I find this documentary piece extremely rare in just HOW objective the expert is in telling her tale. He simultaneously sticks to the facts AND makes Mrs. Canary far more intriguing and THAT is a hard thing to do!

@FrancesShear

4 жыл бұрын

Most of all if the person who the expert is talking about died so long ago.

@FrancesShear

4 жыл бұрын

Way too hard for me to pull off for sure.

Terrific lecture, thanks for sharing. Jane is my favorite character on Deadwood, it's great to learn more about the real woman behind the character. Big thumbs up. 👍

I really enjoyed this presentation and would love to read your book as well as the other two you recommended based on this video. Love the old school slide show!!!! Excellently done!!!

A super Fantastic Documentary my friend 👍 well done. You bring the true life of Martha/Calamity to bear’ better than any one to Date🇺🇸. Think I’ll get your Book for my library

Wow, I loved this! It's a remarkable lecture. Very interesting, very clear, and amazingly fair-minded. I'll certainly buy Mr. Etulain's book, right now! Bought it, and the other one, too. And you know what sold me? He seems to be just about the most honest man I came across on the internet in ... too long a time to be accurate :)

this woman was so intriguing. And despite what people say about the HBO series. I loved the character..one of the many reasons why I came here. to learn more about Jane.

@lmp1894

5 жыл бұрын

After visiting Deadwood and her gravee sight and watching the show in fascinated with her.

Calamity Jane is a part of her time and Era! AND I would like to thank you for a much more historical representation of someone who was much more than the claptrap that's usually put out there and only adds to the confusion about who these people really were! And your historical research actually makes these people much more interesting in the real than the false assumptions that characterize their tinsel town representation! Again I enjoyed your video and hope that your work will continue! Thanks!

I don't think anyone flapping their cakehole about HBO's Deadwood has even watched it. Jane's character was nothing more than an associate of Hickok's, and even though it's apparent she had some deep feelings and admiration for him they were NEVER portrayed as an item. Jane was portrayed basically as a good hearted, loudmouthed, tom-boyish, alcoholic vagrant . Her only relationship was an implied lesbian fling.

@jonathanturbide2232

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, very true. I find it disappointing that the lecturer, as knowledgeable as he is on the real Jane, doesn't seem to know the series at all. It's pretty clear on the show that the both of them were never lovers, not even close. Jane was basically a third wheel, as Wild Bill was mostly traveling with Charlie Utter. Jane just happened to follow them on the trip, basically. Nothing romantic there.

@BDLpercussion

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanturbide2232 Why risk credibility by incorrectly assuming HBO's depiction before watching? He put too much time and work in to act so arrogant when the series could only improve interest in his books.

@monicaangelini3324

3 жыл бұрын

I was so puzzled by the lecturer comment on the series, since the depiction of her was so very human and credible for those days. David Milch, the fabulous writer of the series, managed to portray her propably most truthfullt than anyone else (btw, Miltch is a hell of a researcher)

@arlenmargolin4868

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanturbide2232 and how do you know she never jumped in back of the wagon for a quickie you didn't think of that did you

@jonathanturbide2232

2 жыл бұрын

@@arlenmargolin4868 Again, it wasn't hinted or implied at all on the show. Not once, therefore that lecturer had no reason whatsoever to even think that they were lovers on the show. There's absolutely no hint or a single line saying that they possibly kissed or touched one another. Go watch the series, you'll know what I mean.

I recently started to watch Deadwood and decided to do a little history checking. I enjoy history and I am sad that there isn't more confirmed information on Calamity Jane. I enjoyed this video very much.

@paulaalexander1

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, I too have watched Deadwood and have become very Interested in her real life story. I think If she had of been able to read and write maybe then we would have a lot more Information on her, eg.. letters she had written or even her own story about her life. But you can not wish for something that never was. We will have to be satisfied with what we have. She's definitely a fascinating woman, I would have loved to have been able to have a drink with her by the fire and listen to some of her stories about her journeys through life.

Very well put together presentation. I will definitely buy his book. Wikipedia says she tried to run an Inn west of Miles City. I believe it might have been. in Hathaway, MT. Thank you for doing so much research about the real Calamity Jane.

@peachesfireside178

3 жыл бұрын

Rebecca J., she owned a place just west of Hathaway MT. I know this for now my husband and I own the cabin. We are trying to learn more.

Thankyou for this ! If I could go back in time ---- I would scoop 11yr old Martha and her siblings up with my arms and give them a good life . I feel sorry for these poor Orphaned children . They did what they had to do ( Poor kids ) To survive :(

@BarManE.C.

4 жыл бұрын

James Bond was an Orphan. Not all end in tragic tales lol. (and yes Im aware hes fiction.... or IS he?)

@FrancesShear

4 жыл бұрын

So must have an old woman up here in Edmonton Alberta Canada who died at a very ripe old age who told my mother she was married to Wild Bill. I don't know if that was a pet name she remembered him by in her bitterness or if in truth she was one of around 5 or so common law wives and maybe the first wife of the real Wild Bill who for all practical purposes may have preffered living on a frontier. In the 1880's since right up to when women got the right to vote men when rich enough or good enough at woking for pay, hunting and trapping too often practised polygamy. Like a Mr. Callihoo, Calliou or Chalifoux depending on how people spelled his name for him back then when he was living just outside of St. Albert who was open about his lifestyle while married with 5 wives unlike some men from European background who pracitsed polygamy who called almost all of them mistresses instead of wives who would have been called by some policemen back then too out of control to help into rehabilitation after say 1 overnight stay or 2 in a drunk tank at first at the local jail house while still being single and able enough to pay bail money or when still rich enough to throw their money around town while continuing to do the same when for example visiting the local men's shelter to shout obscenities at them while drunk for added special effect while driving by and when stopping to look at what the latest there was happening. Like a Mr. Ralph Klein, premier of Alberta once who later died of the diagnosis called Dementia instead of Alcoholism.

Calamity Jane also worked in Cottage Grove Oregon, on my husbands great grandparents Smith .

On Deadwood, despite taking creative liberties the essence is historically correct. Each episode is only 1 day in Deadwood so portraying Calamity as a mother, wife, etc would be impossible on that timeline

Thank you Very intersting.

Show more picture of Calamity Jane

Thanks for your comment and for being a Montana The Magazine of Western History reader. Richard Etulain was the author of the article you mention, so he may have just misspoken.

@raymondglinn2035

7 жыл бұрын

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@robturner1638

7 жыл бұрын

Montana Historical Society

Interesting. I had wondered why there wasn't more on Calamity.

Have you looked into the animated series depiction of Calamity Jane? There are episodes up on youtube. It certainly isn't accurate, and though short lived it was a good show portraying a strong, independent female character. It got me interested in learning about the real woman.

Hi Richard we have an original photograph of Calamity Jane with a rough day of 1900 with a exact location of Deadwood. We have backed up the photo with another one on line where she is wearing the same dress. Are you interested talking? Thanks Brad

I've watched a video on Garnet Montana and they claimed she owned a bar there. Does anyone have info on this?

@23:54 Can we talk about how the cowboy Teddy Blue in this photo looks like he is wearing Jane's hat?

Pack a puncher where you at?

Once I heard from a gal that grew up in Livingston, Mt. Jane lost Her life - drunk and in the Livingston jail. Dunno.

Interesting. Got me laughing a lot while listening to it. How did MArtha Canary manage to live that long, to age of 61, until she died of alcoholism at a time when life expectancy back then was only age 49.1 years and when indigenous people on average had a life expectancy at the time of around 39.1 years and I wonder how many of her 7 siblings made it to adulthood. I wonder if Martha Canary had some Cerebral Palsy too along with alchoholism which only became apparent to whoever she was with whenever she was tired and/or having a drink. Since many America families contributing to building up of pioneer culture a lot of the time those families didn't have time to polish furntiture and besides they didn't bother much to regardless if having enough money to. And so a lot of men back then if there was no ashtray on the table when they were sitting there at the table would leave their cigarettes burning on the table until a clean ashtray was put back on the table by the lady of the house. And so in pioneer families who have managed to keep furniture from back then sometimes you will see a curious looking way of varnishing that table so it looks only like worm holes. Like the wooden table of a lawyer's family whom I used to clean house for here in the city of Edmonton Alberta Canada by the name of Mr. MacDonald. Mr. McDonald was a good poet and a gentleman as well as being a lawyer with one foot that was deformed at birth who by the time I started cleaning house for them had stopped smoking long before maybe because it didn't help him do his work. His wife was a retired professor at the University of Alberta. His family when his wife died had to let me go from housekeeping duties there probable only because I was by that time at age 44 or so going to a course called "Women Building Futures" which at that time believe it or not was often the talk of the town only because it was to learn how to do basic carpentry, scaffolding, first aid, WHIMIS, and a little bit of learning about mechanics and listening to the adventures of both a woman welder and a woman carpenter in a man's world. And so that is why I find the story about MArtha Canary so interesting because throughout my own life so far I have had a habit of doing things different than most people would a lot of the time. Like removing 5 trees in my back yard last week that were towering over 3 power lines with a possibity of toppling over to cross 2 power lines with a camping hatchet, a borrowed 6 ft. ladder sometimes on my deck during the proceedure attached to my house along with an old pulley style clothes line while waiting too long for someone to come over to do a quote to do it for me. I didn't want to wait until more lightning strikes or heaven forbid another toronado like Black Friday here in Edmonton Alberta Canada in the late 1980's while recovering from a year ago from a roll over car accident and whar felt like a lot of symptoms like COVID-19 a few months ago which made me stop volunteering at a local soup kitchen here at age 63 after going through a lot in my life too like Martha Canary did too. Like often getting criticized for my country accent while at choir practice. Which is all why once I was invited to sing and dance together with others on stage just outside of Pincher Creek in a museum once because according to them I looked back then a little bit like Billey Halliday with short hair back then but since I am taller than average and versatile while being too heavy for lead part as a woman I was casted into the role of a man for one musical theatre play and casted in the role of Doris Day too for a solo. After all that I over heard one person in the audience remark, "But she is so old" which I heartedly agreed on when after that being offered a role in helping to write music with me writing the poetry and because I was such an unknown that would mean that I would have to do the singing for it too sometimes when my voice was not soloist worthy enough while I was already so busy at home already and not interested in travelling around everywhere to do that too on top of everything else at the time. By the way, someone stole the hatchet I used out of my garage and if my daughter Alexia hadn't been the one to have given it to me -- Who would have believed me that I removed all of those trees in my back yard except for the neighbors on both sides maybe one of whom got a little upset when he saw me doing so when I could not tell where his shouting was coming from and besides I was too busy trying to get things done.

when I was a kid and my family asked what I would like to be once adult: I always said.. I want to be Calamity Jane Somehow I made it possible and that is the best part to tell. (My sister wanted to become a bride.. she had several attempts but is not that happy with her choice than I am) Thank you for your lesson/lection and documentation Sir. Ahh and not to forget the answer you asked for: She has been frontier, no less and no more but rieh and poor enough

" She waa not a masculine woman, she was a woman" WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN? A masculin woman is not a woman? She was a lesbian? Terrible sexist quote.

@alicialyons3356

3 жыл бұрын

I do not think nor do I believe for a minute that she was a lesbian.But I didn’t know her .She would be the only one to say for sure.

umm.. in the hbo series of Deadwood, Jane was NOT a prostitute in any way...

14:26 Hong Kee Laundry...Must be owned by white people..lol

just bc you're talking about the 1800s doesn't make it okay to say 'negress' when you could literally just say person and make the same joke 23:12

she was so forlorn looking, I don't think she was a very happy person.

sure dont look like jean arthur and doris day

An unknown fact is she never wore panties. Ever.💝💝💝👙👙👙👙💄💄👛👛👗

@shadegreen5351

Жыл бұрын

Neither do I

=🤔🤨~I met a woman originally from Livingston, Mt. ~ She claims it is well known ln Her time, when She grew up around there; that Jane passed away in the local jail❗ 😖😣😞😢🧱⚰🪦🙏💐🌹Yup❕ G-G.