Old school Judo is epic. I think one thing that cannot be contested is that once competition becomes involved or the focus any given art becomes seriously diluted.

Chadi you are awesome but everytime I see "the lost" anything on Judo I get sad because nothing should have been "lost" especially in 2020. You are great

@henrikg1388

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is very sad. What has been lost from Judo gets picked up by the BJJ community and used under their less strict ruleset. I have never seen or heard about the Te-Gatame from the BJJ world, but they will pick it up (maybe through this video) and claim they invented it (and by they I mean the hotshots with "Gracie lineage").

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

Mifune doing leg lock at the end...man...with all respect...He was a devil full of knowledge!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

The more I watch, the more I’m convinced that Judo was created by a creative big brother, “Hey little bro... come here. I wanna try something :)”. I had an older friend like that and I seem to remember one or two of these arm locks and some laughter after. Then what did I do after, “played” with my brother.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Very nice video of the possible arm locks in Judo.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Greetings Brother Chadi is it possible that you share the videos you uses in your presentation, so that those of us that share the same love for the art can further our studies in the art with you ? Thank you Brother. 🙏🏾

Thanks for uploading!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome

Thanks Chadi!!

Allways very interesting.Thanx Chadi

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

🙇🏻‍♂️

I'm a black belt in jiu jitsu (bjj ) and I've been using the udehishigi-haragatame arm lock at 2:40 from side control for years. I didn't know that was a lost technique. My dad who was a catch wrestler taught me that, so it's really cool to see the similarities between arts.

@channi58

3 жыл бұрын

Learned many of these in early 2000s from my japanese sensei. Goood times drilling one on one for a year or so. An amazing memory. These actually work in ramdori but you must practice them alot First! Thanks chadi.

@cristianbroadnax8472

3 жыл бұрын

@@channi58 I agree with you drilling is very important. Most people don't like drilling one to five moves with high reps for 1 to 1 and half hours these days.

@channi58

3 жыл бұрын

@@cristianbroadnax8472 amazing memories drilling over and over for hours and eventually kicked in during randori even against bjj guys....judo has everything stand up and ground! Judo is life!

@cristianbroadnax8472

3 жыл бұрын

@@channi58 judo is amazing and yes I have those memories of drilling as well. I took judo when I was younger too and that's what put the drilling mindset in my head. It's an amazing art and has a more positive culture than the bjj scene in my opinion. Great talking with you brother!

@channi58

3 жыл бұрын

@@cristianbroadnax8472 God bless! Love to hear judo is more positive. It is very humble compared to bjj.

Happy birthday Chadi Wish you all the best :)

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you but it's on the 23rd

Nice! Thank you for sharing!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

you're welcome

Well researched!!! Thank you!! 🤙🏻

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for the note on Kensui Jime... Hahaha You're absolutely right! Great vid, as always... Man you're the best Judo researcher ever!! Do a video with 50 things about you, your education, etc. Can be cool if we know a little bit about you, I guess. Cheers.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Pablo, possibly in the future

Thanks Chadi!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Diane

The sorcerer is rare, but has been used multiple times in Bjj and MMA. Chadi, the forbidden armlocks like waki Gatame were legal not so long ago. Maybe you would like to do a video of the highlights and specifically the last straw that forced the rules to change? I know there were waki Gatame specialists at high levels before the ban

@scarred10

3 жыл бұрын

There has been a standing wakigatame famously used in mma by shinya aoki in japan.The only one in recorded history.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Waki gatame is still legal, only in ne waza

Dang I have never seem most of these but i get into many of these positions all the time! You have to wonder when Judo was first created just how mean it actually was.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

INdeed

if you ude gaeshi but on newaza situation, so it’s okay. the italians call it “la armadilla”

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

indeed bro

A few of this techniques I learnt it from Judo Self Defense. Those Kesa Gatame, I learnt it in Judo Newaza, the rest which I dont know. We never done those. Good documentations like usual.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Neji

Chadi, once Robert Drysdale is doing a documentary about the roots of Jiu Jitsu in Brazil, I think you can show him these videos and documents to guide his research.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

We need had a talk, it's on my channel

Some great moves here.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

8:14 "Cop Kimura"

8:30 is not from Yoko Shio Gatame but starting from Mune Gatame

Hey Chadi the more I watch your video the more I am convinced that catch wrestling borrowed a lot from the japanese(as in submissions). Including what looks like a fujiwari armbar. Goggle it if you don't know what it is.

Chadi, you have to create your own judo gym focused on all these lost techniques. More important than following the IJF rules, is preserving all that forgot knowledge. Have you considered studying japanese and go to Kodokan and Kyoto?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I have considered it, once I get the funding In need, I'm going.

I will be joining your patrion..

This is the only video of this size I’ve seen with no dislikes

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you I try

@garyharper4188

3 жыл бұрын

You spoke too soon. There is one now! Probably someone being contrary.

Waki gatame is my favourite underrated joint lock.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I'm gonna use those on BJJ😈. Thanks a lot, Chadi

@dianecenteno5275

3 жыл бұрын

They will not like you🤣. Train hard and good luck!

@garrikenglish1332

3 жыл бұрын

If you practice BJJ , You have been doing Judo moves all along. Pal.

@joatanpereira4272

3 жыл бұрын

@@garrikenglish1332 I just started BJJ, I'm a judoka, man

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Unleash hell

@gavinsiah6573

3 жыл бұрын

Bjj plus judo, god mode. definitely gonna have a edge

What does kujiki mean? I love that udegatame ude kujiki as a counter to the double under pass

@kakomirai050

3 жыл бұрын

Kujiki mean breaking. Kujiki and hishigi have the same meaning. These are represented by the same kanji "挫". Hishigi is represented as "拉" outside the judo world in Japan.

@Dumplestiltzken

3 жыл бұрын

@@kakomirai050 thank you!

Hello. Where can I find the complete video of the two judokas doing the te-gatame and hara-gatame demonstrations?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHx-k69smNeqnrA.html

When you say lost.. i always feel sad how IJF destroyed Judo! Where did these armlocks go? Are they all banned?

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

No just not practiced, you can still pull them off

@esmaeelsamhan8161

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi but they are still within the curriculum of kodokan? Btw I have a question. Does the kodokan agree on banning several techniques such as moroti gari? Were they involved in that in the first place? Are they decision makers in terms of competition?

I’ve saw these leverage in some competitions. Are they legal only on the ground ?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Hey, Chadi! Is the bjj lock, omoplata a judo lock originally?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a variation of hiza gatame, around 2 minutes and 10 seconds mark. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqOB2puYoLq4lZc.html

@markdaniels4178

Жыл бұрын

Yes

I study the Kyushin Ryu Style of Jujutsu and we have around 30 variations of arm locks both from standing and sitting. For us there are 6 sets of 4 arm locks that are in the order (straight, bent, bent, straight) and are all done sitting.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

that's awesome

@kyle9648

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi kzread.info/dron/Ljx-eIX3vXa30Ho25OepHg.html Is the channel for the style

How do i set up a wakigatame armbar?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

from any escape would be good, like Mifune

1:00 another technique I'm going to steal from mifune

6.31 !!!

I think Kensui-jime is included in Kodokan Tsukkomi-jime. I think Canto choke is included in Kodokan Katate-jime.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I would call it Hasami myself

@kakomirai050

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Hasami-jime is this. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4ObrrNwh9G4Y9Y.html Its alias is "Katate-maki". I don't think it is Kensui-jime or Canto choke.

@kakomirai050

3 жыл бұрын

When I think about it, I find that Katate-maki and Canto choke are in a sense the same.

i’m here for ude gaeshi so let’s see it hahah

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy

Yes, the Te-Gatame (meaning the one from standing position) was my favorite surprise trick. Amazingly easy to pull off when the opponent doesn't know that you can do it. When did they ban standing kansetsu anyway? When I was most active and competing in the early 90s, there was no such rule. Or may there were and nobody knew about it. I thought that happened only two-three years ago.

@kakomirai050

3 жыл бұрын

Standing arm locks were banned from 2018 fully. Te-Gatame form standing position (Ude-gaeshi) was ambiguous about this. Ude-gaeshi has been banned since 2020 clearly. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n6aKuK6Sp5W2p5c.html

@henrikg1388

3 жыл бұрын

@@kakomirai050 Thx. It used to be that everything not explicitly forbidden, like Kani Basami, was allowed. Now it seems the opposite.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

standing Kansetsu especially the jumping can cause instant injury, some people would drop on the elbow directly, no room to tap

@henrikg1388

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Well, you can roll over and you can submit vocally. I remember Judo as a gentlemanly sport. You would never actively harm your opponent.

There is nothing lost about thouse armlocks. I've been practicing them since I got into judo.

You should be identified as a Professor in the study of the grappling arts…

Are they not practiced anywhere in Judo?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but rarely

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4WeyceglaXHirA.html Here again the happy Japanese killer sensei! Ashi gatame variations, keza garami and ushiro keza garami , I try those all the time when I roll bjj , it's good to learn how to do them since the legs can be stronger for braking , it needs a lot of technique and details to control those.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Yes agreed

Why is this illegal from the standing position?

@joatanpereira4272

3 жыл бұрын

It's too dangerous, and everyone would use that all the time. Competitions would be like: dude gets a collar grip; **boom** the other dude does ude hishigi ude gatame/tai gatame ude kujiki/ude hishigi hara gatame ; **boom** dude's arm is broken.

@chrisgk7494

3 жыл бұрын

@@joatanpereira4272 i doubt it's so easy to pull off, was there a time when it was legal in competition?

@joatanpereira4272

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisgk7494 Well, I don't know if has been legal, but trust me, it is easy af to pull off. And the problem is that in competition people only care about winning, and not really about their opponent. So if it was legal, competitors would just get in the position and "drop" themselves, putting all their weight on the opponent's elbow and thus breaking it. In the video there's a clip of Mitsune simulating it 2:22.

@chrisgk7494

3 жыл бұрын

@@joatanpereira4272 maybe I misspoke, my thought is that is not easy to get in that position in order to execute it. If is so practical wouldn't we see it in an mma setting for example?

@joatanpereira4272

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisgk7494 No, because it's easy if one of the fighters is trying to get a collar grip. In no gi is way harder.

and Gracie family called it brazillian

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Not a chance in hell

@markdaniels4178

Жыл бұрын

Bjj or Gracie jiu-jitsu is judo and Japanese jiu-jitsu

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

@@markdaniels4178 yeah, and Japanese Jujutsu is pretty much Sumo but practiced with a gi and weapons haha

Ude-gaeshi is not Hansoku-make. It is just Shido.

The lost technics was called jujutsu jiu jitsu Judo is a part of old jiu jitsu Who create judo was a jiu jitsu master Thats it All this technics jiu jitsu still doíng Why só dificult understand? Kosen judo exemple Begining jujutsu have a lot technics include punch lock kick all dieta game To dele defense u can imagine

@jestfullgremblim8002

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed most of us know that already, but remember that this is mainly a Judo channel, and this is also a video talking about Judo, not Jujutsu. Imagine someone makes a video about Kesa Gatame not being used a lot in BJJ and someone comes saying "Kesa Gatame is still being done in Judo, BJJ comes from Judo, why so difficult to understand?" Do you get my point already?

Really nice 👌 😍💋 💝💖❤️