As Charle DeGaulle once said: "Petain is a great man who died in 1925". 1925 being the year he pushed with success for the building of the Maginot line.

@david-1775

7 жыл бұрын

The Maginot line did exactly what the French wanted. It forced the Germans to come through Belgium where the French wanted to fight. They just left their flank wide open because the didn't believe the German tank forces could come through the Ardennes. THAT is what cost the French the war, that and they couldn't give up hundreds of miles of territory to the Germans like the Russians.

@XXGDUBSXX

7 жыл бұрын

Easy for him to say, he Ran away. Petain stayed to do what he could for France under occupation

@vergerfrancois9410

7 жыл бұрын

There is no comparison beetween a fascist traitor whose only goal was to destroy the Republic and a man who stood up and save France honor. Petain didn't do anything for France during the occupation, he did everything he could for himself.

@vergerfrancois9410

7 жыл бұрын

David1775 Well I agree with you on that but the Maginot line was the symbol of France very defensive tactic which cost us the war without a doubt. There is no way to win a war just by defending yourself, you will get in a position where it's the enemy that make all the moves.

@Quickshot0

7 жыл бұрын

Certainly true, but generals often times fight the last war. And in WW1 being overly aggressive certainly could do you a lot of harm. So he probably figured he could crush the enemy on ideal defensive locations and then in the counter attack take them out. Of course by WW2 the reality of war had shifted to mobile warfare once more and so that was perhaps not the best of ideas any more. Better to spend resources on mobile units again. Though this does make one wonder, what things might have changed about modern war might have changed that we just haven't realized?

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

@haaxeu6501

7 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's weirdly fitting.

@boatriple0watch

7 жыл бұрын

great job!!!

@ericswain70

7 жыл бұрын

well said

@MarekDohojda

7 жыл бұрын

just ask Scipio Africanus

@Redrarwa

7 жыл бұрын

and Benedict Arnold

"You think of the French too much and not enough about France, Marshal." - summed up pretty well about Petain.

@blaisevillaume2225

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackclark1916 Not actually how it works. There was hardly a "French people" until the French government imposed unity.

@sufimuslimlion4114

4 жыл бұрын

@@blaisevillaume2225 yeah but that applies to most countries

@blaisevillaume2225

4 жыл бұрын

@@sufimuslimlion4114 "Yeah but" is for when what follows detracts from someone's point. What you say just extends my point and makes it more general. Most, if not all, national identities are contrived. Italy, Germany, Japan, China, India, all great examples... It's just that the French seemed to be the first to discover that "patriotism" was the cheat code for mobilizing your population into war. That's how they survived the War of the First Coalition.

@aybrokemyback6739

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackclark1916 Not at all, it's your vision because you come from another country. France only exist through Politic and History. It's a construction. You can put France on top of your priority, sacrifice a lot of Français, and France would still exist. You can lost a part of France, gain a new elsewhere, and France still exist. And before that it was a kingdom, which mean that all of the land belong to the King and the people are living on his land, during this time the only thing that was French was the territory that the king was sitting on.

@coulochonou6376

4 жыл бұрын

@@blaisevillaume2225 The French discovered Patriotism as far back as the 100 year war, when we discovered our national identity. It was most threatened during the coalitions, you are correct, but did not start in order to mobilize troops. Might I add, the idea of a French nation and French people fit hand in hand. You think too much of the Royaume des Francs. France is the French people and the other way around. During the monarchy, the general idea of France as a nation was simply the king and its dominions. Afterwards, especially during Louis XV onwards, France became France, borders, culture, patrimony, history and the people, and accepted that way ideologically. When you say there was hardly a French people beforehand, that is pretty untrue as I said, anyone within the range of the French kingdom was considered French and considered themselves French. There were definitely different Frenchmen, due to cultural reasons and dialects, however every person in France was French. The monarchy just didn't know about it and considered them as pawns to their throne. Only, like I said, after Louis XIV, were the French people all accepted as French by the king, seeing France as more of a nation than a throne. The revolution just enhanced those ideas to unite the people even more by imposing the ideas of the republic to everyone (forcefully unfortunately). And once again, patriotism was not a trickery into mobilization, however mobilization did derive from patriotism due to incoming attacks from neighboring countries.

Interesting episode on Petain's role in WWI. One interesting side note is that Petain did not get married until he was in his 60s. He was an infamous womanizer. One biographer I read stated that his men admired him for this, and his reputation with ladies was a part of his popularity. There were also reports of him facilitating the setting up of brothels to help with maintaining morale. Times sure have changed. Course he did live to be 95, which for a man born in 1856 is really quite amazing.

@timdewit6088

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Mackensen, who also lived to be 95. Funny how two of the war's few successful generals lived to that exact age.

@girlgarde

7 жыл бұрын

Oh really? That's VERY interesting to hear that was a womanizer and that he set up brothels to help bolster the morale of his troops. If I were a French soldier in World War 1, Petain would've been my favourite general as he actually knew what he was doing and earned his military rank.

@danielcharman9550

5 жыл бұрын

Makes the Vichy ideal of Catholic piety seem rather ironic

@mike04574

4 жыл бұрын

Herald of History reading here on wiki, says that mackensen lived through the kingdom of Prussia, north German confederation,German empire,Weimar republic, third Reich and post war Germany.... he sure saw a lot

@harrisonvc9175

4 жыл бұрын

so he was French...

The Italians and the Austrians would have given an arm to see Cadorna/Hötzendorf replaced by this guy.

@abu-hureraali4531

7 жыл бұрын

*hands over Hungary*

@Rayan-bj8wn

7 жыл бұрын

i swear to god he would literally find a way to kill 10% of the french population in 1 battle if he replaced Pétain

@abu-hureraali4531

7 жыл бұрын

At Verdun Cadorna has ordered a suicide attack by the French 1st to however many armies there are, the German Machineguns are ready who will win the French or the Germans ...

@ryanv2324

3 жыл бұрын

French Marshall Luigi Cadorna launches the 11th Battle of the Marne!!

Five Republics, Three Kings, Two Emperors and Marshall Petain.

@gringologie9302

6 жыл бұрын

Stanislaus Kitagaul 3 kings ? lol

@hagamapama

6 жыл бұрын

Three kingdoms, not three kings. The Carlings, Capets, and Valois.

@gagool3434

6 жыл бұрын

Valois are a branch of Capets, like Bourbons

@Klaevin

5 жыл бұрын

no, three kings : Louis XVIII , Charles X , Louis-Philippe 1er. All this after the Revolution

@sebastienhubert1598

5 жыл бұрын

Five Republics ; Three Kingdoms ( Merovingians , Carolingian , Capet ) Three Emperors ( Charlemagne , Napoleon I , Napoleon III ) and Marshall Petain .

Petain lived almost 100 years. What a heck of an adventure his life was.

@fahoodie1852

3 жыл бұрын

He was older than the German kaiser, British kings since Queen Victoria to George the fifth, the Russian tsar, and he outlived them all

@didierroux1547

2 жыл бұрын

@Avelus Very far from being a glorious adventure. Capitular twice in 1916, repressive in 1917 Notorious defeatist four times in 1918. User of chemical gases prohibited by international conventions, during the Rif war (Morocco) in 1925. Behaving like an agent of Germany in 1934 opposing the completion of the Maginot Line from Sedan to the North Sea (Channel), leaving this sector (already taken by the Germans in 1914) very poorly defended Same attitude on March 31, 1935 when Pétain and Weygand together opposed the bill tabled in the National Assembly by Paul Reynaud, then deputy, draft constitution of the 10 blind divisions, for the French army. Same attitude on March 31, 1935 when Pétain and Weygand together opposed the bill tabled in the National Assembly by Paul Reynaud, then deputy, draft constitution of 10 blind divisions, for the French army. According to all the testimonies of soldiers of 1940 these divisions will be seriously lacking in May and June 1940 during the Battle of France. Always the same attitude at the beginning of 1937, when Pétain had one of his collaborators, General Vuillemin, "tidy up" the project for the constitution of air squadrons (Fighter planes & Bombardiers) of 1936 established by the General of the Air Force Jauneaud In September 1939 the Pétain ambassador in Madrid refuses to return to Paris, despite the official request of the President of the Council Daladier (Prime Minister) when war has already been declared (September 3, 1939) Arrived at the government in Paris on May 17, 1940, following a second request from the new President of the Council, Reynaud Pétain refused to occupy the post of Ministry of Defense (or War) that the government offered him when he had already (badly!) held this position in 1934 And that Petain had been a career soldier since 1876 duly paid to defend his motherland. What cowardice! And I stop at the year 1940, there is still a lot to say ..... what an infamous character Pétain was during his long life

FINALLY! I love you guys

@canicheenrage

7 жыл бұрын

Maréchal Pétoche ! Vous ici ?!

@XXGDUBSXX

7 жыл бұрын

Marechal nous voila

@philippepetain8071

7 жыл бұрын

Also that TGW, I didn't lose all my titles, the French court didn't have the power to remove my "Marechal of France" title.

@DEXTER-up8pd

7 жыл бұрын

Philippe Pétain tes pas français j'en suis sûr répond si t'es un homme

@bazzatheblue

6 жыл бұрын

Philippe Pétain you're still a Vichy pos.;)

I thought Bret Deveraux summed up Petain well: "It is difficult to imagine any human being whose final reputation could have been more improved by having been fatally struck by a bus in 1939"

What do you exlect would have happend if he diden't surrender to the germans? The French army and the shouth would have been steemrolled by the german blitzkrieg, and even more civilian would have died.

@karlkarlos3545

7 жыл бұрын

I think it's not his surrender which makes him controversial.

@clementcharpentier9058

7 жыл бұрын

i have nothing to said about surending in 39 but the colaboration ,the exterme right policy and the extermination of the jew ...

@edoardobartolini3098

7 жыл бұрын

+Clément Charpentier I agree with you, but a direct occupation by the german reich would have been much worse in my opinion.

@clementcharpentier9058

7 жыл бұрын

we had a direct occupation in the north of france and it wasn't so differant. he could have save the jew if he had just by not helping, giving order to hide them..

@RGA1944

7 жыл бұрын

Without collaboration, the Germans would kill two millions of French prisoners held in Germany (at least that was what they said they would do), French villages would be razed and pillaged, just like in Vercors in 1944 and everywhere else in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union throughout the war. Just saying that compared to the East, both resistance and civilian casualties in Occupied France was nothing.

4:51 The French made a movie about this special form of punishment. It's called A Very Long Engagement

@Lenmil

7 жыл бұрын

That is a movie more people should watch. Amazing film.

Hello Indy, here´s my question for OOTT I´ve always wondered about: Given the unimaginable noise of artillery, machine guns, rifles, grenades etc.: were there any methods of preventing hearing damage, such as earplugs? And if so, were those methods effective? I can imagine that basically all of the frontline soldiers that served for a while under such conditions must have had irreversible damage to their sense of hearing. Greatings from Austria!

@RGA1944

7 жыл бұрын

Hearing damage might be irreversible but unlikely to be disabling: you might have trouble 50 years later but very few soldiers went deaf from the noise of the battle (unless it was a close hit, but that's completely different matter). Failing to hear an incoming shell might result in violent death or severe maiming. If I had been a WW1's soldier, I would have not in any case worn earplugs.

GREAT! I suggested this on their discussion board on their yt channel. I am glad they made a video and also hinted the ww2 surprising controversy. Honestly when wikied the ww2 vichy France to see who was in running stuff I was stunned to recognize the name. It was Petain! IT RAISES SO MANY QUESTIONS OF HOW, WHY, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM during the ww2 Vichy France years and after it fell.

What about an episode on de Gaulle?

@nostradamusofgames5508

7 жыл бұрын

YES!

@Klavikule

7 жыл бұрын

+Peter Jerman There's isn't much too say about de Gaulle's role in WW1. For half the war he was a company-level infantry officer, and he spent the second half as a prisoner of war after being wounded and captured by the Germans at Verdun.

@peterjerman7549

7 жыл бұрын

Klavikule Still he was very close to Petain and tryed and suceed to escape from prison

@YoHoOMirster

7 жыл бұрын

that's after WWI.

@Lebretonvenitien

6 жыл бұрын

Kamchatskiye nope

"Steeling telephone cables was punishable by death" Why would soldiers steal telephone cables, French soldiers I mean?

@sonicgoo1121

7 жыл бұрын

That's something that still happens today. The metal is valuable.

@agusti92

7 жыл бұрын

Copper is really valuable. Massive thefts occur from time to time in railroads, and even in military bases.

@canicheenrage

7 жыл бұрын

Steel phone cables work less efficiently than copper ones, i think. :P

@agusti92

7 жыл бұрын

It's been 30 min, and I'm steel impressed by your reply!

@Mrmaffol96

7 жыл бұрын

South italy too, cause they only have the sun, the sea and the mafia hahahah

I love this episode! Would like to see more on how tactics evolved throughout the war with examples.

Too bad about that whole Vichy thing.

@eemmiill201

7 жыл бұрын

great*

@eboypilled

7 жыл бұрын

he was just doing what he thought was best for France, the result was bad, but his intent good.

@ABPHistory

7 жыл бұрын

yeah but still

@TRH059

7 жыл бұрын

i get your point that he was doing what he thought was best, but he was still willingly the leader of a puppet state of the nazi party

@ABPHistory

7 жыл бұрын

Thomas Hayes yep

About how you pronounce "Chemin-des-Dames" : pronounce the end of "chemin" like the end of "Pétain". You'd need the word to be written "Chemine" to pronounce the end like the english "in"

@lucbuydens6191

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Normally I do not mind bad accents, but this is a specialised channel and he misspeaks the name so many times.

@robertpendergast2620

7 жыл бұрын

"sh-meh day dahm"

@FwendlyMushwoom

7 жыл бұрын

French needs some major spelling reform, is there any other language that puts so many letters in its words that you don't pronounce?

@BraceletGrolf

7 жыл бұрын

You don't just reform a language, it sounds great and evolves over time, you can't just decide to change everything.

@FwendlyMushwoom

7 жыл бұрын

Romain I'm talking about changing the spelling to actually match the pronunciation. Languages get reforms like this all the time, and French even has a centralized authority to do it (the Academie Francaise)

It is shocking how much content you have created from this singular "major" historical event. It has really opened my eyes about a lot of sociopolitical issues that I was previously ignorant about.

@waynrbunyea7059

Жыл бұрын

This is not accurate. I would recommend other sources. Petain was a hero, not a traitor.

right after i clicked on this i got a great war game ad lol and it zoomed out right in verdun... what a coincidence

@zlatko8051

5 жыл бұрын

Die Fahradsstadt What’s that game

Great show guys very informative and entertaining, keep up the good work!!

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We will!

I love this series so much. Best youtube channel ever.

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for your incredible job! Hope you won't stop :)

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

Never...

@MrLecourbe

7 жыл бұрын

Wow! Quick answer =) No seriously, I'm Swiss (French speaking part of Switzerland) and I don't understand 100% all of what you are saying, but it helps me to learn history and English, so thanks a lot :D

@MrLecourbe

7 жыл бұрын

Napoleonic Wars xD

@abbeberg6776

7 жыл бұрын

The Great War Please do a historical trailer analasys of the new battlefield 1 campaign trailer!

@MrLecourbe

7 жыл бұрын

Abbe Berg Battlefield 1 isn't historical or realistic xDD

guys he was 80 years old and increasingly demented in 1940, also he took over the country at a time the country had tactically been defeated, surrender was the only way and also he did apparently(they say) prevent to the best of his abilities french jews to be sent to germany. that said i don't agree with the myth that he was france's greatest general in ww1, foch was the true winner.

From Hero of WW1 to traitor of WW2.

@Yassen2828

7 жыл бұрын

From a different point of view.

@theshoeburger

7 жыл бұрын

To play devils advocate for him and others like him in WW2 - there had been simmering anti-Republican feeling, with the 2nd Republic seen by some (especially in catholic areas) as corrupt, diplomatically weak, godless, and unrepresentative of the 'French nation'. There were plenty of far-right organisations in France, but the monopoly on violence remained firmly in the hands of the state, unlike Germany and Italy, thus they could make little impingement on left-wing organisations protected under the Republic's right to free speech. Crucially, Petain was appointed as legitimate successor to Reynard and Lebrun. The Cabinet gave consent for armistice. The Vichy regime was legitimate and not a puppet state of Nazi Germany, but an entity of its own creation. The 'French State' was then created in the spirit of those who believed democratic Republicanism was a failure; it was the authoritarian streak in French politics was manifest. Petain may have betrayed Republican ideals, but he was certainly not alone. As Vichy was mostly based in the south, where many aformentioned anti-Republican ideals were strongest, you have a legitimate government led by a legitimate leader with legitimate policy. It becomes difficult to 'resist' such a thing until it is forced by Nazi direction into gradually more insidious and anti-semite policy after 1941-ish. Too much information for a youtube comment, but I suppose this sort of thing ought to be said. Authoritarian regimes happened - and happen now - for complex, and apparently powerful, reasons just as insidious as the regimes themselves.

@ignacio1171

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed, but it is still sad the way he died

@Johnny3Batony

7 жыл бұрын

He was not a traitor. He did what was best for his people. Would you want slaugther of the French people like it happened in Poland? Ethnic cleansings, targeting of elites? Think again, before you talk shit.

@dukeofmania6504

7 жыл бұрын

Marechal, Nous Voila!

PLEASE PLEASE Do a special on Vladimir Lenin

@ignacio1171

7 жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for the Spain special, so yeah, it may take a while.

@Merf_Gaming

7 жыл бұрын

south africa has been done

@persebra

7 жыл бұрын

Of COURSE they are going to cover Lenin.

@agusti92

7 жыл бұрын

I know, Spain can certainly offer an interesting episode with the massive riots due to WW1. Also, I would like an external view about the sympathies for the belligerent factions inside Spain, supposedly linked to centralism/federalism.

@hebl47

7 жыл бұрын

I bet it never crossed their minds :P

awww yeah ive been waiting for this one

I've been meaning to do this for a while whenever the topic of Verdun has come up in the videos and this seems like as good a time as any. In the early '90s, I started buying the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles comic books which featured adaptations of the television show episodes. One that made quite an impression on me featured a teenage Indy as a courier in WWI and there was a particularly grisly story arc set at Verdun. The carnage depicted had such an impact on me that I wrote a song about a soldier who wounded himself to try to escape the hell of combat, if only for a little while, and then due to the evangelical efforts of a nurse, escapes a different kind of Hell. I never ended up putting the lyrics to music, but after watching this episode, I decided to dig through my old archive and type these, if for nothing else than to entertain some fans of the channel. I figured it'd be fun. (If anyone wants to use them for a musical project, that'd be fine, but please keep in mind, these were written by a fourteen-year-old lad with a melodramatic Christian background.) SOLDIER (Verdun 1916) I wounded myself to leave the lines I was a coward I left my friends behind. They sent me back from the hospital, though I didn't want to I couldn't shoot a gun, I didn't know what to do. The bullets ripped through my flesh, I fell down on my knees, I called up, though I didn't believe...in you. I lived somehow, and at the hospital I met a nurse, with a heart for one God, and no money in her purse. At first I thought her foolish, to believe in something so strange. She talked about a guy on a cross, I didn't think I could change. She told me about things, when I wasn't so well, that I'll go either place, may it be Heaven or Hell. So one night I spoke to you, asking for forgiveness of my sins, you forgave me and I trusted, you welcomed me in. As I lay on my deathbed, thinking about what I have never known, my heart stopped beating, and I knew I was not dead and alone. The war that waged inside of me ended that night so peacefully. Now I'm in another army. I'm a Soldier for God.

Can you do a special episode about Milan Rastislav Štefánik? Every one of Slovak citizens knows what he did for his country, But what he did during the world war I. ?

@XJevoX

7 жыл бұрын

to by mohli :)

@olivercernicky24

7 жыл бұрын

to teda! :D

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

As someone who never heard of him (We usually forget Slovakia even exists), who was he and what did he do?

@olivercernicky24

7 жыл бұрын

He was one of founders of Czechoslovakia. You know, Slovakia was always part of some empire. During war it was part of Austria-Hungary but shortly after the war, Czechoslovakia was made.

I am back. :P Short one this time because I am feeling quite ill. :/ The ideas of Pétain as to how to fight would also influence into the second world war. The standing doctrine for the French Army in 1940 was "Methodical Battle". This is an extremely top down type of command with a very large emphasis on defence and firepower. The idea was to substitute lower numbers of French soldiers for firepower. The shortage was caused by a lower population than Germany, a lower birthrate in general in France and a severe demographic hole in French requirement thanks to the WW1 losses. Dead soldiers tend to not be able to make babies and as I like to call it "going full Spartan" would not be socially acceptable. With "full Spartan" I mean that when ancient Sparta went to war and suffered heavy losses in men, back in the city the remainder of the male Spartans would literally impregnate all woman, married of widowed in one big orgy to start making up for the losses. Yes, really. Back on topic. Methodical Battle is quite comparable to late WW1 warfare. It is a type of attrition very similar to WW1 but with refinements. Artillery was made far more capable of rapid response and the French artillery arm has to be considered superior to German one in 1940 where as during WW1 the German artillery arm was better. The result was the ability to lay down enormous barrages. The requirement for this was that the French had time to prepare there position. They needed the time to dig multiple trench lines, man them, dig in the artillery and lay field phone lines. No radio's for the French, you can listen in on those and uncover the plans. Enough German officers who could understand French. That brings me to the command. The doctrine opposed lower level initiative and instead emphasised top down, careful planning. The reasoning was that with so much firepower now available, low level initiative would cause massive casualties from friendly fire. Therefore every lower level of command was to do as ordered, when they where ordered to do so. This mandates strict timetables, preplanned and often predicable routes of advance or positions of defence and no flexibility to respond to unforeseen circumstances. The problem was that the Germans had no appetite to go WW1 all over again and there emphasis on manoeuvre and initiative largely made the French artillery redundant. There simply wasn't enough time to prepare for the French. Further if they where prepared and opened fire the complete airsuperiority of the Germans would allow them to quickly locate, identify and destroy French batteries with there now infamous Ju-87 Stuka's. Further German artillery was quite good at identifying and destroying enemy batteries with counterfire which stopped French artillery. Further the German frontline commanders could easily have a better understanding of conditions on the battlefield than there French counterparts far behind the lines. The Germans could employ there flexibility and initiative and attack before the French command even knew what was happening. While the French command would then be informed while events where unfolding and would come up with a response, the Germans already changed the conditions in the field with often successful attacks and pressed on. Orders would arrive to late or not at all and the situation would not be overseen by the French command. The results must be quite clear seeing as it ended with the German 6th Army marching threw Paris. Yes, that is the same army that ended up in that city along the Volga, Stalingrad or something like that... It wasn't so much that this doctrine was bad. It would have probably worked against most armies just fine. Against the Germans however it was useless.

@RickBrode

5 жыл бұрын

DaniëlWW2 short you say

@madhukarjonathanminj2772

2 жыл бұрын

wow that was really insightful,thanks Daniel

@didierroux1547

Жыл бұрын

The ideas of petain as how to fight boiled down to order fall back, retreats, evacuations, abandonments in 14-18 and in 1940 not to fight, Armistice and collaboration with the invader.

good work

Hi Indy and crew, how goes the war? Wondering if you could do an episode on Henry Stoker commander of the AE2, the sub that made it through the Dardanelles. If time allows Sir John Monash too, from what I have read they are two very interesting men. Thank you so much for the amazing work you do.

playing as vichy france in hoi4 now

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

So when does the glorious revolution start Comrade?

@konstancemakjaveli

7 жыл бұрын

sander heutink revolution? Pfft. Philipe Petain as the head of Vichy France is a lot better.

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

Of course, but at some point you need to overthrow the dirt German aggressors so you can re-establish the Greater French Empire.

@Healermain15

7 жыл бұрын

Ah, I see. So, invaded any British islands of late?

@konstancemakjaveli

7 жыл бұрын

Scott Fagerberg yes, and edward VIII becomes the emperor.

His sometime protégé Charles de Gaulle later wrote that Pétain’s life was "successively banal, then glorious, then deplorable, but never mediocre".

@didierroux1547

Жыл бұрын

@Oliver ZURCHER You forget that in June 1940 General De Gaulle called Petain a traitor. Which was really true! It's worse than mediocre !

Question for “Out of the Trenches.” Can you do an episode about the Great War service of Generals Patton, Eisenhower, MacArthur, etc.?

The quote used in the video, which source is that from? I'm writing a research paper on Pétain and I'm trying to find all the sources I can get. I'm a huge fan of TGW and you guys do amazing work! Thanks!

Yay! I've been waiting for this one for a while. Petain was an interesting figure whose contributions in WWI are (justly) overshadowed by his treachery and collaboration during WWII.

@waynrbunyea7059

Жыл бұрын

He was never a traitor. That doesn't even make sense.

@animatorofanimation128

Жыл бұрын

@@waynrbunyea7059 You say, as Petain gladly sent Jewish French Citizens to die because big daddy Hitler asked him

Patain's legacy should be remembered. He was Great.

@thegoodgunner

4 жыл бұрын

he was great until he wasnt

@wilburdemitel8468

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, to his death Petain rocked

Can I get the link for the pic @ 7:34? I really like the French tank in the background. Stay fabulous you guys and question for out of the trenchs, what where the main artillery pieces for each nation and their paramators?

This video has some great branding

are you going to analyze the battlefield 1 gamescon trailer?

@egoshOOter14

7 жыл бұрын

Did you played the Beta? Battlefield 1 is a failure.... well, it is DICE.... so it's a failure by default

@someloner2544

7 жыл бұрын

"failure" I dont think your opinion is a one that is supported by alot of people

@egoshOOter14

7 жыл бұрын

Just because people ''believe'' in something or think it will do good, doesn't mean IT IS good. People followed Hitler, Stalin, Mao and some people even think that DICE is a good game developer, so YOUR point is invalid aswell. I've played the Beta and it was utter garbage, that's all that's to it, nothing more or less.

@someloner2544

7 жыл бұрын

Relaxo just because you think its garbage doesnt mean that everybody does, i played the beta and i enjoyed it :P

@egoshOOter14

7 жыл бұрын

Some Loner That's easy then... you're wrong;D

i love who you are always very objective and just talk about WW1 . but as a french i fell that you were too nice with Petain.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

I feel that the French are the last people to be able to objectively separate Petain the hero in 1916 from Petain the tired old man that couldn't carry on the fight in 1940 De Gaulle lamented the show trial of Petain and he was right to do so. This was a man that had done much for his country and did what he thought was right for France in 1940. He should have been shown more respect, but France was too bruised from its humiliation to be objective enough to do so.

Watching your great works of The Great War!Well Done! Question:in one of the earliest videos (of the year 1914) you mentioned that the forts became sitting ducks/obselete because of powerful long range artillery and all the effort and money was for nothing building them.Why did the French build the Maginot line though?Huge mistake?Or excellent defence system? Request:a video about Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Thx.

sorry I'm late to the party, but being a huge ww history buff thank you for this channel and I'm here to learn more

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

Welcome, we hope you enjoy the show!

@Le_Daron

7 жыл бұрын

You pronounce "Philippe Pétan", not "Pétain" (like "putain"...) oh... you need to know "pétant" means "farting", so Philippe Farting... well... ;) Thank you for the great job, by the way

A great ww1 general, overshadowed by its shameful role in ww2. He prepared the victory for Nivelle at Verdun and dealt with the mutinees. However the mutinees never threatened a total collapse of the French army. Only a few divisions were severely affected, others only by isolated elements or no problem at all. The French were fiercely resisted operation Michael, even sending 40 divisions to save the British from re embarking, were back on the offensive at 2nd Marne, which was the first victory of a serie that would end the war. Americans AND tanks were usefull at the end

Hey! The Great War Team! New Battlefield 1 Single Player trailer just came so a analys Video Please? And FYI it was amazing!

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

We will see, if we have time, but at the moment there are a few of us on vacation and we have to setup our new studio first.

@karikarhu599

7 жыл бұрын

Ok! Keep up the good Work!

@andreip1997

7 жыл бұрын

Yes I wanted to suggest that

@Squiglypig

7 жыл бұрын

Yes! Please do it. I played the beta of Battlefield 1. It was a fun game, but it wasn't that good of a WW1 game. There's too few people in the maps, the tanks are too fast, it's too mobile (it'll be the same on the Western Europe maps) and, of course, France is a DLC rather than a starter faction...

@YoHoOMirster

7 жыл бұрын

Wait is there not much due to beta or is that the server storage

Mr. Great Wars man, I'm shocked you guys haven't done a special on Charles Lanrezac. In fact, I don't think he's ever been mentioned. He was practically the only French general that understood the dire situation of the German's marching through Belgium and refused to attack and remained on the defensive. He's reluctance is credited with saving the French.

I read in 'the Beauty and The Sorrow' that sending men into no mans land as punishment was unconfirmed. Love the show, just thought I'd mention that.. 'th Beauty and the Sorrow' is a great book btw.

Can you imagine ordering 428 executions of your own men who simply were tired of suicidal charges? Seems that he was proud of it too. That's some kind of crazy.

@AaronB99999

7 жыл бұрын

428 executions vs. losing discipline and possibly losing the war, at much greater cost than 428 lives. Generals like Petain do those calculations all the time, or get replaced by someone who will. Honestly, those 428 probably weren't even guilty, or not all of them. It was just a necessary statement from an army facing a widespread mutiny.

@YiGzit

7 жыл бұрын

How did you even come to that interpretation? That he was proud of that. It is vital for any army to make sure mutiny does not escalate. It was a neccessary action of Petain to keep controle of his army. A small sacrifice for a long-term victory is all I can see. And besides, Petain was cleaning up the problems that came to exist because of the other general who regularly went in the offense, which let to mutiny.

@RGA1944

7 жыл бұрын

90% of the death sentences were reduced. Giving that almost half of the French army was affected by the mutiny, it was actually lenient. If you want to find a sadistic commander who executed his soldiers for fun, look into Italy and find a guy with the first name of Luigi.

@ohauss

7 жыл бұрын

Such was the practice of the day. Plus, given that it concerned the defense of the country, I'd assume there was plenty of public support for it.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

You CAN NOT tolerate mutiny in the army. You absolutely CAN NOT afford to do this, not under any circumstances. The moment you tolerate mutiny in any form there is no authority and soon there is no army. Petain had to make a statement to the troops that authority will be respected and what would happen if it was not. He confined it to a group of examples rather than decimating his armies by going after all the perpetrators, or even the leaders of all the perpetrating units. It is much much less than he could have done, and much much MUCH less than the book said he was supposed to do.

ROFLMAO@ " Foch You" tee shirt, I may just have to one. Funny but true story. My sis married a Frenchman and moved to Paris 30+ years ago. One time she came home (Hawai'i) to visit family with her 3 French only speaking kids. During their visit we decided to take them to "SEALIFE PARK" short of a Hawaiian version of Sea World. While walking through the park they spotted the pond with seals and sea-lions. They got so excited seeing live pinnipeds for the first time so they started jumping up & down pointing and yelling "PHOQUE! PHOQUE! PHOQUE! When we got to the seal pond they continued to embarrassingly point and yell "PHOQUE! PHOQUE! PHOQUE!" all the while the many tourists around us giving us strange looks.

You guys should do a video breaking down the new battlefield 1 singleplayer trailer. That would make a good video.

Hello Indy (: Would there ever be an episode about "even though it wasn't a country at the time" Poland during WW1? Many Polish fought on the eastern front. On my mom's side of the family her great grandfather fought in the Russian Imperial Army. He was a deserter from the Russian Imperial army later on, survived ww1 and ww2. I've never found out his name but he passed away in the 1960s.

His strategy proves only more that he never changed his mind in his life . He is a defensive and a conservative . Not a offensive and a rebel like Charles de Gaulle

@sudhanshupanta8108

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Charles de Gaulle is also considered conservative

@kidpagronprimsank05

2 жыл бұрын

@@sudhanshupanta8108 de Gaulle were neither. He was a realist whom followed the trend of the time

Hey Indie and others, I love your Show and just ordered a poster and a tshirt from your shop. But I wonder, if there were any soldiers, which came from an enemy country, served in other armies. For example a German guy, who serves in the French army. Wish you dudes a beautiful day.

@abu-hureraali4531

7 жыл бұрын

it could happen for example some natives from a former German colony might have been conscripted and forced to fight

I want not one episode a day... But three at the very least, damnit.

Hearts of iron IV

Rest in Peace Marshall.

Could you do a Who did what episode on Erich Raeder please, the future Grand admiral in WW2 ?

Can you make video about Czechoslovakian Legion please?

Petain A man who simply loved his country that was a victim of circumstance and a poorly organized government and military, from hero to "traitor" from one world war to another

@Paul_Trenbolone

2 жыл бұрын

The Winner decide who is the Hero

"I Shall make no further statement, i will not reply to a single question. For a Marshall of France asks mercy from none!" -Phillipe Petain (at his trial 1945)

@potato23116

2 жыл бұрын

Our spirit of enjoyment was stronger than our spirit of sacrifice. We wanted to have more than we wanted to give. We tried to spare effort, and met disaster. - Henri Philippe Pétain

@didierroux1547

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan V And then after August 15, 1945 at his trial Petain was stripped of his title of marshal or even also that of academician. Which was only fair!

How about a special on Ernst Junger? He was a pretty cool guy, in both world wars.

+The Great War, you mention Petain kept asking for more and more artillery. I've heard some other places that the artillery industry was placed under a great amount of stress in the beginning of the war as it was coping with these issues. Any chance you have a video on how different countries and their industries handled this supply nightmare?

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

We don't have a video about that, yet. But will try to cover more economy focused topic in the future.

More epic facial hair. Where my HOI4 players at?

And be betrayed the country that betrayed him through decadence.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

And betrayed him also by setting him up as the one that must take the fall after the issue was already decided. By the time Petain was in charge in 1940 there was nothing for the French to do but surrender.

@canicheenrage

7 жыл бұрын

He was involved in the coup d'état that arrested the minister and representatives that wanted to go on fighting, and would later be executed in their cell. He was the one the failed fascist coup attempts in the '30s wanted to put at the head of the country. As linked was the man, future Pétain's minister of defense, that was in charge where the germans broke through and where unique incompetence and lacks occured. As for "betrayal", you can also look at, say, the united states and the united kingdom. Please don't talk about things you obviously know nothing about. Thanks.

@michealohaodha9351

7 жыл бұрын

What coup is that? I have never heard of it and would like to find out more. Thanks

@canicheenrage

7 жыл бұрын

Michéal Ó hAodha Fair enough. Put on your tinfoil Adrian helmet on, conspiracy ahead. There had been two previous coup attempts, one the 6th of february 1934, where extreme right organisations, including veterans, stormed the parliament, and were only stopped by a charge of the republican guard ( cavalry ). Then, in 1937, another failed. Instigated largely by the Cagoule, a fascist organisation payed and armed by fascist Italy to fall the third republic. Part of the organization was dismantled by the french police, which seized tens of thousands of weapons, including field and machine guns. The Cagoule, which had and would commit assassination of political opponents, had also support in the high echelons of the army. While they wanted, at the time, to put Pétain at the head of the country, their highest support was Franchet d'Esperey, former hero of the Marne, and planner of the Campagne d'Orient ( you'll hear about it when the french and serbian armies will fall the Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria in 1918, isolating germany ). He was retired, though. But his protégé, the General Huntziger, wasn't. Now, if you look objectively at the 1940 campain, you'll notice that the only mass panic and surrender of the french army happened where the germans broke through. That breakthrough at the hinge of the allied positions lost the campain. The british, who in 1914 had to be convinced not to reimbark for britain, running, the belgians surrendering on the verge of secession. After Dunkirk, the 65 remaining french divisions and 1200 french tanks would fight hard ( french and germans both at 2000kia/day ) but alone, outnumbered 2 to 1, with german air superiority, would no longer be able to chance the tide of battle. Now, who had been in charge in Sedan ? Huntziger. Youngest general in the french army. Whos staff too was linked to the Cagoule. In his sector, the works he was responsible for were unfinished to the point of being "useless", an arms commission report said. he dismissed it a civilians-know-nothing. The number of bunkers per mile was half that of the rest of the Line. The mines had not been laid. An officer who trained his men to AT fire, was arrested. A commander that had made manoevers with neighbouring units, and reported they now had a "soul", saw them fragmented in the entire sector shortly after. The one to come up with "tanks can't pass through forests.", contradicted by several french reports. When warned by the french secret services the Abwehr had asked its agents to check if bridges from Sedan to Dunkirk could support tanks, did nothing. When the recon aircraft spotted columns of german armor up to the horizon in the Ardennes, he claimed "your pilots were frightened by a few motorcyclists". Then, the pilots took volunteer tank officers with them, and made low altitude recon over the flak-riddled troops. 50 times. To no avail. Strangely, the info was not sent to Gamelin. When warned the attack was for the night, went to the theater. When the french troops launched an early counterattack, he falsely claimed to have been bombed and displaced his HQ, cutting all coordination, preventing the counterattack but also the defensive schrapnel barrages on the bunkers ( suspended because of the counterattack ), allowing them to fall to infantry. When the chief of the french air force told him he had taken several squadrons on other sectors to send them to support the troops, and he just had to point where and when, he answered "everything is quiet". And after that ? Well, he was the one sent by Pétain to negociate with the germans at Rethondes ( where he would report "no term was dishonorable", even sending the german refugees back to nazi germany), and was named minister of Defense of the Pétain government. Oh, and he was also the first recipient of the fascist "order of the Francisque". Posthumously. He died in an aircraft accident in 1941 after visiting the french air force squadrons which transit to Gibraltar to keep on fighting had been canceled by the british attack on Mers-El-Kebir. Tragic. Anyway. 1940, government is in Bordeaux.The betrayals of the US and the UK not leaving many choices left: Keep on fighting ( the majority of the government, but most being unconvinced, a few passionnate ), or ask for armistice terms with germany ( minority, but very passionnate ). As north african colonies had more equipment ( equipped infantry, guns, and even combat aircraft ) at the time than there were in England, it was decided that while the die-hards would go there to organise defenses, the defeatists would ask germany what terms they would offer. If acceptable, it would be agreed, if not, they'd fight from the empire. The UK, without which, since accords had been signed, France could not surrender, had given their agreement for such an action. But before when the ship carrying the minister Mendel and the parliament members to North Africa arrived, they were arrested ( "had i been ordered to shoot my brains out, i'd have done so gladly, but unfortunately my orders are more cruel" ) under false accusations of high treason, tried, and would be executed in their cell in 1944 when the country was being liberated. The remaining members of parliament would vote themselves out of existence, and democracy would fall. A fascist regime, with its cult of the leader, own SA&SS ( milice, LVF ) would rise. More neutral than most think, but still zealous in providing the third reich in money, materials, workers or extermination camp fodder. With happily limited, but still too high results. If there is no formal proof ( and documentation, maintained secret for 70 years, sees some strangely "missing", like the memoirs of the police commissionner in charge of the Cagoule enquiry), there is a the very least a conflict of interests; I estimate the conclusions of a military coup to be by far the most reasonable. In Spain, the fascist coup succeeded with Italian and German help. In France, as the two previous ones failed, the german and italian invasion was needed to have on succeed as well. And as the french troops fought, Weygand was repeating "if only i was sure the germans would leave me enough men to maintain order"...While two divisions were stationed in Paris to prevent a "communist uprising". Oh, and lastly: Hard to make a revolution with millions of battle-hardened men, mostly leftists, in the way. Pétain and the germans broadcast his call to surrender to the troops 3 days before the armistice ( which was illegal in its form after french law, too ) kicked in, causing 1.100.000 of the 1.500.000 french prisoners of war. Now, the "revolution nationale" was free to fall democracy. After encountering Pétain and Laval, Adolf Hitler said "these are true fascists !". Word of an expert. The coup is mentioned in Churchill's war memoirs. In De Gaulle's war memoirs, too. There is also "Murder in the Metro: Laetitia Touraux and the Cagoule in the 30's France". And the pretty complete "the collapse of the thrid republic". In french, you also have "Le choix de la défaite", and on youtube "2000 ans d'histoire: La Cagoule", an episode of a radio show on history. The military part however is a crosscheck of lots of books on the subject. i'm preparing a video on France in ww2, and it's looong. But there'll be the detailed sources. Hope it was of interest and use.

@BlitZnGodzilla117

7 жыл бұрын

canicheenrage damn I can't believe I actually read all of that :p

Just one little thing: the links at the end disappear very quickly, and are half hidden by the time-bar. Good episode, anyways.

Battlefield 1 Official Single Player Trailer PLEASE REVIEW IT!

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

We will see, if we have time, but at the moment there are a few of us on vacation and we have to setup our new studio first.

@LeHappiste

7 жыл бұрын

-British pilot -British tank crew -Bedouin woman who fights for Britain -Harlem Hellfighter People love to complain about the amount of blacks in that game, but what bother me the most is the overwhelming focus on Brits. I mean, okay for the tank crew, but France had the best allied air force in that war and the best allied aces. Why put another fucking Brit there? It should have been -French pilot -British tank crew -Russian soldier -German messenger (Adolf H)

@airmanjack5157

7 жыл бұрын

ohh

@ikentspell2659

7 жыл бұрын

whos adolf habitch?

@YoHoOMirster

7 жыл бұрын

you!

See a lot of people saiyng that Pétain betrayed France in 1940 France was the Main "Human Shield" to stop the Germans for 4 Years France face the Germans almost alone and by the end of the war his state was almost the same as Germany(complet shit) Pétain was a National Hero and as a "soldier" hes desired was to protect the state and the people. Thats why that after the Germans "invade" and ocupy north of France, Pétain took the command and surrender to the Germans. it was the best solution for France because if they continue to fight it would be the end for France. Germany ocupy the rest of it because they need more Factories and resources to wage war and ocupy south France would protect some factories from the Brits Bombers. its injust for some one like him to be jail sentence until dead, Pétain desired only the good for France and protect the people like the Germans, Brits and Russians and anyone else. and is not good to see documents or others things abouts this writ by some of the Winners Countrys because there is pretty much lies on it. This is my Honest oppinin about him and Hey Indi, Great Show :D

......a great French hero.

2:45 - So Philippe was one of the founders of "inner peace through superior firepower?"

I do love Philippe Pétang

The French Benedict Arnold

@IvorMektin1701

7 жыл бұрын

The French Quisling..... this could go on...

@tejmazwei

7 жыл бұрын

Definitely Quisling.

@mad_max21

7 жыл бұрын

Benedict Arnold is more accurate. Both Arnold and Petain saved their nations first before betraying them.

@Dave_Sisson

6 жыл бұрын

Benedict Arnold is a great hero of mine. He was brave enough to fight for his rightful king against mutinous rebels, but Petain took the easy way out and opted not to fight in WWII. So they are very different people.

@wizar6712

5 жыл бұрын

Dave Sisson Are you praising him for siding with a monarch?

Petan ... can't really blame him too much for what he did in WW2 after all he witnessed in WW1. Traitor? Yes. Justified by society in afterthought? Possibly.

Can you discuss Otto Von Mismarcks role in the sausage raids in the summer of 1915?

Morale from superior fire power... There's something to that, I've seen a few video's online that show our troops cheering and in very high sprites when say an A-10 makes a gun run. In fact some troops say just hearing the distinctive sound of an A-10 over head can be enough to not only increase morale in our troops but also cause the enemy to run even when they outnumber us. I'd assume any air power over head might cause this, but the A-10 has very loud high pitched engines sounding something like a scream. The same effect can be seen in some WWII clips that show Nazi troops cheer when Stuka bombers where in a dive. (however this sound was intentional with the Stuka having sirens on it's wing tips to cause a physiological effect).

He saved France and Algeria from German occupation. Of course the latter wouldn't be relevant after 1962, but France may have been more badly destroyed without the government at Vichy.

I am french, and it was horrible to hear you butchering his name ! But great video :) Also, dont forget Petain is the shame of france. WW1 hero, WW2 traitor. Sentenced to death during the liberation of france, and graced by charles de Gaule. He was still condamed to life prison.

@williamshortfilm5818

7 жыл бұрын

Love this channel, subbed :) Keep the great work :)

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

Our French pronunciation is among the better ones according to our fans. Welcome to the show.

@williamshortfilm5818

7 жыл бұрын

The Great War I am glad your fans think you have a good french pronunciation. But do I ? :) I already knew this channel a long time ago, just wanting to let know i was subscribed !

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

William short Film Not saying it is good, just that it is better than our Polish for example ;)

@williamshortfilm5818

7 жыл бұрын

The Great War Hahahahahaha ! Ok ! :)

Hi, I'd like to ask you: Are you going to have a special about M.R. Štefánik? He is a big national hero in my home, Slovakia.

please do a biographical video about Jaroslaw Hasek

wow all of these people show up in the young indiana jones chronicles.

Petain: The Fallen Hero

@didierroux1547

Жыл бұрын

@Tony Barde Petain The capitular of Verdun in 1916, the responsible for 600 death sentences in 1917 the notorious defeatist in 1918, who spoke only of retreats, abandonments, evacuations or fleeing from Paris, in front of the President of the Republic Raymond Poincaré. Pétain who used with his Spanish friend Franco, (the future dictator) chemical gases strictly prohibited by international conventions, against the rifains weapons of old rifles, in 1925, during the Rif War in Morocco. petain pro-german, who opposed on March 31, 1935 the bill of constitution of 10 armored divisions for the French army. Still pro-German Pétain, who opposed, at the beginning of 1937, by having the 1936 project of General d'Aviation Jauneaud, which provided for the establishment of air squadrons (Hunters & Bombers) The same sinister character, petain, who cowardly refused the request to leave Madrid immediately and join Paris, from the head of the French government, the president of the Council Edouard Daladier, on September 31, 1939, after war had already been declared since September 3, 1939. The same cowardly Pétain, who again refused the second request to leave Madrid immediately and join Paris, from the head of the French government, the President of the Council Edouard Daladier, on January 24, 1940 while the state of war was still in force, that our ally, Poland has been defeated. Again the same coward who arrived on May 17, 1940 after the third call, will refuse to occupy the post of Minister of War, he is a soldier, to the great astonishment of the government which logically supports him since Petain had occupied (badly) this post the year 1934.

@tonybarde2572

Жыл бұрын

@@didierroux1547 ???

Oh god, i havent missed it!

@infamedepatates2502

7 жыл бұрын

Sescomd

A question for Out of the Trenches: Were the political problems of the French Army related to the Dreyfus Affair in any way?

people blindly hating Petain- read better history books ya plebs

Maréchal nous voilà ! Devant toi, le sauveur de la France

Can you do a Battlefiield 1 Singleplayer trailer breakdown?

I have been with you in glorious days. I am still with you in dark days. Be at my side. -Philippe Pétain

The great traitor of France

@nostradamusofgames5508

7 жыл бұрын

yet he didnt choose to be, read better history books

@PanzerIVAE

7 жыл бұрын

Well true you can call him a traitor but by what he did in WW2 protected the populace of Mainland France at least before the Germans decided to invade Vichy France

Just read what eventually happened to him, pretty sad to see in ww2 he was just trying to do the best with a bad situation until the French forgot the great things he did and just for trying to do the best for his nation was sentenced to prison. Makes me hate the ungrateful frogs even more.

@rolandsquire6555

7 жыл бұрын

While no one can doubt Petain had France's best interests in mind during WWII, you can't reduce the situation to that. Exactly how much he did was enforced by the Nazis is debated, but he instated many repressive and antisemitic laws without Germany asking him to do so. As a whole, it seems pretty clear he wanted France to become a reactionary dictatorship, similar to that of Franco in Spain. Also, no one forgot what he did during WWI. In most people's mind, he's still the "hero of Verdun" ; the fact thousands of French Citizens were sent to die under his rule just doesn't sit well with most people.

@gringologie9302

6 жыл бұрын

french gov add new flowers on his grave every years, even if they talk about him like the traitor of this era. We, the french citizen passionate by history, know that the marshal was a great marshal.

A video about the forgotten soldiers in ww1 would be interesting such as the Moroccans, Indians, Senegalese, Algerians...

maybe episode about D'Annunzio role in WW1?

Basically Pétain in WW1: Strategic genius... as far as his contemporaries were morons, and he at least realized the inadequate and outdated strategies. Pétain in WW2: Collaborator and political dunce.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

Petain in WWII -- very old man who had nothing to work with, and played the horrible hand he was dealt as best he could. By the time he was even in a position to turn back against the Reich, the Reich had occupied Vichy France to prevent exactly that. Remember this was also the leader whose regime scuttled the French Navy rather than allow it to be used by the Reich, and who refused to actively participate in the war on the German side. I sometimes wonder what decision he would have taken, if Vichy France was still an effective government when the Americans landed in the south of France.

@canicheenrage

7 жыл бұрын

LOL. The french fleet scuttled not thanks to Petain, he gave orders against it. He even asked the germans to halt their advance for a few hours so he could dismantle the defense lines the french armistice army was setting up against them. A lot of french people, ignorant about the 1940 fascist coup d'état, though he was just playing safe until the allies arrived. His actions in 1944 proved that was not the case. Oh, and during the occupation, he went further than the german demands. Not just in materials or money, but also in delivering resistants, jews, homosexuals, handicapped, gypsies and other extermination camp fodder. And once again, the "hand he was dealt" he had been involved in in the first place. You really like spamming that rubbish, don't you ?

@corto4027

7 жыл бұрын

Pétain was politically, a reactionary from the beginning of the war. Staunchly conservative, and authoritarian. He wasn't just an "old man who played a bad hand," that's completely ridiculous. He didn't just sit there, twiddling his thumbs, he was an instrumental figure in trying to turn France into just another Fascist country, and do so more easily, under the Third Reich's control. And in doing so, let men like Leval and Darnand, who were Fascists through and through, more so than Pétain, push their agendas across France. Like seeking out and executing resistance members/cells, pushing anti-semitic laws, getting rid of completely, French Republican values that he at one time, (WW1) was intent on defending, etc. And let's not forget Leval's creation of the LVF, which Pétain was rather passive to it's creation. His only problem with it, was French volunteers wearing German uniforms and insignias, not that it had Frenchmen fighting for a foreign country's own cause. Or his small protest that the Milice was just a bit too extreme, not that it existed in helping the SS at all, hunt down Jews and other "unwanted" people in Europe. Pétain was a tool and opportunist, and if he really gave a damn for French liberty and the Republic, he would have done things far more differently than he did. But he didn't, because the France he envisioned, was a France closer, politically, to Nazi Germany. Pétain was not just some "old man" with a "bad hand".

the traitor of the french

@xamvis4307

7 жыл бұрын

why exactly? I don't know and I'm curious

@conphzhi

7 жыл бұрын

ww2 Vichy France

@bassman3235

7 жыл бұрын

When he took command of France in 1940,instead of giving the order to fight on like at Verdun,he gave the order to lay down arms.That's why a lot of people see him as a traitor.

@maxben3391

7 жыл бұрын

He signed off on France's surrender to Hitler and was given Southern France to rule as a dictator collaborationist to the fascist powers. This "state", more like a puppet really, is still called Vichy France as the capital was at Vichy. The North along with Paris was annexed by the Germans as part of France's surrender.

@rumac16

7 жыл бұрын

which probably saved more French lives than continuing a pointless resistance which would have gotten millions killed

will you do the New Zealand troops at Le Quesnoy??

Are you going to do a video about Mannerheim?

*COUGH COUGH* VICHY FRANCE COUGH*

About Pétain, In France only crazy ultra right wingers think there is still a controversy about him. He was called to save France in 1940 and decided to surrender. He was the head of a collaborative state and though many argues that the action of said state was most the responsibility of one infamous minister named Laval, he is still responsible for it. This state tried to judge the members of the previous government, imprisoned them and sometimes executed them, it tried to transform France into an agrarian republic who would be the milk cow of nazi Germany while the population was starving, it actively sought to collaborate to the point where Mussolini wrote to Hitler telling him to not forget his real ally, it rounded up french jews by the french police to be shipped to the gas chambers. While his lawyer argued that he was basically senile at the time and was manipulated he is still considered today to be a national shame for his role.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

He was basically senile. The man was in his 80's. Hell he was in his 60's during his service in WWI and was clearly starting to wear out by 1918 when Foch took over overall command. There was nothing left to the man.

@cesarpallincourt9987

7 жыл бұрын

That's very much possible, it was basically his defense at his trial. However the question is still open. He was at the head of collaborative France though, and it was his name that gave said state his prestige and popularity. His speeches were both to appease the invaders and asking the population to comply. His "révolution nationale" that tried to build another France on collaboration, country values and morality looks like very much his idea and he served as an icon for it. That is what lead me to think that he was responsible for the Vichy régime and deserved his condemnation. However we might never know the truth.

@hagamapama

7 жыл бұрын

He was the ultimate one responsible. That's what head of state means. But I'm willing to bet the real "credit" for anything that happened in Vichy goes to his handlers, the next guys down in the heirarchy. I believe Petain to be little more than a figurehead of the Vichy regime. I do not believe that at that stage of his life he was competent to do very much more than this..

KZread caption just "hmmmmm" its way through your intro music

I heard about Brazil in the First World War is this true? I'm not really sure about it.

John Monash would be a good mini bio for this series? Hope to see it soon or next year.

@mad_max21

7 жыл бұрын

Found the Australian.

@winstonwithay1980

7 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with having a who did what on Monash?

@TheGreatWar

7 жыл бұрын

He is on our list. will take some time!