There's also the possibility that star kid was lying - keeping Shepard away from Destroy because they'd kill their friends and family.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

I've seen this take a few different times, but I don't really believe it's possible. It'd be a strange retcon for the devs to commit to, and I personally think that no canon ending will be chosen, based on things I've discussed in previous videos. But, I understand that a lot of fans feel strongly that a canon ending will be chosen and formulate their theories around that, which is completely fair.

@And_Rec

Ай бұрын

@@paragonseven not possible tho, the merge and control endings are impossible to not aknowledge... they separately happened or not how do you make a sequel with control? Free will is dead, and with merge you'll clearly see everyone is a cyborg

It would make sense that the Geth would try and find another galaxy to call home. Legion says in Mass Effect 3 that the Geth had planned for war with the Reapers. It would also work well in terms of the new game's story, which is picking up after 3 and Andromeda. It could also add to the tragedy of 3's No-Win-Scenario ending, which is something I loved was ambiguous in Andromeda. Also, if this game explores the frontiers of the edge of the Milky Way, who knows whatever weird wonders we'll encounter!

these videos are always mind blowing with how you're able to analyze and make connections from the deep lore, favorite youtuber fr

It shows how much effort you put on your content. I don´t always agree with your theories, but love your videos anyway. Can´t wait for the next.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! And always up for diverse opinions on the same topic, it provides for awesome discussions.

I thought canonized ending meant determining Shepard's fate either hopefully alive after perfect destroy or dead for the remaining choices and which fate the Bioware will consider to include in the next game, with that being said the choices made during the game would still have effects and consequences in the upcoming ME game.

@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290

3 ай бұрын

There is only ONE ending in my headcanon: Paragon Shepard sacrifies himself and becomes the Reaper's new controlling intelligence. *_PERIOD!_* I refuse to play any ME game that uses the Destroy Ending as canon.

I think while they're working on Mass Effect 4 Maybe they should make the fans happy and remaster Mass Effect Andromeda and bring it to the Mass Effect legendary edition

Excellent logical process! On what Liara may want from the Geth: In ME3 Shepard enters the Geth virtual world. If I am not mistaken, this is not an optional mission in ME3 right? That mission there basically makes a copy of Shepart's mind shortly before the trilogy ends. I repeatedly wonder if Liara wants to retrieve Shepard's mind from the Geth. Since Geth are interconnected, nothing speaks against the notion of synchronizing Geth inputs to reach consensus in large distances. So the Milky Way Geth may or may not be destroyed, but it is irrelevant, because the remote Geth has the Consensus snapshot anyway. That "quick-save" Shepard has a mind which did not choose any of the endings. So that is a "clean state" Shepard without the endings, but it is still our specific Shepard up until that point. And we know from the Omega DLC that cloning Shepard (minus his mind) is possible. You see where I am going with this. And basically, if Shepard survives at the end of ME3, then we may have the original one anyway.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

I just checked, you can do Priority Rannoch without doing that mission in the geth virtual world. Only one of that mission or saving Admiral Koris is required to continue with main plot.

You may have hit the nail on the head with this theory! - Very Intriguing! This may be old news for old fans of ME: the Jaardan were speculated to be synthetic, and the Angara were their version of (organic) synthetic species. - I, personally, read this info on a Reddit thread YEARS back. - but I've tried searching for it, but can't find it. So if anyone knows of it, let me know.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Ooh that thread sounds fun!! I personally think the Jardaan are organic/synthetic based on how Ryder needed SAM's help to work the remtech vaults, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were fully synthetic.

Oooh, very interesting, I like this theory for us to have the geth back and it seems like they are friendly. Don't want to be fighting them again after we worked so hard to be friends 😊

2:11 This "Geth in Clothes" could be the Geth Liara talks to in the garbled message from the 'Mass Relay trailer '

Just discovered the channel and I’m really enjoying the content! I just thought I would share my theory on the Geth. I don’t believe that EDI or the Geth truly “die” in the destroy ending. It just doesn’t make sense because EDI isn’t the physical body we see in ME3, and while her physical body may have been destroyed, I don’t think the red destroy ending beam would be specific enough to target her actual brain on the Normandy, and same for the Geth, we see the Geth exist on server hubs. The reason it doesn’t make sense that they would be destroyed is that, for as much as we love EDI and the Geth, they are technically lines of code on a computer. Since we see that the destroy ending doesn’t destroy all the computers in the galaxy, I believe there is a very good chance that they could be rebuilt. Now an argument could be made that since they have Reaper code, the power of the crucible could seek them out and destroy them but I feel that there is enough distinction between having a few lines of Reaper code, and being an actual Reaper that they could have been spared. TLDR: I don’t trust a single word that comes out of the starchilds mouth 🤷🏻‍♂️

That’s actually a great theory. Maybe we get a backstory of what happened in the Heleus cluster and that’s how the next game is connected to MEA.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

I'm actually working on a theory right now for how MEA will connect to the Milky Way's story. My bet's on the Jardaan being a key factor.

Few holes in the theory, first, the Quarian from comics specifically refers to the geth as "Heretic enclave" so we talk about geth controlled by the reapers here who observe distant galaxies, the 'golden worlds' which the quarian noticed is just but one thing he found by accident and didn't even manage good look to get perfect coordinates. Since relays are reaper tech, the quarian finding them connected would find the tech as strange, so it doesn't point to Jardaan at all. The connected relays were also just stated to be an FTL telescope too, not a gateway, so no heretic Geth travelled through it. That said, this does point to Reapers wanting the heretic Geth to observe distant galaxies for some reason, maybe something was coming their way? Its unlikely Geth aimed to help anyone escape here or traveled anywhere outside milky way, but they certaintly watched. If it's heretic geth, even less likely they wanted organic species to escape milky way and spread. Reapers had purpose of wiping advanced species, letting them spread to other galaxies would definitely not be intended. Regarding the connection between Andromeda and the Shepard's trilogy however, it it clear the Geth were in some way connected to Andromeda Initiative. The important piece of the puzzle is the mysterious benefactor. What we know of this person / people: non xenophobic since we have arks for various species. Make use of Alec Ryder to develop SAM and make use of Jien Garson as a poster-face for the initiative, and is also ruthless enough to assassinate Jien. Benefactor also believed Shepard's warning about reapers back in ME1. Given this info this person used humans and believed a human, which most certainly makes them either an AI or an influential human like Banes in ME1 or some new human. For benefactor identity can exclude salarians (they wouldn't get Krogans on arks), we can exclude cerberus (wouldn't want other species on arks), We can exclude most species without monetary or political pull (Krogans, quarians etc.), we can exclude Turians they wouldn't run a mission on it in the comic. This leaves just Asari or a Human as possibilities, and given benefactor used humans, it's easy to assume they have human identity most likely, and a pull with N7 which would explain how they had information about Alec. The benefactor definitely was not reaper controled or heretic geth related, again the reaper purpose was to harvest cycles, letting others escape to andromeda was definitely not part of finding a solution each cycle. Since the next mass effect is not called Andromeda 2, I assume it's not 600+ years in the future, otherwise would be pointless to also show Liara, dead reaper, N7 armor part and destroyed relay, all of this wouldn't make sense 600+ years apart from the main trilogy, maybe matriarch Liara would, but that is something people assumed for some odd reason. The strong N7 focus points also to this group being important, for all of those elements to be relevant, they can't go 600+ years in future, doubt the N7 program would exist till then. If it didn't feature Shepard as well, it would be pointless to focus on some many elements regarding him/her. My take is that the next series will expand on the mysterious benefactor subplot and whatever the heretic geth were observing, maybe a new threat coming from Andromeda. It might be Jardaan, that were already well on their way to MIlky Way, hence why we don't see them in Andromeda upon arrival. It might be someone else. Just as Arks were sent from milky way, as they travel, something might have already been traveling our way.

Hopefully the story is done well nothing in life worthwhile has ever been rushed

When you said the Jardan were synthetic that completed a puzzle I was trying to solve. I had suspected before but this solidifies my assumption. The synthetic Jardan were trying to build bodies they could download into but either didn’t get to finish or there was a problem that erased them or their memories. This tech would be appealing to geth wanting individuality and to find greater understanding of their creation or creators. But the scurge happened for a yet unknown reason

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Interesting thought! I have a theory on the Jardaan coming up, so we can re-visit this then.

@CherryJuli

3 ай бұрын

Is that actually a fact that they are synthetic or just speculation?

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

@@CherryJuli Not confirmed IIRC, but it's been a year since I've played Andromeda.

I'm glad to have found a channel for mass effect

Well done!

Once again, I'm totally mind-blown with your ability (and motivation) to dig deep into all of the materials we have on our hands and make new theories that are actually based on something. Applause 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Sounds interesting, as always.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! This one took a very long time to put my thoughts together in a coherent way, so I'm glad it came across well!

good information that will be useful for future theories! Greetings from a random argentine fan who practices his English with your content (even though you speak quite fast)

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Hello! 👋 Apologies for the fast-speaking haha. And hilariously, this is about 70% my usual speed! 😁

...maybe the Angara is just hating on the Geths DND fit

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

This is the best take 😂

Maybe legion was left behind as an informant to see what the galaxy was up to and send communications back to the ones that went away? He was interested in the dead reaper, the husks, and getting the geth back home as sentient. Since afaik legion is the only 'sentient' geth we seen up til the priority ranok mission.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Interesting idea, but IIRC Legion was captured by Reaper forces and trapped in the dreadnought's drive core during Mass Effect 3. The geth that left the Milky Way would've left right around that time, but Legion wouldn't have been able to communicate with them since he was captured. And that's if he survived the suicide mission in ME2, so I think it's unlikely he would've been an informant for this particular enclave.

They should have done an ending with a purpose or ultraviolet color, a multiphasic pulse that allowed for multiple outcomes, for example some Reapers was destroyed while others was controlled and some undergoing synthesis with the organics, that way they would have had room to expand on the lore

The "strange technology" is clearly Reaper in origin.

How have I not subbed to this channel sooner, this is such a cool theory, and would be an amazing way to not canonise choices

makes perfect sense first off in the poster of the geth shaped crater there is dead geth, second the geth that liara spoke to during the relay teaser spoke like they did before legion's sacrifice. It lso would make sense for the geth to leave so they wouldn't get caught up in the quarian geth conflict in mass effect three

@dorottyapapp

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the geth speaks with Liara in the teaser. I think she just gets her hand on this recording and she is talking to another organic being about it. Legion was able to use a translator to speak with organics so here we are hearing geth talking between themselves. IMO

Very interesting analysis, Subscribed.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed! :)

May be it has been said before, but your mention of "Interstallar" caused a thought in my mind. What if this Geth faction IS "The Jardaan"? The wormhols in Interstallar made time travel possible. So, what if the Geth that traveled to andromeda effectively "arrived before they left"? Becomming the Jardaan over whatever timespan they existed in Andromeda? Apart from that, I always understood the "Not looking at Andromeda" part like this: The Geth were looking at/for the incomming Reapers, or looking for whatever those had installed in darkspace. The discovery of these viable worlds being only a side effect of that project. Irrelvant data for the Geth, because what need/use would a Race of A.I. have for biologilaly viable planets? The Andromeda Initiative analysed the data they got from the Quarian, found the files on the "Habitats" and put them to their own use.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the geth are the Jardaan, only because I have a theory on who they actually are...which will be revealed some time next month. :) Totally get that the geth wouldn't have any need to look for livable planets, but then what were they using the telescope for? Shio'leth specifically said their intentions in using it were unclear, and at the time, the geth were serving the Reapers, so why point a telescope looking for them? There's enough vagueness provided in the comic that it could mean anything, but with a geth suddenly rocking up in clothes, I'm betting that something funky is going on beyond what we know from the trilogy.

Technology was Reaper one. No one knew about Reapers after Mass Effect 1 and about their tech since Council hid all traces. So it is unlikely that mere Quarian reasercher would recognize their tech.

I've always wanted to play more of a strategy game or "4X" style game set in the mass effect universe.

Question, how could the Geth make contact with the Jardaan if the Geth are only about 300 years old at best in the original trilogy, while the technology showcased by the Jardaan is clearly much older than that, at least thousands of years old. Rather than the Jardaan, I think the Kett are the ones the Geth were in contact with. Because there is no confirmation anywhere that the Jardaan were not native to Andromeda, while there is confirmation that the Kett did not and, in fact, came to Andromeda much later, after the Jardaan had already vanished. The Kett are also the ones that present an extremely vague resemblance to the Prothean and we do know that not all Prothean people looked like Javik in ME3. Some were like him, but others on other planets did not as they considered "Prothean" all of the species that were part of their empire, enslaved or otherwise, and the specie that Javik is from was definitely one of many. Which could mean that a sub-specie of the Prothean (that eventually became known as the Kett) was originally part of the Milky Way, might have survived for a time like the people on Ilos, started developing their own technology (like the telescope) and moved to a different galaxy.

As someone who chose the destroy ending, all the geth showing up in the years never bothered me cuz I never trusted the star kid anyway. Also even if he didn't lie, I suppose it's still possible that some geth could have rejected the reaper code or even that they were inactive at the time that the destroy wave went out. Or are you suggested they may have left the Milky Way

The technology the geth used might also be Leviathan. Something I keep thinking about is that the Leviathan ruled the galaxy, pre reapers. Which also means pre mass relays so….how were they traveling around the Milky Way?

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

To me, the Leviathans made it pretty clear that they wanted nothing to do with the rest of the galaxy in the Leviathan DLC, so I think it's unlikely it's their tech. Unless the geth found and stole their tech which could happen.

Yes.. This makes sense… The geth that speaks with Liara speaks pre-reaper code. Wouldn’t it speak normal if it was a milky way geth with the rewritten reaper code installed? The geth prime we met after did. However, they could canonize geth/quarian peace the same way they canonized the council sacrifice in me1 etc etc.

@dorottyapapp

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the geth speaks with Liara in the teaser. I think she just gets her hand on this recording and she is talking to another organic being about it. Legion was able to use a translator to speak with organics so here we are hearing geth talking between themselves. IMO

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Ahh this makes sense. Something else that's very strange about the geth enclave in the comic is that they appear to be taking independent action before Legion's Reaper code upload. Very fun to think on. 👀

@dorottyapapp

3 ай бұрын

@@paragonseven I don't know who wrote the comic (I've yet to read it), but I know that the writer of Legion were different in ME2 and ME3, which caused contradictions. Eg. in ME2 Legion states they don't want to use Reaper tech because they want to evolve on their own (except the Heretics, they took the shortcut), then in ME3 suddenly they do? And Legion says in ME2: separation is their weakness, so why would they want individuality then? Their turn in ME3 makes no sense lore-wise. But a different writer had different ideas so... I'm curious what kind of iteration we will get from the new writers. They can take independent actions because they were made to self-optimise, that's how they eventually woke up and became alive. And they don't share data 24/7. I imagine the geth like this: each platform can act independently because there are many programs in it, but the platforms are able to read each other's mind (sharing data), doing this makes their kind "smarter", so the more they do the better they become, but one platform can separate itself with the cost of losing the knowledge of the others.

@TheWireLayer

3 ай бұрын

@@dorottyapapp Im pretty sure the geth (all of them) turned to the reapers and their tech because of a sudden full scale quarian invasion?

@dorottyapapp

3 ай бұрын

@@TheWireLayer I don't know the numbers but I guess there were less geth and more quarians during the Morning War then in ME3. Also the quarians didn't have to wear suits yet (which is a big handicap) and the geth didn't have their own weapons and ships without structural weaknesses. So both the numbers and physique are on the geth's side. Still wouldn't make sense to pull a Saren. But making the geth victims is what the writers wanted and I can do nothing about it.

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@kalaelizabeth

3 ай бұрын

Also I totally agree I think the geth telescope will be heavily involved and will be part of how the Andromeda connection will be established. I also think the jardaan were synthetic and organic. Lots of good clues here!

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see your thoughts on the Jardaan!

@kalaelizabeth

3 ай бұрын

Also our theories are starting to overlap, we are so big brained!

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

@@kalaelizabeth IKR, by the end of the year we'll have the whole thing figured out no problem 🤣🤣

Could the Quarian Ark have gone to this other home world?

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

I don't think so based on the Andromeda book, Annihilation, which covers the Quarian Ark, but with retcons anything could happen. *Spoilers for Annihilation below* The book ends with the Quarian Ark continuing its journey to the Heleus cluster. Also, that ark had multiple races on it besides for just quarians, so unless there's some type of sabotage or a change in plans by the leadership on board, they're still headed to the Heleus cluster.

I am all in on your theory! I always thought the angara were a foil for the geth i.e. an organic race created to serve a syntheitic (silicon?) race as a narrative foil for a syntehtic race created to serve an organic race. I too thought the Geth might have found the Jardaan using the Kholos Array because why would they have been looking at the "Golden Worlds" when they don't require those conditions for habitation? Further more, the timeline of when the Geth were looking at Andromeda due to the "FTL Telescope" (Kohos Array) always peaked my interest; seeing Andromeda in without time diliation 600 years before the Arks arrive. Could the Geth have witnessed the Scourge attack that drove the Jardaan away? Perhaps the Geth were not interested in Andromeda because they were actually looking for where the Jardaan went

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Interesting thought with the geth maybe seeing the Scourge attack take place. The Discovery comic as a whole is fascinating, especially because of the telescope's ability to avoid time dilation.

Didn’t BioWare say sometime back that the man made structrue in the teaser isn’t a relay? 🤔

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Director Gamble on Twitter replied to someone who speculated the relay led to somewhere new, implying that the poster was thinking along the right lines. So I'd say the relay with the Liara audio (if that's the one you're referring to here) does act similarly to the mass relays we're familiar with.

now thats a theory. to be honest the details dont interest me much, as a fan of the game series i just want to be able to play as my shepard again and continue where i left off. honestly, if i ever be sure i wont be able to do that, i will just uninstall and try to get over it as if it was a very emotional break up. :ı

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Count me in the camp that wants Shepard back. When I finished ME3 I remember feeling pretty empty. Following the heroism and 'beating the odds' story of ME1 and ME2, ME3 didn't follow through on those themes, which disappointed me.

@blurmusic.5508

3 ай бұрын

@@paragonseven to me it was me3>me1>me2, when all of them are heavily modded (especially me3). I hope they dont upset fans like me and bring back shepard, id love the game even if it had a low score on metacritic or something. I see it as if it was easy money for them, just make shepard go thru more adventures and let me continue where i left off :/ theyd already have my money, no questions asked.

@madincraft4418

3 ай бұрын

I chose Blue because I wanted the organics to have a chance too get things right with synthetics in their own way. I know Destroy leaves Shep alive, but then wipes out EDI and Geth. Shep would not have expected to survive, so I think she would choose blue. But .... The Geth have her blueprints in their server. Shep could come back as some form of synthetic or another combination of organic synthetic.

@blurmusic.5508

3 ай бұрын

@@madincraft4418 i mean its much easier to bring geth and edi back using their blueprints :p

@madincraft4418

3 ай бұрын

@@blurmusic.5508 True. Tbh I don't think Shep could face the idea of wiping out Jokers girlfriend 😀

I don't think they met the Jaardan and it makes the story suspect overall because the Jaardan is too much of an unknown, also was it not implied in MEA that the Jaardan were organics that created the remnant technology? If the Jaardan was looking for organic bodies then that would explain the synthesis ending ro some degree where organics and synthetics become one,but the Jaardan could have already achieved that

I miss the gameplay of Interstellar's mobile game 😢 The game's available for sideloading but it relies on a now-dead server for the campaign

I really wish to see a lot of games, movies and/or series in the Mass Effect universe and I do not care what time. Like in past or future , but in the Milky Way galaxy. Personally I do not like Andromeda , even tho as an artist, I can see what the OG vision could have been and I really love the idea, but the game itself, nah. Somehow nah. Eventho I played the game and enjoyed it. Cannot wait for the new game! Thank you for you awesome videos! :)

Didn’t legion say that there’s different kinds of Geth like the ancient ones and the ones that separated themselves from them because their ideals did not align

@paragonseven

Ай бұрын

Not sure, I'd have to double-check that. There's definitely multiple factions within the geth though (Legion mentioned that the heretics who sided with the Reapers are only a small portion of the total number of geth, IIRC).

@Chambers-ie8ie

Ай бұрын

@@paragonseven thanks for the info. I’m so glad you happen to be one of the few creators on this platform to still talk about mass effect in depth. If you didn’t provide the information you have I probably wouldn’t like the franchise as much.

We'll have disseminated every possible variable by the time the game is in Beta.

👍🏼

Hi paragonN7. I wanted to ask you if you have an email where I can send you a couple of theories (2) on the new chapter of mass effect. I'll explain why the email. I don't have Twitter, and I don't know if you have Instagram. But the theories are accompanied by images modified by me specifically to highlight curiosities and easier understanding. I would have done it on KZread but KZread doesn't allow sharing images. Of course if you want, without disturbance.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Hello! Yes I do, for some reason I don't think I can post my email in the comment section (KZread probably views it as spam), so if you head to my about section on my channel, you can find my email there. Let me know once you've sent it, I usually check my emails on Mondays and Fridays! 👍

@RoySR3-ln6ve

3 ай бұрын

@@paragonseven Thank you I've already shared one with you :) I'll send you the second part, the one that concerns the N7 soldier, tomorrow as I don't have time to write it down. Mass effect is one of my favorite games ever, and I also enjoy doing analyses, which I'm happy to share with everyone, or at least with those who share the same passion for the game.

@RoySR3-ln6ve

3 ай бұрын

I've now finished posting the two parts ✌

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

@@RoySR3-ln6ve Thanks for sharing your theories, it was fun to think about!

@RoySR3-ln6ve

3 ай бұрын

@@paragonseven ✌🙂

No, the Geth ARE the Jaardan.

Just use Fireball. I'm sorry, not sorry, for saying this. I only do this cause you said DnD. Yes I do over use that spell.

@paragonseven

3 ай бұрын

Fireball does solve most problems! (If friendly-fire is avoided).

@thirdcoastfirebird

3 ай бұрын

@@paragonseven Indeed.

The only thing that sucks is those Geth are not the ones Legion liberated and gave full consciousness too.