To think it started with a ban. Reminds me of the incident where an art school rejected a very passionate person.

@ethzero

2 жыл бұрын

#godwinslaw

@SoulGuitarMetal

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny that he was hired as a security analyst. What will happen when he gets bored of the job too?

@misham6547

2 жыл бұрын

@@SoulGuitarMetal That's the exact point of hiring him as an analyst, since he already can do harm. By hiring him as one you remove him from the dark market

@itiscujo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethzero Dang, beat me to it

@Cara.314

2 жыл бұрын

@@misham6547 yes....untill he gets bored. That was the joke

"I just provided to people what they wanted" That justifies anything. Even being a hitman.

@RiskOfBaer

2 жыл бұрын

Equating video game hacks to being a hitman? Really? I can see the point you're trying to make, but at least use an appropriate comparison...

@jacobbatchelor7877

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the human experience broski, enjoy your stay betwixt these shades of grey.

@ganjatheninja

2 жыл бұрын

yeah some people will pay thousands for digital products and id beat someone to death for thousands of dollars different aspects of life lmao

@michaelhutchings8599

2 жыл бұрын

@@ganjatheninja It's all about perspective ay! Motivation shaped by our surroundings.

@kurrwa

2 жыл бұрын

@@ganjatheninja for thousands? people gonna kill you for noodle soup don't overprices services

“they found out they could buy rocks at diamond prices” 1980s cocaine trade in a nutshell

I actually quit UO entirely when my 2 story house with around 2 million reagents (among tons of other items collected over a couple years of playing) was deleted less than 24 hours after i had paid the upkeep. I always assumed it was a server problem or bug of some kind. Now that i see this, and the fact that there was someone there collecting stuff almost immediately after it happened, i'm going to assume it was this bug. The only reason i was even there right away was because my brother owned the house next door and saw it vanish.

@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan

2 жыл бұрын

just sad ..... very very sad

@Furblesnert

2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan i did eventually go back, never got into it nearly as obsessively (the way i generally play mmos) but my dad had a similar hoard, and my brother had an even bigger hoard than either of us, so i could have kept playing, it was just so utterly deflating and demoralizing, especially thinking it was just a stupid bug on Origin's side. If i had known it was most likely a hack, i'm not sure if that would have made it better or worse. Thinking about it now, I do remember that reporting it, and having a GM show up, did absolutely nothing. Never heard back from CS, never got anything reimbursed. That's probably what ultimately led to me leaving completely.

@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, that was my next question "Did you report it?" That they did nothing about it makes it even more sad. Well...I think it was the beginning of MMOs and they were very inexperienced. The GM was not even able to recover your house and stuff most likely. It's still very sad for you as a player and your experience with the game. That a hacker did that to you makes it so much worse. The game means nothing to him. He spent some time hacking and making money. He was not attached to the game you loved. I am very amazed that he publicly admits to hack. I would be ashamed.

@Furblesnert

2 жыл бұрын

@@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan Yeah the house they SHOULD have been able to verify that i had just paid my upkeep a day or so before it poofed, but the contents of a house, as you said, it was early days of MMOs, and even Everquest had years before they had the back end tracking of stuff like trades, dupes, etc (and this happened a year or two before EQ even launched) I still have many fond memories of Ultima Online, just seeing this video and finding out about that hack really made me relive it a little, and made me consider just how much of an asshole this guy was, even if he said "i wasnt doing the really bad stuff" he still affected people in a massively negative way.

@xic777

2 жыл бұрын

@@Furblesnert thats really messed up that happened to you

On one hand he's right. He didn't do anything near as bad as he could have. On the other token I'd respect him more if he'd just own up the fact that he obliterated mmo economies to make money.

@geog26

2 жыл бұрын

Tokens or hands?

@65firered

2 жыл бұрын

He shouldn't just own up to it, he should own it. How many people can claim they destroyed multiple MMO economies, made tons of money from it, and got away with it?

@frankmarano1118

2 жыл бұрын

@@65firered Its why he should do both, he should own up to it AND own it. He did it because he could & didnt face any repercussions so why wouldnt he do it? It's kind badass in a way, but he should also at least own that he kind of messed these games economies up, & made people who actually spent dedicated time working hard on the game end up getting owned by rich kids

@65firered

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankmarano1118 Exactly

@PropaneWP

2 жыл бұрын

The biggest reason why he wasn't more malicious is because "you don't shit where you eat". He would have destroyed his own source of income. He proved that he was malicious from the get-go, when playing Ultima Online and ruining the accounts of his rivals for no other reason than "fuck you". This guy is 100% an asshole and there's nothing right about what he's done.

Great video but just frustrates me knowing I can probably never play an online game without people like this.

@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

That's on the devs. If they weren't lazy idiots who banned people who try to help, this wouldn't happen.

@commoguru

Жыл бұрын

@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD He wasn't trying to help, he was destroying the games economy.

@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD

Жыл бұрын

@@commoguru that's helpful

@robertdeckard2136

Жыл бұрын

There are several ways you can avoid people like this and still play online games but the methods of avoidance might not suit you. 1: Play less well known indie games. The game won't be targeted by hackers if they haven't heard of it. Also, since it's a less popular game, the playerbase will skew older. The sort of people who use aimbots, fly hacks, and the like are frequently trolling for a reaction. If there are no children and they can't get an overreaction from grown men and women they won't stick around. 2: Avoid mmo's or anything with in-game purchases and pay-to-win. Also avoid competitive shooters like Valorant, Rust, or whatever they're playing now. The hacking situation is so bad on these games that the games now come with "anti-cheat" software which is basically spyware. Look it up. 3:Play games that let you run your own server. Then whitelist it and only invite people you trust. Setting up a game server is usually easy. It can be done on your own machine if it's up to specs, or you can rent a cheap vps and have your friends pitch in. More difficult than actually setting up the server is having enough friends and "internet friends" with the same tastes in games.

@tomlxyz

9 ай бұрын

​@@robertdeckard2136so basically "don't play online games"

I legit can't get enough of this new video style. This stuff is incredibly interesting and your laying out of the story is objective enough to not be annoying, and flavored enough to not be boring. Good show m8.

"What i did is ok, since there are others who did worse" really is the worst excuse and shows the level of none-self-reflection Manfred and many others have. Great video Kira, interesting topic.

@Remixersoloman

2 жыл бұрын

Id agree if we weren't discussing duplicating items and selling them to impatient gamers. He sold duplicated items, vs scamming people out of accounts, stealing info, etc, etc that actual problematic hackers or scammers get into.

@Krytern

2 жыл бұрын

@@Remixersoloman Are you going to make an excuse for organ harvesters too? Because there are people willing to buy the organs. What a stupid excuse.

@Pryide

2 жыл бұрын

@@Remixersoloman I know what you are trying to say, but no: He single handedly crashed the game economy and even deleted the houses of other players, therefor lowering (and even ruining) the fun of thousands of players. Thats the whole point, yes there are worse scammers, but that in no way makes what he did "ok".

@Remixersoloman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pryide fair enough on that one but that's the only.time it got that bad, and no matter what it doesn't make the extreme hyperbole in the comments any less laughable. No matter how many gamers he made marginally angry for an extremely.small portion of their lives, it is not comparable.to fucking ORGAN FARMING.

@Chaelsonen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Remixersoloman 8:00 in, dude worked for a chinese vendor directly.

Manfred: **Exploit the game, selling gold and profiting from it** Game company: Does anyone have any ideas how to solve this problem. Dat 1 Dev: We can start selling the gold too. Game company: Good idea!

@Phenomatron

2 жыл бұрын

you can at least prove damages i guess in court if you have a price tag to the gold value?

@Palemagpie

2 жыл бұрын

If you can't beat em, join em

@alexanderwalkendorff7733

2 жыл бұрын

You pretty much described how and why drug legislation works.

@JonatasAdoM

2 жыл бұрын

The guy startted pay to win microtransactions before they were official! Really shows that the problem aren't the companies, but the players. The company just wants in on the deal.

@JonatasAdoM

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderwalkendorff7733 And you can tax it, while when it is illegal only the bootlegers get to keep the money. It's crazy how much cheaper rubbing alcohol is, when Vodka is actually pure alcohol.

I'm loving your latest videos Kira! They've been super interesting. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into making them

@KiraTV1

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure mate :)

@moshunit96

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Found his groove.

"if you just create infinite money, inflation just gets out of control" oh boy I wish the US government would understand that LMAO

@jcarrandson

2 жыл бұрын

Haha so true, I'd love a government bank account where you can just type in the amount you want.

@crystllclr3743

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you would think someone would have told them.

@mr_indie_fan

Жыл бұрын

@@crystllclr3743 we did. We voted for trump. 🔥

@tiredpoison5784

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_indie_fan trump is a wealthy business man who manipulates fake Monopoly money and with collateral and investments as well as any market manipulation just like any rich person in America. I’m not politically involved but idolizing any politician is doing the world a disservice and people who are tasked with making the world a better place should always face criticism before fame

Your videos keep getting better, the editing keeps getting better and the topics you choose to talk about are always interesting and novel. This is definitely one of my favorite YT channels right now.

@FreightmareFTW

Жыл бұрын

Repent and follow Jesus! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state. “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.) Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.) Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894) The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed. The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666

Basicaly, he made his fortune doing bad things and destroying economies for legit players in games to turn around and try to buy back his reputation by doing "good" after when he no longer need this as a stable source of revenue. and people will love this guy for it.

@kurrwa

2 жыл бұрын

yea sweet irony right? online robin hood xD let me steal money from you after 20 years you going to love lmao

@utc_3

2 жыл бұрын

Well you gotta give him some rep for not using these exploits maliciously. Not spoofing ips, installing trojans etc. But as M Nowak said: "online robin hood XD".

@timthetoolmantaylor9048

2 жыл бұрын

It's fascinating regardless. I mean it could be worse, he could be damaging something that actually matters instead of video games, most of which are dead now

@WinterReflections

2 жыл бұрын

I get why it's annoying and irritating to people who take those games seriously, I'm not begrudging you for that... But comments like this in regards to THIS story seem a bit melodramatic. He didn't actually commit crimes, he didn't take any real money from anyone, nobody was physically hurt or attacked, nobody was infected with malware or blackmailed. Unethical? Yeah... it sucks that people's experience in game was ruined. But in the grand scheme of things, it's impossible for me to be too made at this guy. I mean, come on.

@kurrwa

2 жыл бұрын

@@timthetoolmantaylor9048 so if I break into your home and take the fridge but I leave you a TV and tell fix that because I could take TV too it's fine? he is not better than people who hack your account and take your all items etc. he is a selfish individual who made profits multimillion profits from someone. he is the same as other black hats hackers doesn't matter he is lighter black lmao

lol He's so full of shit. Doing something bad isn't okay if someone else is doing something worse

@MisogynyMan

2 жыл бұрын

You just destroyed 99% of all political debate on both sides.

@chode-i-dis4119

Жыл бұрын

it is fucked but can't lie dude is pretty smart

@Cincy32

Жыл бұрын

This guy & gamers like him are heroes. The gamers who defend these online economies in games are pure simps & it's thanks to them that microtransactions & the general increase in in-game monetization coupled with a MASSIVE decrease in game quality has been plaguing video games so severely for well over a decade now. Video games shouldn't be allowed to have in-game purchases anyway unless they're very strictly only sold to adults as video games inherently target children & in-game monetization reinforces obsessive & destructive behaviors. If guys like this make you mad then learn to do what they're doing. Stop wasting your time & your money like a genuine loser farming imaginary crap that was a sloppy tacked on manipulative system that's not needed in any core gameplay component. I modded the GTA games beginning when I was 12 with GTAIII and I modded & exploited their systems on GTAV Online. Never got banned, never paid for a "Shark Card" & I never had to pay for anyone else to "hack" stuff for me. Get good & stop simping for these soulless, greedy companies.

Reminds me of the time I found a bug in burning crusade wow, 14 years ago, buying an item from vendor for a price and selling it to the same vendor for more, creating currency from nothing. I was too young to think about monetizing it and simply gifted away the exploited gold to random nice people I encountered in the world.

@jonnym4670

2 жыл бұрын

well maybe you can still do it on classic wow

@Onb3k3nd3

Жыл бұрын

same

@sjs9698

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnym4670 unlikely, classic isn't running identical code, it's a chimera of fixes & older stuff rather than the original version. still, only 'unlikely' it's only probable that the version they're running is the fixed ver.

I got a kick out of him saying that he wasn't going to negatively effect the players when everything he did hurt the playerbase.

@OrphanHart

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, in more ways than one. People don't understand how much getting easy money or gear affects games. It could lead to terrible experiences since the players don't have the required experience to match their load out, it could destroy the in-game market, it could lead to a housing shortage due to how easily they can be bought up, any PVP that uses equipped gear for stats would be totally broken, stat and gear cheats can ruin any race for world firsts, just lots of stuff he affects even if he's no longer destroying homes.

@jonnym4670

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrphanHart the games ruined themselves making 2 weeks' worth of content into a 6-month grind all so a year they could all be worthless

@S.O.N.E

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonnym4670 no

@yawnthedinosaur9566

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnym4670 don't forget getting time-gated out of content ... Here is a new patch, now come back every week for next 6 months only to do 30 minutes worth of work,

@jonnym4670

Жыл бұрын

@@yawnthedinosaur9566 the rep system was the worst I am starting to get into guild wars 2 I like the fact even though they create expansions they keep the old stuff relevant at the same time it still rewards for new content and it shows there will be just as many people playing there meta events from 8 years ago as thier stuff that was released last Feb

It has been a very very long time since I've heard an MMO-related story that I had never heard about before. Pretty incredible story! Holy shit.

I think the truly criminal action was the use of light mode in EVERY SINGLE SHOT OF CODE

@borispsalman

2 жыл бұрын

and the "movie hacker screen" with GUIs and shit when in reality it would look way more boring for average viewer seeing just a simple command line :D

@Shrek_Has_Covid19

2 жыл бұрын

fu ck you light mode is the best

@aromatic8565

Жыл бұрын

CE and x64dbg didn't have dark themes for a long time...

@Truesilverful

Жыл бұрын

I personally prefer light mode.

@willcummings4002

Жыл бұрын

@@Truesilverful who hurt you?

Just found your channel yesterday and I’ve binged quite a few of your videos now. Thanks for the super interesting content and keep up the great work!

He PAID his taxes, which is literally saying he paid insurance, in the case if he got caught that he wouldn't be thrown in prison for years for tax evasion. Don't steal, the Government hates competition and if you are stealing, pay your taxes.

@blackroberts6290

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahitsmesofkinwhat so the Joker is serious about his take on the IRS lmao

@suckonthebigtoe279

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahitsmesofkinwhat LOllers

@suckonthebigtoe279

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahitsmesofkinwhat but it's true just pay taxes, nobody cares if you chest in a game.

@padlasvillage

2 жыл бұрын

Just pay taxes. Government is biggest thief, you pay taxes everyday in store and yet they steal taxes from your salary. Be a sheep and pay taxes

@amphioxusanniversary

2 жыл бұрын

iirc, that was how they were able to get Al Capone for tax evasion. You can't say 'well, there wasn't a place to put crime-gotten gains, so I thought I didn't have to declare uwu'. It's pretty clever, tbh.

It wouldn't piss me of so hard if this guy admitted that he is greedy & corrupt instead of calming him not going after innocent players

@FreightmareFTW

Жыл бұрын

Repent and follow Jesus! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state. “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.) Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.) Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894) The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed. The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666

@jakobtheiner6329

Жыл бұрын

It's like in the real world, he's blaming the small time criminal who is doing dirty work which affects few people directly while he himself in this story acts more like a corrupt bank or government that kills millions of people/the game game itself slowly and in a less obvious way

You know, in the tabletop game Warhammer Fantasy, there was a character named "Mannfred" Von Carstein. A vicious vampire, whom fought against humanity using armies of undead. I find it fascinating that there is a real world Manfred who was just as much of a bloodsucking parasite as the fictional one.

@warlordnipple

Жыл бұрын

Lol, the horrible person who sold digital content to rich people. Much more evil than current companies trying to sell gambling to children. Or governments collecting taxes off the hopes of people playing the lottery. Or game companies with toxic work environments overworking and sexually harassing their employees.

@flacidfrank8410

Жыл бұрын

this one dident fuck up saving the world though

@nosoypaul21

Жыл бұрын

​@@warlordnipple you mistake that dude with someone who gives a damn and deserves a damn

Your vids are hella interesting, been watching em troughout gaming sessions. Learning allot about whats goin on online trough you, thanks for that my guy ! much appriciated !

Love this new direction for your channel, the last few vids have been fantastic. Nicely done sir.

He ruined game economies, and by immediate proxy -- the games themselves. He is not a "good" guy.

@RuskiVodkaaaa

2 жыл бұрын

who cares, games are a waste of your time. Atleast he did something productive in his life and becoming finicially independent. Also he is a 'good' guy, lots of hackers do way worse shit to people who play those MMOs. Malware and keylogging are much easier then what he was doing and are profitable in you can sell the accounts. He could have done that if he wanted and he didnt.

@someguy4915

2 жыл бұрын

@@RuskiVodkaaaa So because some people do worse things his actions are okay? Because there's serial killers it's okay to just kill 1 person because others kill more? Games are a waste of time? So then anything that is a waste of time in your books is okay to be destroyed? Even when people just enjoy something? TV is a waste of time, and because some hackers install malware it is now by your own words okay to destroy television?

@TidusleFlemard

2 жыл бұрын

@@RuskiVodkaaaa "games are a waste of your time" says the one watching video about games

@zipperman6045

2 жыл бұрын

They're video games good on him for getting the bag who cares

@Krytern

2 жыл бұрын

@@RuskiVodkaaaa 🤡

What I never understand, is why these accounts cant just be found via statistics. Like search the database for any player with over 10 trades of over 10 Million. Then take those 1000 accounts and throw them into a spreadsheet. If two people trade 200,000% more than the rest, then you have your offenders :/ Some games did this - where they searched for fastest dungeon completion time. Any accounts with sub 10 second clears were banned - as it took you at least 5 minutes to just run across the damn map - let alone beat enemies and bosses.

I can't lie and say I don't miss you uploading more often, but that's just because you've never made a bad video. This one is no exception ^^

it's crazy that he didn't view himself as a bad guy.

@blackroberts6290

2 жыл бұрын

deluded moment

@bararobberbaron859

2 жыл бұрын

'I could have done worse, so it wasn't bad' is one hell of a weak justification. 'I robbed 40 houses but I didn't kill any of the people sleeping upstairs' level.

@rolfs2165

2 жыл бұрын

We're all the hero in our own story.

@Sound_Spark

2 жыл бұрын

it's cause he's not.

@sophiab.282

2 жыл бұрын

he has a german name, im not surprised.

Imagine wrecking game economies and rival players because he can and then call yourself the "good guy" because there were worse offenders. He would make more money selling whatever drugs he used to justify that position.

@CleverCover05

2 жыл бұрын

@Bitten Apple well thats the exact reason I never play MMOs. Its reliant on everyone being there to have a good time. The moment someone decides to mess with something as baseline as the game economy for the lulz, it messes with everything else. You can't tell me just because I wasn't personally affected I can't think the guy was a teenage asshole.

@_wayward_494

Жыл бұрын

@Bitten Apple LMFAOO nah you are terminally online ☠ go outside bro

Geez, I always thought most of that mmo-money was from those farming sweatshops, where people multi-client farm as fast as possible, working in bad conditions for little money. It's amazing that he was able to get away with so much in so many games.

@SVanTha

2 жыл бұрын

seems like it's that way for WoW cause the dude couldn't hack WoW gold.

@yoma2977

2 жыл бұрын

Oh they definitely exist especially for wow

@frankcoley1537

2 жыл бұрын

Dude , when you can literally no life and learn python for free. Hell any programming for free ... That's a lot easier than sweating playing video games. If you're smart enough you can outsmart the other programmers. That's what he did. It's always bad when people who could of done more good with programming end up using it for bad purposes.

@architheftmusic1449

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankcoley1537 If they fired someone when i try to bugbounty for them for Conversing with me, i would do the same. if i had the knowledge i'd burn them to the ground

@SilphBoss

2 жыл бұрын

Bug bounties are not good with games. I tried reporting some and the game banned me. Bug bounties are worth it for websites and such.

I like that you've made this switch of subjects on your channel my dude!

Stellar! just Stellar Sir really am loving this newer format on the channel keep it up!! Quality stuff!

The fact that many companies now offer similar services doesn't mean what he did is ok, it means that in addition to destroying game economies and helping rich players get an advantage over everyone else, he also helped demonstrate to companies that there was another way they could profit off gamers, encouraging them to adopt microtransactions and pay-to-win mechanics by showing there was a market for them they could get rich off of.

This is why we can't have nice things, like player trading and auctions in MMOs.

Okay Kira! I see you with the editing. Really love how you're improving ur content :)

Your video format is very entertaining to watch and very informative! Great video.

So essentially he was the federal reserve of MMO's. Printing money as often and as much as he wanted, throwing it into circulation essentially causing rapid inflation and as the little people pay the toll he lines his pocket with money. The man should go into politics, he would be a natural.

@SplashgameFTW

2 жыл бұрын

Except people in politics don't actually get anything done... so he is massively overqualified.

@grogdizzy5814

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. He's a douche that screws everyone else while pretending to be a good guy

@omegacon4

2 жыл бұрын

Except no one voted this person permission to do what he did.

@Worms_Pro

2 жыл бұрын

Your written skills are beautiful :)

@venomdank965

2 жыл бұрын

I played Final fantasy 11... I finally got a Kraken club it gets stolen... I bought it for 50-60milish when I wanted to buy a new one it was around 120mil... I quit the game... Everything I worked hard for.. I still want one to this day on private server but seems im never gonna get it.. :(

Yeaaaaaaa he can moralize it all he wants, what he did was definitely exploitative

@sweetfry

2 жыл бұрын

Oh well, it's a video game. It doesn't actually hurt anybodies well being at the very least.

@DrakyrusGunther

2 жыл бұрын

I think his point is that he didn't mess with anything other than the games themselves so his actions weren't something that could be prosecuted. Yes, he ruined economies, but the games are the ones allowing people to inject data.

@socialistcatdad

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetfry yeah I mean there's something to be said for in game purchases being fairly exploitative all around, but in the scheme of things there's people doing much worse for sure

@kurrwa

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrakyrusGunther he isn't the real problem but games. If nobody would buy gold or items this market wouldn't exist. only people give mad values to those virtual items. I would never pay 10 k for virtual hammer that has no real value in real life after game is gone

@insanity2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@sweetfry Depends what you're on about.. if someone hacks ur account and makes u lose all ur shit thats pretty fucked up video game or not considering hours and money invested into a game. Theres crazy people that dump 1000s into some shitty games

This was an awesome video. Great job with this one

Just leaving a comment to boost the "Algorhytm" of this video. This is quality content and I love listening to this stuff while im working. Thanks for this.

You mean to tell me instead of farming for hours every day for 3 years, I could've just made gold from the thin air?😵

@aceous99

2 жыл бұрын

the strong eating the weak

@protic4

2 жыл бұрын

Rich people be like *smug*

@VenturiLife

2 жыл бұрын

It was NFTs back in the day...

I thought this was going to be a video about The Spiffing Brit :)

@jamestomlin5525

2 жыл бұрын

*sips yea approvingly*

Thanks for the work on this video. It was incredibly interesting.

I like the new video format a lot! I just listen a lot of the time, and having stuff to go back and rewatch is nice.

The amusing thing is how many times he like I would NEVER hurt the player base, yet proceeds to each time he would dupe, cheat or hack the games.

@Capnsensible80

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he's full of shit. Indirectly hurting the community by destroying the economy is still hurting the community. He wants you to think that because he's not directly harming them his hands are clean.

manfred calls THEM unethical while he destroys the entire game instead of just a few players.... manfred was unethical as fuck

wow crazy . man yr videos have got to be such high quality . love it . and what a time we live in .

great video!! wow, what a crazy story.

I remember hearing about him due to Defcon, but I never watched it so this was actually really cool to learn about. It does feel odd he basically got off scott free for a lot of crimes he openly talks about, but at this point I dunno if there would be anything they COULD do anyhow because they'd have to prove when he did them and with how long it's been on most of them (statute of limitations probably expired). Still dunno how I missed out on Wildstar, didn't know it existed till it was gone. Great video though Kira, they just keep getting better in quality!

@DeadEndGoose

2 жыл бұрын

Most of these kinds of things are covered by laws from the 80’s or prior, so unless they charged him with wire fraud, no one gives a shit.

@BriarLeaf00

2 жыл бұрын

@@TuriGamer Certainly not illegal, definitely unethical depending on circumstances and surely just a total buzzkill and why so many are so hands off when it comes to playing mmorpgs.

@EvileDik

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not illegal, the game publishers will jump through hoops to establish that nothing in their games have value, to the extent of denying that easily accessible secondary markets that sell in-game currency exist. If everything in-game has no value, how can it be stealing?

@redbeardsteelskin6723

2 жыл бұрын

@@TuriGamer Hacking it in order to make money is very much illegal.

@karansainiscmhrd

2 жыл бұрын

He paid his taxes and was transparent about his income the government won't care about the source. It is only when things are out of the normal range of operations that get flagged for investigation.

Great video dude!

Great vid, looking forward to more like this, subbed

unbelievable !! great video Kira

The mental gymnastics this guy does in order to justify his actions is truly amazing.

@davet5223

Жыл бұрын

Manfred could see the value of time in your life and hated to see it being wasted grinding in a game so wanted to help by speeding up that process

@RCShufty

Жыл бұрын

@@davet5223 lol, yeah, sure. Was nothing about getting rich at others expense or anything.

@davet5223

Жыл бұрын

@@RCShufty 😆

Damn… That mention of Wildstar Online actually made me feel something in my heart…

@ShaylaSawchenko

2 жыл бұрын

Right? I was so gutted when it lost popularity and shut down. It had so much potential.

Great reporting! Please continue to shine a light on these dark areas of our online reality; I find it (pun alert!) most illuminating. But seriously, you cover a lot of detail in a very short time, and package it in a way that helps me retain much of it. (Believe me, that's an accomplishment, lol).

This was an interesting video. I never really thought about the hacker mentality . I am surprised he hasn't gotten into any legal trouble over how he was illegally making money using exploits across multiple games.

@sjs9698

Жыл бұрын

it's worth remembering that the people who make laws are basically completely ignorant of *every* issue in the digital domain. hell they generally struggle to keep up with biological & economic issues which have been resolved for centuries... the worst assumption one can make of the world is that those in power are qualified to hold it, imo.

"I decided to not harm any players directly from that point on." > Proceeds to completely destroy the economies of many MMOs essentially destroying them from within. LMAO.

I know guild member friends that lost their houses from being hacked unable to continue gold reselling etc. it definitely hurt people more than you think. Some peoples life’s work was a video game they cared about and you stole it from them for money. You stole someone’s favorite hobby or past time for wealth. Hope it was worth it.

Great work again Kira, having played most of the games you mentioned and probably buying little amounts of currency for them its interesting to think that it probably came from manfred.

good content as usual, Mr. TV!

I remember selling deviant fish that I fished in the Barrens in the auction house for 1g each. Vanilla Wow. I would log in to 25g a day, which was a shit ton of gold at the time. I never did understand why people paid to turn their characters into a pirate for an hour (or was it 10 min? I don't remember). But they did. Good times

Honestly, I'm mostly interested in game hacking/reverse engineering from the standpoint of singleplayer modding and fixing technical/performance issues that weren't patched, but the whole ordeal with multiplayer game hacking is interesting from a technicality standpoint. It's a shame you can barely find any documentation on singleplayer game modding (Without modding tools), because KZread goes out of their way to remove anything other than crappy Cheat Engine Assault Cube tutorials (an open source game where there's zero point to disassemble game binaries) because they're paid out by the ESA. Finding documentation on that kind of stuff is notoriously difficult online, assuming you don't like stuff that's objectively cancerous like Guided Hacking.

@Reth_Hard

2 жыл бұрын

I remember when I was young playing an MMORPG (don't remember the name), I coded a mining bot with visual basic. Basically, the bot was scanning the screen for the ore color and was clicking on it for mining. It was incredibly simple and I was leaving my character mining there for hours, then I was using the ore to craft weapons and armors and selling them in my shop. After a few weeks I was a millionaire, with the in-game gold... I was so proud of my little bot! lol But after a while I got bored and left the game. The thing is I was expecting to get ban very fast for doing this, it's pretty obvious when you see a character mining ores for 8 hours straight that it's not a legit player but apparently the admins didn't care about this.

@Justin-fq8dt

2 жыл бұрын

I am a software engineer who used to own a large CSGO cheat which I sold online as my job for almost 3 years. Although all of the necessary information is available online, you are correct about it being difficult to find. That was several years ago now (I was in my late teens) and my morals have developed quite a bit to the point that I'm not really willing to compromise the experience of other users for the sake of profit anymore. Now I just work as a typical software engineer at a mid size start up, but it's a super interesting topic regardless and I look back on those days of my life with great nostalgia.

@sjs9698

Жыл бұрын

@@Justin-fq8dt most white-hats were black-hats once. congrats on your reform ^^ also: f-u for breaking cs-go. really though. f. u.

@MegaKubapl

Жыл бұрын

guided hacking objectively cancerous, could you elaborate?

I love these kind of videos from you!

People only go out of their way to defend the guy because the companies on the other side are worse. But don't be fooled, he knowingly kept screwing other players and lied through his teeth to appear nicer than he really is. That's not indicative of a good person.

Well kudos to him for cleaning up his act out of his own free will. But it was always unethical, and deep down he obviously knows this otherwise he wouldn't have done a U-turn.

@pelinoregeryon6593

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it's no skin of his nose now is it, he already made his money off it.

@SoulGuitarMetal

2 жыл бұрын

Every bandit becomes a good person after a successful robbery or after being caught.

@lt.danicecream

2 жыл бұрын

Who says he cleaned up his act, him?

@dubaycr

2 жыл бұрын

lol, this last bank robbery will be my last since I have so much money already. See, I'm a good guy now.

@maggiejetson7904

Жыл бұрын

He would have been sued to bankruptcy once the pay to win economy started, the developers would have enough lawyers to bankrupt him.

As someone who played tons of mmos during his active time I must say I dislike the owners of the games more than him. These kind of things were the norm back then and they hardly did anything to stop it.

@defaulted9485

2 жыл бұрын

The true pros are the account boosters we've met along the way. The true scrubs are the account buyers we demolished along the way.

@ekki1993

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, yeah, the companies (especially MMO devs the last dozen years) deserve worse. It's still good to remember that he screwed up a lot of players and just straight up lied and tried to play neutral. Otherwise you might be seeing way too many dumbasses romanticise the edgy teenage ideal of "hackerman" fucking up shit.

Awesome vid dude, thanks!

thanks for putting so much New World footage in there... so many servers got ruined because of such people

"Expanding the game's functionality to provide players with in-app purchases" This isn't even the first time I've heard that ridiculous excuse. My go-to response for these people in denial is this: If what you're doing truly isn't wrong, go talk about it openly in the official game channels. Official forums, discord, social media, etc -- ping the staffers and bluntly tell them what you're up to. If you can announce publicly that you're currently exploiting the game and none of the game mods ban you, then I'll accept that whatever you're doing is allowed by the game's rules. They never do it, because deep down, they know perfectly well that they're in the wrong.

"I'm just providing paid services before in app purchases were a thing" sounds like what his legal team told him to say so he can keep as much of that money as possible. Because with as much as some of those games made/make, he was way passed just a slap on the wrist and a fine. And still not out of that water, if I had to guess.

@TheMajorLeagueGinger

2 жыл бұрын

Statue of limitations

This is SO good. Hilarious storytelling

this is one of the most interesting vids you uploaded man. cheers. UO2 rules btw.

damn i think what he's doing is impressive, but i can't believe he doesn't realize how much damage he caused. not only for the players, but the amount of actual revenue lost due to his actions is at least in the millions if not even in the billions.

With a rudimentary knowledge, it is typically pretty easy to find/make hacks. I used to make a bit of pocket money in uni by hacking games still in beta and turning the hacks in for bounties. Unfortunately, no developers want to pay bounties for them any more. Edit: Most hacks aren't "glamorous" like those mentioned in this video. One of mine was to code an auto potion on health hitting a certain value, or tricking the server into not removing an item from your inventory when you sell it

@uHasioorr

2 жыл бұрын

'Most hacks aren't "glamorous" ' and 'tricking the server into not removing an item from your inventory when you sell it' are contradicting. This was literally infinite wealth hack something that Manfred would do.

@Falney

2 жыл бұрын

@@uHasioorr true. The game I found the infinite money on was firefall I think. A third person shooter by red5 studios. In game cash was unimportant and I was thinking about that when I wrote it.

@Falney

2 жыл бұрын

I almost thought I stumbled on a game breaking bug on that when I found I could override the chr health thus becoming invincible. Turned out they had a safety check built in and I got banned. I was invulnerable for about 30 seconds.

@uHasioorr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Falney That explains why it wasn't "glamorous" :D

@hughjnus4256

2 жыл бұрын

@@Falney you make hacks for ROBLOX?

I love the stock footage for "top coders." Just a bunch of nested ifs and a while loop. It looks like it is actually one of those tutorials for how to make your first "game" by showing you logic.

@bottlewisp

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying that programming is just a bunch of 1s and 0s? Ifs and while loops /is/ programming lol

@robk79

2 жыл бұрын

@@bottlewisp Nope. I am saying the stock footage is not quite what I would call the programming of a "top coder" and I found it amusing.

Good vid. Have never heard of this thanks

On one hand I LOATHE this and believe there is no real justification. On the other hand knowing what I do of RNG and how so many of these games are nothing more than super casino's which put Las Vegas to shame, I have little sympathy for the game developers. I can't count the number of times I've pushed myself to the edge of insanity trying to get a RNG drop....and never get it, only to have what I need be on the market for less money then I could earn in a few hours at a job. Manfred's ethics are somewhat player dependent. If players didn't buy, he wouldn't sell anything. It's the players themselves who destroyed the economy, he just gave them them the means to do it. I don't like it, but then there's a lot of things regarding human nature that I don't like and I am one too.

If the money was as great as this video leads common watchers to believe. Why is manfred now a security analyst making 150k a year? 397 trillion in wildstar gold is a very GENEROUS estimate. If he truly had the keys to the kitchen as you imply then why is he settling for a life of making less then 10% of that?

bruh, ur content is absolutely incredible now.

Thank god you're back

"Ethical hacker"... uh, no. Not back then. Maybe you can make that argument today, working *for* the companies to find and report exploits. But before that, hacking for profit, is not "ethical." Just because you weren't as bad as some hackers doesn't make you good.

@someguy4915

2 жыл бұрын

'Ethical blackhat hacker' is already a contradiction, the whole point of the blackhat definition is crime/not ethical... It's like saying you're drying your hands in a bowl of water.

@resphantom

2 жыл бұрын

@@someguy4915 Or saying the water is not wet. To become a white hat hacker, you require written permission to investigate an exploit and then write a report about it. You are not allowed to decimate a production server. Fun fact, hacking or completely destroying your own gear or business is not illegal, because you gave yourself permission to destroy your own equipment or business.

Manfred ruined several of my favorite games. Several. He ruined markets, the one thing I love to work legitimately in the games. He has destroyed my experience and made players flee from all of my favorite mmos. I no longer play mmos because of him.

@MisogynyMan

2 жыл бұрын

and he still thinks he's not so bad

@TyeCozMusic

2 жыл бұрын

So you're saying he did you a favor

@Robert-ln8ct

2 жыл бұрын

That's epic af

Love these videos dude!

Heard about Manfred in Darknet Diaries, but it's great to see some visual representation of the stories

so Manfred is the Federal Reserve of online gaming

I hate people like Manfred. He has a real talent, then employed his significant intellect to rationalizing his shitting up the game space by creating a line that he wouldn't cross. Its like an abuser who tells themselves that beating their wife isn't that bad because they're not killing her.

@sankaplays3098

2 жыл бұрын

He made money hacking a virtual currency, thats a real big stretch your making there. I once discovered a money dupe glitch in Runescape and it got patched in an hour and got my account banned, had it gone unnoticed I would have made bank off that too. Everybody who had the ability to do this would have done it, 100%.

@questor55

2 жыл бұрын

@@sankaplays3098 I'm glad you had your account banned in that case.

@sankaplays3098

2 жыл бұрын

@@questor55 It was when I was like 13 lmao.

@insanity2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@sankaplays3098 People still have the ability to do this and still do, doesnt make it okay just because "everyone else" would do it.

Love this type of content, keep up the good work Kira.

I remember when Darkfall came out and gold was being sold on launch day. Same thing happened to Mortal Online they were taking orders before beta was over. I had always assumed they were scams, but considering how poorly those games were coded I could see Manfred or someone like him found the bugs in closed beta and new immediately they could deliver.

so in other words.. manfred is a thief that he publically admits being one and nobody is considering arresting him?

@Sound_Spark

2 жыл бұрын

why? he did nothing wrong.

@insanity2929

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sound_Spark It is illegal. Sanctions include civil and criminal penalties if caught hacking. All software issued by the makers of any publicly released game such as COD etc is copyrighted. Hacking violates that copyright which is a federal offense. It does not matter if the game was purchased. When you make a company lose millions of dollars, you're more than likely in some shit, whether its now or later

Here is to Manfred finding exploits in Ashes of Creation before they are exploited!

Love your channel. Bigfry got me on to you a few months ago and i love your content.

"All I did was bash a lot of random people's teeth in with my hammer. Other guys with hammers, they *kill* people, but I just bashed their teeth in, because I'm an *ethical* hammer owner." This freaking guy.

GM reports info of exploit to company and they fire him lmao. When being a good guy goes wrong.

@lightworker2956

2 жыл бұрын

"No good deed goes unpunished."

I would love to see a class action against manfred from those you paid legit or the devs. Hes earned it. He gets no credit for not doing as much damage as he could of, its the damage that he did that he should be held accountable for

@sjs9698

Жыл бұрын

'not doing as much as eh could have'? (nb. not 'of') like every driver who doesn't turn their car into pedestrians? do they deserve praise? really? all of us could have done *much* worse. all of us. your argument is inane.

I really like this kind of content. I do feel the pop-in text is a bit distracting. At least for me. A black box with white text, and empathizes, would probably be just as good but less intrusive for the eyes. Maybe I'm old, but it's just too flashy. Great video! Keep it up!

crazy stuff man, can''t believe dudes like Alfred exist out there

Dude has a literal philosophers stone inside of him. Am I jealous of his talent and dedication to the craft? Fuck yes.

I remember I got the last laugh on someone who hacked my WoW account back in Wrath. Back when you would get a random whisper, and just by replying they could get your info. He then proceeded to sell my armor on my chars, make new chars to spam links to sell gold. Proceeded to secure what he has stolen by putting and authenticator on my account. Coincidentally, at the time you got the offer to get the core hound pup pet for getting an authenticator. I sat on hold with Blizzard for about 4 hours, on the family drive up north for vacation. After 4 hours waiting, answered a few questions and bam my account was back. All gear sold was in the mailbox. Also... I got to keep the core hound pup. Lmao bad timing for him. Account gets hacked right before I'd be on vacay not even playing, plus a free pet. XD good times

@dianaalyssa8726

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Glad you got it recovered fine. Authenticator(s) are nice for protecting. Don't have as interesting a story, was playing invis in Shadowlands, clicking the dumb souls at that pit spot in the maw on my necrolord mog alt at night before reset, dc'ed, ended up changing password, think an ex got on it somehow despite my not sharing password. It wasn't doing anything harmful, perhaps mission tables were ran for me, idk, they were on in the Shadowlands (was freaking out pretty sure in my mind it was him specifically on, not a random person). Sometimes I had more gold or weird items in my menu bars but w/e, weird things on the menubars been a bit off since late Legion. I just try to change pw if anything weird or be visible most times now. Have 2 bnets on authenticators, at least it's more secure than not having them.

@hugepriapism3377

2 жыл бұрын

i remember my old account got hacked and sold back in wotlk or cata forgot which one. then later when mop hits i Email blizzard with my card details and account info. And boom got my acount back, now with the swift spectral tiger and both the fire and ice mog helmet you could get at some point... good times thanks hacker i appreciate the mount very much!

Very enjoyable videos. I'd love to write you some background music

Getting banned for reporting a bug for free and straight to the developer... Reminds me of when I shared an issue I had with a service online and asked whether someone had an idea of a fix, only to have it immediately removed because I was "leaking vulnerabiliies". The thing is, that was the second time after a while and nothing had been done about it and their customer support sucks.