The ANC promised to destroy Apartheid and transform South Africa. They transformed Apartheid and destroyed South Africa.

@ruandutoit3573

15 күн бұрын

Best comment i have ever seen😂

@louwriebadenhorst5676

13 күн бұрын

accurate

@Sumbdy_u_know1999

13 күн бұрын

Fr, if the people gonna thrash their communities and loot like morons!, ANC is getting exactly what they wanted, the people "divided" and against each other

@semicolon101

11 күн бұрын

GG

@robertmaybeth3434

9 күн бұрын

OMG dude that's f#ckin brilliant it ought to be the headlines in the new york times every time they do a story on SA

I'm a South African in SA and a huge fan of your work, my face lit up when I saw this. Thank you for covering it, you never miss and are impartial when detailing something.

@jessgunn6639

25 күн бұрын

This was the type of government they grew up with under apartheid, so once they got into power they ended up slipping into exactly the type of hard line governance they knew and understood, they had no other experience and you repeat what you know, totally selling out the dream to turn it into a nightmare

@alexanderb996

25 күн бұрын

​@@jessgunn6639basically what happened in Liberia

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

​@@jessgunn6639I think you're over analyzing it..was simply bad management from all sides. It also doesn't help that to be a South African policeman, basically all you need is a matric and about 6 months of low standard training. To get a Matric in SA you need an average passmark of 30%

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

People seem to think that so many problems are caused by complicated socioeconomic factors and generational distress.. In this case its just a lack of professionalism thanks to a corrupt/inept socialist government

@aq5426

25 күн бұрын

@@Fruitloopz13 Oh, so like in the US then.

The international media talked about the Sharpville massacre in 1960 for decades but forgot about the Marikana massacre after a couple of days. Strange.

@jennaxoxox4821

22 күн бұрын

Corporate media seldom chooses to report pro-corporate atrocities.

@buy_large_mansions

22 күн бұрын

@@jennaxoxox4821 Sharpville was committed by white people while Marikana was not and left wing media will always focus on that.

@buy_large_mansions

22 күн бұрын

@@jennaxoxox4821 left wing media chooses to report what it wants.

@jennaxoxox4821

22 күн бұрын

@@buy_large_mansions don’t start that BS. You know better. Corporate media is corporate media. The boardrooms are packed with right wingers searching for a tax shelter. The only difference is that Murdoch media is willing to lie to their viewers. I’m waiting for another rerun of the 2014 caravan footage to scare the homogenous blondes in the northern states right before the election. They’ve already done that play in 2016, 2018, 2020 and 2022.

@foo219

22 күн бұрын

That is odd. Any idea why?

Please do more videos on South Africa. From a South African. Your content is always well researched, factual and objective. I love seeing the ANC government getting exposed for what it is

@Mike--Oxmall

25 күн бұрын

All he is doing is summarising Wikipedia.

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

@@Mike--Oxmall I doubt it

@Mike--Oxmall

25 күн бұрын

@@Fruitloopz13 Lmao thats where all KZreadrs go and get their information from, do you think they actually bother doing any research besides that?

@TheUntio

25 күн бұрын

​@@Mike--Oxmall name checks out

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

@Mike--Oxmall did you actually read the Wikipedia entry? It's pretty narrow minded to say that ALL of any group does anything a certain way.. especially when the guy works with a team of writers. Just because the same info relating to a historical event shows up on Wikipedia doesn't mean that it was the source. Even if that were the case (it's not) still well presented and factual

And remember, if you think "the government wouldnt do that!", oh yes they would.

@WanderingMiqo

26 күн бұрын

That's why I support the 2nd Amendment of the US Bill of Rights.

@Tony.795

26 күн бұрын

@@WanderingMiqo That hasn't stopped the US government either though.

@WanderingMiqo

26 күн бұрын

@@Tony.795 So let's just give up our rights then.

@kaydoeteccc7741

26 күн бұрын

​@@Tony.795because the government keeps infringing on it, reducing amount of firepower one can have.

@Jalenlane93

26 күн бұрын

​@WanderingMiqo Yea, because your handful of weapons can stop a FBI Swat team or drone strike.

As a SA’n. Thanx for shedding light on this massacre. Its heartbreaking that many were killed just bc they wanted a better life for themselves 😔

@crampusmaximus8849

24 күн бұрын

Probably had something to do with machete slaughtering a security guard.

@user-zx8du3ik2j

20 күн бұрын

@@crampusmaximus8849 around that time the popular banners of the ANC under ZUMA where blatant calls back to tribalism mentality. . .its no surprise.

@mell0wm0nkey14o1

19 күн бұрын

I was staying at a training centre by the mine..they petrol bombed car while we were sleeping and attacked people. They even attacked people with machetes and we were sent home cause it was dangerous for us.

@Darkenergy104

17 күн бұрын

Shedding light I see what you did there😂

@Jcz89

17 күн бұрын

@@Darkenergy104 😅😅that comment was after the election

I'm a South African and still living in SA. This whole situation could have been prevented if only the SA government had any idea of actually ruling a country and not plundering it and the people and bringing the whole of SA to the brink of total collapse and unfortunately most probably violence and bloodshed. Just look at our economy, crime and the number of people without work and then they are proud of the number of people now on social grants and how they did it. I just don't see any future for my son here who is now 9. But unfortunately not all of us can go somewhere else.

@The_barefoot_bedouin

17 күн бұрын

Can go to a country that suits your needs. I’m native to South Africa- my ancestors and my blood is South Africa, however there came a time when I decided that to leave and try a new life elsewhere. We will die and leave this world so it’s not worth trying to hold on.

@chromeboy92

15 күн бұрын

@@The_barefoot_bedouinif only a ticket and a new life were free, everyone would do as you did.

@EMan-cu5zo

8 күн бұрын

Come to America, we are letting in people from all over the world. If you are a white South African you might have some trouble but I would rather live in South America any day than where you are. I honestly would get a plane tans walk through the border. We need decent immigration and we don’t have that currently.

@willisengelbrecht7731

7 күн бұрын

It's a filthy party who only think about their own pockets and it's caused a horrid mindset in the young where they don't care if there's corruption they vote because they personally benifit

@phaedrapage4217

4 күн бұрын

I do hope that somehow your personal situation improves enough that you can get your son out and move somewhere he can have a future. I can not even begin to fathom the fears you have as a parent but you are in my thoughts, as is your child. My words seem empty even to myself. But they come from a place of love and humanity and I hope they are received that way. ❤

Your coverage of South African crime and issues are always so thorough and well presented, often better than what we get ourselves in South Africa! Massive fan of your work! Hoping you cover more South African serial killers (we have many!) especially on the casual criminalist. Keep up the great work :)

@Chez114

5 күн бұрын

True, but much respect to Carte Blanche

That’s the ANC and their buddies for you! They are only there to fill their own pockets and don’t care about anyone else!! This video makes me so angry!!!😡

@backroomsguideno.87

26 күн бұрын

Imagine if ppl could see this video before elections, anc would be done for good

@constantinethecataphract5949

26 күн бұрын

Literally everything the pro apartheid people said would happen if apartheid dissolved happened lmao.

@backroomsguideno.87

26 күн бұрын

@@constantinethecataphract5949 that's a very wierd thing to say, I'm anti apartheid as should everyone who isn't a rascist be 👀

@constantinethecataphract5949

26 күн бұрын

@@backroomsguideno.87 What should have happened is all the Whites should have gone to Europe after the end of apartheid.

@daduzadude1547

26 күн бұрын

@@constantinethecataphract5949and the blacks should have gone back to West Africa, right?

Treat people like shit and act surprised when they are upset 😯 who would have thought. Rip to those who died that's a truly sad story...

Absolutely disgusting what Ramaphosa and his Kleptogarchy did to their own people. And, still continue to do. God save South Africa

@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271

26 күн бұрын

No need for "their own people" we all ppl David,Iba nobuntu

@aregularperson7573

25 күн бұрын

And while it seems like things are slowly changing but in what direction it is only time will tell

@Phearsum

25 күн бұрын

@@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271 Well it's not like this massacre affected anyone outside of South Africa.. So yeah, "their own people" is correct. They did this to the people who elected them.

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

Kleptogarchic ineptocracy😂 otherwise known as Socialist

@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271

25 күн бұрын

@@Phearsum I think u know what he or she meant by own ppl, but we can both choose to play "uhhhh HHH" ...Dom I mean

Wow! As a South African I did not know most of the nitty gritty information, I knew the basics. Thank you for this

I am a South African my neighbor lost his life in this massacre, it was sad considering that he was the bread winner of that household the gap he left behind is clearly visible. 😢

Simon, you are the best! Rest in Peace Mambush and all the miners who lost their lives in that massacre.

That initial description is pretty much what South Africa is as a whole.

@ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13

25 күн бұрын

Exactly..The place is out of controlm

Im south african and not even i learnt about this in school. The only massacre we learnt about was the sharpville massacre. Amazing video.

@russellfitzpatrick503

25 күн бұрын

Probably because it wasn't the 'right kind of massacre'

@Fish-Addict

22 күн бұрын

ANC indoctrination 😂

@armablign

20 күн бұрын

@@Fish-Addict I mean the ANC does set the national education guidelines on what must be taught and what not... It no different than the prelude to all dictatorships...

@Fish-Addict

20 күн бұрын

@@armablign exactly, the ANC syllabus teaches you WHAT to think, not HOW to think.

@mooncake387

19 күн бұрын

How old are you, this happened a few years back it was all over the news

If a country experiences blackouts, it has failed. Anybody still living there should get out while they still can. There is no way back. Nelson would be appalled by his party’s behaviour.

@louwriebadenhorst5676

13 күн бұрын

Nelson was part of the problem...

@adameve2647

11 күн бұрын

Were would they go? Go to other black african.coutry or north african nation or become dangerous illigal migrants

10 people, amongst which were police and security personnel, were murdered by the striking miners before the massacre. Their body parts were used in the making of "muti" to give the miners great strenght of a supernatural nature. When the shooting finally happened the police were angry about the murder of their colleagues and the strikers were in a high state of mind. Strikes in south africa have a history of extreme violence and loss of life and property. When the Marikana tragedy is told these truths are normally omitted.

Such an unthreatening term "unofficial settlement" but hard to think of that way once you've visited one and seen how the people are forced to live !!

@foo219

22 күн бұрын

The power of euphemisms!

@ministerpopilyo

20 күн бұрын

The sad part is They are not really forced to. These settlements are some of the best opportunities for a large swath of the population. Just look at artisanal mining in the Congo and realize the people flocked to these areas because it’s better then famine or warfare.

@Michael-nu6fb

19 сағат бұрын

Informal settlement not unofficial!

@EamonCoyle

18 сағат бұрын

@@Michael-nu6fb You kinda missed the point of the comment, but thank you anyway !!

Thanks for providing coverage of this dark chapter, I had never heard of it before

As a South African, I enjoy your content on South Africa. 👍

@issh1n

26 күн бұрын

sorry

@PigSticker-wm2tq

26 күн бұрын

Jeeze I feel bad for ya

@cwj2733

26 күн бұрын

i truly hope yall come out on the other side. i hate seeing what’s happening there. bless you all

@mzee5533

26 күн бұрын

The sellout was Bernard Mokwena

If everyone is at fault, no one is to blame somehow. Interesting how that works.

I hate when I hear about about striking workers who then harass or hurt the workers who don't want to strike

@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it

25 күн бұрын

Unions, while good in concept are often quick to become a gang in their own right.

@MrBuckman420

25 күн бұрын

Mob mentality takes hold, and it becomes you're either with us or against us mindset, which helps no one.

@leodesalis5915

24 күн бұрын

​@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2ityou hust have to look at new yorks unions during the mafia years. There wasnt a single union in new york that wasnt mob owned or affiliated. If you greased the right pockets in the union you could get away with anything. Dont pay and suddenly its strikes, walkouts and production issues.

@GrievousReborn

24 күн бұрын

@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it I guarantee you a lot more bad cops would not have their jobs anymore if the police unions didn't protect them

@Rpg844

19 күн бұрын

years ago, when the transport industry was on strike, people o worked with threatened my life. A few days later, when the strike was over they were my friend. Mob mentality is dangerous.

You have not mentioned that the current president (Cyril Ramaphosa) was at that time a sitting MP, mine boss/ stakeholder and was part of a mine union before was one of the people that was charged as being complicit in the events leading to this massacre He was one of the heads that signed off on the call for security, and the call for not meeting demands, and many see him as being responsible for this event

Btw you electric vehicle people. This is how they mine all the metals.

No south African strike is without weapons. Just look at the images. (Not just in this video). The mob culture has always been there. Not that I blame the people. But then there is a reason why all public transport has been destroyed. Another despicable act was the xenophobia attacks against Zimbabweans. The police, as bad and corrupt, has an incredibly hard job to do.

@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271

26 күн бұрын

Mob culture exists in all races ppl usually find it easier to flow with their own it's how things are, yr point

@fritsgerms3565

25 күн бұрын

@@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271 to some extent that is true but the violence aspect is cultural. E.g Dutch, Chinese, German protests are very different from France, Spain protests. South African protests often lead to violence. This was true 70 years ago. The Zulu is a warrior nation. Trying to compare ethnicity does a disservice to geography.

@itsnevertoolatetodotherigh3271

25 күн бұрын

@@fritsgerms3565 yep Zulus have that ingrained in their culture, yes I agree with what you just said

@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368

14 күн бұрын

Mob mentality. Mob justice. We just a bit more violent in Africa.

Most of the problems of the workers are definitely the company's fault but not the "second family" thing. If you can't afford to have children then don't have them.

@that1ginger22

12 күн бұрын

If you’re talking about Africa, South America and the Muslim world then yes but east Asia and the west is in a birth crisis

@theJosenOne-nx2vn

9 күн бұрын

If they only give you enough to keep your one family just at the poverty line might as well start a new one to get more money 😂 the logic doesn't logic but it logic'ed

Well-constructed and informative documentary article from you at Into the Shadows😁. Very regrettable indeed what happened there in S. Africa... . With news articles like this one there will always be a hope for the future. Thnk you again.

Thank you for making this and sharing our story

Simon, I find it really weird to see you lay out all the facts here and still say, "it's hard to establish fault." It's very clear who was at fault - and who *is* at fault in all struggles where a nation's people have to resort to such extremes in pursuit of a basic standard of living.

@lianajansevanvuuren2886

21 күн бұрын

Would have been helpful if this video could have been released before the elections. Maybe reminding people of Marikana would have helped the EC election results

@user-zx8du3ik2j

20 күн бұрын

@@lianajansevanvuuren2886 go look at who the people of that area voted for in the election, I mean the people who lived this and don't need reminding. no I'm sorry to say you underestimate the power of tribalism and deception .. . it would not change a thing - something different needs to be done.

It’s a bit pointless to convert any amounts of ZAR from 2012 at the current exchange rate… R12,500 back then was a lot more than the $650 it is now, it was closer to $1,500

People in South africa have somewhat forgotten about this but it completely changed the history of the whole country.

I have no words for this tragedy.

@lilianhaggland2031

20 күн бұрын

Just thinking about it ,breaks my heart.

Thank you, Simon. Sharing this horror is the right thing to do. People must know.

My little brother's tennis coach was a white guy from South Africa. Nice guy, animated and charismatic. However, if anyone asked him about South Africa his face would turn sullen and he would usually respond, "I don't miss it."

@karabommm9187

12 күн бұрын

yeah man south africa low keys perpetuates the ideas of racism, inequality (color, gender & class) its really the worseplace in terms lf democracy and what it represents

I'm from south africa, thank you for covering this.

Thank you for shining light on South Africa!

We got SEIU in the USA, and that union absolutely cares more about collecting dues than actually helping the workers they represent. The only help i ever saw them provide was against termination, because they'd be losing a due paying member.

@Tentaculat

24 күн бұрын

Thats all unions

I was a student when this happened. I remember reading papers saying that they could’ve asked for more & the company would have run a profit. I remember FMF & how it triggered a student , his father had been impacted

Dit was nou nogal interessant gewees ! Dankie

Simon you're good with explanation without holding back details.

Hi Simon, Excellent presentation! So much better than was ever presented in SA at any time!!!

Thank you for this video, it is very enlightening from a behind the scenes point of view. Your implications of many of the tactical encounters are incorrect, but it doesn't change the story overall. I look forward to more videos on SA from you.

Good lords... R12,500? Back then you'd be lucky to get that as a teacher or graduate engineer (and that with living costs in one of the bigger cities).

Brillant and highly informative

Thank you for the history lesson, it's an evil worls we live in. Wish this was uploaded just a few months earlier. Insane storytelling

As South African living and working here, we are under paid most of us working people 😢

@archlich4489

18 күн бұрын

Be well, friend. Respect from North Carolina.

Why did many start up a second family? That doesn't make sense.

@zurielsss

25 күн бұрын

To get their Willy wet, loyalty means nothing to some cultures 😊

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

Refusal to wear a condom. That's pretty much the answer

@alibarron7558

19 күн бұрын

In many poor countries, one must work at least 60 hour weeks for very little money. Many don't get over one day a month off. There is not enough money to go out to eat, nor many places to go to if you have money. You have no cars, nor transportation in many camps. You must get some woman to help you survive in order to keep the job. Many workers are from other countries and don't have the money for years to go home to their first families. Also many within their own country can't afford such luxury. In many places, you need at least two people living with you, so that when one has to go shopping while you are at work --- there is still one person to guard your house or shack. This is not unique to just South Africa. Throughout history, from ancient UR to Egypt five thousand years ago, it took several adults to safely have and run a secure household. Even the biblical story of Joseph & Mary (if true) says Joseph went to the Temple and took Mary at the age of thirteen. The Abrahamic world for all was a very corrupt and desperate life, and it still exists in half of the world.

Thanks.

THANKYOU for mentioning this!! Our country needs more quality coverage! Our government is terribly corrupt and absolutely apathetic to our cries for help, we have little in the way of valid ways to call for help and the world has little to no interest in us. Once again, thank you!

A lot of you are conveniently overlooking the fact that the striking miners killed about 10 people, including police, security guards and their mining colleagues, prior to being shot by police. I'm not condoning the massacre though.

Such a sad story 😢

Well presented

The fact that I live a few kilometres from marikana and I saw news reports about this on TV back then in 2012😢

So sweet that you care, Simon.

SA Citizen here. Your content is lekker my bru!

That looks like incredibly poor training. Theres an offer in the front with his fist up signaling ceasefire and it looks to have been ignored

How do people become monsters? Money is all it takes? People are disgusting sometimes.

@AngelWest58

26 күн бұрын

smh

@keithmoore5306

25 күн бұрын

power not money!!! the money is a symptom!!

@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it

25 күн бұрын

No, it is power that corrupts those not suited to wield power. Money is naught but a tool of power.

So happy whenever Simon covers something from my country! Also, you don't hate the government enough. You think you do, but you don't

Could you do a video on the the pitesti experiment please?

Now most of South Africa has no water or electricity no job, no rail, no post. Extra. 😢

"Koppie" is a hill. For people who understand afrikaans this is a basic word but just say "hill" to make it easier for english viewers.

@erkness91

25 күн бұрын

Thaaaaaaaaaaaank you.

@KawaiiKasai

24 күн бұрын

I only speak English, have unfortunately never even been out of the Americas, so I thought "Koppie" was "Copy", and I was very confused as to why mine workers were gathered at a newspaper shop 😅

@perd3252

24 күн бұрын

@@KawaiiKasai Glad I could help

@Carnophobe

22 күн бұрын

I believe the English equivalent would be "hillock" :)

@NearlyH3adlessNick

17 күн бұрын

​@@CarnophobeI love that word.

Thank you for covering a major story from a region that's usually forgotten. Please also do one on the June 2021 democratic protests in Eswatini

Thank you for covering this tragedy and it's just horrible that these workers who were just trying to get a liveable wage and the basic necessities were treated so horrendously by the company, the police and the government!!

If there is a high level of corruption in a government and people living in a violent environment, that is not amazing to see chaotic, tragic events like this.

Got to love the AI "olice" thumbnail

Never heard of this one as well

and ya wonder why people dont trust the police these days....

@GrievousReborn

26 күн бұрын

Yes we have to act if they're all terrible people because liberals are hypocrites they say it's bad to to blanket judge people but then they do it to the people they don't like the conservatives also judge entire groups of the people but they're not the ones saying it's bad

Imagine getting paid so little That you start a second family while still sending money to the first one. That's insane

@eadweard.

26 күн бұрын

Cannot tell what you are trying to say.

@daggaswiss

26 күн бұрын

​@@eadweard.That's usually the case if the premise is quite literally insane.

@zurielsss

25 күн бұрын

@@eadweard.the guy cheat on his wife at home to start a new family while being underpaid so he can get his Willy wet How is that not insane ?

@Fruitloopz13

25 күн бұрын

Imagine having a family you can't support and then starting a second family as a solution

Living and working conditions in the mines haven't improved at all and as far as the people who were "liberated" they are far worse off than what their parents and grandparents were during the apartheid era.

@Official_Baba_yaga

16 күн бұрын

You realise there is pre 1994 south Africa footage online ? Videos don't lie🙄🙄. Those videos quickly debunk the myth of 1st world south Africa. There is no 1st world nation with people living in the worst conditions without toilet , water

Would you believe me if I told you I've spoken to people who feel this this is how all labour strikes should be dealt with?

@darkgalaxy5548

19 күн бұрын

I think it has to do with strikers losing public support when they attack police with pangas

Thank you for this. Our own government ignores this but will remind how they "saved" us from apartheid The world has to know

Well timed video. Right when we in South Africa have our presidential election results are being announced.

Do you have any idea what the miners did to fellow miners and how brutality killed the security guards by chopping off their faces with mashettes. Then they brutality killed and set alight policemen sitting in front of the gates, preventing miners to kill more people hiding inside who could not come. Then regarding the workers salary, they are very well paid and had very good living conditions. Received food of high standards. They choose to move out of the hostels into shacks. To use the money they safe for beer. You have no idea what went on at marikana. Get your facts together

@Official_Baba_yaga

16 күн бұрын

TROLL

South Africa moves 1 step forward and 5 steps backwards 💔

Thank you thank you thank you for covering this. We dont even have the full story in our own country

Thank you Simon for your excellent research and telling the truth about what is really going on here in South Africa. Finally got it through his mind that it's NOT a racial issue!

Excellent documentry ... very educational

Crazy that I was watching you 10 years ago on top 10 trends now you’re teaching me about all the different ways the 3.5 I got from the homie could kill me if he got it from less than scrupulous people. Well done

I remember this, I also remember how the miners killed some security guards. It was inevitable

I sometimes forget why greed is one of the ‘seven deadly sins’. then i come across something like this

I always hear about blood diamonds, can you guys maybe talk about this?

My dad was on Marikana as a police officer... Im probably gonna get Flak for this but, my dad and his members were fearining for their lives when the mine workers started to run at them with pangas. I just remember the news reports and my dad not being home for weeks.

@The-truth-is-valuable.

13 күн бұрын

Precisely. Look at my comment above. This video is misleading and most of the ignorant people commenting are being mislead. And they swallow it like they normally do.

@The-truth-is-valuable.

13 күн бұрын

... This was my comment above: Simon should get his facts straight. Why don't you get your facts straight? CHRONOLOGICALLY!! 1st... those very same miners, MAIMED and KILLED two of the mines's security guards.. just doing their job. - We witnessed it. Then those same miners destroyed mining property to the value of millions of rands. Which we also saw in person. Then those same miners, asked a "traditionally witchdoctor"... to bless them so that NO BULLETS will hit them... (on their way to "negotiations"...) Then, those same "blessed miners" went to the meeting, with weapons... Then those same miners, attacked and SHOT AT THE POLICE FIRST... All caught on video recording. Then, when the Police, for whom I have absolutely NO RESPECT .. had to defend themselves.. resulting in the deaths that occurred. But, as these very same South African black population are very well exercised in, they played it out as a "massacre"... WHICH IT NEVER WAS. You see: Unfortunately for your sorry arse, thousands of us were also present and employed there at that time. Many of us, had to be escorted by the Police, from our workplaces, as these very same Black miners (yes, Blacks, as the whites did not participate in those criminal actions) burned tyres and blocked the roads... So if you, with your libTURD values and libTURDS twisting of facts, really want to make a video and want an income with facts... why don't you make one about lawyers who were publicly prepared to sue these unions for the destruction of property and losses OUTSIDE parties occured due to their ongoing criminal actions? It is because of people like you distributing false facts and twisting the narrative that the FALSE MARIKANA MASSACRE are spread.. Get your facts chronologically straight!!

@st_lusse

2 күн бұрын

26:33 the white officer leaning on the Isuzu bakkie clearly signaled with his hand for his members to stop firing and they did stop.

It's insane 600m a day divide by 6000 workers equals 100k yet mine workers back then earned less than 80k a year.

Bruh wtf!? I just learn about this massacre for the first time last night while talking with some of my more historically aligned friends. I saw the footage, which is brutal but how do I learn about a 2012 massacre yesterday and you put out a vid on it today. Wild

@eadweard.

26 күн бұрын

What makes a person "historically aligned"?

@The-truth-is-valuable.

13 күн бұрын

... This was my comment above: Simon should get his facts straight. Why don't you get your facts straight? CHRONOLOGICALLY!! 1st... those very same miners, MAIMED and KILLED two of the mines's security guards.. just doing their job. - We witnessed it. Then those same miners destroyed mining property to the value of millions of rands. Which we also saw in person. Then those same miners, asked a "traditionally witchdoctor"... to bless them so that NO BULLETS will hit them... (on their way to "negotiations"...) Then, those same "blessed miners" went to the meeting, with weapons... Then those same miners, attacked and SHOT AT THE POLICE FIRST... All caught on video recording. Then, when the Police, for whom I have absolutely NO RESPECT .. had to defend themselves.. resulting in the deaths that occurred. But, as these very same South African black population are very well exercised in, they played it out as a "massacre"... WHICH IT NEVER WAS. You see: Unfortunately for your sorry arse, thousands of us were also present and employed there at that time. Many of us, had to be escorted by the Police, from our workplaces, as these very same Black miners (yes, Blacks, as the whites did not participate in those criminal actions) burned tyres and blocked the roads... So if you, with your libTURD values and libTURDS twisting of facts, really want to make a video and want an income with facts... why don't you make one about lawyers who were publicly prepared to sue these unions for the destruction of property and losses OUTSIDE parties occured due to their ongoing criminal actions? It is because of people like you distributing false facts and twisting the narrative that the FALSE MARIKANA MASSACRE are spread.. Get your facts chronologically straight!!

The whole situation is awful and typical of the violence in SA. Unfortunately the strikers weren't completely innocent and the horrible deaths of the security guards, mineworkers who refused to strike and the policemen tells me that this was a violent group who didn't think anything of hacking people to death if it suited their cause. I have a lot of sympathy for the policemen in this situation. Knowing what happened to their colleagues you have to put yourself in their shoes being faced with this group. Their fear must have taken over in the situation. I recall that there was also some influence from a rival union?

Don’t trust Unions, or Politicians. Cut from the same cloth imo.

I remember the videos. It was madness

As a South African fan of the channel it refreshed to see this historic event covered here, the newly elected Cyril Ramaphosa ordered those shots thus envoked the war

Am from South Africa and your analysis of this incident is spot on!

"along with lousy pa..... and poor living conditions" (the "y" in "pay" is cut out) ? would youtube block that statement?

Genuinely surprised me since it seemed no one took any real accountability, I was 12 ish I think. One of those surreal things that you will never forget

So - native Africans are against slavery - as long as they're not the ones holding the reins. And this happened in the most civilized country in all Africa - imagine what happened between the Hutu and the Tutsi where hundreds of thousands died in massacres.

@brendonnel6593

17 күн бұрын

Loool who said we the most civilised country in Africa.

Holy shit this makes me wanna cry.

@The-truth-is-valuable.

13 күн бұрын

... This was my comment above: Simon should get his facts straight. Why don't you get your facts straight? CHRONOLOGICALLY!! 1st... those very same miners, MAIMED and KILLED two of the mines's security guards.. just doing their job. - We witnessed it. Then those same miners destroyed mining property to the value of millions of rands. Which we also saw in person. Then those same miners, asked a "traditionally witchdoctor"... to bless them so that NO BULLETS will hit them... (on their way to "negotiations"...) Then, those same "blessed miners" went to the meeting, with weapons... Then those same miners, attacked and SHOT AT THE POLICE FIRST... All caught on video recording. Then, when the Police, for whom I have absolutely NO RESPECT .. had to defend themselves.. resulting in the deaths that occurred. But, as these very same South African black population are very well exercised in, they played it out as a "massacre"... WHICH IT NEVER WAS. You see: Unfortunately for your sorry arse, thousands of us were also present and employed there at that time. Many of us, had to be escorted by the Police, from our workplaces, as these very same Black miners (yes, Blacks, as the whites did not participate in those criminal actions) burned tyres and blocked the roads... So if you, with your libTURD values and libTURDS twisting of facts, really want to make a video and want an income with facts... why don't you make one about lawyers who were publicly prepared to sue these unions for the destruction of property and losses OUTSIDE parties occured due to their ongoing criminal actions? It is because of people like you distributing false facts and twisting the narrative that the FALSE MARIKANA MASSACRE are spread.. Get your facts chronologically straight!!

And now the circle is complete. Now when does this stop ?

This is so well researched and reported, that it’s blowing my mind (down to the workers having second families where they work). Love your work.🙌

Can you do a video on Thomas Cochrane? The British naval officer

❤ south africa and its wonderful people. Miss it alot

@patrickcannell2258

26 күн бұрын

I am sure you don't miss its government!

@Adam-zr9qy

26 күн бұрын

I just really hope theres change during the elections now

@marcbeebee6969

26 күн бұрын

@@patrickcannell2258 i was a german loving there during and after the Worldcup. Everyone was very nice. Once in the foreigner office in capetown a American lady bribed her way in front of me and then they closed infront of us 😄. So no real harm. The officers where very nice

@Tony.795

26 күн бұрын

@@marcbeebee6969 Apparently it changed quite a bit since then

Very sad

So many South Africans commenting just so they can say they are from South Africa lol

@r4dr4bbit46

19 күн бұрын

Spirit of Ubuntu my dude. :)

@user-di2cs4yi9t

18 күн бұрын

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