, friends, and fellow humans is enough to understand empathy, and the better life that you can have, however there is a strong point that I can´t understand, if you are born you condemn to experience this really and obviously some people with be blessed in the life lottery with a fantastic life but others will be condemn to a horrible existence, why in any sane mind would you bring more people have gamble their life's in a game they didn´t chose to participate. Human evolution has the desire of reproduction and it is understandable that this happen in animals that aren´t self-aware but why in the world do when you have the awareness.hah

@cortster12

2 жыл бұрын

That is just her discovering optimistic nihilism, which is the entire philosophy of the movie at the end. It’s finding your own meaning even though you believe nothing matters. That is the true message of the movie: the war between optimism and pessimism, and how both can be nihilists, but only one can be happy.

I'm gonna really miss these I hope I'll enjoy what's next😢😢😢

You are the universe experiencing itself subjectively, the purpose of life is to expand and be able to better perceive the universe. One of the easiest ways to expand life is through symbiosis. But ya, I can see how man made books and whatnot could lead people to confusion about it. "An impossibly large and unfeeling universe" Indeed, that is why the universe created you, to feel. What more importance could you want? Why is it that curiosity is one of our strongest desires, it drives us to explore distant lands, and atomic structures. Also, huge shocker, we innately feel good when we create stuff, might be a clue to what the "purpose of life" is. All these conclusions can be drawn from simply stopping, sitting down, and just watching life, no books, no priests, no prophets. You are bound to witness a lot of death, tragedy, and adversity. However every creature will fight till its dying breathe to continue creating more life. Hell even cockroaches can breed after decapitation.

👍 the big question

when i saw the chinese title of the movie, 《媽的多重宇宙》, i could see it in two meanings. one being "Mother's Multiverse", which makes so much sense. and the other one where 媽的 means the F word instead of Mother's, would make the title "Fucking Multiverse"...WHICH ALSO MAKES SENSE! i love it

W H A T out of frame is ending ?? That makes me want to sink into the nihilistic bagel of nothingness !! ;-; This show is just so good...and also the entierty of this channel...

I think nihilism is responsible for the pandemic of emotional depression and lack of direction in human beings.

I was looking forward to this one. I actually came away thinking EEAAO was a nihilistic movie. It didn't really propose any alternative philosophy. It just said we can survive that reality by caring for each other. I struggle to believe that finding a subjective meaning within ourselves will ever be enough. There's a reason most people on earth find religion. Humans naturally "look up" to find purpose. I think that is very important whether it's because we're evolutionarily inclined to do so, or because there is in fact a higher power.

@entropicpedro

2 жыл бұрын

But...all meaning is subjecti...you know what, nvm...

@williamchamberlain2263

2 ай бұрын

Ah - the movie said that there isn't a founding meaning, so it's up to each of us to construct one. Which people do find depressing, but only because they've been raised to think that there is and needs to be a 'meaning of life' as a hangover of having organised religion imposed on every aspect of life which _gave_ you a meaning of life to comply with. It's like being depressed that there's no 'meaning of work' now that there aren't any medieval trades guilds to slot you into. If instead you'd had primary school classes and cartoons that included aspects of making your own objectives and thinking what the consequences of those might be you'd now be emotionally ready for it as an adult.

@MrAwombat

2 ай бұрын

@@williamchamberlain2263 I can understand why some people think that way. However, the vast majority of people, despite how they are raised, have an intuition that objective truth and meaning exist. Maybe you would argue this, but I think objective meaning is inherently more satisfying and powerful than subjective meaning. I appreciate people who try to look on the bright side of life, but I don't think the EEAAO worldview will produce the type of world we want to see and it is ultimately empty.

Boom. Another bullseye. Very topical. Sad to hear you are somewhat done with FEE, Sean, but looking forward to what you will do next.