Did you forget from the flashbacks that their father was racist toward them for being half human? That's where his hostility comes from, and it's highly unwarranted--especially given that HE'S the one who knocked up a human woman.

@niarabrister6419

2 ай бұрын

Right that’s what pisses me off the most. He acts as if he was forced to be with their mom and forced to be a father. They wouldn’t exist if you kept it in your pants 🙄

@Jaybee6881

2 ай бұрын

yes i watched c1 I'm currently caught up. the comment i made was for the Grizzled Wizard, and other casuals. people that will probably only ever watch the animation. i was mostly trying to inform them of The Mighty Nein was coming.

Their father is your typical racist noble high elf. That's why it's so subtle. Unless you know they are half elves and notice him call them "diluted" as an insult and mention how they "don't understand elven society" you would never notice.

@dzgw

2 ай бұрын

Careful- I'm sure he's ahead but this is from a later episode

@inkfox4225

2 ай бұрын

@@dzgw ???? the dad made those comments in 2x3 during the sunken tomb flashbacks

@dzgw

2 ай бұрын

@@inkfox4225 oh damn yeah my bad I got mixed up because I'd just seen someone watching episode 1. That was pretty stupid haha

@mysticblood2007

2 ай бұрын

@@dzgw I'm pretty sure those quotes where said during the flash backs in Pervon's tomb? Maybe I'm mistaken. It's been a few weeks since I watched it last. Or did you mean the character's races? Either way, understood.

Their father isn't acting that way because they are putting an undue burden on him, or because they lacked character in the past. He's that way because he's a bigot and they're half human.

Vex and Vax's mom was a human peasant. She lived in a small village that was destroyed in a dragon attack many years back. That's why dragons are Vex's preferred enemy and why she can sense them. It's their flashback scene from the opening.

@Ozgarthefighter

2 ай бұрын

I'm sure they'll explicitly spell it out next season because of reasons I won't get into.

@pheebo42

2 ай бұрын

They mention this in the first episode!

@hhylobates4098

2 ай бұрын

@@Ozgarthefighter They said it pretty plainly in episode 1, but it will definitely come up again next season. After the flashbacks this season of them leaving Syngorn I expect we will get a follow up them arriving home to Byroden in ruins

Keyleth using her elemental form and transport via plants to jump from one tree to the other was a sweet move, both here and in the campaign.

@johnobrien7562

2 ай бұрын

tree stride, in this case. very clutch.

This has to be the first time I have ever seen a reactor take the father's side. Honestly, this dude has the weirdest takes.

@hcdhcdhcd41

2 ай бұрын

Yep. At first I enjoyed it because he seemed to have a good grasp of what's going on and a bit of knowledge of DnD. But it's starting to get annoying.

Damn you might be the first Syldor apologist I've seen lol

Oh no Syldar is an absolute prick, remember the flashback in the Sunken Tomb admonishing Vex about the crown? He looks down upon his children, they're half elves so he feels they don't understand his culture to the same extent, his parenting was aggressive and neglectful, thus why Vax snapped and took him and Vex away. Their human mother Elaina had died from a dragon attack in the village they once lived in sometime after the twins were invited to live with Syldar. Percy's addendum did actually go differently on the table, since Syldar was one for nobility and formality, but this rendition furthers Vex letting out her repressed anger towards him. The line 'if I could pull your blood from my veins and give it to you I would' was used on the table. Oh you won't know about Garmelie's true form yet, but bear it in mind

@Becky31389

2 ай бұрын

Just a quick note that it's actually spelled Syldor 👍🏻

@dannybob42

2 ай бұрын

@@Becky31389 tbf I'm more relieved that I didn't call him Syngorn at this point XD it's like LOTR elf names

Grog: I can't eat that Pop pop: Good news, it's a suppository

no spoilers but uhm, their dad is definitely being unreasonable lol

@GageEakins

2 ай бұрын

Yeah just a bit.

Vex & Vax's father is dismissive of his children because their mother was human, not an elf, so they can never meet his expectations.

bro called his children "diluted" some episodes ago in the flashback, he's clearly a bad dad and treat them like garbage no matter the occasion.

So in the campaign, this was an offer of a warlock pact. It was really cool.

as for the guy that Garmelie turned into, for now just know that Vox Machina made an incredibly powerful ally.

Oh, Pop-pop, aka Wilhand Trickfoot, is voiced by the legendary Fonz himself, Henry Winkler!

No, their father is an unreasonable prick at this stage in the relationship. By the time of this meeting in the campaign, they had met before this point and parted on slightly better terms, but in this, that meeting never happened, so he's still treating them like something he accidentally stepped in and needs to clean off his nice boots.

In the fight with the trees, that is what happens when you cast tree stride on Treants and then wildshape into a fire elemental.

In the very first episode Vex and Vax tell the rest of Vox Machina about how their mother died from a dragon attack when they were children (and that’s why Vex can sense them, she studied them after her mother died). The opening title sequence shows a young Vex and Vax in front of a burning village. Later in S1 they also mention that they are half-elves and that used to live in a place called Syngorn. The flashback in S2x03 show that they lived with their father for a while when they were kids. It also showed him being racist by him calling them “diluted” because they are half-elves. Vax then tells their father that they are done with him, grabs Vex, and they run away to live by themselves. The father is clearly shown to be emotionally abusive. So him now (2x08) saying how civil he has been and how they were disrespectful are clearly lies. As for 4:17, no they weren’t they were children! Plus it’s shown in 1x01 that they have always had hearts under the protective asshole-ishness.

If you didn't hear it in the voice, Pop-Pop is Henry Winkler

5:02 Your fav, Scanlan, is whistling his song from se1, “Pull My Beads of Love” 12:18 Keyleth transporting from the inside of one tree to the other was such an epic moment. Enjoyed your reaction as usual.

Funny that you compare this Archfey to Vecna from Stranger Things, because Vecna, the lich king from the D&D lore, made an appearance in season 1. He is "The Whispered One", whom the Briarwoods tried to summon. They just couldn't call Vecna by his name in The Legend of Vox Machina, because this name belongs to Wizards of the Coast.

@VegetaLF7

2 ай бұрын

Yup, similar to why so many names are changed for this show compared to the game. The Everlight instead of Sarenrae, The Dawnfather instead of Pelor, Half-Giants instead of Goliaths, "the Onlooker" instead of the Beholder, The Matron of Ravens instead of the Raven Queen, etc.

@darklight9178

Ай бұрын

This is spoilers and you should edit this comment.

@ghurcbghurcb

Ай бұрын

@@darklight9178 (Spoilers for the rest of The Legend of Vox Machina) It WOULD be a spoiler if I said that Vecna comes back, or is the final threat VM have to face. Did I do that? No. So it's not a spoiler. No info about the rest of the series was revealed.

Part of the issue is that Vex wants to gain her father's love and acceptance, and constantly goes above and beyond what is expected of her, even to her detriment. In contrast, Vax is dependent on his sister, and he does not really care for what his father thinks of him, so he can see that Vex's efforts are futile, as their father will always find some reason to set them aside (they will always be half-elves, half raised by a human peasant), and ultimately self destructive and detrimental to his sister, hence why he is so pressed to leave and have nothing to do with the man. Their father will always give them a goal, if only so he would not have to admit his racism, but will ultimately always push it forward. Today it's show the bow, tomorrow it's fight in the front lines, etc.

The Incel Tree!!!

You're the first person i've seen to not call Syldor anything but the biggest asshole. He didn't think he was, but he really was terrible - he took the twins from their human mother, treated them horribly (as seen in the flashbacks in episode 3) until they ran away. Not moustache twirling, but not remotely a good father given his racist attitude towards his own children. He was slightly better in the campaign because they had proved themselves - he'd sent them to find Sir Fince (who was missing instead of the role we saw him in during the first two episodes)

This is my favorite episode from season 2

That was no one but a simple Traveler.

14:33 At the very least, while it won't happen this season, this is a Fey character that will see Vox Machina again eventually (and beyond but people really should shush about campaign 2).

Here's the rundown on the family history of Vex and Vax, if you want to know (I doubt the show is going to explain it more than it already did) Their father, Syldor, was passing through the town called Byroden, where he met their mother, Elaina. After "spending some quality time together" they parted ways. Eventually, Elaina gave birth to Vax and Vex. 10 years later Syldor found out he had two half-elven bastard children, so he took them away to Syngorn. There the twins got some education and martial training, however (as you could have seen in episode 3 "The Sunken Tomb") their father was a classist racist asshole, so they ran away. On their way back to Byroden they picked up Trinket (episode 4 "Those Who Walk Away"). Unfortunately, when they reached their destination, the town was on fire, and their mother was killed by a dragon (can be seen in the intro). Having lost their home, the two went out to travel the world and adventure, eventually joining Vox Machina as its original members (Pike and Percy joined later). Of course, The Legend of Vox Machina has its own lore, and some things I wrote can be contradicted by the show.

@nickthedreamer4434

2 ай бұрын

I mean, for a bare-bones version of their backstory, all of this is probably still canon as none of this contradicts what happens in the show (at least, none of it contradicts what we've seen so far).

@hhylobates4098

2 ай бұрын

@@nickthedreamer4434 The only minor difference so far is they didnt get trinket until later, and Vex was by herself. Not needing rescuing by Vax, she killed the poachers, as well as Trinkets dying mother, never telling Vax what happened only that she had found a bear cub. Saundor actually brought it up as a memory that haunted her, as it was the first time she had killed anyone.

Yeah, their father isn't a villain, but he is "an absolute prick" as Vax said. A complication in the road for the party, and a chance that things could have gone very badly. The distinction is important though, not a lot of folks draw that line. He might have one of the more punchable faces in the realm, but he's still *technically * on their side vs the dragons. Vex walked the right line in the office, if she'd let Vax hit him like he deserved, you KNOW Percy and Keyleth would have been right behind him ready to brawl, (they'd both follow the twins' lead anywhere, ironic from the two "royal" party members), and it would have turned into an arrest or worse, with no easy path through to the bog. Vex making everyone stand down stopped it becoming a whole Situation(tm), but she gave space to her own anger once the larger goal wasn't on the line. The hug Pop-pop gives Pike when he sees her always makes my heart grow three sizes, it's such a wonderful squashy grandparent hug. :D No, you don't know who Garmelie is, and you don't need to, don't worry you didn't miss anything. Just file it away for now. :)

jesus, i've never seen anyone actually take Syldor's (the father) side in all of this. not a great look

@ThunderhorseMusic

2 ай бұрын

"in all of this" keep in mind he hasn't watched CR and doesn't know any of the backstory outside of this episode. I can see why he'd get that impression of Syldor without the context

@hcdhcdhcd41

2 ай бұрын

@@ThunderhorseMusic That was my first thought, but then I realised that I have watched many creators react to this show that also have not seen any CR. And none of them showed even an ounce of sympathy towards Syldor. Because one, with the flashbacks and everything his character is quite clear, he gaslights them every chance he gets. And two: because quite frankly, he does not deserve it.

@user-jt1js5mr3f

2 ай бұрын

@@ThunderhorseMusicyup, and it’s really easy to miss the “diluted” comment, or even that they’re half elves. Sure, he’s uppety, but the twins absolutely have a history of being selfish dicks.

@Stable_Delerium

2 ай бұрын

@@ThunderhorseMusicI haven’t watched that stuff either and yet somehow I understood the context provided in episode 3 when they flashback to their childhood.

@TheRoloSound

2 ай бұрын

@@ThunderhorseMusic Your comment treats the situation as if he watched this episode without seeing the rest of the series, which is not true. The show gives all the context you need and honestly isn't all that subtle. Missing it is kind of inexcusable as long as you have some sense of awareness which is why OP said it's not a good look. To add to this: I have seen so many people react to this show that have weird takes because they aren't paying a lot of attention or they're talking through important information and they STILL do not take Syldor's side in this interaction because it is made very obvious in the show that he is a prick.

Vex mentioned that their mother was killed hy a dragon in season 1 episode 1. Thwn, earlier this season you saw in a flashback how awful their father was towards them for no reason orher than the fact that theyre half-elves and thats only because Syldor didnt keep it in his pants. The twins didnt do anything wrong - they left due to the horrible treatment from their father.

14:35 this is definitely a big reveal that is also relevant to Campaign 2, The Mighty Nein

@VegetaLF7

2 ай бұрын

I mean, it's a big reveal for later in Campaign 1. Campaign 2 just reused the character.

@user-jt1js5mr3f

2 ай бұрын

This was a reveal within C1 for C1, it just happened to carry over and mean somethin in C2 as well.

Keyleth using Tree Stride on the tree monsters as a fire elemental is up there for sickest moves in combat in CR history.

There’s no end Scanlan won’t go to for a friend Supercool detail on Fenthras bow: it has no string in resting state, but when the user draws to fire, it forms a string made of the same element as the arrow the user wants to use: Fire, ice, lightning, etc

Erm. A bit yikes that you completely missed how awful the dad was and just went right to defending him. I'll save you the time: He got with a human woman resulting in the twins, then took them from their mom who actually loved them and treated them like garbage for only being half-elven.

Defending Vax and Vex's dad is wild lol. Certainly a take.

Is it Keyleth, is it a Fire Elemental? Yes! it is Keyleth as a fire elemental, also abusing her plant travel magic, lol ... This show giving us two family backstories led by Troy Baker and Henry Winkler. The casting is always top notch! Plus we still had our second hobbit running around - and yes Vox Machina did see more of that character from the end, that was definitely fan service for those of us who know. Knowing what is coming, I am very keen to see your reaction to the next episode!!

16:04 Maybe not killed off, but there was a very real possibility of Vex going with Saundors deal, the DM had the enhancements and consequences all written up ready to go. In the show here its such blatant manipulation to the point hes shown taking possession of her mind (the memories) and people are quick to just dismiss him as just the "incel tree guy"...but Vex was genuinely tempted by what was on offer, and his words haunt her for some time.

Another great reaction! Their father, Syldor is a prick. He really despises his half-blood bastard children. He treats them with tempered civility when it pleases him and never for their benefit. That family dynamic was just as toxic in the campaign. He is at least part of the reason they have some many trust issues.

It's really funny going from watching your Star Wars reactions where you have this encyclopedic knowledge of the whole universe, to this show where you forget things that happen in previous episodes. I think I know what all your brain storage is being used for lol.

@grizzledwizard7129

3 күн бұрын

Thank you, glad someone gets it lmao

As a fantasy fan, Blood of Zeus on Netflix is a solid series to react to. Season 2 just dropped a week ago or so.

I really hope you're not a father if you condone how Vex and Vax's dad treated them throughout this episode and this series. 🤦‍♀️

@jonmoore873

2 ай бұрын

Dad, dragons are coming to kill us all. Please help. Omg, is there no end to your entitlement? Here, have some parchment and don’t come back until you have an object from a fairy tale.

Don't worry, you'll see garmely again ;)

R/NiceGuy in the Shade Merce!

I still don’t understand the upload schedule for his Vox Machina reactions

9:22 Funny how you mentioned Vecna. Like that's definitely not gonna lead to anything cough cough

The red head was a reveal for those who have seen the actual play. Don’t worry about it. It’s not relevant (for now).

The guy dressed in green that sent them home is another of the fey, a very powerful one. It is also a teaser for campaign 2

@user-jt1js5mr3f

2 ай бұрын

No, it isn’t a teaser for C2. He was a C1 character first, before showing up again in C2. “Teaser” implies they put him here just to set things up for C2, but that’s just not true.

"A real Vecna looking vibe" No that's season 4.

sandors not wrong in that she will never ever be enough for her father because shes a half elf, but she has a new, found family, and someone she loves, so the rest of it is incel drivel XD

If you watch this episode with no outside knowledge or context I can totally see why you get that impression from Syldor. Everyone commenting has the benefit of CR backstory. You should trust the comments here telling you he's the worst

@Fairburne69

2 ай бұрын

I've seen lots of reactors who are not fans of CR who realized their dad is a racist prick. There were plenty of hints in the show that showed it. He either forgot or was not paying attention to those scenes. He should know by now Vex and Vax are half elves. His dad telling them they have diluted blood. There is more that other commenters have pointed out.

@theshadowfax239

2 ай бұрын

He watched episode 2x3 though. But he obviously didn't really absorb it.

@marauderdz

Ай бұрын

I think you overestimate how many people watching LoVM have that information. I've seen plenty of reactors who knew nothing about CR, and I myself knew some C1 plot points, but had no knowledge of Syldor or his relationship with the twins. Virtually all of us figured out he was being unreasonably antagonistic in this episode.

First time I’ve seen a reactor stick up for the worst father ever. 😬

I think the issue is the father is civil. But thats it. Hes racist towards his own kids and more worried how they effect his reputatuon than anything

It is so weird how he is so readily taking their fathers side given what we know. We literally saw Vex and Vax leave in a flashback two episodes after their father called them “diluted”. He is a bigoted prick who constantly looks down on his children for their half elven blood. THAT’S why they dislike them. No Vex and Vax aren’t the most upstanding pristine people but in this case their disdain is well warranted. Additionally I always find their father’s attitude horrendously hypocritical. Vex and Vax are looked down on for something they had no say or control of and yet the only reason they are half elves is because Mr. high and mighty humans are beneath us slept with a human to begin with. He’s basically racially condemning his children for his choice.

Villian in the swap from the D&D campaign is named Vecna, but because of Stranger Things they didn't use his name. 🙄👎

14:33 that was a revel for a pretty important character from campaign 2 The Mighty Nein which is also being animated as we speak . *No Spoilers*

@user-jt1js5mr3f

2 ай бұрын

No, this was a reveal for a character from C1 that happened to carry over into c2. Did you just watch c2 and not bother with c1?

@Jaybee6881

2 ай бұрын

@@user-jt1js5mr3f yes i watched c1 I'm currently caught up. the comment i made was for the Grizzled Wizard, and other casuals. people that will probably only ever watch the animation. i was mostly trying to inform them of The Mighty Nein was coming.

@user-jt1js5mr3f

2 ай бұрын

@@Jaybee6881 it’s the wording, “from campaign 2” that gives the impression of not knowing his origins, nor acknowledging that he’s a c1 character. I’ve simply encountered too many uneducated c2 fans that never bothered with c1 and act like he was only a c2 teaser.

You have clearly not watched any of season 2.

@packofweaviles1027

25 күн бұрын

You mean Campaign 2 I assume? And yes he mentioned he never watched any of Critical Role.