'just go go go' from the ticket inspector KILLED ME 😂

@Smart1529

2 ай бұрын

RIP Murray Walker The famous F1 commentator. "And its go go go"

shows how bendy buses have some advantages over double deckers

@notdanni4753

6 ай бұрын

theres a reason why bendy buses dont operate in london anymore...

@BCrossing

6 ай бұрын

@@notdanni4753 why? Are they too big?

@Mgameing123

6 ай бұрын

That is what I was thinking.

@Mgameing123

6 ай бұрын

@@notdanni4753 Because BoJo used cyclists as an excuse WHEN ALL THE TOP CYCLING NATIONS HAVE BENDY BUSES! Honestly routes like the 18 need bendy buses.

@extanygaming7928

6 ай бұрын

@@BCrossing yes i remember the 38 bus in hackney would always get stuck on the pavement or waiting for cars to reverse ect by hackney central because it couldn't go round the tight corner properly

I saw this in a movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called, 'The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down.'"

@stoneageman18

6 ай бұрын

great film

@Northerner_Transport_Hub

6 ай бұрын

​@@stoneageman18great reference an all

@mitchl4456

6 ай бұрын

Speed

@agentlemaninjapan

6 ай бұрын

@@mitchl4456 Well done!

@chrism2279

6 ай бұрын

cc Tenuous and Obscure Simpsons.

I live in Germany. The busses on the public bus line, which drove me to school back then, were so full, you couldn't move a centimeter. There were around double the persons allowed by law in the bus. So seeing this bus is considered "full" made me laugh quite a bit.

What the 18 needs is an express version of the route similar to the superloop that can pick up and drop passengers directly to significant locations along the route allowing space to be made on the 18 for those who get on at less significant locations. A great example of this is the 140 and SL9. The express route could also be extended to Harrow if required.

@Abdul.M.

6 ай бұрын

That's why 140 was split into 2 routes X140 SL9 N140. Route was to busy that's what 18 needs

@nathanw9770

6 ай бұрын

@@Abdul.M. Exactly

@Abdul.M.

6 ай бұрын

@@nathanw9770 TFL need to spend money to help out rammed 18 route

@Smart1529

2 ай бұрын

Yeah how about SL11 From Euston To Harrow which is a combination of 18 and 182. Even 182 gets busy from Wembley to Harrow Bus Station.

Here in queensland the bus drivers can press a button which changes the destination screen to "Sorry, bus full". Interesting to see London hasn't done this

@Skyviation

6 ай бұрын

Most countries have this feature, and even if the bus doesn't have a LED destination screen or it's broken, you could just put a paper sign on the windshield that tells people the bus is full

@smash456

6 ай бұрын

london does that aswell but with bandits

@crazyt1483

6 ай бұрын

There is a option it’s just not used because the driver needs to be stoped to change it.

@nathanw9770

6 ай бұрын

​@@crazyt1483 They could just do it when they're stopped at a bus stop

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

@@crazyt1483 there are two main makers of LED boards used- Mobitec and Hanover- and both of them have this facility as standard. In fact this is usually set via the ticket machine using a special port that I cannot remember the name of right now. Some companies- Transdev for example- on their newer buses have the etm send a message every minute or so the display showing "this bus will depart in 5 minutes... 4 minutes...." so having a quick button for 'bus full' really isn't an issue.

I think it was brushed over just how busy this bus route is. It's the busiest in London! And it runs very frequently, so small delays really add up. The easiest way to fix the current problem is to put in more dedicated bus lanes, or even build a tram!

@ahuman9143

6 ай бұрын

There is no way in hell anyone except the 18 users in london wants a new tram system built when trains like the central lines ones are falling apart

@aboubasakiofire884

6 ай бұрын

@@zicoazeez3060 Not over 30years old exact 30 year old.

@andybrice2711

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure building a tram system can be described as "easy". If it's impossible to meet the schedule, the easiest solution is to add a couple of minutes to the timetable.

as a bus driver sometimes some customers are stubborn to move down or upstairs therefore once that yellow line is crossed I ain’t stopping/ opening front door for safety reasons.

@alanholderness6138

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely!!

I used to live on this route. It’s pretty much a straight line from Euston to Sudbury with a curve at Harlesden. I found living in Europe that Bendy Buses worked better. But Johnson scrapped them all in London, where on some routes they could have been left in place.

Where I live, buses will always stop for you no matter what (unless driver doesn't see you or you are not waiting for that bus route), if the bus is full, you may stand. The only reason a bus that is supposed to stop wouldn't stop is if there's two of the same buses right next to each other, the first one may skip you to let the second one pick up the passengers, it's called leapfrogging but it is rare.

@sp00ky_guy

6 ай бұрын

There is often not enough space to stand when these buses don't stop Source: London resident

@paladinoestetica

6 ай бұрын

If the bus is full then there's no room to stand.

I lived in Kensal Green pre-covid, this brings back some memories. It used to be like this every morning. Glad someone's bringing attention to this issue for the residents there

I lived in London for 15 years and far too many people in London will stand downstairs like sardines on buses rather than looking for a seat upstairs, even where there are plenty empty. I don't see what the attraction is in standing downstairs.

@highpath4776

6 ай бұрын

often you cannot managed the stairs, or are only going a few stops.

18 used to be a bendy bus and it was great. Obvious they aren’t suitable for every route but for the 18 it was so fast and efficient.

In addition to this problem, the 18 is also notorious for bunching - when multiple buses come at once, and then some change their final destination mid-way and not going to the final stop! I have had to get off the bus for a few times for that reason, but by the time I got off the other 18 buses that are bunching together are already gone!!

@kristinajendesen7111

6 ай бұрын

Thar is 'turning the bus' to try and get them going the right time in the other direction. It is used to try and avoid that bunching up and 3 turning up at once or a long gap between services.

@michaeltsang1698

6 ай бұрын

@@kristinajendesen7111 yes but the point is when 3 buses come and all say they go to Euston, only the first one will stop and the others pass through. And then mid way the one you are on suddenly cuts short and you have no way to catch the other two that have gone ahead!

@kristinajendesen7111

6 ай бұрын

@@michaeltsang1698 It worked better when we had inspectors along the route instead of everything being done by satellite monitoring and radio. Can't beat a person on the spot making local decisions instead of someone remote. The same thing has happened on the railways when they took away local decision making and knowledge then let someone who hasn't got a clue make the decisions in a London control centre.

@Peter-mj6lz

4 ай бұрын

This might be for crowd control so one bus is empty when it gets to a busy stop and the crowded bus doesn't get overcrowded. We a busy route it's necessar6y that some busses stop mid way but maybe it should be better executed.

That’s why I prefer the upper deck because I’m saving space at the lower deck

@mushroomcraft

6 ай бұрын

I prefer it for the view

Lateness is no excuse to be making buses skip stops.

@deloreanman14

6 ай бұрын

Actually it is. I'm a bus driver in the US and when the bus behind us (follower) catches up to us or is close to doing so, dispatch will put the late bus into drop-off only and the destination signs change to 'DROP OFF ONLY - NEXT BUS PLEASE'. This is usually only done on frequent service routes (10-15 minute headways) but must be done because once the following bus catches up, the leading one is still doing all the work. I know it sucks to be waiting for a bus that finally shows up, only to have it pass you up but it almost always means the next one is minutes (or even seconds) behind it.

@TheArkamedBat

6 ай бұрын

Madrid agrees with you. Even if there is a bus behind, the front bus is serving everyone, regulating the headways at the terminuses for each route (they might send the front bus from there a few stops along the route, and/or maybe get on the rear bus and set it a new departure time.

@deividasverbickas6233

6 ай бұрын

Bus Eireann even said to bus drivers on busy routes to skip bus stops if they're late

@charliebramley

6 ай бұрын

Bunching is the word. You don't want busses travelling in 3s

@strut06

6 ай бұрын

​@charliebramley I wish stagecoach would learn this term, most of the day there are 2 or 3 of the same service in convoy

Have the Passengers/MPs ever TRIED to get Passengers to use the seats or indeed go upstairs ? Believe me you ask them to use the Seats and they totally blank you . Concerning the seats upstairs -The Driver has a screen to see upstairs but the bigger issue is getting them to ACTUALLY go upstairs and use them. Concerning Bendy-Buses certain passengers used to crowd around the doors-usually theses were non fare payers in case an Inspector got on to check their tickets/oysters and Passengers with kids in pushchairs used to use them as ''a ram'' to push onto the buses.

If you have standing passengers , up to the legal maximum downstairs. And you then stop because you have room for several more passengers upstairs. When the new passengers board, but don’t want to go upstairs then you can’t move until this been sorted out. Assuming that you are successful in sorting this out, you are now late, and because you are late, you are picking up passengers who would be on the following bus. This then has to be sorted out, this takes more time , Eventually passengers are waiting an hour for a bus, and six come together… people are cold, wet, miserable and missing appointments, some of which are vital, If buses are travelling with empty seats then more buses may not be the answer. Unless paired with giving the driver more time to provide a good service to his or her passengers.

@KrolPawi

6 ай бұрын

There are legal limits for how much passangers can be on board standing in UK? That's novel. In poland we just pack each other like sardines .

Blaming the drivers for not stopping yet the idiots that use them just stay downstairs and stand when there are seats upstairs. Yes, the driver can initiate a pre-recorded "seats upstairs" announcement, but it's like the "let customers off the train first" one... the fact people still need to be told shows how badly society is going through devolution

@Mgameing123

6 ай бұрын

To be fair the issue is that I think the 18 has alot of short hoppers who can't asked to go upstairs because there doing a short trip. Honestly the best solution for the 18 is to get bendy buses again.

@TheArkamedBat

6 ай бұрын

@@Mgameing123 Agree. Maybe put on some bendy Mercedes-Benz Citaro C2 G (maybe even hybrid buses), like in many big cities.

@railman8454

6 ай бұрын

@@Mgameing123 fair point. But even for a short hop just go upstairs. One person's journey isn't more important than someone else's. I know, unrealistic viewpoint...

@David-um8tb

6 ай бұрын

Maybe you shouldn't blame consumers for badly designed infrastructure.

@railman8454

6 ай бұрын

@@David-um8tb or maybe I can blame who and what I like based on my opinion? #whoareyou

Our double deckers have cameras that the drivers can see

@michaeltb1358

6 ай бұрын

Some double deckers used to have a window and mirrors so the driver could see upstairs. Now all buses are full of cameras, inside and outside.

TFL should just get Bendy Buses back on the 18. The 18 is London's BUSIEST bus route and since bendy buses are all single decker there will not be problems with people not making space in the bus. Also whoever says "bendies can't fit" need to remember that bendies can fit better through tight roads than a standard length rigid bus.

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what your experience is but I have over 2 decades of PSV experience and whilst I would agree that a modern bendi is no easier nor harder to drive than a standard length bus (whatever that is) but I'm interested to know how you view it as easier?

@jakubdenemark2739

6 ай бұрын

It would appear to me that the problem is that they arent perfectly legal in London these days...

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

@@jakubdenemark2739 they are. They were and still are. It is just that we had a London Mayor named boris who was trying to score points by supporting the great British double decker against the horrid foreign bendybus. I managed a bus company with some TfL work and we did have some bendies. For some routes they are excellent for others they're a pain. So it comes down to do we let bus professionals choose based on experience or do we let half-witted politicians choose for making some pointless gesture. NB If I were in charge of buying them rather than just operating, I'd have a mix of both.

@Mgameing123

2 ай бұрын

@@derektaylor2941 Exactly. Double Deckers should stay where possible because its an icon but on routes where capacity really is needed we need Bendy Buses.

Imagine having buses that don’t stop. Here in the north we DON’T HAVE BUSES.

@cameronallan5624

6 ай бұрын

Obviously we do, but the timetables are no way near as frequent as they are in London.

@WillDoesTransport

6 ай бұрын

@@cameronallan5624 the amount of money pumped into London's buses is a joke when, here in the rest of the country relatively unregulated (At least compared to London, and more recently Manchester's Bee network) operators have a monopoly.

There are lots of comments all blaming this on one thing or another. In reality there IS a problem and it is down to the company to resolve it. Whether that is automated messages, or having Inspectors along to assist for a while, that's irrelevant. One thing you can be sure of- they won't be suddenly replacing their deckers with bendies, no matter how much some call for this and no matter whether in some cases a bendy is better.

This is why they chopped the bus in half and added it to the back and drove the bendy buses. Bendy buses was the solution. But what you really needed to add was Bus conductors just like you had them for the old route masters. There was many times when I got on a bendy bus and I said to myself. Yeap. Definitely you got 140 people on this bus.

living in Germany I've never experienced anything alike. Busses will stop and pick up passengers until they're full ... in terms of actually being full, being all the way up to the walk-through barrier next to the driver; Just that the driver can still see his mirrors; Of course the bus will be delayed quite a bit, while the following bus on the same line will probably catch up ... but they won't just pass a stop and not let passengers board

It's a common misconception that buses are for passengers. Bus operators stopped talking about passengers back in the early 2000's. Buses stopped being made with pax in mind, routes stopped being designed with pax in mind, companies stopped being run with pax in mind. It's now all about how many seats you can run over how many miles at a certain frequency. Pax don't figure in the registration, they don't figure in the targets. It is preferable to the operator to not pick up pax than to pick up the fine for running outside the six minute window. It's just another example of modern day life being OK to be not fit for purpose, as long as it looks good on paper.

A perfect example of today’s journalism. If this was Just A Minute, you’d be told off for repetition and waffling.

Most London bus routes have little to no give in their timetables for most off the year …hence why some drivers drive like nutters but especially during the summer holidays I used to drive one or two routes that had to wait at bus stops due to having ( normally temporary) too much running time ( which I far preferred as I could counter this by driving slightly slower but far more comfortable for the passengers especially elderly and/or run a minute early before bad roadworks) anyways all the passengers would do was constantly complain even though you could guarantee the bus would be at your/all stops on time ! So my experience is as the driver you couldn’t win either way 🤦‍♂️ would never happen to a train driver (I used to catch trains at Kingston and Sutton that were scheduled to wait 4 minutes at the platforms before moving off again … also I would regularly play the “please use the seats upstairs I bus message but most passengers would ignore …… maybe it’s been taken off? Anyways once you have a single passenger with half a foot over the yellow line at the front off the bus I would either not stop at 10mph or I would stop and see what the onboard passengers would do …… but as always it was the drivers who would get it in the neck it was just a case off who from!

The fact London busses seem to lack all door boarding is incredible to me - even in Los Angeles our busses are rolling out TAP Card readers at rear doors so you can get on anywhere. In any case, I also wonder why a shortened route has not been considered to add capacity mid-line. If the bus is full by a certain point, have empty coaches start there during busy periods to add capacity. This happens in San Francisco, for example, on routes like the 30-Stockton which are incredibly busy but can’t accommodate full-length coaches.

@Peter-mj6lz

4 ай бұрын

People wont pay their fare

It used to be a problem on the 279 and 349 near Edmonton Green where it wouldn't stop but there wasn't any space up on the top deck of even the lower deck

Be like Hong Kong, just add an upstairs seat counter in our buses!

It's isn't the drivers fault. The driver has been told to do this. If he or she doesn't do this and is caught will be issued with a warning for not following company rules. So don't blame the driver. Blame the management.

Bendy buses weren't just used in London: Manchester got some of them on the 135 service to Bury. They were owned by First group, and then got rid of them not long after finding out that the London ones caught fire.

Dont bother raising your hand, stand in the road and FORCE it to stop!! 😮

It's occasionally happened on other bus routes (eg 29) to me, but usually only during times of significant disruption such as Tube strikes. The 123 bus used to be quite bad in the mornings heading eastbound towards Waltham Forest College, so I would have to walk to the college and get on where all the students were leaving.

I always preferred the upper deck myself. Maybe buses need to have those crowd-monitoring cameras that trains have to gauge how full a section is/isn't

How ridiculous! Bendy buses are used widely on the continent. Some now even have two articulated sections (e.g. Bern, St Gallen in Switzerland) and function perfectly well. I haven’t heard of any issues there with them catching fire. Alternatively, why doesn’t London reintroduce trams? OK the cost and the disruption would be considerable, but most large towns and cities in Western Europe have tram systems and they seem very popular.

@khidorahian

6 ай бұрын

Honestly think a new light rail system would be good, maybe above the road or… even below.

That's crazy. I've only been on a bus that didn't stop once but there was clearly something wrong with the driver as it was noon and the bus was almost empty. He skipped three popular stops over the length of a kilometer. Luckily I could take a bus back and didn't miss my connection! It's a shame that public transportation does not receive the same level of care as road maintenance. What good is a wide city road if there is no affordable and convenient way for ordinary people to use it?

And this is why i prefer trains more of a relaxing journey i know they can get delays and cancellations but when there on time its stress free

No such place as kensal town, its either kensal green or kensal rise #dummies lol I used to drive this route and ill be honest, its a flipping nightmare. But not at all points of the route. Harlesden, stonebridge and Wembley are the most challenging areas. You even have regular 9-5ers pulling antics at edgware road…

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

I drive a desk now but I can say that I USED TO miss my London driving on Nat Ex work, but the idea of driving around London all day? I take my hat off to you and any TfL'er for that. I recently drove (car) into London for the first time in several years and only from M1 over to Paddington area. Never again. Not unless the British Army wants to loan me a Challlenger Tank.

@kristinajendesen7111

6 ай бұрын

40 years ago I found the same thing. I worked them out of Westbourne Park but I had a conductor back then. Stonebridge and Wembley they just wouldn't go upstairs.

Im from Harlesden and grew up getting on this packed bus route to everywhere it goes Wembley, central ldn etc. Not suprising I think one of the reasons why it gets packed constantly is because the bakerloo line trains needs to fix up very unreliable and slow and sometimes never runs to its full route most of the times. TfL needs to invest more into their transport

VERY TRUE, I USED TO LIVE IN HARLESDEN AND MY SCHOOL WAS ALL THE WAY IN SOUTH LONDON SO I WAS LIKE HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET ALL THE WAY THERE? BUT ANYWAY, AT THE BUS STOP CRAVEN PARK, AROUND 5 AM, THE BUS WOULD ALWAYS SKIP THE BUS STOP JUST BECAUSE THE LOWER DECK IS FULL AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY A FEW SEATS ON THE UPPER DECK. SO WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO GET ON THE 266 AND RUN TO THE 18 AT THE NEXT BUS STOP. I WAS ACTUALLY GETTING FUSTRATED BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS MAKING MY FAMILY AND I LATE. I HONESTLY THINK THAT DRIVERS NEED TO CHECK THEIR CAMERAS BEFORE SKIPPING A BUS STOP. I MEAN ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS TO BECOME A BUS DRIVER IS TO HELP YOUR COMMUNITY GET AROUND THE WORLD SO ALWAYS BE KIND AND SHOW COMPASSION FOR STRANGERS. THANK YOU BUS DRIVERS FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR LONDON.

My local route 65 ans 237 always full when you try go upstairs seats taken. Both routes have high frequency.

One thing that you people need to realise is it’s not the driver’s fault 😂😂😂. You need to blame the people who won’t move upstairs because most drivers don’t want to terminate the bus or hold back just because some silly passengers won’t go upstairs so have a go at the right people 👍🏾

What's the excuse of Line of Sight? they have cameras everywhere, including upstairs

The bus driver has got to know there's room upstairs. There must be a camera up there for the bus driver to view.

If drivers do that in Scottish towns, they get smacked later on in the shift by other public who keep an eye on the timetable

Ah a bus that doesn’t stop to pick up passengers so that it can maintain its schedule. I’m reminded of “Yes Minister”, where the hospital ran more efficiently without patients.

Can’t blame the driver/operator if he/she can’t see the upper deck, it’s happened to me a few times at Oakwood on the 121, so nothing new, answer was being back the bendy bus, put crews back, or increase the service with more buses, or scrap the 18 completely.

Like how when filming from the pavement, every bus stopped.

found the 2 most charismatic bus passengers in London 😅

Pretty sure the times are an estimation, I'm in the southeast and buses are always late but turn up, I understand if they are sticking to schedule because of the busy hustle and bustle of the city. Also as someone with Customer Service experience, personally I believe that the customer should be notified if there is a delay or a cancellation of said service.

I scrolled for a few minutes to see if anyone had commented that the MP looks and sounds like a post-2018 Hugh Grant character, but I could find one so I guess it's up to me

Why would it matter if the downstairs *WAS* full?! Why would that make a blind bit of difference to people just walking upstairs?? TFL are full civil service daft aren't they...

TRANSPORT FOR LONDON IS A DISGRACE!!

It's not just drivers on route 18. I am convinced that most drivers are just sociopaths that shouldn't seek a customer facing job.

Having been a Bus Driver in London for over 10 years I can honestly say this article is an absolute load of rubbish in terms of blame. The problem happens on numerous routes all over London (Probably in any big city) and the 18 is being used as a scapegoat because of a twopenny reporter and an MP that use it. Passengers will not go upstairs and no matter how many times a driver asks them, if they don't want to go they won't, regardless of their fellow commuters freezing their bits off at the stop. It's the same on single deckers, passengers are reluctant to "move down the bus"......maybe a cattle prod is the answer!! As for the alledged comment from the "Ticket Inspector", which btw is a term that probably went out with the original Routemaster, is just laughable.

@SLTyt

6 ай бұрын

This comment perfectly sums it up

Haha, as an ex №18 driver (Westbourne Park), this was a problem in the 80s. I had a conductor back then though. The 7s, 28s & 31s were Routemasters but the 18s were the modern (then), Metros & Titans. For some reason the passengers, especially in the Wembley area, were too lazy to go upstairs. So you had a bus absolutely rammed solid downstairs but empty on the upper deck. Nothing racial here but it was the Indians that didn't want to go upstairs and would crowd the lower deck. I don't know if it's the same now. Obviously you can't have the platform next to you full of people for safety reasons and to be able to see the nearside mirror. Must be even harder driver only without a conductor.

Do not blame the bus. Blame the drivers.

There are two problems: 1. TFL does need to increase the frequency of the 18, and put extra buses on the route. 2. People need to move upstairs, I just don’t understand why a lot of people can’t be bothered climbing a few steps to a seat. Please move upstairs and make room for others.

Driver has every right, if people are not willing to move upstairs and all stand downstairs then the bus has plated limits for seated and standing. All seated upstairs and downstairs is a mixture of the two! exceeding these with full knowledge puts the driver at risk of offence and being put in front of the traffic commissioner for it which could be a ban!! So if nobody wants the stop then I would drive past too instead of stopping and some entitled arse telling me he’ll have my job for refusing to board them

@thomasdalton1508

6 ай бұрын

Why not stop and tell the passengers getting on that they can only get on if they go upstairs?

@sachapajot-barrass9762

6 ай бұрын

Because its too full, people can't get through to the staircase as its too busy downstairs.@@thomasdalton1508

@alanholderness6138

6 ай бұрын

​@@thomasdalton1508If the bus is full, they're not going to fight their way through to get to the stairs. Even if they tried but failed, once they're on they are not going to get off again.

@thomasdalton1508

6 ай бұрын

@@alanholderness6138 If you wait until people move upstairs before driving off (and tell them that's what you are doing), it won't take long before they move upstairs.

@alanholderness6138

6 ай бұрын

@thomasdalton1508 Valid comment but would it bother the driver if they move or not? They still get paid and it''s just going to make the bus late / later. Having been a driver for over ten years on busy London routes, it may of been something I tried once or twice.

18 isn’t unique for this, it serves a major corridor of NW London, of course it’s going to be busy. It’s the NW London version of 25

As John Cleese say in 1969 parrot sketch: if you want to get anything done in this country you've got to complain until you're blue in the mouth.

Blaming the passengers, well done.

Finally its made it to the bbc, I’ve been dealing with this for at 6 years whilst at school. Also someone should mention the school runs when bus drivers just won’t stop eventhough the bus is clearly empty

Thats the passengers fault for not going upstairs, they just point blank refuse. The passenger's arrogance is the problem not the drivers.

A pensioner isn't likely to go upstairs.

The solution might be found in America ..... A Seattle suburban transit agency, Community Transit, has Double Decker buses and they're equipped with cameras streaming live footage for the driver, so they can see what's going on up top.

Tfl just a joke. The mayor is meant to be the chair but simple goes missing at times like these. There are simply dozens of other examples of tfl not providing a proper service anymore. Take the District line beyond Barking where 10 minute gaps in service are common place.

Cant think of any worse place to live and commute in than London. Or Birmingham as a close second.

Stand in front of it on the road, did it once in my Asian country, it jammed brake and stopped

@deividasverbickas6233

6 ай бұрын

Jenius

Actually you are wrong. The 64 will stop when the lower deck is full and play the announcement "There are seats on the upper deck" until people move up.

@nathanw9770

6 ай бұрын

The 64 is much less frequent than the 18 so they have more time to reshuffle passengers at stops whereas the 18 doesn't.

They should have an x18 bus route.

I thought there were usually mirrors that let drivers see the upper deck, weren’t there? 😂

If the bus is running late and the Inspectors say to can carry on until you get to the end of the route. so the driver can get his stand time before leaving again other wise the driver will be constantly driving all the time with no short breaks

I saw this movie once about a bus that had to SPEED around the city at over 50mph and if its SPEED dropped below 50 it would EXPLODE! I think it was called "The Bus That Couldnt Slow Down!"

The schedules are too tight to save on drivers pay. Drivers are told to ‘bump’ stops in order to keep time as this saves on fines for lost mileage. Other operators have more generous schedules.

Well busses have a weight limit and also a passenger capacity limit. Hard to keep track of how many passengers are on board at any one time but judging by a full floor of people… probably enough. So even if there are a few seats upstairs, if lots of people are standing down stairs and nobody has requested to get off… it won’t stop at a random small bus stop on some small road just for you. People take public services like these for granted lol but in reality if they’ve got people on they couldn’t care less about you waiting at a bus stop.

18 is the busiest bus route in london

So now drivers has to get out of the cab and move passengers to upper deck 😂😅

And they stop stop stop to regulate the service.

i live on the 18 but literally every bus is packed so i usually take the 52 and 206 to my destination

In Japan, the bus will stop and the driver will tell you it's full, apologize and depart.

FGS simply get conductors on them to force people upstairs Jeez you want a slide ruler to work it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Report them. It's not difficult. It requires the same amount of effort as complaining. People are happy to be on their phones 24/7 but not go to the app and log a complaint.

This is why the Boris buses need to be fully serviced and converted to electric to fix all the faults they have, in that way they can put this buses on other busy routes. Boris buses are ideal for busy routes as they are bigger and can take slightly over 100 people at a time. This is coming from a bus driver who drives the Boris and deals with this sort of thing everyday.

What a lot of pish here in Edinburgh it’s the opposite buses are like tins of sardines upstairs and down and there’s no way the driver can see. What’s going on but they always stop

@derektaylor2941

6 ай бұрын

There must be two Edinburghs.

the Harry Porter bus

It would be better if buses were paid for out of taxation. This would reduce costs for several reasons and increase bus usage. Double deckers could also have more doors ( like at the back) which would speed up boarding, making the bus service more efficient.

They should do what they do in my city in canada the front sign will say bus full next bus please

When I was a kid in the grim industrial north of England in the '80s, if the bus was full the driver would slow down at the stop and give a toot-toot on the horn and flash the cabin lights off and on. This was, of course, before deregulation of the buses by the ghost of Tories past, and when another bus would be along in a minute.

@kilodeltaeight

6 ай бұрын

When I lived in Seattle drivers would change their headsign to “Bus Full” when needed, but often full coaches had a far less empty follower no more than a minute behind anyhow. It was a commonly spoken adage to “always take the second bus”, because you’d often get a seat and might even get there faster if the follower overtook the leader.

If the bus doesn't stop for passengers, then what use is the bus? If Sadiq Khan's Transport for London does not provide the service that Londoners (and others) pay for, then WTF use is he? Is it also a coincidence that this service is provided by RATP, the Paris transport authority?

@tcbuses

6 ай бұрын

RATP do operate A LOT of routes. Did you know Arriva runs the London Overground ?

@thebus-ter

6 ай бұрын

But they are losing routes due to financial cuts

@0causton0

6 ай бұрын

I think it's very suspicious the buses are red. You know what else is red? Blood! Makes you think, doesn't it...

I'm not sure that this story is really 'news' worthy, but then again it did affect a fellow BBC journalist and an MP so maybe I'm wrong.

@0causton0

6 ай бұрын

This does just seem to be "one of my colleagues was late for work and needed an excuse, and it's blown up into a whole news article"

MPs riding a bus? Unheard of in my damn country

Outrageous

It's literally called a bus stop

So typical of the attitude of transport for London and Khan.

What an absolute farce! What's the point of a double decker when your only using half the bus. C'mon people get real!

lol a bus that doesn't stop because it's late. only in london i guess. my commuter line did have an issue and ran late every single time. they finally adapted the shedule last december and added 5 minutes for the route which turned out to be plenty so now it has to wait at two stations before continuing.

The problem is the no.18 bus route is run by the French company RATP (Régie Autonome des Transports Parisiens).

@SLTyt

6 ай бұрын

What does that have to do with it? TfL set the route contract requirements (such as number of buses and capacity) and all routes are tendered out to private companies

@londonerwalks

6 ай бұрын

@@SLTyt London transport services shouldn't be run by a French company who's main interest is their shareholders and passengers in French cities.

@SLTyt

6 ай бұрын

@londonerwalks That's just how the tendering system works. TfL don't run any routes themselves. There are also other companies such as Arriva and Metroline (CkmfortDelgro) so I don't get why you're singling RATP out. As I said before, it's TfL who set the requirements of the contracts such as capacity

@londonerwalks

6 ай бұрын

@@SLTyt I'm singling out RATP because as the video states, that is the company who will not stop the no.18 bus at bus stops.

@SLTyt

6 ай бұрын

@londonerwalks It's only the 18 that has made headline news because it affects an MP and a Transport Journalist instead of just the normal public. This happens on many other routes as well? This problem isn't unique to the 18. What do you want RATP to do about it anyways? They're running the service that TfL want. They can't just magic more buses and drivers out of nowhere, and in London most people don't listen when the driver asks them to move upstairs