Bonus Unused Track! In a GT5 trailer for the Toyota FT-86 Concept they showed a mystery mountain course that was never seen again: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yq2OurCLg9a0h9Y.html This track was most likely never meant to appear in the game anyway, but it’s still pretty interesting to see. It reminds a bit of Eiger Nordwand and looks like it would’ve been pretty fun to drive. Maybe it was unused course maker location, who knows? Something else interesting about this trailer is that the driver model is just a regular person - no helmet or racing suit - which is something that has never been seen in any Gran Turismo game ever.

@RickettsJr

2 ай бұрын

It kinda reminds me of Circuito de la Sierra from GT6, at least after the tunnel sequence in the trailer but obviously it's not this track.

@5uperbadgaming79

2 ай бұрын

its like a mixture of deep forest and eiger nordwand lol

@JinteiModding

2 ай бұрын

Looks like the early version of Eiger Nordwand that was seen on early builds of GTHD premium. As a side note: the Ferrari California trailer has a unique stretch of mountain roads not seen anywhere else, some say its the Stelvio pass in italy @Roflwaffle16

@luissalgado9378

2 ай бұрын

Do you remember the town that the extended version of the london circuit took place? Really nice video btw. Edit: pls continue making these type of video, they're My favourates.

@hendrihendri3939

2 ай бұрын

SSRX Infield will forever be a cult mystery And it wont be put to rest until we can see the official render of it. From Polyphony themselves.

This channel single-handedly got me rebooting a PS2 and playing GT4

@MMOchAForPrez

2 ай бұрын

I have it on a PS3 😁 It gives me easy access to the whole GT series up to GT6. Even if GT4 is the only one I want to play lol

@thebaffman4898

2 ай бұрын

I legit bought a used copy of GT6 and booted up my PS3 just because of this channel, while I'm also playing GT4 on PC. Now I wanna collect them all 😂

@randomguy4616

2 ай бұрын

Same Just starting replaying GT4 again lol

@alessandrocongiu6471

2 ай бұрын

Same again but also with gt3

@GT7-wonky

2 ай бұрын

boy do I feel silly only discovering this channel just the other day, big thanks from me also very much for all this great inspirational material and with such insight/quality - first class

The Route X infield is the saddest missed opportunity to me. I’d love to see that track location be more than a glorified (but useful) speed test for my customized cars. Half pipe sections with the realistic physics would be so silly but so fun!

@Fay7666

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I want that with the glitched Escudo. Sounds like a lot of fun.

@FurryestX

2 ай бұрын

There is a mod for Assetto Corsa that brings back that layout to life

@zippy825

2 ай бұрын

Those banked section have been driven in gt6 no collision data to drive up them but you can see how it has more details than the PS4 version kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2ihmdmBkqXFk84.htmlsi=cWcISW6V2v9r-u54

@rosaria8384

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the container port section of Route X deserves to be a full track in itself.

"They probably didn't want to port over tracks from the PS2 to the PS3." *ports over a majority of the cars from PS2 to PS3*

Everytime I think I have reached the limit with Gran Turismo knowledge, Roflwaffle proves me wrong.

The real reason Seattle Circuit never came back is because the layout used up to GT PSP doesn't exist anymore. The freeway overpass you see at the start on Alaskan Way was demolished in 2019, and the final chicane would run through the parking structure next to where the Seattle Seahawks play [American] football

Theres another hidden gt concept track that i love alot, and its SS_Snow Its literally just that one snowwy photomode location from gt4 but its an actual circuit which you can drive laps on meaning technically you could do a 24 hour race on it

It sucks that Street Tracks would never return to Gran Turismo, the closet thing we ever got despite being actually a highway track is Tokyo Expressway in GT Sport and 7.

@jeroenpruim6330

2 ай бұрын

why is that

@ApocalypseMoose

Ай бұрын

​​@@jeroenpruim6330Kaz has stated in an interview that given how much detail telemetry goes into making newer tracks as high-definition and realistic as possible, especially with real courses and locations, accurately laying out a city course would take far more time and effort than would be possible.

GT sport’s forest track has since been removed from the files in GT7. Pretty sure it’s where the cafe takes place now but it isn’t driveable. Also, some of the new layouts of the existing tracks such as Nurburgring and Catalunya existed at the launch of GT7 before making their eventual appearance in a later update. I should still have beta footage of catalunya’s rallycross on my channel.

The GT Sport forest 'track' layout looks like a simplified Eiger Nordwand K Trail

I love how the gate in the GT Concept's Motegi (10:00) literally says "Motegi road test production in progress", along with a length and elevation of the track. It gives a nice "under-construction" feeling.

That forest stage in GT Sport, woulda been sick for Karts!!!! Speaking of Karts... Kart Space woulda been cool too.

@Seanthefox

2 ай бұрын

It's a shame we didn't get a forest stage, it looks fun!

@ablationer

2 ай бұрын

Or hell even just a tight road rally track. Do they even do those anymore?

I preordered GT5 back in the days and Piazza del campo was very playable until the very first or second update. I think that you if can find an early copy of the game and you launch it WITHOUT updates, you can race on it

Even though the series was almost 3 decades, there's still so many hidden contents unveiled until now Man I'm old

I remember the long thread on GT Planet for linking SSR5 to SSR11 and even SSRX, creating SS City. Good times! 👍🏻

God I wish that GT Sport track was useable in the base game. I'd love to have a tight touge stage like that.

i'd wager gt1's end was definitely intended as a credit roll because mario kart ds has a very similar circular track with a background on 1 side and nothing on the other which was actually used in its final version as a credit roll

When are we going to get the many secret videos of roflwaffle There's something interesting about Motegi South and that is the blue Griffith just sitting there on the track with its hood up. Always found it interesting why a blue Griffith and why does it have its hood up

@buddybrandongc5063

2 ай бұрын

That's his OnlyFans account...

@tristanraine

2 ай бұрын

Now it's just the secret Scapes

@olivermikolajuk4631

2 ай бұрын

Maybe it’s „Why GT7 is the greatest Gran Turismo of all time” lol.

@noelwhite6650

2 ай бұрын

Because its a TVR and they are always breaking down.

@SonicBoone56

2 ай бұрын

​@@noelwhite6650 Lmfao

15:02 it still looks like El Capitan, just, decades before the one we know

GT Concept have a fair share of leftover tracks from GT3 including the SSR11, Test Course and Monte Carlo. Fun fact about the removed Siena kart track from GT5. The back box cover for the European version of GT5 still includes a screenshot of said track. Also, according to the 1609 QA build that was dumped online few years ago, Siena was meant to appear as the third event of The Grand Tour in Special events. The track itself doesn't load because it have been removed by then. In the final game, it's now a point to point race on Toscana.

Special Stage Route 11 was so good, i used to call it the christmas tree track cause of all the trees on the straight away LOL

i rarely ever comment on videos but with me watching your content for so long now i have to say, this video was incredibly well made and had me glued from start to finish! keep it up man 👏

@jeffmustard77

2 ай бұрын

U like gran turismo?

Special Stage Route 11 is always the one I want to make a return, you can never have too many street circuits set at night time in my opinion.

There’s just never enough of this type of content. A seriously huge “thank you” for all this amazing bonus GT content. There is a real comfort, knowing that there are so many of us that truly enjoy all of this extra trivia for a series that (despite what some of the nay-sayers think) just keeps on giving. THANK you. Sinecerely, Fan since 1997. Three cheers to you, Brother… …and Long Live Gran Turismo. \m/, 😊 ,\m/

I think out of all of these the one that intrigues me the most is the Northern Isle Speedway one. Just the fact that it's seen in one trailer for a few seconds and never again is very odd, wonder if it will ever come up if GT Sport is somehow datamined. The completely whack SSRX layout is very interesting too, would've been super fun to drive on, especially with the Tomahawk

If we ever get a Track Creator for GT7, I'm sure a lot of people will recreate these

I do miss Special Stages Route 5 & 11 from past games. Especially the original version of Route 11 from GT1. Sure, it was one of the hardest circuits on that game, but it felt super rewarding when you mastered it. Having both version on Gran Turismo 3 would have been cool

14:55 the beta version of El Capitan is closer to the real life layout of Yosemite

Xiaoyu's stage theme from Tekken Tag Tournament for the PS2 (which you used as one of the BGM for this video) was composed by Keiichi Okabe.

9:48 EB110 ?!?! 😯😯

@funalky

2 ай бұрын

i was about to comment the same thing!

@aojracing4885

2 ай бұрын

Wow, I didn't notice that. Where's that video from??

@user-hf2hg8ln5e

2 ай бұрын

I found it. On xtimelessgaming. Hidden cars & tracks, 51:00. EB110 looks like Tommy Kaira ZZ with extra large wheels. Kinda sad thought

@user-hf2hg8ln5e

2 ай бұрын

Yep, but it looks like Tommy Kaira ZZ with extra large wheels. Nothing really interesting despite the fact that Kaz really planned to put Bugatti in GT long time ago

Heard that Polyphany tried to get Spa into GT2 but couldn't. One of the license test courses has a corner that strongly resembles Eau Rouge and Radillion.

During one of the world tour events in the GT Sport era, there was an onboard video from the Hungaroring. The actual point standing board was shown between races and beyond this board was this onboard video with dark blue lense in the background. I live 25 minutes from the Hungaroring, I go out literally every event. Once I told this to the headmarshall and he told me, yeah the gran turismo team has laser scanned the track already but they couldn't agree with the Hungaroring staff about the rights of the advertising boards so it will never going to be in the game. This conversation was in 2019.

Since we can only see many of these from trailers or game builds from public shows, as a player it makes me feel lied to and that Polyphony digital are committing fraud. Considering how many removed tracks look complete, I cannot understand why removing them was an option, especially if they had been publicly seen already. Imagine if GT had concept art or early screenshots in their own GT museum section in Sport and 7. That makes everything much less suspicious.

At some point someone has to sit with Kazunori and interview him about all this stuff.

This video is amazing… I own a PS4 and PS5, but I just ordered all GT games from 1 to 6, and I’m getting the consoles too. I need to experience these games.

Please keep doing this! Gran Turismo is one of the best franchises to me, I played every single game since GT2 and I still love spending some time in GT7.

I was hoping you would talk about the secret Special Stage Route X layout

I thought I saw that the purpose of the Route X course with the big cants and such was for the suction "fan" cars and the Vision cars? As for the track I'd like to see return: Seattle circuit. I LOVED that track!

41:24 I believe that in cases of these unused assets being hidden in plain sight, it's likely the developers working on the game and staff responsible for trailer footage intentionally may have left Easter eggs like them out of frustration for having to cut them, imagine being one of the likely many people who were porting and remaking those 81 unused tracks in GT5 only for the higher ups to essentially say "we changed our minds, we don't want these in the game" and because corporations will have NDAs in place for employees to prevent unwanted leaks from the source the best way for them to get the evidence out there is to do so discreetly. I know if I would be told the work I put in would be wasted, I would absolutely do whatever I could to make sure somebody can find out about it even if it's all "speculation" on their end.

14:52 I was thinking Cathedral Rocks Trail but it does share some parts of El Capitan too Well funny that you mentionned that right after :D

Honestly, it shows how professional PD is and probably a bit of the Japanese mindset of trying to deliver, what is expected. I honestly liked what they prepared for GT5 and GT7, looking at the tunnel for example on the SS Route X or the stunt arena. They didn't want to bring the PS2 quality for the port tracks, which sadly killed them from appearing. I wish Gran Turismo would include a "Classic Mode", where you are able to drive on old tracks and maybe a fun / sandbox mode for stuff like the arena.

In all honesty, the Infield Layout of Special Stage Route X would be insane! You can see so much, I‘ve been digging on the first corner last month and you can even see the „racing line“ around the corner. It‘s quite clear at the very top. It would be a great addition

i remember in gt2 you could get out of bounds at laguna seca. supposedly there was a hidden drag strip above the pause icon.

Can't you see a bunch of jgtc racecars at GT Arena in the intro of gt6? I thought you couldn't get cars to race there.

I wish they kept the death chicane from GT1

Here's a fun track in 3 words joke... "Northern Isle: Are you BRISTOL!?" (Track has a few design elements that were based on Bristol Motor Speedway in Bristol, Tennessee, like white logos on the apron and a short track length. Bristol is a track used for NASCAR and at one point, The World of Outlaws.)

Great video as always!! You just made me realise why I love Gran Turismo so much ❤ I'm saddened by my lack of interest in newer titles and replaying of old games, as the latter makes me feel like I'm in a time capsule, all on my own, playing a game nobody really cares about anymore and getting fascinated by them has no use as there is nothing to look forward to.

At this point Gran Turismo has no secrets left

25:11 love the "funk goes on" from yakuza kiwami! fidnt think you could put a brawling music to a break down video about race tracks!😂😂

What about the vegas track that was cut from gt4 that was used only as a drag strip in the final version?

you missed the early version of the eiger nordwand road course seen in early builds of GTHD Concept, it has a much more technical layout and felt like a road rally stage ever more than its final version before it got changed into the final course design we all know also, regarding london, the track actually was confirmed to be the second "premium" track for the game alongside eiger back when GTHD was being planned to be a full game, it's very possible that an earlier design of london was planned just like the early design of eiger, but got scrapped and changed into the final smaller version we have now

Damn it now i really want that wild ass GT arena kart track

I was taken aback by the Xiaoyu Theme music. Did not expect that lmao.

You're the best Gran Turismo creator I've found on YT! I've been playing 3 lately and I can't get enough. Keep up the good work.

15:40 you were right on the dot. I literally knew it was el capitan because it had a certain familiarity to it for some reason?😂

Me sad Me see Roflwaffle posted Me happy 0:00

@zufupo

2 ай бұрын

r/youngpeopleyoutube

13:25 this track reminds me a lot of Empire City, impressive

that gt5 bombshell was the most devastating. was expecting to see most of the stuff which was in gt4 but they axed most of it.

For now, the SSRX infield is kinda revitalized in Assetto Corsa mods, so in case you kinda wanna know how it looks like Anyway, I kinda want to see, either the forest track in GT Sport, all those GT Arena secret layout, or even SSRX infield returned in GT as a track, or GT7 update. Would be kinda cool

Citroen built a real-life version of the GT Concept and drove it around the "London track" back in 2009; I can recall reading an article from a car journalist who went for a ride-along saying that a representative of a Saudi Prince told the driver that they want to buy it at any price (it made the supercars in Knightsbridge instantly irrelevant to car spotters). Citroen also said they were going to put it into production but this was in 2009 when the GFC was in full swing and it probably never went into production for the same reason the VW W12 didn't; who would spend 6 figures on something with a Citroen badge on it?

Praying some of these come to GT7, though I am not counting on it at all

That last version of GT Arena is... wild. It certainly would be fun to drive at with the elevation.

GT5 was so ahead of its time. Still my favourite.

I love the way you say 'gaem' with your accent lol. Love your videos too

15:44 El Capitan if it were in *_Need For Speed_* or *_Ridge Racer._* Yeah, I went there. ... I'm impressed by just how much people have uncovered, really. Now imagine racing on Ridge Racer circuits with GT engine physics. Oh wait, has that been done already?

Especially on the subject of GT Arena, I think it's mostly development constraints/timelines/licensing deals and the sort of stuff that makes game development so complicated at times. I don't really think it's any particularly malicious tease or anything, just, for example, screenshots from early dev stages before they tested stuff that didnt work or they wouldnt have time for. That said, loved the video as always

That second Forrest track would be awesome for some togue racing

Would love SS11 to return in GT7. my god what a circuit the GT3 version was. I must of driven a good 1000 laps around it, especially in the Clio Cup and DTM Calibra. Also would love to see Route 246 back.

You forgot to mention an unused track in GT5 that looks like "The Top Gear Test Track" but it really looks like "Salzburg Airport" for me. It's an unused track that was first seen on GT5 E3 2009 trailer, GT5 AGS 2009 trailer, Mercedes SLS AMG trailer, from a Japanese TV commercial called "We Love Cars", from photo location mode which is called "Red Bull Hangar-7" and from Red Bull X2010 challenge special event intro cutscene. GT5 E3 2009 trailer shows Mazda 787B and Audi R10 TDI drag racing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a21lucWodbPdkps.htmlsi=WZaFEQXT97hxjokU&t=103 GT5 AGS 2009 trailer shows an airplane chasing Mazda 787B and Audi R10 TDI: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q2Su0LmCdc7egrw.htmlsi=yCxwuhHdT0b-jmPT&t=85 Mercedes SLS AMG trailer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6Fnxdtwpa6bmtY.htmlsi=L7846P6lPsg04_dU&t=34 We love cars commercial: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYGXu8ignd3gj9I.htmlsi=-hzaT3kYt0F904DN&t=29 Red Bull X2010 challenge: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fpNntcmalNzIh9o.htmlsi=iucWq2N4vQLAjAw4&t=103

I wish and pray for an update on GT7 with the track “complex strings” that was my favorite track to time attack when I was younger.

that's the kind of content i love keep on man, you are doing great!

The only reason I can think of as to why PD put the screenshots of the track was as a cool easter egg, nothing more, nothing less. Devs love to leave little nods and treats for dedicated players combing through the game looking for details, and I don't doubt that PD are any different in that regard They've done this for years with things like the monkey and the Loch Ness monster on trial mountain, and more recently cows being abducted by aliens in GT7, screenshots hidden in plain sight is just an extension of that imo

I love when you use tekken tag tournament soundtrack, it is remind me of my childhood.

@kamilelevevo8410

2 ай бұрын

And then "Funk goes on" from Yakuza Kiwami, you are Godlike

Xiaoyu's theme from Tag 1 snuck in there

11:01 I have seen it in gt6 under the go cart missions. It was I think labeled as a GT track which was also inside a dome but the track layout itself is more or less the same. Could be that I'm mistaking it for this track 35:12

There's an unused kart track off the Turn 2 complex in High Speed Ring in GT7. You can drive it on a modded PS4, but it might be visible normally on replays.

I know way more about the secret cars than I do tracks, frankly because cars are way easier to remember. Not to mention text strings often refer to actual car models. Meanwhile secret track names could may as well be codenames for ones we actually got.

RoflWaffle never fails to fill us up with GT knowledge

Happy belated Saint Patrick's Day and happy Easter! Glad to see you again. Still think you need to start an ASMR channel based on engine and exhaust notes!

Some of these are on the GT PSP Mega Mod, give em a go ;)

@JinteiModding

2 ай бұрын

Only the 6 playable tracks tho, 3 of which only work on emulator. They havent been fixed

I'm surprised I guessed the early version of El Capitan. Granted, I originally thought Eiger Nordwand, but scrapped that guess when you said GT4

To be honest the content Roflwaffle makes is the best.

Best videos on youtube rn roflwaffle is killin it

Honestly, a lot of people hated the standard cars but I didn't mind that much. Maybe it helped that for some time I was playing on a CRT TV, so I couldn't see much of the bad graphics, plus the fact it was before I discovered I was starting to need glasses. I even experimented with replaying GT5 recently in 480p widescreen on my monitor, and thought it helped too with hiding the ugly. So for those tracks, looking back, especially as we would see some standard cars get improvements in GT6, it would have been really cool if we had standard tracks too. Just adapted a little better for the new game, like how on most of the tracks shadows from the scenery aren't cast on your car, since they were baked in, and on PS2 only programed to say how bright or dark your car was depending on where it was, the shadow wasn't too detailed. Shadows cast from cars also don't fade out on the scenery shadows. So if these tracks had shadows that worked like on PS2, just adjusting the brightness of the cars, and fading out the cast shadows, including the GT5 car shadows being cast on the car itself fading away, it could have worked. Well, at least as good as the standard cars did. I guess if we just had AI Upscaler software back then, maybe it would have been enough for them to decide on including them. Though I guess maybe they might have had to only have them in optional events, extra events, extra races for certain events, or just arcade, time trial and online, which some people could like.

The gt5 tracks hurt me the most cuz i started playing gt on psp and all these fantasy track were awesome

The Seattle Circuit would be awesome, city track like Special Stage Route 5 & 11 namely all of them, but for the next update for GT7 and the next is a huge abysmal all they ever put in the game is new cars nothing more that's sad yo that ain't gonna get tears out and you that's how pathetic that notion is.

Great video as always.

Seattle for me, loved the licence test with the Ford GT40 in GT2, would loved to have seen it return in GT5 or 6.

I felt like such a genius when i guessed El capitan 14:59

@ShivanshEdla

2 ай бұрын

Same 😅

Haha, I knew you'd have the GT6 stunt arena left for last. It truly is the best unused track.

9:47 the car shown to be used in this footage on the left is EB110 assuming that it's the Bugatti EB110

I knew you gonna make a video about the GT tracks someday!!

Damn, the hidden track lore really hits hard.

25:12 THE FUCKING YAKUZA OST 😱😱

Another one? Bloody hell... few people manage to make so many high quality videos so quickly. Let's see what we've got here today. 😄

Ahh I remember the hype that NSX trailer brought. Never got that Seattle track :/

Amazing to think that with all these cool unused tracks and cars in its past history, GT7 and Polyphony is still foing bare bones for new content ideas. Bruh just go back to the past we'll eat up the old stuff no prob.

@noggin6870

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, honestly this just makes me annoyed with PD more than anything. Their insistence on doing far less content because they hold themselves to a standard so high that most players don't even notice the details they're putting in leads to objectively worse games.

So much wasted potential - the story of Gran Turismo. I'm not gonna write which tracks (and cars) I'd love to see (again), as it's just frustrating at this point. You may be right: much of what PD does (or doesn't do) these days seems like trolling players and press.

You should do a series on the origins of all the gt3 event background photos. Like the gt1 car dealership videos

@9:54 EB110? I don’t recall that being in gt concept😮