The Marble Machine comes to Life - Say Hello to 45 Degree Angles

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  • @Wintergatan
    @Wintergatan2 ай бұрын

    Hey and thanks to everyone leaving wonderful comments on last weeks video. It was great to see the positive reaction! BTW Don´t worry about the structural arcs in the sketch, they were only there to make a point that i forgot to mention in the video. I think making this machine as compact as possible will make it inherit some of the same type of beauty as the previous versions had. Now, on to some real world prototyping again, revisiting dropping marbles on bass :).

  • @Deqster

    @Deqster

    2 ай бұрын

    I'd love you too build off the aesthetic of mmx, it is a nice hybrid of steel and wood, and has that skeleton clock look you were talking about.

  • @oygemprime3864

    @oygemprime3864

    2 ай бұрын

    Definitely agree that compactness will bring in some of that beauty! The compact nature really makes the complexity that is there so much more apparent, since you can see in one place just how much goes into the process. Excited to see what comes next in the process!

  • @redmonkey3556

    @redmonkey3556

    2 ай бұрын

    You did say form by function, so I hope its functional.

  • @dilbert0815

    @dilbert0815

    2 ай бұрын

    the joints would be needed in any case would you go for the bigger maschine. There is no way to align a large mechanical contraption perfectly in stage. You would need to decouple modules anyway using cupplers that allow angle variations as well as smaller misalignments. And thats the crux of the stage-wide marble maschine. So making it compact is an outright necessity of being portable. Else you end up as the equivalent of an organ-maker that needs a immobile building to install his contraption.

  • @davidwilson6577

    @davidwilson6577

    2 ай бұрын

    Please tell me you can ditch the wings :)

  • @secondengineer9814
    @secondengineer98142 ай бұрын

    I can't wait to go to the Marble Machine concert and stand in a grid pattern with 5000 other people

  • @awesomestuff9715

    @awesomestuff9715

    2 ай бұрын

    I'll be in row 56 column 1083

  • @Grombags

    @Grombags

    2 ай бұрын

    I did think it looked a bit like a fascist rally! 😯 Also, a very silly way to stand to watch something in perfect rows behind eachother. Needs to be staggered to give everyone a 'window' 🤭

  • @thundermagnet

    @thundermagnet

    2 ай бұрын

    Don’t forget, we must all have our arms straight out, lifter 45 degrees!

  • @robertholtz

    @robertholtz

    2 ай бұрын

    @@thundermagnetHaha! You beat me to it. Perfection.👌😂

  • @nixtarma

    @nixtarma

    2 ай бұрын

    Make sure you have your all-gray sweatsuit too!

  • @plutoplanet4275
    @plutoplanet42752 ай бұрын

    One of the most mesmerizing things about the two earlier machines was seeing the marbles going up ladders, spirals, through gears and staircases. Prominently display the marble paths.

  • @sleeptwitch8950

    @sleeptwitch8950

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed. It's a musical marble run structure. That's what's fun about it.

  • @noeperard8843

    @noeperard8843

    2 ай бұрын

    This is the key factor. Deep down, we're all kids that love marble runs.

  • @Schmidtelpunkt

    @Schmidtelpunkt

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed. And those paths are the least important for timing, so going wild with them won't hurt the function.

  • @innertuber4049

    @innertuber4049

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@Schmidtelpunktwell... not sure how much of the MMX process you watched...

  • @Schmidtelpunkt

    @Schmidtelpunkt

    2 ай бұрын

    @@innertuber4049Oh yes, I forgot about the planetary gears... maybe going wild but not too wild would be the better option.

  • @dansegelov305
    @dansegelov3052 ай бұрын

    Hey Martin. DO NOT use cardan/universal joints. They do not transmit rotation evenly! The rotation speed on the output rises and falls twice per rotation. You will lose the tightness you've been chasing. You need 'constant velocity joints' (CV joints.)

  • @paavokaleva

    @paavokaleva

    2 ай бұрын

    That was my first thought when I saw cardan.

  • @marcinkowalczyk647

    @marcinkowalczyk647

    2 ай бұрын

    @@paavokaleva concur !

  • @user-wo7rl4nm7w

    @user-wo7rl4nm7w

    2 ай бұрын

    Like this until martin sees this

  • @jonasdaverio9369

    @jonasdaverio9369

    2 ай бұрын

    He showed a double cardan joint. A double cardan joint is CV joint. By the way, I'm pretty sure someone on his Discord engineer server is aware of that.

  • @SteevyTable

    @SteevyTable

    2 ай бұрын

    What he showed on screen does transmit constant velocity as long as you get your angles right.

  • @jarongittinger
    @jarongittinger2 ай бұрын

    it took 7+ years for Martin to have the epiphany that he was correct in the beginning that this machine is a piece of art and not some impossibly flawless engineering masterpiece.

  • @vhat2

    @vhat2

    2 ай бұрын

    In another 7 years he will be in the other side again

  • @grahamthomas9319

    @grahamthomas9319

    2 ай бұрын

    When you finally reach the conclusion your childhood dream was spot on, then there is nothing more to do but go for it. It’s the audacity to believe that takes people forever to attain, after that it’s just hard work and a whole lot of fun.

  • @suvidani

    @suvidani

    2 ай бұрын

    Haha, let's wait 3 months. :D

  • @ppprime98K

    @ppprime98K

    2 ай бұрын

    Ehm that's how he went for almost 7 years... and hitting rock bottom because of his fundamental mistakes. I personally think that his chasing this early on the design can be another project killer if he lets his "impulse" to take again, and i would suggest Martin building each piece first and then seeing how would connect together, As far as i know he has done only proof of concepts of specific parts of the machine like the speed control mechanism and the marble drop accuracy, but not the module as a whole, his MMX downfall was that as a whole didn't function properly from the beginning he put the machine together, I hope this just doesn't turn in another failed project.

  • @skedfinger

    @skedfinger

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ppprime98KMaybe the problem is not the goals, but the method. Maybe.

  • @odw32
    @odw322 ай бұрын

    Above all, I love the change in your mood & motivation, it seems to have changed from "Help, I'm stuck in a gray cubicle and I'm forced to design machines" to "Life is an amusement park, engineering is a tool to turn wild dreams into reality!". Fun is truly an essential requirement, it's the grease which keeps the artist/engineer going!

  • @Schmidtelpunkt

    @Schmidtelpunkt

    2 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately it comes at a point where the modular concept has not been proven to work in the first place. Instead it added a layer of complexity to a task which on its own is already impossible to accomplish. But the failing will probably be more fun to watch that way.

  • @awogbob

    @awogbob

    2 ай бұрын

    I'm sure you have achieved a lot and have a lot of joy in your life

  • @felreaverguy

    @felreaverguy

    Ай бұрын

    @Schmidtelpunkt shut up dork

  • @LJBisbee
    @LJBisbee2 ай бұрын

    Honestly, it feels like Martin is back. Watching him have fun these last few weeks have been great

  • @watchpath5019

    @watchpath5019

    2 ай бұрын

    Martin passion is contagious. I feel like everything will go for the best on this project from now on.

  • @yannmassard3970

    @yannmassard3970

    2 ай бұрын

    nah you missunderstood what s happening. A 49 yo slim wearing man completely lost who s trying as much as he can to re exist. That s what s hapenning. He s completely delusional. Egocentric, and depressive (he is depressed).

  • @Nooticus

    @Nooticus

    2 ай бұрын

    Agreed

  • @GudasWorld
    @GudasWorld2 ай бұрын

    A marbal waterfall that you stand under? You can wear a hardhat. A hardhat with LED. Maybe make the hardhat like a cymbil. The possibilities are endless.

  • @gaspode8

    @gaspode8

    2 ай бұрын

    Thought of the same idea. 😀

  • @pizzatheface

    @pizzatheface

    2 ай бұрын

    Floor marbles… *shudder!*

  • @jazzman616

    @jazzman616

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@pizzatheface Make the platform a grating with a funnel underneath. Probably won't catch everything, but it could be viable

  • @IvoTichelaar

    @IvoTichelaar

    2 ай бұрын

    You're thinking of his brother ;-)

  • @paulbeglane5489

    @paulbeglane5489

    2 ай бұрын

    If he agrees to wear a Devo hat for protection I support this.

  • @Simred69
    @Simred692 ай бұрын

    you basically took an angle grinder to the old design. it never dies

  • @prebenkul

    @prebenkul

    2 ай бұрын

    Thats because the MMX was poorly planned, the frame wasnt allowing him to add and remove things he wanted to change. So the only way was to angle grind and then weld the next piece. But imagine if he had designed it form by function, imagine how easier it would be. I'm certain that if he makes MMX 3 with all that he has learned, it will succeed.

  • @alexandrecosta2567

    @alexandrecosta2567

    2 ай бұрын

    Pain is temporary, glory is forever

  • @PabloEdvardo

    @PabloEdvardo

    2 ай бұрын

    @@prebenkul exactly, he now understands the reason behind modular design, but also that you can create modules within space contraints

  • @leftcoastfunk

    @leftcoastfunk

    2 ай бұрын

    at least this time he did it before it was built, right?

  • @eveleynce

    @eveleynce

    2 ай бұрын

    it's always much easier to angle grind on paper than on metal

  • @marinertheraccoon
    @marinertheraccoon2 ай бұрын

    Consider "Constant Velocity Joints" like the axles in front-wheel and 4-wheel drive cars use, they don't have the consistently problem of universal/cardan joints.

  • @macedindu829

    @macedindu829

    2 ай бұрын

    And they're readily available as car parts.

  • @d455ave

    @d455ave

    2 ай бұрын

    This. Or bevel gears.

  • @TitoRigatoni

    @TitoRigatoni

    2 ай бұрын

    A double cardan joint (as he showed) solves the consistency problem. It is a type of Constant Velocity joint.

  • @paulomtambos567

    @paulomtambos567

    2 ай бұрын

    I was about to say that

  • @paulomtambos567

    @paulomtambos567

    2 ай бұрын

    @@TitoRigatonigood point.

  • @kamnxt
    @kamnxt2 ай бұрын

    regarding the car engine bay comparison, it might be modular but that doesn't mean some cars don't have parts that need to be accessed often hidden deep and requiring significant disassembly haha. making something compact yet easily repairable/modifiable is a real challenge.

  • @SteevyTable

    @SteevyTable

    2 ай бұрын

    He showed a car that didn't do too badly if the cousin to it that I'm driving is any indication. (WRX vs my Impreza) Except spark plugs. Those suck.

  • @grahamthomas9319

    @grahamthomas9319

    2 ай бұрын

    It’s also not really a priority anymore either. These new cars are basically iPads with wheels. I have an air cooled VW. If it has gas and spark it runs. I do most of the work in a lawn chair.

  • @Roomsaver

    @Roomsaver

    2 ай бұрын

    @@grahamthomas9319The car he showed is a 2008-2014 WRX, not exactly an iPad on wheels

  • @RabbitDamnIt
    @RabbitDamnIt2 ай бұрын

    Martin: I want to play the tightest music on a mechanical machine and it needs to be perfect and I can tour with it Also Martin: Let's build something 4 time bigger and more complexe with much more moving parts

  • @minerscale

    @minerscale

    2 ай бұрын

    Bigger simplifies it significantly! At least it's easier to take apart and put back together. Which will have to happen in hours with no margin for error in the context of a world tour. A denser machine is not simpler! This is a bit more spread out. The animusic thing is ridiculous I must say but it's too cool to dismiss. All it's missing is a kinetic finger the size of a two story building.

  • @RabbitDamnIt

    @RabbitDamnIt

    2 ай бұрын

    @@minerscale bigger light simplify a lot of things as you are more free to make adjustments and they can be a bit less rigorous. Maybe it's easier to separate elements and make modules (easier with different workgroups and easier to disassemble). But it's Martin, je will want to have the notes played perfectly. And synchronising thing a bigger scale can also be a big challenge.

  • @RabbitDamnIt

    @RabbitDamnIt

    2 ай бұрын

    He will also have to deal with the weight of components, thing he had a less to worry about in small machine. Materials will have much more physical constraints. Anyway, like a lot of people, it's hard to finish projects. And easy to start new ones.

  • @volrath__

    @volrath__

    2 ай бұрын

    The problem with the MMX though was everything was a compromise to fit the form factor... That's why he is moving in this direction... Give the modules space to actually function as intended, you can always shrink things later... You actually see this a lot in high tech developments... Prototypes of tech are normally massive (most games consoles start life looking like a VCR from the mid 80s or a tower PC). Only later do they shrink and gain the clean aesthetic we know. When a team is designing an F1 car the first running engine/power unit is massive and laid bare, it wouldn't fit in a car if they tried! They then refine and shrink the design to get the same output in a smaller unit... I know it's counter intuitive, but having things spread out will help make things function better and play tighter music... As long as the system can be driven reliably (my one concern right now is inertia)... Because there is less compromise, less things in the way, less complexity.

  • @Mark_LaCroix

    @Mark_LaCroix

    2 ай бұрын

    @h__ One of Martin's biggest mistakes of the past few years is one you're making with that analogy. He's not designing either a consumer product or a professional, optimized system. He has problems that "high tech" product designers don't have which he has been ignoring, but worse, those designers have all sorts of problems that Martin doesn't have, yet has been spending way more time trying to solve those problems. He's not designing or building a mass-produced item like a Tesla or an iPhone, or a performance-tested system like an F1 engine, so most of the lessons learned from those designers' processes are of absolutely no use to him. You're talking about making decisions that would need to be tested in a competitive environment (whether a market or a racetrack) and then refined and iterated on before perfecting them in... a MM7 or MM8? Assuming the MM3 is a success, is Martin even going to build a MM4? Is that the goal? Because a finished MM is not a product with a lot of users, nor will it get a lot of use (even if he played a live show with it every week for multiple years), what actionable intel can he possibly hope to gain from its deployment that could even be brought back to the drawing board to refine that process you're talking about? That's one of the reasons that the MMX (and until now the MM3) stalled, sputtered, and was frequently reinvented. He thinks he's doing all this testing, but he's thinking like a product designer not an inventor or artist. He needs to *make choices* and stick with them, and he needs to be less flexible. This requires a lot more faith and trust (and seemingly needless redundancy and error margins) in his design, in the absence of the precise raw data he'll *never* be able to collect (no matter how many marble drops he does). Yes, it also means major consequences if he makes bad choices, but he has to decide now to live with those choices, rather than continually keep his options open until he finds the perfect, and most efficient, flexible, adaptable solutions, because there's fundamentally no way he'll ever get there on this project.

  • @roippi3985
    @roippi39852 ай бұрын

    This is a slippery slope. What’s next, 30 degree angles? Semicircles? *Elliptic curves*?!

  • @CharlesGriswold

    @CharlesGriswold

    2 ай бұрын

    Absolutely. I would love to see some elliptical curve joints in the finished machine.

  • @kbouwman64

    @kbouwman64

    2 ай бұрын

    Bezier?

  • @squirrelwood8008

    @squirrelwood8008

    2 ай бұрын

    Quantum entanglement! Send the marbles through other universes!

  • @xhivo97

    @xhivo97

    2 ай бұрын

    Cryptographic marble machine

  • @denziljoe

    @denziljoe

    2 ай бұрын

    Infinitely tighter angles

  • @BattleGrown
    @BattleGrown2 ай бұрын

    Next step: "guys this machine can't play tight music, function must come before form!"

  • @Kandralla

    @Kandralla

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah... I think that's coming. If you put form before function then just save the time and money and make a painting. That's not to say that form doesn't matter, but a pretty airplane that can't fly isn't an airplane and it's much harder to make a working airplane than it is to make a pretty airplane.

  • @MrJosch700
    @MrJosch7002 ай бұрын

    I would actually argue that's beeing part of beeing a good engineer. Not just dismiss everything a designer comes up with, rather work together with the designer and create a beautiful mesmerizing product

  • @verdatum

    @verdatum

    2 ай бұрын

    It's also when to spot a feeping creaturism, and when to say "NO!" And this can take a lifetime to master. It makes the difference between projects that NEVER deliver, and projects deliver and blow people away even if you have your regrets about what had to left out, and (shudder) Star Wars: Special Edition. NEVER GO FULL GEORGE LUCAS.

  • @thomasbecker9676

    @thomasbecker9676

    2 ай бұрын

    "Beeing?" Also, Martin isn't an engineer.

  • @user-bc7cb8uu7e

    @user-bc7cb8uu7e

    2 ай бұрын

    You also can't say yes to everything the designer wants either. You have to find the balance between design, function, and deliverability. That's what makes a great engineer.

  • @TimothyFish
    @TimothyFish2 ай бұрын

    The "steam punk" comment is spot on. That's, essentially, what you are creating. The governor should be very visible. Have you considered actually powering it with steam?

  • @Kaepsele337

    @Kaepsele337

    2 ай бұрын

    Steam whistles!!!!

  • @woowooNeedsFaith

    @woowooNeedsFaith

    2 ай бұрын

    No. He powers it with punk.

  • @AoiKaze2000

    @AoiKaze2000

    2 ай бұрын

    @@woowooNeedsFaithMaybe Steampunk marbles powered by steam?

  • @intagliode
    @intagliode2 ай бұрын

    NO TO UNIVERSAL JOINTS IF YOU WANT TIGHT MUSIC. The Cardin joint or universal joint velocity changes the steeper the angle of the joint becomes. That is why CV joints (constant velocity) are used on vehicles to remove this issue.

  • @TitoRigatoni

    @TitoRigatoni

    2 ай бұрын

    A double cardan joint (as he showed) does not have this problem. It IS a constant velocity joint.

  • @intagliode

    @intagliode

    2 ай бұрын

    Very true. For double joints.

  • @SaintNath

    @SaintNath

    Ай бұрын

    Legalize it! Oh wait...

  • @Ludix147
    @Ludix1472 ай бұрын

    At this point I have simply accepted that this channel is just reflections on projects in general and it's no longer about building the marble machine.

  • @Ludix147

    @Ludix147

    2 ай бұрын

    Actually I think I would like a music focused episode again at some point. I always liked those!

  • @Meatpie007

    @Meatpie007

    2 ай бұрын

    Don’t you want to see a new prototype for marble gate version 612

  • @douglascaskey7302

    @douglascaskey7302

    2 ай бұрын

    I think Martin needs to decide what he wants to be when he grows up... a Musician that makes music, or a wanna be designer / engineer that just makes KZread content?

  • @Meatpie007

    @Meatpie007

    2 ай бұрын

    @@douglascaskey7302 Mmmm Patreon Money 🤤

  • @Oxtorayk

    @Oxtorayk

    2 ай бұрын

    back in my day Wintergatan was a band putting out albums. 11 years of this machine madness.

  • @pizzatheface
    @pizzatheface2 ай бұрын

    Martin, I would even contend there is a third reason we are following you on this journey: The artistry of the videos. You have combined three different artistic media in an amazing way!

  • @osculant

    @osculant

    2 ай бұрын

    This is something I’ve been saying all along. After abandoning MMX, he moved to a engineering/cad/webcam model and it just didn’t have the same charm. It always seemed like not being able to take the machine on a world tour was a failure of his to produce art, when in reality the reason many people came and stayed was because the videos were the art we were seeking. Along with whimsy was music; having a soundtrack to a video of a cnc machine was somehow cool. Recently I’ve felt a return to the previous era and I’m excited for it. Also when you think about it, let’s say he books a wildly successful world tour, 100 cities and 1000 people per city, that’s 100,000 who will get to see it on tour. About 3-4% of total subscribers. If I had to guess, closer to 99% of subscribers will never see it in person by the time it’s done. Which is really all just to say, most of us are here just to watch the process. And personally as long as the process is entertaining, I’m fine with however long it takes and how ever many changes he makes. And glad he seems a lot happier and inspired by the project.

  • @wgolyoko
    @wgolyoko2 ай бұрын

    I'm so happy. I can see people playing music anywhere, but there's only place I can watch someone play a marble machine. The heart of the project is being cool :)

  • @thomasbecker9676

    @thomasbecker9676

    2 ай бұрын

    When was the last time Martin played a marble machine?

  • @kentslocum
    @kentslocum2 ай бұрын

    So glad to see that I wasn't wrong about the older designs; no one wants to see a purely functional machine--there needs to be an element of superfluous magic! 😊

  • @HappyJackington
    @HappyJackington2 ай бұрын

    A serious problem with the Cardan (or universal/U) joint is that it is not a constant-velocity joint. This means that as it rotates, the output shaft will speed up and slow down relative to the angle between the input and output shaft. What you want to use if you go down this route is Constant-Velocity (or CV) joints. They are specifically designed to eliminate this issue with Cardan joints. CV joints are surprisingly common and used in any front-wheel drive car. It is how the engine motor delivers power to the wheels of the car through a changing suspension angle. That would be my bet to keep your music tight while allowing for this angled setup.

  • @TitoRigatoni

    @TitoRigatoni

    2 ай бұрын

    A double cardan joint (as he showed) does not have this problem. It IS a constant velocity joint.

  • @starblaiz1986
    @starblaiz19862 ай бұрын

    Engineering is all about the HOW. Art is all about the WHY. I'm so happy to see you beginning to realise that and bring these two important aspects of life together in this project! 😊❤

  • @HadynLander
    @HadynLander2 ай бұрын

    Martin discussing technical engineering details: interesting enough, I guess. Martin excitedly detailing his art project: the purest joy. I respected the project either way, but I'm so glad to see this return to playfulness!

  • @andresparedes-vincent2851
    @andresparedes-vincent28512 ай бұрын

    this video feels like a huge step forward in the right direction that you could only take after spending so long working on fundamentals. It's like we say in visual art, you have to learn the rules first before you can break them.

  • @cube4547
    @cube45472 ай бұрын

    i have watched your videos on and off for years and gotten inspired in multiple ways, and i want to say this... i think the charm of the original marble machine is in how raw it was. it's not about funny marbles or about a highly complex machine making music... it's about someone making a machine that can play beautiful music out of wood and Legos. it's about all those marbles on the floor. it's about action/reaction. it's about the joy of crafting something

  • @PixelBrushArt

    @PixelBrushArt

    2 ай бұрын

    THIS. I loved the jank of it.

  • @KatePhiz

    @KatePhiz

    2 ай бұрын

    It was put together on instinct not CAD drawings. I don't think the new process is able to deliver anything as fun as the first two machines.

  • @r.e.m.s

    @r.e.m.s

    2 ай бұрын

    Cardan joint are non linear, you should take care when you use them

  • @petercolquhoun2086

    @petercolquhoun2086

    2 ай бұрын

    A constant velocity (CV) joint may be needed to keep the rotation speed well, constant. @@r.e.m.s

  • @Tech_Marauder

    @Tech_Marauder

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes, but MMX had a slightly different charm that’s equally valid, which was a beautifully and articulate engineered look, which is what he’s going for now. I personally like the MMX a lot more than the original.

  • @Thomas_wur
    @Thomas_wur2 ай бұрын

    U-joints/Cardan joints causes the angular velocity to oscillate throughout the rotation (for a constant angular velocity of the input shaft). While on average it will be the same, at moments it will spin faster or slower than the input shaft

  • @brianmeyer2699

    @brianmeyer2699

    2 ай бұрын

    Consider rzeppa joint instead.

  • @g_glop

    @g_glop

    2 ай бұрын

    That can be solved using a double cardan shaft with correct phasing and alignment, or a double cardan joint. Still, the middle piece won't have constant velocity and will generate vibrations

  • @jdmjesus6103

    @jdmjesus6103

    2 ай бұрын

    This is wrong, using a double u joint as shown cancels the effect (provided the angles are equal).

  • @AlexanderNash

    @AlexanderNash

    2 ай бұрын

    Yep, but morons keep repeating this@@jdmjesus6103

  • @Mark_LaCroix

    @Mark_LaCroix

    2 ай бұрын

    The cruel irony of this is that that amount of oscillation is likely small enough to still play "tight enough" music, especially at the BPMs he wants the machine to play at, but when Martin sees all the comments about it he's going to have an identity crisis. Like, how important is "must play tight music" to the project, really? Should it still be the first priority? Second?

  • @silivrengamer
    @silivrengamer2 ай бұрын

    I think your thought processes show what kind of artist you are. I ALSO think that going back to basics and finding the things that would take away some of the faults of the other machines was a GOOD thing. Once you did all that, you can step back and say, ok, now what? This is THAT. This is the point in an oil painting when you’ve finalized your sketch and are starting to commit it to the canvas so you can paint it for real.

  • @gaboc.r251
    @gaboc.r2519 күн бұрын

    The “some part of the audience has already left” 1:42 was AAAMAZING

  • @valentine9586
    @valentine95862 ай бұрын

    YES, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT! a soul of the machine, not a perfect music playing square with perfect timings like a computer program, but a music machine that has its own unique sounds, and nieches!

  • @IsaacDaBoatSloth
    @IsaacDaBoatSloth2 ай бұрын

    the idea of the huge marble tracks is a very functional way to ensure they dont run out of marbles

  • @TheSunsetHero256
    @TheSunsetHero2562 ай бұрын

    Exactly what I was hoping to see from Martin for YEARS now: Make it functional, then make it beautiful. His recent efforts have sussed out a solid design for marble playing music. But it looked boring. Making it something that can carry the spectacle of the previous two machines is a good next step.

  • @pururmur
    @pururmur2 ай бұрын

    I think Martin is financially motivated to build his marble machine indefinitely. He's been building it for at least 6 years!

  • @mrbfox1775

    @mrbfox1775

    2 ай бұрын

    Because the goal is the KZread revenue, not the “world tour” or completed machine.

  • @altwouss

    @altwouss

    2 ай бұрын

    He cancelled his Patreon when ending the MMX. If the funds were his goal he would not have done that. And he would have milked the MMX by producing all kind of songs.

  • @impablomations

    @impablomations

    2 ай бұрын

    It's become a grift at this point

  • @pururmur

    @pururmur

    2 ай бұрын

    @@altwouss I don't understand the combination of his meticulous approach to creating every detail and the failure of the original concept. This should have happened much earlier.

  • @akukelilipan
    @akukelilipan2 ай бұрын

    And here we are, rocking forth between forms and functions 🤣

  • @DEO777
    @DEO7772 ай бұрын

    By the time this project is done, the only spinning wheels at the concert will be Martin's wheelchair as he rolls on stage at 90 years old.

  • @bzqp2
    @bzqp22 ай бұрын

    When it gets so big it stops being an instrument. Octobasse is the limit Martin.

  • @bzqp2

    @bzqp2

    2 ай бұрын

    The MM and MMX were beautifully compressed. You could see a very complex, top-heavy machinery-cube standing on grotesque looking thin legs. They were both perfectly proportional with regards to the operator. It was something between an instrument and... a musician on its own. Just like the "Strandbeests" are not only machines but also characters with personality. The design you are showing us now feels much too exploded. It becomes a part of the scene, a weird background.

  • @lvn5609

    @lvn5609

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@bzqp2 Yeah that's what I thought but couldn't word to myself

  • @MaMastoast

    @MaMastoast

    2 ай бұрын

    @@bzqp2 I agree. What I liked about the previous versions is that it felt like a single, complex, object.

  • @dhyanais
    @dhyanais2 ай бұрын

    Perfectionism is a tough trade.

  • @louleke77
    @louleke772 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you're returning to a design more artistic, more intricate, with more wheel visually wheeling. It's what made the magic of the first two one for me!

  • @benjacobsonn
    @benjacobsonn2 ай бұрын

    So glad Martin changed his perspective of MM3. If he was going for strictly functional, he would’ve made the whole thing with solenoids and been done 2 years ago. Using marbles to play music is inherently artistic, and the machine should reflect that. Now this isn’t to say the machine doesn’t need to be well engineered and have well-defined requirements, but I say bring on the fun!

  • @ppprime98K

    @ppprime98K

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't because he hasn't built anything beside proof of concepts of parts

  • @panzudo007
    @panzudo0072 ай бұрын

    The new design looks like an amusement park where a group of friend can come a play... and make music along.

  • @Awesomes007
    @Awesomes00713 күн бұрын

    My heart and mind just exploded with the excitement and creativity from the early days of this insanity. I see a huge stage, and a huge array of marble machines. Marbles of all sizes! Lights connected to sensors that connect the sight of the audience to the music and motion. Lights emphasizing the movements. Giant marbles swooping gracefully around the audience, building anticipation and excitement of the notes about to happen.

  • @niels1917
    @niels19172 ай бұрын

    Not sure why nobody wants to swim, but someone needs to dive in and save Martin. It feels like he is drowning for the past 4 years...

  • @kungfuhskull
    @kungfuhskull2 ай бұрын

    Watching the second video with this new vibe. Glad to see you having more fun and I'm looking forward for the journey ahead. Thank you

  • @rismosch
    @rismosch2 ай бұрын

    I've been watching this video with a big grin on my face. This is it. I think you've rediscovered the magic that made me follow your journey in the first place. Godspeed! And best of luck!

  • @kurtiswilkes538
    @kurtiswilkes5382 ай бұрын

    1 step forward, 2 steps back. CLAAAASSSSIC!

  • @TenkoFoxx
    @TenkoFoxx2 ай бұрын

    So happy! It's much more important the machine looks cool and mesmerizing than have it playing with a standard deviation of 0.6 milliseconds. ❤

  • @patrycjuszsinkiewicz6935
    @patrycjuszsinkiewicz69352 ай бұрын

    After watching this video I can only say one thing. Welcome back Martin

  • @rravotti
    @rravotti2 ай бұрын

    I'm so glad to see this video. I was so worried the soul was bleeding out of the machine. I want nothing more than for the Marble Machine to be a spectacle of harnessed chaos.

  • @Danny-sb4jd
    @Danny-sb4jd2 ай бұрын

    HES BEGINNING TO BELIEVE. I've been waiting for this episode. You've become so capable with your engineering process that its time to add back in SOUL. Once you've fully nailed the timing and dropping of the marbles, why not make their path back to escapement more entertaining for the audience.

  • @DrewLind_
    @DrewLind_2 ай бұрын

    I absolutely love the idea of putting all this awesome engineering on display! A functional AND beautiful machine will blow everyone's minds. It will be the 8th wonder of the world!

  • @deadmanschest4322
    @deadmanschest43222 ай бұрын

    nice side effect of "the 45° angle", the Marble Machine also looks much more like an orchestra

  • @seanszarkowicz2910
    @seanszarkowicz29102 ай бұрын

    Best news since you started the new version of marble machine!!! Cant wait to see the new design, this is way more interesting again!!

  • @OrbvsTomarvm
    @OrbvsTomarvm2 ай бұрын

    he woke up and smelled the coffee.

  • @riuphane
    @riuphane2 ай бұрын

    Funny you reference Animusic, because that's how I found you and why I started following! Just remember that it's a computer simulation, not an actual real life machine, so don't expect the same level of perfection or precision. While those are elements that make a CGI video fun and satisfying, we're more interested in seeing it work generally than making it perfect!

  • @mindthemoods
    @mindthemoods2 ай бұрын

    Glad to see ya finding some joy working on the artistic side of things! An elaborate design philosophy is good, but it's nice not to get too caught up in efficiency and whatnot.

  • @kgiantdomino2795
    @kgiantdomino27952 ай бұрын

    I absolutely love the positive tone of this video. Lately I've been rewatching some early videos of MMX back when you had just moved to france and you were amazed by the provencal light and doing timlapses of the starry night sky. When, in that context, I watched last week's video, I was kind of down, it felt like you were finally admitting that maybe your vision was not an achievable goal and that really bummed me (again I have been following since the time you were assembling the cnc router in a shipping container ). But now, seeing how positive and motivated you are, it's contagious ! The way you don't give up is absolutely incredible. I have no words to say how much I want to encorage you. You are making all of us dream so keep it up Martin !

  • @sammybeasley9599
    @sammybeasley95992 ай бұрын

    Loving the new look Can't wait to see it in person!!

  • @ENDESGA
    @ENDESGA2 ай бұрын

    Dude I'm so happy for you, I can tell there's a huge fire lit underneath you - pursuing this from a creative lens is the best way to go. I cannot wait to see how this goes

  • @krishrox1015
    @krishrox10152 ай бұрын

    i first started watching wintergatans MMX videos back in 2019 when i was 12, as someone who eagerly wanted to get into mechanical engineering you have been such a great inspiration for me, being 17 soon and having to try to get into the course, ive always loved your vids, and have been watching every single one of your vids for 6+ years, ive loved you since day 1 and will still till the end of time. Thank you!

  • @EZnevets
    @EZnevets2 ай бұрын

    "Needs more cowbell" I personally think it should e a 360 degree performance so the audience can surround the machine and the nutter who made it.

  • @matthewparker9276

    @matthewparker9276

    2 ай бұрын

    Agree. That lets everyone get a bit closer to the machine to see the details too.

  • @Seviinz
    @Seviinz2 ай бұрын

    I love how you can get it so invested every week. I love the direction the Marble machine is heading

  • @hieroben
    @hieroben2 ай бұрын

    The best thing is seeing you having fun again with this project! This should be your first design requirement.

  • @SandyWalsh
    @SandyWalsh2 ай бұрын

    Can't make a marble gate work ... "Let's build a 787 aircraft!"

  • @JanBinnendijk
    @JanBinnendijk2 ай бұрын

    I love the new design!.. with the big wheels visible, you can see them rotate, working to keep the machine going.. seeing these big wheels, makes the machine look like a machine, not a "Still Construction" I imagine using a Screw conveyor for the marbles.. these also look good making the marbles go up like the bubbles in old Jukeboxes

  • @19ACE93
    @19ACE932 ай бұрын

    Wow, that would look really impressive! I especially love the backdrop marble lift, which was one of the most visually-appealing elements of the previous machine. In a previous video, people were talking about the danger of having the flywheel perpendicular with the crowd, and at 7:27, I felt it. The new orientation is so much better, awesome job!

  • @JosiGold1
    @JosiGold12 ай бұрын

    Marin- Dont worry guys, this is not feature creep Also martin- I am going to build an animated percussion instrument that plays different things with the same marbles! All jokes aside, still looks cool and ill still watch the process. Also look into better joints that transmit rotation evenly, the ones you showed will probably mess with timing

  • @Jesse_Carl
    @Jesse_Carl2 ай бұрын

    So glad you are back to thinking about a small machine. I think the refrigerator size of the first two were so important for making the magic.

  • @br52685

    @br52685

    2 ай бұрын

    What part of this is small?

  • @Jesse_Carl

    @Jesse_Carl

    2 ай бұрын

    @@br52685 He says verbally that he is going to compact it.

  • @br52685

    @br52685

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Jesse_Carl he says a lot of things….but doesn’t deliver.

  • @Jesse_Carl

    @Jesse_Carl

    2 ай бұрын

    @@br52685 Lol, you can always just unsubscribe and stop watching. I'm just here to enjoy the journey

  • @BandsawsAt45Degrees
    @BandsawsAt45Degrees2 ай бұрын

    Your usage of 45 degrees pleases me. The things you make are just incredible!

  • @grunions9648
    @grunions96482 ай бұрын

    The whimsy is back baby! I love this. I really think that the wonder of automatons is in how elaborate they are compared with the optimum method of achieving the same results, which means that inefficiency for the sake of art becomes an advantage. My favourite part of the MMX was the magnetised gearwheel lift, mostly because of how incredibly cool and unexpected it looked, but also because of the baroque de-magnetization process which followed it - completely inefficient but full of the kind of elaborate complications which inspire intrigue and wonder.

  • @gsbguitarsgsb679
    @gsbguitarsgsb6792 ай бұрын

    That video is one of my all time favorites ever… So good to know it is a major influence on your project. Everything about this is so inspiring and makes me motivated towards creativity. Thank you…

  • @cavemann_
    @cavemann_2 ай бұрын

    Let's go! I love seeing all the intricacies of the marble machine at work!

  • @teleCodes
    @teleCodes2 ай бұрын

    I love that you are embracing playfulness into your desgin! I myself for my mental health am embracing my true desire of making my engineering designs harder and harder to accomplish, even if they end up not being made. Engineering is my artform, and even if it is more difficult or i produce less, the results have more soul.

  • @turevedin9968
    @turevedin996824 күн бұрын

    One thing that is cooler about the other marble machines is that they look like tall statues, towering over you while you make them play. This design still looks more like a table. But it's moving in the right direction!

  • @complexunit
    @complexunit2 ай бұрын

    I think this video nicely shows with great enthusiasm what Martin missed for a long time: to dream and making your dream come true. It's really uplifting to see you kinda childlike when thinking about how the audience might react to the machine.

  • @SolarGranulation
    @SolarGranulation2 ай бұрын

    It is so inspiring, and such a relief, to see you going back to the artistic origin of the Marble Machine. It will be wondrous!

  • @directrix777shinyshinyamyt4
    @directrix777shinyshinyamyt42 ай бұрын

    I audibly said “YOOOOOOOO” when you put the flywheel governor at the top of that arch! That would look SO COOL! I’m super excited to see where things go from here!

  • @danieltandello5074
    @danieltandello50742 ай бұрын

    Don`t call it stupid, it is a project of a lifetime, a work of art, your masterpiece.

  • @briangindling1266
    @briangindling12662 ай бұрын

    This is really breathing much needed new life into the marble machine!

  • @tobyzxcd
    @tobyzxcd2 ай бұрын

    Most excited I’ve been for the marble machine for years :) I’m loving this new attitude Martin!!

  • @valdir7426
    @valdir74262 ай бұрын

    "that's bells and whistles" yeah litterally

  • @QuestionMan
    @QuestionMan2 ай бұрын

    The dream is ALIVE!!! This wanton fever dream of imagination is what audiences crave.

  • @oliverjd26
    @oliverjd262 ай бұрын

    You had me at Animusic. That is how I found the first marble machine video years ago when it first came out. Love this real life marble machine journey!❤😊👍

  • @MCRuCr
    @MCRuCr2 ай бұрын

    "We live on a tiny little stone going through space - what else should we do than have fun?" Martin for world president!

  • @qdHazen
    @qdHazen2 ай бұрын

    In hindsight, the Marble Machine should have been envisioned as a set from the start if you had a tour as the end goal. I'm so glad that you've come full circle back to your being an artist.

  • @shloink5310
    @shloink53102 ай бұрын

    I'm so glad martin went from all science back to the point of this machine... dreams and creativity.

  • @mcbeenb
    @mcbeenb2 ай бұрын

    it's soooooooo great to see you having fun! This is how its been for US all these years. Every week we get to tune in and watch real magic and bury ourselves in your fantasy. We love it!

  • @Yous0147
    @Yous01472 ай бұрын

    This is what I was missing, amazing to see your glow back Martin after the much appreciated enginering and soul searching

  • @LeeJtotheC
    @LeeJtotheC2 ай бұрын

    So glad Martin has fun and design back at the top of the menu, I feel a revived enthusiasm in him too

  • @Olichi60
    @Olichi602 ай бұрын

    Your new ideas are a big improvement to the overall design

  • @knofle
    @knofle2 ай бұрын

    I love this, Martin. Absolutely love the path you're on now

  • @Schmeeky455
    @Schmeeky4552 ай бұрын

    After Marble Machine X there was the epiphany that the next machine had to be thoroughly engineered, which has reaped great rewards.. But this latest epiphany that the machine needs to be fun will be I think the making of it. The engineering is necessary; the fun even more so. Can't wait to see what happens next.

  • @nickcox2481
    @nickcox24812 ай бұрын

    This is awesome, I love the new design direction showcasing the internal moving parts of the machine. I think you should go even bigger. Make the gears and flywheels behind you bigger and more numerous! That's why skeleton clocks look so good, because the wheels and gears dominate the visual mass of the device.

  • @SethCohn23
    @SethCohn232 ай бұрын

    One Piece. Gonna call Martin "Martin D Luffy" now... His quest for the One Piece

  • @Dysonsphere42
    @Dysonsphere422 ай бұрын

    I was looking forward to the purely functional marble machine, but I'm truly excited for this new one!!

  • @pontusoskarsson5998
    @pontusoskarsson59982 ай бұрын

    Martin one and a half weeks ago: Minimal viable product. Martin today: Minimal LOVABLE product.

  • @keiz_
    @keiz_2 ай бұрын

    The biggest issue I see with the current design of the marble machine, if Martin wants go on tour is he'll need shipping containers if he plans to go on tour with something like that.

  • @ApfelJohannisbeere
    @ApfelJohannisbeere2 ай бұрын

    I follow you now for a long time since the first marble machine and you are as well inspiring us in return!

  • @gizanked
    @gizanked2 ай бұрын

    Between last week and this week all I can think is that kinetic fingers are back on the menu.

  • @ps.2

    @ps.2

    2 ай бұрын

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • @ferenckozar5898
    @ferenckozar58982 ай бұрын

    Maaaartin! It's amazing, now you're on your path! It will be wonderful!❤

  • @ferenckozar5898

    @ferenckozar5898

    2 ай бұрын

    Btw, I specially love the governor on top, is like a crown on the whole project! I would have a question to you, if you don't mind. Can we get in touch in private, please? Tak, hejdå😊

  • @zisumevoli96
    @zisumevoli962 ай бұрын

    This is awesome!!! I cant wait to see what you have in mind for the bass!

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