The Mail Coif Part 1

A brief history and demo of the mail coif.
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  • @viridisxiv766
    @viridisxiv7667 жыл бұрын

    "and now the look is complete" love it :D

  • @Riceball01
    @Riceball017 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video on the female coif? I know, bad joke, I just couldn't help myself.

  • @88fibonaccisequence

    @88fibonaccisequence

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Riceball01 You beat me to it.

  • @Ninjamanhammer

    @Ninjamanhammer

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thought of that joke as soon as I heard the intro, went to the comment to see if someone else said it. Take my shaking fist and a thumbs up.

  • @BenniBodinJagell
    @BenniBodinJagell7 жыл бұрын

    Thank god the beard was okay.

  • @Hetnaset
    @Hetnaset7 жыл бұрын

    You have my like for the 'stache! That's the most important element in a male coif.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    :)

  • @grailknight6794
    @grailknight67947 жыл бұрын

    Nice! one thing i allways hated even before i knew anything about hema and medieval armor! when i used to look at those tv shows or documentaries with those loose mail coif....i was like wtf is that shit... thnx for the video cause i think some people still have that idea.... It does not make sense to carry extra metal if your whole face and throat is open!!! also just it looks better when its made historical like the one you showed, it just looks very nice and it makes sense and protects, back in the day they tryed everything to make mail more closely fitted the used lases and tailored it the human shape and now we do the opposite make it loose and flappy as possible.....really annoys me!!!!

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, floppy poor fitting armor is self defeating. People have been fed that nonsense for so long, I think that's where a lot of people get the idea that medieval armor was clumsy and unwieldy.

  • @geogodthebat
    @geogodthebat7 жыл бұрын

    Great vid, can't wait for part 2. Love mail stuff.

  • @trumans.7106
    @trumans.71067 жыл бұрын

    nice camera angles, I like the work you put into the production of your videos.

  • @psykopanda11
    @psykopanda117 жыл бұрын

    I must let you know that i have become addicted to your videos sir. You bring me so much peace of mind and i cant wait until your next upload :)

  • @Crayfish
    @Crayfish7 жыл бұрын

    Next video: female coif

  • @unclebenis2540

    @unclebenis2540

    7 жыл бұрын

    *femail

  • @KSxJoker

    @KSxJoker

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nice word play, and I mean that sincerely.

  • @xiezicong

    @xiezicong

    7 жыл бұрын

    ** Fe (iron) mail - Already done!

  • @GardenFootCreature

    @GardenFootCreature

    6 жыл бұрын

    John Tse Clever :D

  • @filida

    @filida

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hei Hei Male coif is part of history. Female coif is part of herstory.

  • @daisyruin
    @daisyruin7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. Looking forward to part 2.

  • @mattbrown5511
    @mattbrown55117 жыл бұрын

    Thank you always.

  • @Adagamante
    @Adagamante7 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I've made a mail coif a couple of years ago, and I've been thinking about fitting the chin portion appropriately. I used very small rings, so it's very dense, and moving that "slab" of mail every time I move my neck is nor very comfortable. The next step would be making a riveted one, but that may take a while...

  • @BoardFrogZero
    @BoardFrogZero7 жыл бұрын

    Top vid. Well researched. Thank you.

  • @thelonelyelite1
    @thelonelyelite16 жыл бұрын

    I'm just spit balling here but you seem like a very knowledgeable guy on the subject so here goes. I'm dealing with roadblocks getting something that resembles a period correct 12th century knight in the crusades. One of my more challenging pieces thus far has been getting a proper mail coif. Ive been through all the reputable (that i know of ) websites and purchased a few that seem to work ok but just arent doing it for me. My main issue is finding anything that comes in on the chin and has an attached ventail. I know the only way i'm truly gonna get something correct is probably going to be going the custom route, which I know nothing of. I don't have limitless funds but I hate buying things twice. Ive already gone that route with my arming wear, which I still am not satisfied with as well. If you have any tips, or possibly a link to a video you have done that mentions any of the above I would greatly appreciate it. On a side note I really have no intention of doing any actual live sparring but I do want what I'm wearing to be correct and have the ability to play around If I ever felt like it. thanks

  • @verfugbarkite
    @verfugbarkite7 жыл бұрын

    Very detailed - well done

  • @expacifist
    @expacifist7 жыл бұрын

    Somewhat surprised to see my photos of the Edinburgh coif being used, At the same time very happy, an interesting note, is that the rivets appeared to be integral to the rings rather than separate peices.

  • @99IronDuke
    @99IronDuke7 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, as always.

  • @GermanSwordMaster
    @GermanSwordMaster7 жыл бұрын

    Majestic moustache ! Nice Coiffe!

  • @TyLarson
    @TyLarson6 жыл бұрын

    Just finished reading a rat queens comic special about their orc friend dave and can't help but notice a familial like connection. Though it is mostly the beard. Good comic.

  • @RainMakeR_Workshop
    @RainMakeR_Workshop4 жыл бұрын

    When did the practice of leather edges on chainmail come into practice. I’ve seen a few examples on the coif especially (though I’ve seen it on Hauberks too), where the opening for the face and the bottom part that’s laid over the chest, back and shoulders have leather trimming sewn over the edges. But I’ve never seen anything that dates this practice. Or how common it was.

  • @spudren-elderscrolls-fallo7119
    @spudren-elderscrolls-fallo71196 жыл бұрын

    I love the intro

  • @ME-hm7zm
    @ME-hm7zm7 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff! Eric's a knowledgeable chap - I have both the published maille research society books, and have a small swatch of his squamata. How thick do you take those rings to be, by the way?

  • @KorKhan89
    @KorKhan897 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! I just learned a lot about a tooic i hadn't really thought about before. I wonder if the ventail disappearing had something to do with the increased use of fully enclosed helmets like the great helm.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    You'll probably see it in the other comment, but if I had to hazard a guess, yes, I would say that is certainly a possible reason for not needing a ventail anymore.

  • @CarnelianUK
    @CarnelianUK7 жыл бұрын

    Does the disappearance of the ventail coincide with the adoption of more fully faced helms such as great helms?

  • @KorKhan89

    @KorKhan89

    7 жыл бұрын

    Just what I was wondering...

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    It does seem to coincide with that period in time, yes.

  • @LordOwenLongstrider
    @LordOwenLongstrider7 ай бұрын

    I have often wondered if they might have put a lace through the rings, either around the brow-level, or the neck, to cinch it around the forehead or neck so the coif didn't shift out of place, as a lot of times in movies you see them with a separate coif and the thing slips down over their face, or slides back, exposing their forehead, and it just looks silly. I did try the lace through the neck on a coif I made, with the face opening coming to the V at the bottom (exposing the chin, I know, I was young and naive 😅) and threading the lace through the rings of the row at the bottom of the V, making it easier to tie it and tuck it in; it seemed to work well, so I wonder if they did that back then, at least by individual choice.

  • @Cargotdenuit
    @Cargotdenuit4 жыл бұрын

    The first relief on the Cathédrale Saint-Pierre d'Angoulême depict a scene of the epic song of Roland: the victory of Roland over the king of Saragosse (a city in Spain), it dates from early XI century. However as you correctly noted, the second relief you show is a depiction of Saint George and the dragon that was added during the restoration works of the XIXe century, so it has no documentary value for medieval research.

  • @5Striker5
    @5Striker57 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ian, first of all, I'd really like to thank you for all your effort you're putting into this channel. I find it very informative and while I am currently designing buildings and weapons/shield, not armor, its still interresting to watch. I wanted to ask you about barbutas. I really love the way they look and they seem to have a very nice field of vision (good helmets for foot soldiers?). Do you by any chance plan to make a video about them as well?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    I prefer to make videos about armor that I can show you physically, and I have yet to get my hands on a good reproduction of a barbute. If I can't source one for you guys, I will still make a video eventually, but it will be missing the 'show and tell' portion that I usually include in my videos.

  • @5Striker5

    @5Striker5

    7 жыл бұрын

    Fair enough, I'll just hope :D.

  • @TheMorgoth86
    @TheMorgoth867 жыл бұрын

    Very informative video, as usual. Do you have any ideas if also mail caps were used? I found some pictures on the internet, but wasn't sure if they were really intended to be used as cap or if this were just half finished coifs.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    The coifette :) Yes, they exist and they will get looked at in Part 2!

  • @kalleleman
    @kalleleman5 жыл бұрын

    I like the video length :) the "leet" infoes are okay too ;)

  • @Ygdrasil18
    @Ygdrasil187 жыл бұрын

    What do you think about changing the direction of the rings of the arms by 90° to the body, so they will maintain their longitudinal way and strikes of sharp weapons could glance more often. I hope you understand my question. (It's really hard to describe that in english)

  • @ChristianThePagan
    @ChristianThePagan6 жыл бұрын

    First off, nice video you saved me a lot of research. I've been looking at coifs in medieval art and I was wondering, you said that the square bib type termination appeared in the mid 13th century. I can verify that from art but I'm having trouble pinning down the appearance of coifs with a rounded termination. Do you have any idea when rounded termination first appeared?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    6 жыл бұрын

    I don't know. The earliest I've seen round terminations of mail outside a surcoat in artwork is not until the last quarter of the 13th century, and those could actually be early aventails as their all shown being worn with a helmet and may actually just be implying attachment to the helmet. In the 14th century we have both survivals and artwork that clearly show round terminated separate coifs, but when they were first developed is a bit of a mystery to my knowledge. The one at the Royal Armouries is dated 1331-1370 (collections.royalarmouries.org/object/rac-object-21304.html).

  • @paulkline1574
    @paulkline15742 жыл бұрын

    Are there instructions on the "tailoring" for the maille? I guess I could do my own research, but if you have links or suggestions that would be much appreciated.

  • @MrCearl
    @MrCearl7 жыл бұрын

    I've always wondered what the square panels over the chest of some Normans on the Bayeux Embroidery signify. Unfastened ventails? Or maybe even some kind of reinforcement? The only other place I can find them is from Spanish manuscripts of the same period.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    That is certainly a mystery.

  • @blacklight4720
    @blacklight47207 жыл бұрын

    Excellent post. Btw coif suits you.

  • @lukerope1906
    @lukerope19062 ай бұрын

    Did you make the arming cap yourself?

  • @IlkkaVuoristo
    @IlkkaVuoristo7 жыл бұрын

    Would a lace around the neck tuck the coif better to the form of your neck, or would that impede movement of the head? Loved the evil mustache twirling! :D

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    It would help keep it formed to your neck. As long as you don't make it too tight, it shouldn't appreciably impede movement.

  • @pendantblade6361
    @pendantblade63617 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ian, I recall a Lindy video where he said how coifs can be fitted well enough until it looks like some sort mail balaclava. How "tight" can it get before it gets impractical?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    You can get them very closely fitted as long as you can still get your head inside. Here's one such example of an aventail on a bascinet, but these are by no means representative of *all* aventails or coifs etc... There are plenty of examples of originals that are not nearly so well tailored, even on high end pieces (s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fc/4d/31/fc4d31978e4605094c729819a1545414.jpg)

  • @dimitrizaitsew1988
    @dimitrizaitsew19886 жыл бұрын

    In this video, mail coif directly comes into contact with your skin. Does that make it uncomfortable to wear? Will it protect well, given the lack of padding?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mail is very good protection without padding. Take a knife and run it across your hand with and without mail to demonstrate this to yourself :) Mail is better protection with modest padding, but it doesn't need crazy amounts of padding to be effective armor. This is mostly a modern attempt to remove mail from the context of its time and intended purpose, and effectively make its protective value similar to plate for the purpose of modern sports and re-enactment.

  • @shrekas2966
    @shrekas29667 жыл бұрын

    are there coifs like this in the video with ventail that covers all the face except eyes?

  • @jancello
    @jancello7 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a specific pattern for that arming cap or is it just two halves sewn together ? I'm about to make one to advice from a specialist would be appreciated :)

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    That one is just 2 identical halves sewn together. There's no central panel. I only put 2 layers of cotton batting in between the linen exterior and lining. The halves were finished and quilted individually and then sewn together (oversewn) down the center with a medium weight linen thread that I ran through beeswax. I wanted to use linen tape for the ties but I didn't have any available, that's why it's in its incomplete state. It's a pretty simple sewing project, and can be done in an afternoon by hand, or probably in about 1 hr with a machine.

  • @ZarlanTheGreen
    @ZarlanTheGreen7 жыл бұрын

    "...by Eric Schmid" O_O Eric Schmid!? Nice!

  • @100RAmen
    @100RAmen7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Errant for the video. who is the maker? I know you mentioned in the video, but I can't spell the name... And also, who else would you recommended for properly made mail?

  • @ZarlanTheGreen

    @ZarlanTheGreen

    7 жыл бұрын

    Erik D. Schmid (his homepage: www.erikds.com)

  • @hanssmirnov9946
    @hanssmirnov99467 жыл бұрын

    Great material, as usual. This makes me wonder how mail coifs and helmets effect those with large ears. Elves in fantasy would need particular concern about this. Speaking of fantasy, heard about the UWM (Unified Weapon Masters)? I'm curious what your thoughts are on it, as it is modern armour attempting to simulate historical fighting (kind of).

  • @ZarlanTheGreen

    @ZarlanTheGreen

    7 жыл бұрын

    Elves would obviously need holes for the ears. As to UWM, people in the HEMA community have looked at it, with curiosity ...and concluded that it's far from offering accurate simulation, or proper protection. It's got a lot of flaws and the creators seem to be ignorant of certain important things ...or they might simply not care about the issues.

  • @hanssmirnov9946

    @hanssmirnov9946

    7 жыл бұрын

    ZarlanTheGreen Would holes for the ears work? It tend to think of that as a good way to cut off your ears if something goes wrong.

  • @ZarlanTheGreen

    @ZarlanTheGreen

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hans Smirnov _"Would holes for the ears work?"_ Why wouldn't they? These things are made to stay in their proper place, and it would be rather unlikely that it would get all that off place. Especially with the ears ...and even if it started to tug in the wrong direction, it would be a discomfort, rather than any kind of danger. If it were to be at the level where your ears would be in danger, then your ears would be the _least_ of your worries. Kind like how steel toed shoes might clamp down on your toes, clipping them off ...but only if there was such force against your foot, that the toes would be getting crushed, anyway. That said, your ears would still be in danger ...as they wouldn't be covered by the coif... Maybe a coif that has tailored bits, that go up with the ears, thus covering them as well ...but maybe with holes in any padded coif you might have under it, so that the padding wouldn't interfere with your hearing. Maybe simple holes for levies and other poorer troops, and maille covered ears, for richer elves?

  • @hanssmirnov9946

    @hanssmirnov9946

    7 жыл бұрын

    ZarlanTheGreen I see the point. Helmets and coifs are kept reasonably well in place. So a hit to the head isn't too likely to put pressure on the ears. The only problem then, is a glancing bow is likely to catch the ears. And if the ears stick out, even if armoured they're not likely to survive a direct blow. This makes it seem like brimmed helmets that redirect downward blows well to the side.

  • @ZarlanTheGreen

    @ZarlanTheGreen

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hans Smirnov _"And if the ears stick out, even if armoured they're not likely to survive a direct blow."_ Well, that depends on the type of armour, and the quality of the strike, but yeah... If the ears aren't all that long, only going about 1-2 cm above the head (if it doesn't go above the head, there's no issue, of course), you could get away with two bulges, on the coif or helmet. If they are significantly longer... I'm not sure how you'd manage to, practically and functionally, protect the ears. P.S. I just thought about the fact that I'm in a serious discussion, about how you'd properly make medieval head protection ...for an utterly fictional race of people. ... Nice :)

  • @ConfusedShelf
    @ConfusedShelf7 жыл бұрын

    I laugh everytime when you fix your mustache.

  • @steretsjaaj2368
    @steretsjaaj23683 жыл бұрын

    I'm wondering how coifs looked like in Carolingian period of Charlemagne, if they already had coifs in those times.. you have any idea, Ian? When did they begin..

  • @nilslindqvist3183
    @nilslindqvist31837 жыл бұрын

    So Normans being clean shaven to avoid having their beards snag in their coifs is most likely a myth then? (Not very surprising, but still good to know.)

  • @semperludens9241

    @semperludens9241

    5 жыл бұрын

    As a Norman with a large beard I can say that wearing a coif is no problem at all. My beard catches on the zipper of a leather jacket way easier than on a coif. Keeping your (facial) hair short or even shaving it completely is a good idea if you know you will be in mortal combat though. A forceful pull on a beard or ponytail finishes fights.

  • @KanaiIle
    @KanaiIle7 жыл бұрын

    Do you think that coifs were worn as stand-alone armor, or only in conjunction with helmets? And if they were, how much padding would they need to be effective?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    I will talk about this more in part 2, but in general, I don't think a coif on its own is very good primary protection for the head without supplementation of some sort.

  • @KanaiIle

    @KanaiIle

    7 жыл бұрын

    Great, Ill be waiting for the next part then.

  • @Theo1505
    @Theo15057 жыл бұрын

    So is a ventail mostly different from an aventail based upon the point of attachment? Or is the aventail a more complicated form of protection?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    The aventail (or camail if you prefer, their the same thing) is a curtain of mail that's physically attached to a helmet, like on my bascinet. A ventail, is just that extra flap of mail on a coif.

  • @thyhallowed
    @thyhallowed7 жыл бұрын

    Do you know what's the webpage link to the armourer who crafted that mail coif? Searched for Eric Schmidt but couldn't find it anywhere. Thank you in advance.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Erik D. Schmid - www.erikds.com/

  • @SigurdKristvik
    @SigurdKristvik7 жыл бұрын

    It looks awesome 11:38 :D

  • @MrAwawe
    @MrAwawe6 жыл бұрын

    Doesn't the aventail on your bascinet hang down in that sort of "curtain" way that you said was inaccurate for coifs? Is it acceptable to have it be that way for aventails but not for coifs? How easy/difficult is it to turn your head while wearing your full kit?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    6 жыл бұрын

    Aventails are not built like coifs. Aventails don't generally include a 'ventail' flap to tighten over your chin and since there is no adjustability like on the styles of coif that tailor under the chin (like the one in this video), you need to be able to get your head inside. Unlike a coif, an aventail is connected to a rigid helmet, so there is no give as you put your head inside except in the very front, but even there the mail is stretched between rigid pieces of steel, whereas a coif is much more malleable when putting it on your head. Turning your head is not difficult.

  • @Pablo_Abajos
    @Pablo_Abajos7 жыл бұрын

    +Lindybeige need to watch this

  • @svargyle
    @svargyle7 жыл бұрын

    This might have been mentioned but one of the things that always annoys me when seeing depictions of coifs in movies and TV, is that they are often obviously worn directly against the scalp, without any padding whatsoever. Obviously not protective at all, and it doesn't look anything like any depiction from manuscript illuminations or sculptures. There's a reason the guys in the illuminations appear to have abnormally big heads.

  • @SuperFunkmachine
    @SuperFunkmachine7 жыл бұрын

    Did they have beard net like covers to keep the mail from get court?

  • @josefst2677

    @josefst2677

    7 жыл бұрын

    SuperFunkmachine they shaved if they were from blue blood . As seen in the most depictions i am aware of

  • @KorKhan89

    @KorKhan89

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Josef St Depends on the era. Through much of the 13th and 14th centuries, beards were quite fashionable. Particularly in the late 14th century, noblemen liked to wear pretty impressive beards and moustaches, as exemplified by Mr. LaSpina.

  • @erho2967
    @erho296710 ай бұрын

    7:10 Forgive me…. The leather thong I guess to hold the bib?? Where was this find?

  • @annedebroeck2451
    @annedebroeck24513 жыл бұрын

    Why doesn't the coif in the Royal Armouries have an undercut? Also, if you had a well fitting coif and you tied it in the back, would you be able to get it off without untying it?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    3 жыл бұрын

    If it were displayed on something other than a vaguely head-shaped pillow, I think it would show a little more of the tailoring on that coif, but not every coif needs to have a dramatic undercut. You can see a little bunching on some of the rows that seem to just be hanging under gravity because of the way it's being mounted.

  • @annedebroeck2451

    @annedebroeck2451

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KnyghtErrant Ok, and would you be able to get these types of laced coifs off without untying them?

  • @darrenprong2632
    @darrenprong26327 жыл бұрын

    Is that beard riveted? Gorgeous.

  • @ConfusedShelf
    @ConfusedShelf7 жыл бұрын

    Apologies if I missed this in the video but it sounds like you are saying "ventail" at multiple points throughout the video (9:45 for example), not aventail. What is that or am I just mishearing?

  • @maximsavage

    @maximsavage

    7 жыл бұрын

    The ventail is a flap of mail that you pull over your chin to protect the bottom half of your face. The aventail is the lower part of the coif that drapes over the top of your chest. They are two different things.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    More commonly, an aventail (or camail) refers to the curtain of mail fixed to the a helmet, like on a bascinet, whereas the ventail is just that flap of mail drawn across the chin.

  • @samuelyeates2326
    @samuelyeates23267 жыл бұрын

    What document did that image of the "baby killing bib-style coif wearers" come from?

  • @KorKhan89

    @KorKhan89

    7 жыл бұрын

    If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it depicts the Massacre of the Innocents from the Gospel of Matthew. Couldn't tell you what manuscript, though.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, +KorKhan89 is correct, it is the Massacre of the Holy Innocents, here is the MS c.1240 - manuscriptminiatures.com/4065/7844/

  • @gg2fan

    @gg2fan

    7 жыл бұрын

    I've noticed often in 13th century art that the types of heinous villains committing these types of acts are usually depicted wearing black maille. Stylistic thing to identify the bad guys obviously, but it's a pretty cool look regardless.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    black mail and other black pigment on objects that are usually silver in color is often the result of the silver leaf used by the illuminator tarnishing over time.

  • @DivinityZX
    @DivinityZX7 жыл бұрын

    How much does (approximately) an authentic mail coif reproduction cost and where to get one? Is it plausible to make one yourself, is the tailoring hard or are there good guides on the interwebz?

  • @josefst2677

    @josefst2677

    7 жыл бұрын

    DivinityZX lindybeige has a full tutorial on his webpage

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    There are no _good_ tutorials that I'm aware of on the internet. Erik Schmid (the maker of this coif) is one of a handful of craftsmen who makes mail _right_. I don't know how much this piece cost originally, it's been through several owners and I'm just borrowing it for the video.

  • @ttaibe
    @ttaibe7 жыл бұрын

    I always get the feeling that beard hairs will get stuck in the coif. Can be painful. Does this happen at all?

  • @ttaibe

    @ttaibe

    7 жыл бұрын

    lol, i asked too soon^^.

  • @ttaibe

    @ttaibe

    7 жыл бұрын

    Also, for me this channel is easily the best channel I have found on the subject of medieval armor and so on. Informative, not too pedantic, you answer my questions before I ask them usually. I am not left with: but... . Good job.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @MatthewDoye
    @MatthewDoye7 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, glad it doesn't pull on the beard!

  • @merkel1986
    @merkel19865 жыл бұрын

    when would you say that people in europe stopped using butted mail and only used riveted mail ?, or did europeans ever completely stop using the butted mail?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    5 жыл бұрын

    There is no evidence for European use of butted mail in the middle ages with the exception of some circumstantial suggestion for its use as a hasty repair.

  • @godofimagination
    @godofimagination7 жыл бұрын

    Personally, I've always wondered, why? Why make the thing integral? Would it not be more convenient and practical to have them separate?

  • @simping4jesus301

    @simping4jesus301

    7 жыл бұрын

    Why do you have the hood integrated into a hoodie? It seems pretty convenient. It's easy to put on, just pull it over your head; you can take it on and off in a hurry, without losing it; there are lots of reasons.

  • @godofimagination

    @godofimagination

    7 жыл бұрын

    Excellent points!

  • @loveforever5687
    @loveforever56875 жыл бұрын

    Pleaseet me know where to buy mail

  • @superfluous9726
    @superfluous97263 жыл бұрын

    "Honny!!!! I forgot my *THONG* !!!!"

  • @Crimson-kt7fd
    @Crimson-kt7fd7 жыл бұрын

    What was it called? A serveliate? I tried looking it up but couldn't find it. Whats the proper spelling.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    cervelliere

  • @Crimson-kt7fd

    @Crimson-kt7fd

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @grailknight6794

    @grailknight6794

    7 жыл бұрын

    Taijess Basnaw its basically a roundish helmet that is shaped to the skull.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    You'll see a lot more of it in the next part :)

  • @GrimReaper1305

    @GrimReaper1305

    7 жыл бұрын

    Why would you wear a cervelliere AND a great helm AND a mail coif over your padded coif? There seems to be historic evidence but it sounds pretty redundant and also quite heavy, uncomfortable and encumbering. Wouldn't be a great helm over a padded coif with attached mail around the neck be totally sufficient?

  • @gso619
    @gso6197 жыл бұрын

    Quick question. Since trends in fashion, hair styles and facial hair changed with time, is it possible the ventails became less popular and were eventually abandoned, because mustaches started becoming more and more popular? Pinching's the most obvious reason, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone decided to ditch their ventail just so they can show off their mustache in front of the other knights on the battlefield. They're nobility, after all.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Most depictions of ventails wouldn't cover your mustache anyway, but I think the more likely reason is the change in and development of helmets making the ventail less useful or necessary.

  • @Royinszki
    @Royinszki5 жыл бұрын

    Where can i buy one of those?

  • @annedebroeck2451

    @annedebroeck2451

    4 жыл бұрын

    Erik D. Schmid - Mail Armour Artist

  • @Jinseual
    @Jinseual7 жыл бұрын

    That Gutland mail is it riveted or butted?

  • @reddokkfheg9443

    @reddokkfheg9443

    7 жыл бұрын

    Rivited. as far as i know there is no historical mail that is butted. not in europe at least In Japan i think they had some kinda butted mail. Not like the reproductions today but still

  • @empiricalmadman3260

    @empiricalmadman3260

    7 жыл бұрын

    Reddokk Fheg To my knowlege, butted mail was particularly common in India; however, their mail tended to be much finer (as in smaller loops) than European mail, so the difference in strength isn't as substantial as some might assume.

  • @reddokkfheg9443

    @reddokkfheg9443

    7 жыл бұрын

    NEinAK Might be true i know way to little about India armor to say anything about it :) But in japan i do believe they used some rings that was a bit like keyrings not butted like the modern day costume ring mail. same construction as if you would connect several keyrings to each other

  • @Ais-pd6yl

    @Ais-pd6yl

    7 жыл бұрын

    It is Gotland not Gutland.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Riveted, no historical European butted mail has been found to my knowledge, only Asian examples.

  • @MegaFarinato
    @MegaFarinato7 жыл бұрын

    what about the mail gaze?

  • @josefst2677

    @josefst2677

    7 жыл бұрын

    MegaFarinato hail Anita. hahaha

  • @macmurfy2jka
    @macmurfy2jka7 жыл бұрын

    So what do you see the primary use for one of these was?

  • @ItsJustMilkISwear

    @ItsJustMilkISwear

    7 жыл бұрын

    protecting your head, face, and neck.

  • @macmurfy2jka

    @macmurfy2jka

    7 жыл бұрын

    +It's Just Milk I Swear thanks, I meant the question as relative to other head gear of the time.

  • @ItsJustMilkISwear

    @ItsJustMilkISwear

    7 жыл бұрын

    macmurfy2jka it would be worn under or over top of a helmet.

  • @macmurfy2jka

    @macmurfy2jka

    7 жыл бұрын

    +It's Just Milk I Swear ah, but why? How may doing so be advantageous? What are the disadvantages of this system? What type of fighting did this lend itself too?

  • @ItsJustMilkISwear

    @ItsJustMilkISwear

    7 жыл бұрын

    macmurfy2jka because you need metal on your head so people can't kill you as easily. basically all fighting. that's why everyone was wearing them.

  • @MrEvanfriend
    @MrEvanfriend7 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned a word, presumably a French word, that was pronounced something like "servalyay" (I'm not even going to attempt to spell that one properly). What is that?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    cervelliere, it will get more attention in the next part as well

  • @Cargotdenuit

    @Cargotdenuit

    4 жыл бұрын

    The cervelière is a skull cap that protect the top part of the head, the skull, where the brain (cerveau in french).

  • @creepychris420
    @creepychris4204 жыл бұрын

    hahahahah yes lad. the most important point.

  • @klyanadkmorr
    @klyanadkmorr7 жыл бұрын

    No comments on the figure flinging a naked child and the slaughtered kids around their feet? That was a pretty harsh image to learn about era coifs.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    That's the biblical image of _The Massacre of the Holy Innocents_. It's represented in some form in all of the Medieval illuminated bibles.

  • @klyanadkmorr

    @klyanadkmorr

    7 жыл бұрын

    Knyght Errant I always seem to miss those as I read those era bibles everyday(snark). It was just a observation, we see tons of battles killings etc in the drawings but the naked kid being held by ankle was jarring for some reason.

  • @MrSivikivi
    @MrSivikivi6 жыл бұрын

    Is there any evidence for a coif lining? Like the aventail on your bacinet is lined. I assume that would be practical, to make it more comfortable and at the same time just handeling one item when you put it on or take it of.

  • @duchessskye4072

    @duchessskye4072

    6 жыл бұрын

    I do not know, however they were worn with a separate padded coif so there seemed to be no need for that.

  • @luciacochrane-davis9940
    @luciacochrane-davis99409 ай бұрын

    If low end reproduction mail catches beards and good reproduction mail doesn’t, does that mean low end original mail might have caught beards?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    9 ай бұрын

    The important thing here is that low-end modern mail is sharp and catches on everything specifically because of the modern way that it is produced. The way it's stamped from perfectly uniform sheets (in the case of solid rings) results in very squared off and sharp shoulders as opposed to being slightly flattened with a hammer (like medieval rings) which would give it a flattened top and bottom surface while retaining a rounded edge that's smooth and not 'catchy.' There are a lot of other important differences between modern 'low-end' and medieval 'low-end' products that more often than not mean the former is not a good analog for the latter. Here's a video on it - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJiVs6x6j8vOk9Y.html

  • @propanedaddy5577
    @propanedaddy55777 жыл бұрын

    Did anyone ever wear the cervelliere underneath the coif?

  • @DivinityZX

    @DivinityZX

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes, he said it in the video at 10:30

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'll cover this is in more detail in the next part as well, but yes.

  • @Harrowed2TheMind

    @Harrowed2TheMind

    7 жыл бұрын

    That seems to explain many of the illustrations I saw where man-at-arms wearing mail coifs seemed to have abnormally bulbous heads, usually with the mail being set in a different direction than the rest of the coif where the level of detail is sufficient, might I add.

  • @TheGooddog3
    @TheGooddog37 жыл бұрын

    Great vid as usual. But it's pronounced "Kwaff" not "Kwoif"

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Coif is pronounced 'k-oif' when speaking English. It made the jump to English during the use of Middle English along with many of the other descriptive armor words that originally came from French. It's the same reason why the armor words that end in -et are pronounced with a hard 't' when speaking English.

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking4 жыл бұрын

    7:35 - Whoa, wtf is going on here...

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's an illustration of the Massacre of the Holy Innocents from the Bible; the story of when King Herod ordered all male children under two executed in an effort to kill the Christ child. The armored figures are Herod's soldiers carrying out his orders.

  • @WarbanderLasty
    @WarbanderLasty6 жыл бұрын

    I prefer 11th 12th century integral mail coif

  • @zhain0
    @zhain04 жыл бұрын

    7:35 are they killing children?! lol

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's a depiction of the massacre of the holy Innocents from the Bible, when King Herod ordered all the baby boys off Bethlehem killed.

  • @Prospro8
    @Prospro82 жыл бұрын

    Pronounce the 'r' in 'cervelliere': SERVELLIERR.

  • @Alopex1
    @Alopex17 жыл бұрын

    Seebach? Schmid? Are all your friends German Americans? :-)

  • @icejohn94
    @icejohn947 жыл бұрын

    you are not french but it was not bad at all

  • @user-um3bq1rx9m
    @user-um3bq1rx9m6 жыл бұрын

    thank god he didn't pronounce it qweef

  • @samuelbhend2521
    @samuelbhend25214 жыл бұрын

    is it only me or does that bascinet in the back looks like a mouse with really bad pollenallergy?

  • @shinobi-no-bueno
    @shinobi-no-bueno5 жыл бұрын

    That coif looks wrong

  • @0hn0haha
    @0hn0haha7 жыл бұрын

    Mail coif? MAIL COIF?!?! WHAT ABOUT THE FEMAIL COIF YOU SEXIST Jk, Gr8 vid.

  • @musicalaviator

    @musicalaviator

    7 жыл бұрын

    0hn0haha Postage stamp. Fepostage stamp.

  • @0hn0haha

    @0hn0haha

    7 жыл бұрын

    ***** Psh. More like Prestage stamp.

  • @gungasc
    @gungasc4 жыл бұрын

    Why aren't you sick in this video?

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why _should_ I be?

  • @notpulverman9660
    @notpulverman96607 жыл бұрын

    Y no female coif,??? #sexism

  • @RobertShyanNorwalt
    @RobertShyanNorwalt7 жыл бұрын

    How do you know that sculpture was replaced or modified. That's what's wrong with KZread. No bibliography.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    7 жыл бұрын

    Here's the facade in 1851, before Paul Abadie began restoration in the 1860s (tinyurl.com/zg9vtdj) ,. Here it is again as it appears today, with the addition of the cone-topped towers and the added sculptures (the lowest sculptures, one each on the left and right of the front face). The sculpture in question is the lowest left sculpture on the front face (tinyurl.com/junw8g7)

  • @giveussomevodka
    @giveussomevodka7 жыл бұрын

    Should shave off the beard, set the mustache free.

  • @legrognard6699
    @legrognard66995 жыл бұрын

    Seriously lad, don't bother making videos. Just post a link to whatever wikipedia article you're reading from.

  • @KnyghtErrant

    @KnyghtErrant

    5 жыл бұрын

    I would challenge you to find any sufficiently detailed and accurate information about armor on wikipedia.