I like that Ben treats you like any random novice. Helps us actual novices.

@geraldsnodd

Жыл бұрын

True

@SirCalculator

Жыл бұрын

And he forgot 1 as a devisor at first. Very relatable

@AntiChangeling

Жыл бұрын

Brady is like a veteran novice. He's the perfect person to do these.

@Pope_Balenciaga

Жыл бұрын

Einstein once said if you can't explain something clear enough to a novice, you don't understand it clearly yourself

@Silvar55x

Жыл бұрын

@@SirCalculator I think he was doing that intentionally to engage the viewer (and Brady).

This video gave me the realization that a square times a square is also a square. Which, now that I think about it and why that's true, seems obvious and clear, but I very much did not expect it until I saw it.

Ben Sparks is always an absolute delight to watch, and his puzzles are always so satisfying too. Thank you for everything you do!

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👍 I totally agree, Ben Sparks' puzzles are fun and rewarding to solve!

@pear7777

Жыл бұрын

Love these puzzles, subbed!

Ben is the MVP when it comes to breaking concepts down to make them easy to understand.

@bencrossley647

Жыл бұрын

Thanks ;) - I think he's also a school teacher / did a stint of school teaching so he will have had plenty of practice!

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

⭐️ I'm glad you think so! Let's solve the remaining puzzle together! 🤓

@xl000

Жыл бұрын

Mvp?

@SirNobleIZH

11 ай бұрын

Grant from 3b1b too

One of my favorite things about this video is that, through their conjecture, I discovered it before they said it and I felt like a genius even though I needed to lean on them leaving bread crumbs to lead me.

@piercexlr878

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the best ways to be taught. Leaving you stranded, most people won't make much progress, but with just a little push, you get all the benefits of figuring it out without all the suffering looking for those bread crumbs. Math is all about taking things someone told you and trying to apply it to something they didn't tell you.

The connection to primes is actually very very close. Take the same problem, but once a light is off you can never turn it back on. You now have an algorithm called _The Sieve of Eratosthenes_ which is a well known (and efficient!) way of generating the prime numbers. It's cute that a tiny change in the rules is the difference between spitting out primes and squares. Bonus fun fact: Eratosthenes was also the first guy to measure the radius of the Earth.

@oscarn-

Жыл бұрын

That's the one! I had a nagging feeling that this reminds me of something else, thanks!

@ke9tv

Жыл бұрын

Sift the twos and sift the threes In the Sieve of Eratosthenes, And as the multiples sublime, The numbers that remain are prime.

@columbus8myhw

Жыл бұрын

Not quite - you also need the nth person to skip the number n itself.

@adarshmohapatra5058

Жыл бұрын

​@@ke9tvI love your rhyme! You are quite sublime You made my time I'd give you a dime

@EconAtheist

Жыл бұрын

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." ~ Eratosthenes, Second Emperor of the Sixteen Kingdoms

The slight segue about anyone beyond the 50th being able to only interact with a single switch would be a wonderful point to go off on a tangent about Nyquist theory in the context of Audio Sampling

@ke9tv

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Watrch the animation, and you'll see that there's an interesting complementary pattern starting from 100 as you run the light switches in reverse.

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

Neat observation! 😎🤓

@TheStoneblogs

Ай бұрын

Can you please explain?

I'm stealing this puzzle and adapting it for my D&D game. Instead of lights getting switched, I'm thinking trapdoors over death pits. Stand on a non-square labeled one at your own peril, adventurer!

Ben's excitement about this problem is contagious and his method of explaining it was excellent. Great video.

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

Wow, awesome! 👍😃

Its always nice to see Maximus the Mathematician! We are entertained!

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

😊 I too appreciate Maximus and the video was captivating!

@WaltTFB

Жыл бұрын

'At my signal...unleash maths'.

This conversation with cameraman format is really great👍

@numberphile

Жыл бұрын

Cool - maybe I could make something more of it! :)

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

🤓 That's a great insight! It really speaks to the creativity of your thought process.

Seeing Ben briefly question himself on some basic multiplication is oddly reassuring.

@piercexlr878

Жыл бұрын

The difference between you and a mathematician isn't usually intelligence but time spent learning.

"Drawing" this one out in a spreadsheet was very satisfying. Just for the sake of seeing what it would look like in the end, all 100 manipulations side by side.

@TheStoneblogs

Ай бұрын

Would you be willing to share?

I love when I realize that I can implement a solution to a particular math problem in code. I paused the video at 1:34 and wrote a little Java program to run through all 100 iterations before continuing with the video and was very satisfied when Ben got to the final answer and my result matched his.

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👊🏽 Nice work, MrCharlz! Props for taking immediate action and coding a solution! 😮

@Tommy_007

Жыл бұрын

In general, experimenting by hand generates more ideas that can be used in a proof (which is the essential part of the problem).

i love the ending "and that seems like a pleasing outcome to a potentially contrived problem", cuz, aint those the best puzzles

I once read this question in a math magazine when I was in the 7th grade. I tried to solve it but couldn't. Then I almost forgot about this question. After more than a year (now I am in the 9th grade) it suddenly hit me, and I solved it. That made me realize that I never had forgotten about this question. It was there all the time, in my brain waiting for me to learn the right tools, waiting for me to become worthy to solve it.

I knew it would be something to do with how many factors they have, because only the people with one of their factors would ever touch the switch, but didn't see the square thing coming. Interesting puzzle that one.

@alexandertownsend3291

Жыл бұрын

I think this is one of my favorite numberphile videos. I like how approachable it is. This is a problem you could reasonably give as extra credit on a math test for high schoolers.

I vaguely remember this puzzle years ago. I never guessed the answer. I completely forgot about it until i watched this video. It took me 5 seconds to go through the primes -> Squares logic. Its crazy what a few years and some programming will do to your neurons.

James Grime did this with Othello pieces! Also sometimes demonstrated with school lockers. All about perfect squares because they have an odd number of factors!

@watcherfox9698

Жыл бұрын

I knew I seen this before. I thought it was an old Numberphile video, but it turns out it was on his own 'singing banana' channel.

@phiefer3

Жыл бұрын

James also did a video on Numberphile about highly composite numbers, which was brought up at the end. The episode '5040 and other anti-primes'

@davidgillies620

Жыл бұрын

I've seen it with a corridor with 100 doors and 100 (suspiciously well-trained) monkeys.

@davidlohmann5098

Жыл бұрын

It appears to be a common math or programming question. Other channels like ted-ed have videos on the problem calling it "the locker riddle".

This is the only channel on KZread where in every single video i have watched there is a moment where i have no clue whats going on or being said but yet i keep on watching lol

I figured out the squares would be the only lights on fairly quickly, but then I spent a while convincing myself they were the only integers with an odd number of factors. I'm glad they proved it!

@iCarus_A

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I arrived at the conclusion that odd-number factor numbers will be the ones left on, then drew the connection to squares -- as factors must always come in pairs but in the case (and only in the case) of a square, they can pair with themselves

The best feeling ever, after seeing the obvious 'Answer', without seeing the not-so-obvious-at-first 'Why'; then seeing it after many hours! I had this problem in an assessment years ago and ended up spending hours on excel simulating the problem... I saw that the pattern was *spoiler*. I then spent a ridiculous amount of time to try and figure out why only the *spoiler* stayed lit... One of the most fun/cool and fundamental ideas crop up in solving this problem.

7:19 is exactly what makes this guy a mathematician. Loved this one.

amazing video. I love the fact Brady is clearly improving and participating more. Plus he brings a lot of questions that teachers usually gloss over because they're used to see that question so many times that it has become irrelevant. They're usually the ones that brings back connections from the model to the problem and those really help understanding.

@jursamaj

Жыл бұрын

No, the questions teachers hear the most are where the most learning is, so they *don't* gloss over them.

i think this was an olympiad problem once because i instantly remembered how to do the solution: the amount of times a lightswitch is flicked is the amount of numbers of which the lightswitch is a multiple AKA the amount of divisors of the lightswitch, then because every divisor has an inverse divisor (d*m=K so d and m are both divisors) the total amount of divisors will always be even if those 2 are different for every divisor, so only the numbers that have a divisor equal to itself will be flicked an odd amount of times, divisor equal to itself means a square number so it will be all the squares that are on!

I'm putting my guess to the problem down before watching the video. My first thought was that it would be easy to work out 1 at a time. Because you don't have to keep track of any numbers you've already passed. That was much harder to keep track of than I thought. But then I realized a switch only gets flipped when one of its factors comes up. So you just have to figure out if it has an odd number of factors, which would keep the light on, or an even number of factors, which would flip it off. After working on that for a few numbers, I realized factors ALWAYS come in pairs unless the number is a perfect square. In conclusion: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81, and 100 should be on. Everything else should be off.

Wow, this little puzzle ended up touching on some really profound topics! So cool!!

@numberphile

Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it

@Einyen

Жыл бұрын

@@numberphile Hey you forgot to call the highly-composite numbers for "Anti-Prime numbers" like you did to annoy Dr. James Grime "5040 and other Anti-Prime Numbers" 😁😂

One of my favorite puzzles to give students. A surprising answer, but when you stop and actually experiment and play around with it, it's almost obvious. Such a wonderful "ah-ha" moment for everyone when they experience it!

@alexandertownsend3291

Жыл бұрын

I actually tried it before watching the video. I solved it on my own after having my aha moment. I then watched the video and was happy to see I got it right. A lot of math puzzles that youtubers throw out are quite above my level, but I loved this one. It was a little bit tough, but not too tough.

@R3plicant

Жыл бұрын

A "lightbulb" moment, if you will

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👍 Experimenting and problem-solving often leads to those special "ah-ha" moments. It's one of the magical sparks of mathematics that I love!

This is the first time in a long time I figured out the answer to a problem during the "pause and solve it" section.

Absolutely stellar video. Interesting, surprising, yet accessible math, coupled with a phenomenal presentation by Ben Sparks. Honestly, this is peak Numberphile content.

The initial description reminded me of the prime sieve, which then got me thinking about how many times each switch would get flipped total = how many factors it has, which led pretty directly to "all non-square-number lights will be off at the end" - since that's the only case in which a switch would get flicked an odd number of times, with all other pairs of factors cancelling out.

@tspander

Жыл бұрын

It was a similar thing for me, but even more basic- I remembered that if you do naïve exhaustive prime checking, you only have to go up to the root of the number because of the factor pairs they show later on in the video. That led me to the same even/odd factors idea and that square numbers would be the only ones where there is a number without a counterpart.

*First time in forever I found out the answer before the video was finished!* Yeah! Right after Ben told what the problem was I opened the console and typed this: let lights = new Array(); for ( let x = 1; x

@GuusJanssen

Жыл бұрын

To see the switched on lights, just run: for ( let x = 1; x

Very enjoyable video! The part at the end about 60, 180 and 360 blew my mind a little bit. 😉

@kindlin

Жыл бұрын

The Babylonian counting systems used 60 as the base, so they had 60 unique digits in their numbering system. This was useful for fractioning things. With 10 we can only do 1x10 and 2x5 and that's it. We just happen to have 10 fingers, is my guess.

@lyrimetacurl0

Жыл бұрын

😯

@liamriddy358

Жыл бұрын

@@kindlin The Mesopotamians / Babylonians used the three sections of each of their four fingers to count to 12 just as easily 🙂

@thomasdupont1346

Жыл бұрын

@@kindlin The Babylonians were my first thought as well when the 60, 180 and 360 were mentioned. They are the ones who first used 60 seconds in a minute and 360 degrees in a circle.

I remember doing this type of problem as something fun the teacher gave us in one of my high school math courses. I was so proud when I figured out that the square numbers would be different from the rest. I don't think I proved it rigorously though

@alexandertownsend3291

Жыл бұрын

There a few different ways to prove it. He showed one of them. Maybe you can find one of the others.

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👍 That's awesome, OwlRTA! Impressive deduction skills!

I love how Ben knows Brady's favorite square number lol they've got a great working relationship

I started this video before having to go to work and didn't get past the initial explanation of the problem. Just worked it out biking home afterwards, and I arrived at the conclusion about the square numbers via the parity of the product of the powers of the prime factors. Nearly crashed into the curb when I had the 'aha' moment 😵

"Told ya!" :) Again a very nice video about math. I can imagine a world where teachers like you make many many students love math instead of being afraid of it.

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👏🏻 Amazing insight! Math can be so much fun with the right person teaching it. 😆

What I was wondering was 36 - this is 2 squared time 3 squared, and not writing it out I wondered if having a PAIR of duplications would cause it to have PAIRS of factors once again. Obviously not, but I found this interesting.

@cryptoooooooo

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but for the sake of writing it out: 1x36 = 1 x (2 x 2 x 3 x 3) 2x18 = 2 x (2 x 3 x 3) 3x12 = 3 x (2 x 2 x 3) 4x9 = (2 x 2) x (3 x 3) 6x6 = (2 x 3) x (2 x 3) 5 pairs of factors for 36, while one pair is a duplicate = 9 factors.

@laurendoe168

Жыл бұрын

@@cryptoooooooo I realized long after I posted it that there was only one true duplicate... and didn't bother to delete the comment

@cyrileo

Жыл бұрын

👍 Brilliant question! Even with 3 sets of duplicated factors, there are still an even number of factors!

Had this question come up for a computer science interview at a London university literally yesterday. Hadn’t seen the video yet so ended up having to work it out in a similar way. A good reminder to watch your videos as soon as they come out rather then a week later 😂

To answer the question, i have heard this before long ago, but in trying to remember it, i did jump to Prime numbers, but then i figured primes still have an even number of factors so i had to figure the answer again from scratch. 😀

Short of Mr. Grimes, Mr. Sparks is by far the superlative expositor of these great topics.

"Told ya!" That was so wholesome :))

@dielaughing73

2 ай бұрын

Classic Aussie comeback

Been watching this channel since the start and this is the best video.

Oh, I liked that detail of the light switch sound at the end.

I love that you guys are still doing these videos. It's been so long! This is one of the first youtube channels I subscribed to!

loved this episode! thanks. cool association with the squares. and with the number of factors. 60, 72, 84, 90, 96 have 12 factors they are the highest up to 100

Such a great video! The conversational presentation, the clear explanations, the interesting but not too complicated problem. Just top of the top!

Wonderful! I've seen the puzzle before but I'd never seen the proof, and it was pleasingly easy and elegant.

05:45 broke my brain! THAT WAS AWESOME!!!

In Uni I had a similar question I had to verbally answer on the spot, to cement my grade in a class: "If you have 1000 lights. What is the least amount of switches you would need, to turn on Any Number of them" Tip: It was for a basic programing class

My first thought was "This sounds a bit like the sieve of Eratosthenes", which is why I suspect many people first consider primes

Another fun puzzle, so simple to perform but with interesting non obvious analysis. Thanks ever!

I don't know why, but I absolutely laughed out loud at 14:48! Brilliant! :D

Great show! Thanks for your labour, that's really exciting.

Had a similar problem in 8th grade where marbles were dropped in the nth bucket, and you had to reason about which buckets had such and such many marbles, was quite fun working out but also had 19 other problems to answer in those 90 minutes…

I love how over the years you can see Brady's math knowledge and understanding growing and his astuteness improving. I thought he'd be tripped up by 16 seeming to only have one duplication, but he pointed out right away that 4 x 4 can also be expressed as 2 x 2 x 2 x 2.

This is a great experiment. I'm going to show this to my 14 yr old daughter.

Very nice problem and graphics. More please!

I figured it out up to the point that it depends on whether the number of factors is odd or even but I didn't figure out that the squares are the only numbers with an odd number of factors. I also don't think I ever would've figured that out, maybe with a lot of help by the interviewer... 🤔

This video aligned with my thought process perfectly. That's awsome

Man - this was so enlightening. I was messing with this stuff when designing card games, and my mind is just blown. I have so many more ideas.

Interesting problem wonderfully explained. Thank you!

15:51 "we know the primes don't have many factors". gotcha.

Holy Lord, Ben's closing comment about the practical usefulness of highly composite numbers like 60/180/360 absolutely shook me. I've always questioned why these numbers were used to define our measurement scales. Phenomenal.

@FelineBlender

Жыл бұрын

I wish he'd called out 12 as being part of this set. 1,2,3,4,6,12 is just as impressive as 60's 12 divisors, and it explains clocks and rulers.

@docastrov9013

Жыл бұрын

​@@FelineBlenderPounds, Shillings and Pence.

@ExaltedDuck

Жыл бұрын

When people complain about pre-metric measurement systems I like to point out that the 12, 60, and 360 bases made great works of architecture possible in the pre-industrial ages. Base 10 and thousands prefixes don't actually mean a whole lot. The prefixes introduce opportunities for conversion errors and are unnecessary due to scientific notation and - in a lot of cases - get a bit unwieldy without helper electronics.

I got to the answer quickly, but not why. Thank you for the breakdown!

Brilliant! I knew the answer by 5 minutes in, and I've never considered this problem before. Excellent presentation.

I actually figured this one out at the beginning without needing help! Kind of spooky because once he walked through it I realized I had the same train of thought by starting with the primes. I didn't make the connection beforehand that only perfect squares would have an odd number of factors so I learned something new.

What a lovely puzzle and video

I didn't need to know this; but I watched the entire video and was better for it! Thank you! Quite interesting!

What a nice guy. Nicely presented and interviewed.

I'm proud that I thought about prime numbers a second before he brought them up. This definitely reminds me of stuff from the discrete mathematics class I took last year. Is there a connection to the method for working the sum-of-divisors function backwards? They both use (a+1)(b+1) form numbers.

Great video! I would love to see a video teaching how to build this problem in geogebra

While using the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic to solve this problem is effective, it is sort of like using a sledge hammer when a fly swatter will suffice. In this case it is not necessary to develop a formula for the number of divisors of N. All that is needed is to know the parity of the number of divisors, which we can know without knowing the number of divisors itself. All we have to do is to note that if R is the square root of N, every divisor dR, namely N/d. However many divisors those comprise, their is an even number of them since they occur in pairs. All that remains is to ask if R itself is an integer to see if there is one more divisor, making the total odd. This reminds me of an old joke I heard years ago in college. A mathematician and an engineer are each tasked with fetching 10 gallons of water from the well using a 5-gallon bucket. Both the mathematician and the engineer go to the well twice and fill their 5-gallonn bucket to bring back a total of 10 gallons. The next day the mathematician and the engineer are provided with buckets that can hold 10 gallons and again asked to fetch 10 gallons of water. The engineer fills his 10-gallon bucket and returns in one trip. The mathematician makes two trips, each time bringing back only 5 gallons in the 10 gallon bucket. When asked why he did it this way he said that he simply reduced the problem to one he had solved before.

My physics teacher just gave us this question for our hs physics class, this was one of the best ones he’s asked that’s all, great vid

Ben Sparks has my favorite problems!

Videos with Ben are by far the best of this channel

This is such a refreshing video. Thank you

Woah what a cool solution! I thought along side the video, and was thinking of another possible solution: If you take all the numbers exponents and remove one, then sum them so n = (c1-1) + (c2-1) + . . . + (ck-1), the light switch will stay on only if this number is odd, and will stay off if the number is even. Any flaw to my logic?

That 'click!' at the very end was perfect

Thank you for making math for novices fun and forever entertaining and engaging.

I love how they keep on using the large piece of paper

I assigned the on-lights to midi notes sounding and at the end (100, 10^2) I have 2xA, 4xC#, 4xE (that makes A major) and 1xC (A minor). And even when I extend the sequence to 76^2 I only get those 4 notes. This surprised me. So far I haven't been able to assess why this is. I like that it's neither major or minor, just somewhat in the middle.

About a 20 years ago I wrote a QBASIC program to solve this. It used 100 lockers instead of lights. I wanted to check for higher numbers and expanded the program to 400, then 1600. It was on an old 8086 4 MHz machine so it took a while to run.

@philipshell5494

Жыл бұрын

I made a comment of an observation I saw on this problem basically using addition (or subtraction) to solve this problem. See if you can find my comment and write a program using my more simple logic to solve the problem.

@richardl6751

Жыл бұрын

@@philipshell5494 Sorry, couldn't find it. Can you copy and paste it here?

This problem introduced me to the idea of first differences, in which I “discovered that the first difference of the perfect squares is the series of odd numbers, which makes finding the state of the nth switch easily figured out.

heard about this problem a few weeks ago and solved it in a few minutes but very nice

@alanredversangel

Жыл бұрын

Me too. Then the Illuminati came and tried to recruit me but I said no thanks I'm quite happy just doing my DJing. They gave me a speedboat though because they respected my answer. I gave it to charity.

Great explanation

Wow one of the most enjoyable videos. Also intrigued is that’s a menora on the shelf or if not whether it’s a puzzle or maths thing…

Very interesting!! I love your videos Ben!!

Amazing old style Numberphile video. I think one specific part deserved more attention. The part at 15:00 where we deem that all square numbers +1 are odd. If we were to use 2^4 * 3^4 we'd get a nice number that satisifes the logic -> that is 1296 but as you might have guessed it's the square another number - 36 as you can evenly split the above multiplication into 2 simetrical groups (2^2 * 3^2) * (2^2 * 3^2) ... or just 36^2 :)

Thank YOU for making such cool stuff on the internet!

Excellent choice

Great puzzle! I will sure be trying it out on my students sometime in the future!

729 is an interesting one that would be switched on because it has 7 factors, because it’s 3^6, which has two “duplicate factors”, 3^2 and 3^4

Great video as always !

Your channel makes me love maths even more. ❣️

Awesome! Very fun and informative.

I liked the start of an additional pattern showing on the final shot. If you tally the columns with squares you get 2,0,0,2,1,2,0,0,2,1 Which you need to go up to 400 in order to see it double. Then I saw different pattern on the rows of 2,2,2,2,1,1,2,2,2,2,1,1. I saw this by starting from the number 1, and going across, you pass 2 squares going right before heading back to the left on the placement of the number line. This one is harder to put into words, but you can see it starting to emerge in the first 100. Dig the channel. 👍

Imagine the lights all in a row (instead of the grid shown in the animation), then view all the successive steps together, and some pleasant patterns emerge. Say the room numbers are n, then there’s a wedge of light between steps 1/2 * n and n, and fainter wedge of light between steps 1/3 * n and 1/2 * n, and so on.

I was just thinking about this problem because of a sudoku puzzle I couldn't solve on my own that used this idea. Thanks.

Great stuff as always 👌