"They got to stop killing people" Matt Mercer: We don't do that here 😂

@JirkaKunst

Жыл бұрын

Also Matt: Actually let's also make some complex house-rules that would make it harder to bring people back to life.

@I.Lostalim

Жыл бұрын

​@@JirkaKunst those resurrection scenes at the table are so powerful you can almost feel the player's emotions leak through the screen. It gave us some great moments like "Take me instead, you Raven Bitch!!" A campaign changing moment that would never have happened if the spells were automatic.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😂😛

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

​@@JirkaKunst It's not really complex. It's just a skill challenge.

In this show they made the sword such a good metaphor for addiction. Glad you're liking the show!

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Loving the show and characters. Lots of fun storylines 😀

Fun fact: In the original D&D campaign, Percy first took up the sword. But once he noticed that it was sentient, he didn't want anything to do with it (especially after just getting rid of his possessed pistol) - so he gave it to Grog, not telling anyone else about it. When the other players later compared it to giving Grog crystal meth, he countered with "please, I gave him _the best_ crystal meth..." "I'm curious how this will play out" is Percy's worst trait, and part of the reason I love his character.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

The best crystal meth 😂 glad they didn’t do that in the show because it probably would’ve made Percy look a lot worse since we don’t get to know characters as in depth as you do on streams 🙂

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

The biggest reason he gave it to Grog was that Percy couldn't use it or change it into something he could use. It didn't help that Travis really wanted it. 😂

On the note of Kamaljiori dying and how Osysa might feel after receiving that news, I wonder if she already knew that would happen. At the end of her talk with Vox Machina her voice took on a depressed tone when explaining how to find him; at first I thought it was due to her longing but now I wonder if she had a sense that he was going to die shortly after meeting them. Being a chosen of the Knowing Mistress it is not hard to believe that she might have some level of divination magic.

@Dragon_Lair

Жыл бұрын

They are servants of the Goddess of Knowledge. It's not unreasonable for her to already know, though it'll be great if Scanlan goes back to the Slayer's Take to tell her in person what happened.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow hadn’t even thought of that 😯 you make a good case. Which makes it incredibly sad 😭

@toonman5099

Жыл бұрын

Awwww, that just makes it hurt worse! D':

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

The most likely option is that she knew revealing his location was a very big risk. It's why they've both stayed hidden for so long (and why her location is a sworn secret of the Take). There was always a possibility he would die.

@toonman5099

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowyFox_86 Still though.

I love this episode giving Scanlan a time to shine. They highlighted so well how he struggles with intimacy and openness in spite of his charisma. Such good groundwork for understanding his personal struggles!

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 😊

This is one of those episodes that shows you the pay off from season 1 with Scanlon being such a 1 sided character with just looking for love and jokes, getting to see that isn't all there is to him and that he knows that he is missing something in his life but he really just doesn't understand how to find love, which is definitely great since you can only take so much of a 1 sided character like that for so long.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Well said 😊

Osyssa told them the answer to the riddle at the end of their meeting. She said the separation “causes (her) pain”

The Sadist part is that only Scanlan and Kami know how Sincere Scanlan can be.

@cschwally

Жыл бұрын

Saddest. Sadist describes the writers with these cliffhangers.

@stevencavanagh7990

Жыл бұрын

@@cschwally I've seen the whole of Campaign 1 I stand by my Words LOL. Thanks I didn't notice

@amisedai942

Жыл бұрын

@@cschwally completely in form with how Matt leaves us Every week.😂

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

​@@cschwally 😂 And Travis with the jumpscares. He loves doing that to freak out reactors.

"They need to stop killing people!" Pike: *bleeding out* ...working...on it....👍

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😆

This episode is very much different from what happened in the live stream, but I will continue to say that I love that they made Umbrasyl want to seek out the Vestiges. Not only is that a great way to make him a much more active villain than he was in the stream, but it also falls in line with DnD canon. Black dragons in particular have a fascination with ancient history and the collection of relics of lost civilizations.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Really have to tip our hat to them for adapting this expertly. We haven’t caught the original stream but from details like this that we keep hearing, they keep impressing us 🤩

@WexMajor82

Жыл бұрын

They also are spiteful bullies and enjoy watching their enemies suffer. They are liars and can't really be trusted to uphold their end of a bargain, so I really don't understand Ripley here.

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

​@@WexMajor82 Ripley is exceptionally good at doing just what she's doing with Umbrasyl. She did that with the Briarwoods and only ran into issues right at the end, just before VM arrived in Whitestone. She is masterful at manipulation and is how she is still alive.

Cursed weapons make a direct correlation to addiction. Even mechanically in the game wisdom saves are needed to even let them out of your contact.

@Drocksas

Жыл бұрын

Some of them don't even have a save. Once you're on it, only curse removal magic will let you part with some items. Stuff gets pretty nasty sometimes

@aceofspade2120

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it can be terrifying

Keyleth's face when Percy gives his jacket gets me every time.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

☺️

Glad you guys loved Kamaljiori. ❤❤❤ Yeah, Vax is figuring himself out after what happened in episodes 3 & 4.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

He’s going through some shit for sure 😢

"He isn't gonna kill the sphinx is he?" Umbrasyll: YESSS

Kamaljiori: this is the wisest sage ive ever known Scanlan is the oldest member of vox machina. He is currently 69, but also the most traveled as he is a bard. A traveling musician. Gnomes can live 350 to 500 years maximum. But they reach maturity around the same time as humans. Everyone else is their mid to late twenties except for pike whose around her 30s or early 40s.

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 He also has the lowest Wisdom score (and lowest score period) of the entire group.

The fact that a beign that was never wounded in a millennia, was munched by a Florida dragon, immediately after meeting Vox Machina.

Mind blowing trivia: If you have seen the classic comedy The Three Amigos, the guy that voices the Sphinx, Kamal is the same guy that plays El Jefe, the guy that doesn't know what a plethora is. lol

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

“Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something” love that movie 😂

Grog getting that "big" cut to the dragon's neck looked cool right next to grog, but if u watch back the part where the dragon picks up scanlan and the vestige to fly away u will see how small that "big" slice actually was... grog had no chance in that solo fight, the dragon was playing with him like a cat plays with a mouse.

@ghostchannel4766

Жыл бұрын

It's also important to note the scaling. Grog already tried fighting the sphinx and utterly failed, the same sphinx that got destroyed by Umbrasyl. Never actually stood a chance.

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The cast even makes it clear that had Vox Machina stayed, they would've died. Even the sphinx wasn't able to fight on equal footing with Umbrasyl.

Don't get misled just because he got some hits in. Grog attempting to take on Umbrasyl solo was 100% suicidal.

@Luzarioth

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... a Mosquito can make you bleed, but it is not going to kill you with its bites

@BionicDirector117

Жыл бұрын

​@@Luzarioth Malaria: _"Allow me to introduce myself"_

@Luzarioth

Жыл бұрын

@@BionicDirector117 Greatings, my name is "Lesser Restoration" ;P

@Cabur_Skirata

Жыл бұрын

Not to be too meta, but in all my time playing D&D I've only seen an ancient dragon defeated once. My group was a six person team of veteran players with level 15 characters

@landail5681

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Umbrasyl is also called "The Hope Devourer" for good reason. Grog got in some good hits, but Umbrasyl didn't use his breath during that brawl, or really use his flight to any real advantage; he was more like a cat playing with his food, savoring that sense of hope in victory before just crushing it utterly.

It's fun to have a reason to revisit this series, and I especially enjoyed your discussion around the changes to Grog and Vax.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying the discussion afterwards 😀

"That wasn't her Father" I disagree ! Robbie Daymond is everyones daddy ;P

@jordanpeterson5140

Жыл бұрын

#hotboi

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😂

And its a pair of gauntlets, not a single thanos style gauntlet.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😎👍🙂

Scalon's song is SUCH a highlight. I want the soundtrack.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 😎🤟

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

I want this song and the one from Episode 10.

@kikphlip1080

Жыл бұрын

It hits harder if you know that they're the last 2 of their entire species and because of that, they could never see each other. Living separated in secret to keep their lineage alive, only hoping one day the world will be safe enough for them to reproduce.

It doesn't come up in the story, so I'm confident it isn't spoilers. Kamaljiori was separated from Osysa to safeguard the Knowing Mistress's (another God) knowledge while she recovers from a wound that she suffered from the Chained Oblivion (yet another God) during the Calamity. Problem is, that injury can never heal, so Kamaljiori and Osysa would never be reunited and both of them must live far apart from eachother knowing fully that they can never see eachother again. It makes makes Kamaljiori's last words that much sadder.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😢

So the opening scene of this episode has some storyboard stills, and they're called "The Friendship Pool." 😂😂 Also keep in mind that it's not even been a week since the sunken tomb. Vax is responding like a trauma victim. Pike was the primary healer of the group, so she definitely can heal herself.

Nobody expects the power ballad. Scanlan didn't have to go that hard, but he did. He did it for us. Srsly though that song is legitimately really good..

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we were impressed with it 🤩

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

Hearing Sam tell how he pitched the team, this song is hilarious.

Why do i feel Percy is Bieng super nice to vax after some guilt and Bieng a gentleman at the same time

The original challenge was far more mundane, and because Ripley never approached Umbrasyl, he never tracked down VM, killed the sphinx or split the party. But this was all far more dramatic, and Sam getting to show off his musical chops is always a win. (He parodied famous songs for his bard spells, and co-created the theme for the second campaign. The show's theme is based on it.) Grog did skewer Pike, though. They obviously split the party to follow two storylines at once, but it's a shame we'll never get to see the satyr's drawintg of Grog...

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

We can only imagine the drawings in our mind 😇

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

I can see why they weren't able to translate a puzzle scene to the screen. It's not easy to make that engaging. This is just so cinematic and keeps the threat of the dragons right at their heels.

@TenebrousFilms

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowyFox_86 Also keeps Ripley relevant until her big showdown.

This episode was very different from the stream, but I think the changes were good ones for the same reasons Old Wolf Logan mentions. I was quite surprised when Kamaljiori just introduced himself when I first saw the episode, since in the stream they had to guess his name by completing some very dangerous puzzles. And yeah, we're starting to scratch below the surface of Scanlan here. The jokes, lewd songs and bedtime fun is what he's like, but it's not all he is or all he looks for. But, he doesn't know how to look for what he really wants. Also, the song is great. :) Grog and Craven Edge is a bit of a mess. While Craven Edge is smarter than Grog, it's also bound to him as long as he's the wielder of it, which limits its options. And yeah, Grog is nervous about his past with the Herd of Storms for a reason. We'll see more of that in the episodes ahead. At least the Fey realm is all bright colors and happy fun times, so nothing bad will happen there. :)

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, nothing bad happens bright color lands 😜

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

The Kamaljiori thing is because they couldn't find a good way to write a puzzle scene. They tried several times, and it just never worked.

Scanlans song is one of my favorite moments

Great reaction as always. I love that your channel was recommended to me recently because as someone who has seen the tabletop game, The Legend of Vox Machina has given me a format to easily share VM with my partner - you two together reminds me of that. As for the episode - it's a good highlight of how the show deviates from the stream, and is better for it:

@I.Lostalim

Жыл бұрын

For example, coming up to Kami, Sam (Scanlan) and Travis (Grog), who also executive produce this show approached Matt (The DM) because they were kind of magically continent hopping a bit by this stage on tabletop but that doesn't fit the style of the animation... Matt was just like, give me a minute, and returns with a brand new canonical location that he just invented so Sam and Travis could make the script work. And yes... That 'puzzle' solution! Again in the show it was a more standard fight enemies, complete puzzles obtain the letters and then arrange the letters into the Sphynx's name.... Not only was this version so much better for the TV format than that would have been, it let Sam and his brother (in-law? I forget) write that beautiful piece of music. Also, the party split didn't happen, they did the two things one after the other, but as you'll see in the next episode the split leads us into a much deeper story and is better for it.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

We’re glad you are enjoying the reactions to VM and that KZread recommended us to you 😊

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

​@@I.Lostalim It was also SUCH a needed break for the animators. 😂😂

@I.Lostalim

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowyFox_86 indeed, I didn't view the watch party live, but the inbetween only parts they have on KZread and I remember the animator talking about that too 😆

Vax definitely comes off as rather grumpy and sullen, but to be fair when you consider how much time as actually passed since Vex's death he has had a really REALLY bad 48 hours. I can't really fault him for being in a bad mood after what he's been through.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

True. But with how often they face death it seems like it would just roll of their back 🙃🤗

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

​@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 That's the thing. It doesn't get easier. It gets harder. He's also never lost Vex before. He doesn't understand what he's agreed to, and he's scared, and he knows that Vex could be taken from him and he wouldn't have any ability to stop it. That level of helplessness weighs so heavily on the mind.

Anyone else notice how everyone that saves Scanlan dies....?

@Dragon_Lair

Жыл бұрын

Pay attention to that as Season 3 comes around. I expect Scanlan and Keyleth will have the spotlight in season 3 and his story is a sad one.

@devinwhite5064

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragon_Lair Gonna see a considerable lack of Thordak in S3. Rip Lance Reddick.

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

😯 didn’t notice that

@shaskusmas

Жыл бұрын

@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 off the top of my head, the dwarf lady from Whitestone that told them to get off the streets, Archie, and Kam. I think I'm missing one or two..

Osysa truly is the last Sphinx now...

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

☹️

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

Well, at least the last one that's a servant of the Knowing Mistress.

I just finished this season and it was so good

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 😀

This song _still_ makes me cry and Kamaljiori`s death makes it even worse. They know how to make a person feel feelings.

I think the series just has a habit of making good guys nearly killed only to be saved by some wierd stuff.....but grog did give them chance to make spell prep....just stupid sword

@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2

Жыл бұрын

Stupid sword indeed 😒 🗡️

When you guys reacting to another death battle look at the vegeta vs shadow 👍🏼🫡

Challenge for yall

You guys both pronounce Vax and Vex in the exact same way. There's no way to tell them apart here. :( which makes for a very confusing listening this on the background while working.