The fact that Wakeone is even considering giving them a contract extension shows that even THEY knew they messed up.

@niklausoul996

8 ай бұрын

btw thank you for being respectful 🙏 it’s not happening quite often with kep1er on youtube

@salembejaoui1880

8 ай бұрын

Extending the contract of a failed group isn't even worth it. They'd have to do A LOT of work for this group to succeed. It's just too late now

@niklausoul996

8 ай бұрын

@@salembejaoui1880 i mean they're VERY successful in Japan, w1 is getting a lot of money from that so that may be one of the reason of the possible contract extension...

@chengetaimubaiwa2239

8 ай бұрын

Well, I highly doubt if any of the members will be looking to renew their contract. I've been hearing that the CEO of XGALX (the company that manages XG) has plans for Hikaru (this is what I've heard. (Not sure if it's been confirmed) and honestly I would want that for Hikaru coz AT LEAST XGALX knows what they're doing and have been consistent in promoting and managing XG. Like it's been over a year since XG debut and they've been doing exceptionally well so far. I mean they had Ciara and Jackson Wang cover AND feature in their song Left Right. (Aight inner ALPHAZ fangirling over) Overall, I feel like kep1er are better off disbanding and moving on. And this should serve as Wakeone learning from this and doing better with their next group. But if the girls do decide to renew they better not fuck this up

@UncannyCreative8128

8 ай бұрын

Of course they'll make their own separate ways in the industry after Kepler but I feel like Wake one management left them with nothing to write about for their future endeavors apart from winning awards being in the group and performing and making sales

Kep1er, the girl group with so much talent and visual appeal that was ruined by their company. Also as people say, "You can tell WakeOne didn't get the lineup they wanted." They treat these girls as some side-gig. Covers... nah, variety shows... nah, concept... nah, talent... yay, and correctly managed... nah. With Kep1er we just have an abundant of solo stans, good b-sides, and amsr. These girls deserve so much more.

@sarabeatriz5569

8 ай бұрын

I don't think they had a problem with the lineup tbh. If you watched gp999 you'll notice that almost all of the girls who debuted were pushed pretty hard in the show (except for bahiyyih), so even if they could rig the lineup it would probably not look very different from now. I think the company just noticed that the group wasn't doing as well as expected after a while (which is entirely w1's fault btw) and just decided to drop the ball entirely, since they could just invest on their new bg instead

@Dino-pk5hc

8 ай бұрын

let be real ! this is NOT the REAL lineup ! Yujin should NOT be on the lineup ! she brings NOTHING to the group, fans voted for her because they PITIED her (evil edit Yu Fanning) and other members ! ... Cai Bing, Yurina, Yu Fanning should be on the lineup !

@Everythingz127

8 ай бұрын

​@@sarabeatriz5569nah they have a huge problem with this lineup, this lineup is just NOT IT. They can't sell that "produce group image" they have talent,, but they don't have that group impact, that product group have

@springfilter

8 ай бұрын

Some things that make or break the group is always the name and their debut. There has to be visual, verbal appeal to the name and THERE HAS to be public appeal to a debut which still makes a statement on the groups signature sound. Unfortunately, W1 did mess up big time initially. UP was their peak, it was their sound, they found it and yet W1 followed it up with We Fresh.

@useranon613

8 ай бұрын

​@@Dino-pk5hc....um, you mean Fu Yaning...?

The start of Kep1er’s downfall was joining queendom. They were competing with established groups as babies. Like Brave Girls only had two songs to choose from to cover, and Kep1er had already performed one of them in the first episode. I enjoyed watching their personal variety show to get to know their personalities, but the uploads became infrequent during their participation in queendom, which caused me to lose interest. I supported them throughout the show because the girls are so talented. But, competing with veterans was challenging, and while I absolutely adore the girls and was always hoping for an improvement in their ranking, it was incomparable. I do think their confidence suffered after the competition. And people’s perception of them turned negative. They honestly should’ve just spent that time establishing their sound for their next cb, or promoted msk as a single

@zibbitybibbitybop

8 ай бұрын

I highly doubt the members had any say in the matter. Makes me wonder if any of them really wanted to be on that show at all.

@mimi-du5tl

8 ай бұрын

@@zibbitybibbitybop yeah, they probably didn’t have a choice. I think some of them were even joking about how they were just in one survival show and now another one.

@orion5445

8 ай бұрын

To this day I question the point in that. Those girls just came from a survival show and worked hard to be in the group for them to have be in another competition right after debuting against VETERAN idols? However it's pretty impressive how they did so well despite that.

@myfavstore

8 ай бұрын

However, there were many new fans for Kepler after queendom 2.

@eustolia

8 ай бұрын

gosh how i hated them joining that show right after gp999

The difference between Kep1er and ZB1’s debut mv budget is CRAZY

The Space concept has SO MUCH potential if you ask me, there so many possibilities in which you can take a comeback, from literal, scientifical references to mythological interpretations & stories and even conspiracy theories such as aliens, their company had MORE THAN ENOUGH material to work with for the 2.5 years they would be together. Such a missed opportunity, I really hope another group tries their hand at this concept because it’s really cool. Also, what you said about this entire project doing more ‘harm’ to these girls’ career instead of good is so true because they now have a reputation that’s going to be hard to shake off with kpop fans. I wish them the best thought because none of this is their fault.

@renale5707

8 ай бұрын

I don’t really see the last part that much. Without kep1er/the projekt nobody would know them. And even tho there not the most popular/loved group ever. There still popular and have a lot of people following them. I think there doing fine, and im pretty sure if there conctract is over, they will have no problem getting into another group

@lesleyblackvelvet7647

4 ай бұрын

I remembered that Reddit post about someone asking ChatGPT how to manage the group and they did a better job at it 😂

That's how I feel too. You literally couldn't escape IZ'ONE when they were around, everyone was talking about them, their music was of high quality, the members were memorable and well liked...and people mourned the loss of this group when they disbanded But I'm not seeing that memorability in Kepler. They don't even seem like a Produce group, just a group that's doing well enough to be noticed by people and think "Oh yeah, they're the predecessors of IZ'ONE" I love these girls don't get me wrong, they have so much potential and talent...their company just isn't doing anything to make these girls the superstars that they are supposed to be

@pennymikk

8 ай бұрын

Successor, not predecessor :)

@amayascloud

8 ай бұрын

@@pennymikk Oh whoops, my bad XD Thanks for the correction

@benji0099

8 ай бұрын

Also, I don't think its talked about enough, but Wakeone never gave Kep1er anywhere near the budget Iz*one had. From mvs and teaser photos to channel content and styling.....it all seems cheap in comparison. Like they have been competing with Ive, Le SSer, New Jeans, Aespa, etc. and it just doesn't come close....just compare the production value of Giddy to I Am, Unforgiven, Spicy.....When fans have so many groups to choose from to stan and spend money on, Wakeone has done nothing to make Kep1er a top choice.

@Dino-pk5hc

8 ай бұрын

because this is the NOT the real Kepler lineup ! the REAL kepler lineup is GP episode 11 lineup ... episode 12 - final lineup is RIGGED !

@AmiAki

8 ай бұрын

Same I didn’t even watch produce my friends did but I eventually had to check them out cuz all I would see is so many people talking about them.

As someone who watched Girls Planet and Boys Planet, and has followed both groups, it is genuinely so sad to see just how differently they are treated. Not trying to knock ZB1 down ofc I love them but like damn the difference in treatment is crazy

@benji0099

8 ай бұрын

This tends to happen across all companies....the groups that bring in the most money will get a bigger budget. (Zhang Hao's Cbar preorders for their upcoming album has already crossed 160k+ albums.....more than Kep1er has sold of Magic Hour.) Not to mention ZB1 is staggeringly more popular in Korea, and they will of course get more offers from variety shows and other solo gigs. This is not to say Kep1er doesn't deserve more, bc they absolutely did from that crap company, but comparing to ZB1 just isn't really fair.

@JarrodF7405

8 ай бұрын

​@benji0099 so true I mean look at starship with IVE they solely focused on them and put Monsta X and WJSN in the back. It's unfair.

@benji0099

8 ай бұрын

@@JarrodF7405 its not unfair. kpop is as business. why should the money Ive brings in be spent on other groups? Ntm MonstaX started military enlistment when Ive debuted, so thats stupid to say they've been "put in the back".

@JarrodF7405

8 ай бұрын

@benji0099 where is WJSN then 🤔 they resigned with starship and no news about them since. These groups helped starship stay afloat. While sistar was gone and before IVE was there. Now they put in the back 😒

@benji0099

8 ай бұрын

@@JarrodF7405 what about them? Ive is Starship's biggest moneymaker ever, of course they will be the main focus of the company. And a good chunk of the money Ive has brought to Starship will be reinvested into the group. Hopefully WJSN will get a cb soon, but you turning this thread into a way to bash on Ive is pathetic.

Galileo is probably their last korean comeback and they were unnoticeable. I cant really comprehend how a creative group full of multiple individuals cant come up with a concept that makes sense and has meaning. Msvk should have been their debut track and from there they should have gave them songs that were similar but at the same different for example love on lock. In conclusion for me kepler journey has a been beautiful but at the same time it has been a waste of time and potential.

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

*Hi, I am not sure if you know this but the reason why Kep1er latest comeback, Galileo was not noticed much by the public was because Wakeone delayed their comeback and decided to sabotage Kep1er and scheduled their comeback on September 25th. Which was during the Korean Holiday Chuseok, when all of the music shows were cancelled. Unfortunately due to this, Kep1er’s Galileo promotions were cut short.* •Also, because of this Kep1er unfortunately was not able to promote any of their new B-sides from their Magic Hour Album on music shows. Wakeone instead promoted their B-sides on Kep1er's Galileo comeback showcase, SBS INKIGAYO in Tokyo, Artbeat KZread Channel, some music festivals/events,their 2nd Korean Fanmeet,etc.

@canella411

8 ай бұрын

@@wonderlucky1912 Damm, thanks for the info. I wasn't aware, no wonder they started promoting on music shows so late. Wake one as a company sucks,

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

@@canella411 Hi you are welcome. Wake one is truly awful. The Kep1er members deserve so much better. It’s so frustrating and such a missed opportunity how Wakeone can manage to do something good for Kep1er (have them back their debut space concept back for Galileo and continue to give Kep1er’s great B-sides for the general public) *and then sabotage them at the same time (not promoting their comeback and B-sides enough. It hurts to see because The Kep1er members worked so hard for this comeback since all of their new B-sides had choreography.*

@m.syauqiabdurahman2798

8 ай бұрын

The seed of problem personally can actually already trace back to GP999. Like just compare this, how many people enjoyed GP999 more than BP. Sure maybe some people think that but i bet most of you will say BP. Even most of koreans thinks so too. Y'know the mindset, they don't like the show or their fav don't make it, usually they don't like the final group result either. But the real seed of problem was notice when WakeOne decide to put Kepler, a newly debuted group back in 2022 at that time in Queendom S2, and that was turns out to be quite disastorous since their aren't really prepared yet like with their experience and songs. And ever since then, it all comes tumbling down. I like to think WakeOne don't know what to do with Kepler. Maybe they either don't like the lineup they get or simply don't care about it. And i know comparing is not that great but hear me out, WakeOne may have seen more profit in ZB1 than Kep1er and while it sad, it is true, if we put ourself in their shoes, ofc we would have pick the one that proved to be more profitable in the market, and ZB1's album sale has been great, their recent pre order of 1.7 million has exceeded their debut album which is around 1,080,000. So in a way, the legacy kep1er is a group of 9 talented girls getting unlucky with a quite shitty company's treatment, 4th GG war (Since Kep1er debut in 2022 and you kmow what 2022 is liek for rookie GG), conceot confusion, their place in the business standpoint of the music market, and many more.

It’s really sad because i like Kepler so much as individuals. What’s even SADDER is that I feel like half of these members would’ve been better off without Kepler. I think of Hikaru all the time who was set be a member of XG- who’s killing it rn, but left due to GP. And though Yujin definitely got some recognition from the show, there’s no clear path she can go on after they disband since she doesn’t have a company to go back to.

@ShelbySerendipity

8 ай бұрын

That’s what is so frustrating. The members of Kep1er are super talented idols. Bahiyyih was a Cube trainee. Xiaoting, Yeungeun and Dayeon have impressive dance backgrounds and training. Mashiro was a JYP trainee. Chaehyun was a SM trainee. Hikaru trained with XG. Yeseo and Yujin were already debuted idols. You don’t become trainees for these companies or debut as idols without some serious talent to make it that far. But they will disband without people recognizing that talent because of the lack of opportunities and showcases that W1 has given them.

@mylovechoerry2233

8 ай бұрын

Hikaru was not set to be in xg she was butted off by Simon himself

@gdragon42069

8 ай бұрын

xg hikaru would’ve slayed

@winn0_im

8 ай бұрын

@@mylovechoerry2233 she was removed for the moment because of her involvement with GP. no? Simon likely knew when he wanted to debut the girls and it wouldn’t have matched up with Hikaru being a member

@winn0_im

8 ай бұрын

@@gdragon42069 ikr. Whenever XG and Hikaru do the dance challenges together it makes me so sad 😭

I feel like the problem with space concepts is that they are usually just tacked on for the aesthetic. It's usually just space in the background or members in space interacting with it somehow. Space is also so broad as well. I feel like space stories should have existential themes to them as it often does in other media. I think cosmic horror ( if not for kepler, I think dreamcatcher and billlie could pull it off too) or something like sailor moon and like gundam or neon genesis evangelion could work. Have earth be in danger from space forces and they have a timeline for when the world ends that coincidentally aligns with their disbandment date. A group of 9 superpowered girls is the earth's last hope. You can even work in the separation into the last mv and have it so they have to split up to protect the world, like they each absorbed something from the final battle that if brought together again could be dangerous. You could also just have them decide to split up to help other planets now that earth is saved. I feel like groups who have set disbandments could have such cool concepts because you already know about when the disbandment will be. Tell a good concise story.

@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia

8 ай бұрын

I like this idea so much!

@koirvne

8 ай бұрын

Exo's concept is space too and their cringy debut did way better than Kepler's whole discography

@sztrife1

8 ай бұрын

You want a Evangelion concept for Kep1er lmao that's a funny idea

@m.centuries6027

8 ай бұрын

@@sztrife1 Not gonna lie, I've never seen Eva. I just ment the aesthetic

@sztrife1

8 ай бұрын

@@m.centuries6027 oooh, you should totally check it out hehe big time, it's a deep watch so give it patience. it's kind of a meme how deep it is that's why it's funny lol

Kep1er to me was an experiment to see if people would watch Produce post-scandal. There’s no way they were expected to succeed- because if they were why on earth was their entire debut so messy and half-baked? Their concept, their mvs, even the way they were constantly rewearing their performance outfits. Everything screamed “we aren’t sure if we should put effort and budget into this group.” It was even more insulting when they sent them to Queendom 2- it wasn’t enough to have test run rebranded Produce, they needed contestants for another show as well. And it took the steam out from their debut and broke down the girls confidence. I do worry for the members. Some have strong fan support and I think they will be fine. But other members are from small or badly run companies. Some members are from Japan or China and may return there rather than continue in the Kpop industry. And for Yujin she is likely considered too old to redebut in another group. It’s hardly fair that this group of talented idols are going to go their separate ways with so little to show for all their hard work. I really do hope they don’t renew their contracts because I really don’t think W1 can do any better than what they’ve done so far- and I think it will be a long slow decline rather than them trying to find success elsewhere.

they have one of, if not the best dance lines in 4th gen.. such a shame that they're under such a shitty company. they're such good performers and wakeone doesn't know how to utilize their best stan attractors like xiaoting, chaehyun and hiyyih. they've been hinting at contract renewal not happening recently and it breaks my heart but i wish for them to do well in the future. my girls deserve so much better

the fact that they have probably one of the most talented dancers line in kpop right now yet sleepone refused to fully take advantage of that with their style & concept is beyond my logic. i know sleepone probably didn't get the line-up that they were expected, but at least they still should try to make the group as marketable & profitable as they can anyway, right!? it's not like sleepone had a lot of artists under their hands that they can choose to put kep1er on the side

The really hard loss of Iz*One's disbandment and Mnet's Produce rigging/manipulation scandals didn't help Kep1er's chances either. Mnet wasted no time trying to rebrand so soon with Girls' Planet and that put a bad taste into people's mouths. Mnet should've waited a few years and actually showed they learned their lesson. I also think WakeOne's decision to put them on Queendom was a huge mistake - I keep thinking back how Queendom affected seasoned veterans like Lovelyz and VIVIZ (ex Gfriend members) and actually hurt their careers. Putting a rookie girl group straight out the womb on there was a terrible decision.

I just will not accept Kep1er disbanding without a full album, so WakeOne better get going with it NOW.

@eustolia

8 ай бұрын

AND A TOUR 😩

@user-ir6rk7wi4o

8 ай бұрын

@@eustoliaiz*one didn’t have a tour so why should kep1er have one

@eustolia

8 ай бұрын

@@user-ir6rk7wi4o well first of all they’re two separate groups so it’s weird making comparisons, also iz*one wasn’t able to bc covid (i’m pretty sure they would’ve had one if it weren’t for that) + wanna one was a project group and they had a tour so...

While I have so many thoughts on what wakeone didn't do well, I will say this: putting kep1er on queendom 2 was probably one of the worst decisions ever made by the company. They just debuted and did not have an established fanbase yet, they were competing with groups that had years of experience and fans backing them up, and they did rather poorly on the show. Not only did it make the girls feel unconfident, but the show also made the group look incredibly incompetent due to their low ranking :( the girls were discouraged and their appearance led to a lot of outrage because they literally just debut fresh out of the oven. All in all it just left a bad impression on the group which is unfavorable when bringing in new fans.

And btw, kep1er is doing well. They've sold over 1 million album copies (and counting) in less than 2 years, a huge feat for most girl groups. They've sold out concerts with tens of thousands in attendance (they had a fan meeting with 8,000 in attendance just yesterday. For just a fan meeting!). Charted high on music platforms used by millions of listeners like line music, raked in millions of youtube views, won awards, and have done shoots with famous magazines like harper's Bazaar. The girl's have made literal millions of dollars, and their lives have been changed forever by their time in this group. Not to mention the powerful bond they all share with each other (all 9 of them wore matching friendship socks to the airport and posed for the photographers with them and yujin their leader cried while performing back to the city because of how much she loves kep1er and kep1ians). So don't feel sorry for them. They've done so well given the odds that were stacked against them and they all have bright futures ahead of them, I'm sure of it.

@alexhdravs3105

7 ай бұрын

they are not making millions. Kpop idols are payed very badly

@victoria-me7hw

7 ай бұрын

@alexhdravs3105 I know idols typically aren't paid well, but kepi is still bringing millions to the company for sure. And although I don't know exactly how much they're being paid, I know it's something substantial because yujin was able to buy her parents an expensive gift with her own salary after kep1er's debut for the first time because cube hadn't been paying clc well.

i've always said that the reason wakeone didn't put any effort into kep1er is because they didn't get the lineup they wanted & they don't know what to do with all nine girls. yall can say the lineup doesn't make sense & the girls don't fit together & wtv other bs yall say but look at groups like loona, billlie, & twice. girls with very different personalities/personas but somehow work together.

@Stankep1er.

6 ай бұрын

Youre totally right. The member-positions explained it. I understand groups having these, but not even giving some members the opperturnity to try other things is wackkk.

I feel the corporate point of Kep1er was to see how much they could rig without actually rigging. So they could figure out what worked best before they did it with the boys group that would make them way more money. I'm so heartbroken about Kep1er. I love them a lot but wake one continuously fails them. I remember with Giddy I didn't even know a mv was coming til it was out, and I follow their socials. Ultra cute space would have been amazing but wake one refused to bother. Instead giving half assed bs. What's also heartbreaking is I'm getting the same vibes from EL7Z UP, which I adore (Yuki and Nana are my ults)

Kep1er's legacy is how cohesive, clear concepts and a united fandom are important to keep a group thriving. They are a lesson to learn from. If anyone is still interested in listening to new music, kep1er bsides are a great listen.

They are incredible performers on stage (check the japan concert), and for me, their best song "MVSK" was a miss, promotion speaking. I think a lot of mistakes has been made by the artistic direction and promotional management. Plus, their debut was late (in comparison with izone) AND they had the IVE, LE SSERAFIM and NEW JEANS phenomenon the same year. From my point of view, its 50% management mistakes, 50% unlucky. But, we all know what a produce group is for. It's just a matter of breeding horses and then distributing them to different stables in order to maximize future profitability. They didnt give a S about concept. They are just here for the harvest. And they already know which one is the most profitable and which one to bet on for the next race. Sorry if I'm being rude, but I hate what they did with those very talented girls (And to be clear, I'm not Kep1an).

@annamann8659

8 ай бұрын

I think you hit the nail on the head. They are mismanaged but they also just were not lucky in the 4th gen race

@dracol2399

8 ай бұрын

Mvsk was a mature, powerful, confident song. The choreography, their stage presence, and their voices relayed that concept beautifully. I feel like even with all them debuting they still had a chance to compete had the company done a better job with handling them. I already knew they were talented, but Mvsk highlighted just how talented they were and seeing them improve in a short amount of time only makes me believe they could have been just as successful as the other groups who debuted that year, especially with all the media hype of the group formed by gp999 had the company listen to not just to the public. Why would they give them girl crush and space theme when the public was sick of that them and told them during the production of gp999 they didn't want the group that forms from this to have a space theme because we've seen it so many times. I feel like thats why "UP" was refreshing for the fans because it was what we wanted.

People really downplay the other side of the Produce fraud scandal; we talk a lot about how GP999 had bad rep but not enough how fundamentally Wanna, IZ*One and X-1 can’t be compared to IOI and Kep1er: - they hand picked the members, mostly from somehow established companies (if you look at it, even the companies with no idols were big with actors or models, meaning they have the network down) - they had a sophisticated and polished concept in place, with well produced songs and everything, just waiting for the right members - knowing who would debut, they could tailor and adjust screentime and edit to keep them into the public consciousness - they could pick the evaluation songs to make us pin into a certain type of group for the final lineup by automatically making certain concepts more exciting than others From W1 to X-1 they basically had an entire show to advertise an already made group and grow their individual fanbases prior to debut. X-1 being the one that made people look further makes sense cause compared to the previous Produce groups was the one with the most questionable entries and the least cohesive lineup - had it looked as nice as W1 and IZ*One they would for sure get away with it. The most recent case of trying to pull this off is the group HYBE made in R U Next, the coaches made so blatantly obviously bad judgment that very quickly the viewers wanted nothing to do with the group so their goal of building a fanbase more or less backfired. It takes balance to sell the false feel of helping build a group, but if done right it’ll always be leagues ahead by the time they debut next to a group actually made by fan voting.

What is wild to me is that their Japanese title tracks are ALWAYS better than their Korean title tracks. Of course taste is subjective but it’s always seemed odd to me.

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

I have seen many Kep1er fans & especially Casual Kep1er fans say that they prefer Kep1er’s B-sides & Japanese releases compare to their Korean Title Tracks. *I have noticed that Kep1er’s Japanese team seems to have more of a clear plan for Kep1er’s Japanese discography, their 3 Albums based on the titles seem to be following a Trilogy. I have seen many fans express that they want Kep1er to work with them for their future Korean releases.*

@ShelbySerendipity

8 ай бұрын

It’s because Wadada was a genuine hit in Japan and charted very well. Their company has since prioritized the Japanese market. They spend half their time if not more promoting there. It’s a bit worrisome because who knows if that will be helpful to the girls when they redebut in Kpop companies who may not have the funds to have a timely Japanese debut.

@slowghostly

8 ай бұрын

i think some people say it’s because the management is different in japan but i’m not sure of the details

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

@@slowghostly Hi, I am not sure about the specific details either but you can definitely tell that Kep1er’s Japanese management cares so much more about Kep1er than their Korean management. For example, for Kep1er’s 2023 fan meets their concept photos and merch are very different (have different concepts/quality) for both Japan and Korea.

@oneiric-diary

3 ай бұрын

@@wonderlucky1912 kep1er's japanese team is WAAAAYY better than their korean one. want proof? theyve only had japanese concerts, not one korean one, + their first full album is gonna be a japanese one

I'm literally so scared for the future of most of the girls because, as you mentioned, these survival show groups are meant to give you a solid fanbase so that you can build a career on it, maybe get contract offers from bigger companies, like Chaewon & Sakura did, but as of now I'm afraid none of them will be in any IVE/Le Sserafim-like group or be extremely popular soloists like Yena or Chaeyeon... Makes me really sad, I love Kep1er so much, I support them with every comeback, I have their lightstick etc, but I'm still not sure if I really want them to resign with W1...

I believed that if wake one said that Kepler’s concept was dimensions\planets their cb would make more sense like each concept trailer before their release, would be them discovering a new planet and how the ppl/aliens live there. For example UP planet could be a lot softer and ppl just having fun there, while the We fresh planet could be like the working class and futuristic. With the concept of space they could have gone in so many different directions, it’s really sad to see how wo did them dirty

@eustolia

8 ай бұрын

now this !!

Their biggest downfall DEFINITELY came from Queendom 2. Like WHY did Wakeone even make them go?! It’s bad enough that they’re a rookie group with only a debut album to use during the show, but they’re an MNET show group too which created soo much unnecessary hate and controversy for the girls. Plus, Mnet has the WORST EDITING EVER and there were a lot of edited moments that made Kep1er out to be a disrespectful group of babies who whines and cries over everything. Queendom did absolutely NOTHING for Kep1er except give K-pop fans a few more reasons to slander them a part from the already toxic solo fanbases and the lack of quality combacks/title songs. The best way to describe Kep1er is “A group full of potential that never gets used properly.” Their concept had so much potential, their music had so much potential, the members themselves had SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but WAKEONE is the sole reason why nothing went their way. They poorly designed and utilized these girls and as a result the toxic solo fans began to grow as their attention in the general public eye began to dwindle into nothing.

I feel like so much of what you pointed out was really good, especially when you pointed out how the majority of iz*ones members made it into groups or made it as soloists. I wonder whats gonna happen to them, especially the more neglected members. You can also prob see a fan turnover from wiz*ones to the newer groups or support as soloists. An example would be bahiyyih, i dont think i could see her as a soloist, and she was never given opportunities in kep1er, so a group seems a harder reach. I hope all the members can really make it! Also you should cover universe ticket or dream academy at some point.

@ShelbySerendipity

8 ай бұрын

Hiyyih recently did an interview with an Apink member and confirmed she is still a trainee with IST so it’s possible they debut her in a group or as a soloist. But for her, and so many other members like Youngeun with Biscuit Ent.- they’d have so many more opportunities if they were more popular. If they were more popular- they’d be able to seek out better companies and leverage their fame.

@mahi-fn6to

8 ай бұрын

no but she has like the most amount of solo stans so i could actually see her being one of the successful members

@orion5445

8 ай бұрын

@@mahi-fn6to Tbf most of those people stan her bc of her brother (in my opinion). She barely gets the opportunity to shine. At best she's currently just a sub vocalist and more or less a backup dancer.

@kipppure

8 ай бұрын

@ShelpbySerendipity i really hope so, like her vocals can be such a rock for whatever group she would be in

@kipppure

8 ай бұрын

i honestly dont know her brothers name (sry mostly a gg stan) so... honestly just know a couple of their songs. and i hope, if she moves on to a new group later, she does get a chance cuz she does have rly good potential!

Kep1er is a perfect example of wasted potential. I don’t think any other group was mismanaged that badly in 4th gen at least.

As someone who joined the fandom during up era and had no clue what girls plant was I feel very weird about Kepler. Oh, I think it’s undeniable that this is a girl group with a ton of talent probably one of the best dance lines of the fourth generation with a pretty strong replying to go with it. It’s just the fact of the company doesn’t really utilize the talent well. Also, the lack of a concept or even better yet lore is also very disappointing . If you really think about it, sometimes with trips up groups that do lore is that they try to extend it over 5 to 7 years with this group you would’ve had a definitive end to the story. if they had done lore the story would’ve started and had a definitive end.

I love Kep1er so much but even as a huge Kep1ian I agree that so many mistakes were made on their song choices and promotion. Wa da da really set them off on the wrong foot and I don’t think people stuck around long enough to see if they could ever pick back up. I love these girls and hope they somehow manage to have better careers going forward

A wakeone staff insider confirmed that kep1er was set up to absorb the hate from the rigging scandal. which is why zb1's budget was 4x that of kep1er. they didnt put the effort in nor tried to stop the fanwars as they wanted the community to vent their frustrations out on kep1er so that Mnet could go back to making produce groups. in essence kep1er was the sacrificial lamb. Which is SUCH a shame. As the girls are talented. they are one of the most synchronised girl group in kpop dethroning Gfriend and IZONE with a 97% accuracy rate. They are amazing dancers and the vocal improvement the girls have had over these last 2 years is astounding (not that wakeone seems to show it in their releases). The sad bit is, their legacy of their talent will reflect what wakeone allowed the girls to show Which was only a small portion of their capabilities. They could have been top of 4th gen if wakeone played their cards right. but it was never wakeones intention to do so. esp showing as the latest era had no funding into outfits or appearances, ended early and the rise in album costs just show wakeone using them for squeeze every drop they can from the suffering fanbase. The girls are still in bunkbeds when zb1 members now have their own istg.

Let’s hope they put out a banger final song! That would really elevate their legacy. At least Galileo is charting ok! I’ve always been rooting for kep1 but I agree with most the points you made.

@eustolia

8 ай бұрын

i love the girls so much and if they don’t get a contract renewal i really do hope as well that they go out with a bang 😭

I've never seen a group have such a problem with title tracks that almost every comeback, the fans have decided "x song in album should've been the title tracK". It's almost every fucking comeback at this point lol Wadada -> A lot of people preferred MVSK because it was just a stronger concept that gave more members time to shine Up -> People actually liked this one We Fresh -> LITERALLY ANY OTHER SONG, but a lot of people me included felt like they should've pulled a (G)I-DLE with Lion and just did Can't Turn Me Down Giddy -> Back to the City Galileo -> LVLY or Love on Lock

Kep1er was a sacrifice. Use them to get through the rigging backlash, give them the bare minimum and let them take the hate for it, before properly promoting ZB1.

as a keplian when i saw the title i thought i was gonna get mad but i sadly agree. im so sad bc i know they will disband and people will only care abt hiyyih xiaoting and hikaru.

I was hoping that they were going to pull off an I.O.I, I.O.I's debut was okay-ish but they reinvented themselves and came back stronger, doubling their sales and topping every major music charts. Well... we knew that it didnt happened to Kep1er, somehow WakeOne magically fucked up every comeback. I agree with you, rather than coming up with a good song and concept that makes them stand out, they just threw whatever sticks to them and then just run with it. I think WakeOne knows that they're doomed from the start cuz they knew the competition was tough and just gave up on them. If only they had a little faith in them and took care of them they can be massive. Wasted potential, these girls do not deserve this.

the constant negativity surronding kep1er is vv annoying so im commenting what i want the girls to do after they disband 🫶🏾🫶🏾 yujin - soloist + actress xiaoting - six membered gg with a mature concept (having another chinese member would be good) mashiro - five-ish membered gg with a dark elegant sound (lovelyz obliviate era) chaehyun - soloist dayeon - seven?? membered gg with a girl crush concept hikaru - four or six membered gg with a girl crush concept (im rlly interested in seeing what avex will do with her, she's a star in the making) hiyyih - six membered gg with either a hi-teen concept or an elegant concept youngeun - six-ish membered gg with a girl crush concept (something like billlie) yeseo - five-ish membered gg with a dark elegant sound (lovelyz obliviate era)

@chelleange1s

8 ай бұрын

mashiro & yeseo are gonna be in 143 entertainment so if they're not in limelight, i want them in a group with a concept like that i could actually see dayeon + hikaru redebuting together with youngeun. it'd be a rlly powerful lineup.

@cubriffic172

8 ай бұрын

​@@chelleange1sIIRC limelight has a extending member concept so Im 100% sure those two are ending up in there

@MinhNguyen-cr7wn

8 ай бұрын

For youngeun, I don't really see that Billlie is a group with a little unique concept, and the concept is not easy for youngeun to concentrate I see youngeun could be in group with something more gentle, and smoother than Billlie (and even if who said which position could for YoungEun in group like Billlie? It's not, they're are full of potential position, not need anyone anymore)

@chelleange1s

8 ай бұрын

@@MinhNguyen-cr7wn I never said youngeun should be in billlie, i said a concept/sound like billlie

Great video as always, very very excited for that IZ*ONE video and good luck with your school stuff !

and when everyone realise that my girls had zero chance from the start bc knetz are BOYCOTTING them bc of the rigging scandal… they deserve so much more and of course kpop stans i will not forgive you for putting them through so much during this past two years

As a zb1 fan imo you can really tell the difference between the two groups’ treatments, of course neither of them are treated that well but you can tell wakeone dgaf about kep1er AT ALL and it’s sad to me because i know these girls are very talented

I strongly believe that kep1er had so much potential to be just as big as izone but w1 didn't have any idea what they were going to do with them after girls planet,plus the fandom was so divided from debut cause ppl weren't happy with the final line up which created alot of ot8 and solo stans All they needed was proper management, good music and proper treatment of the members and they were destined for greatness is sad cause the group feels like a waste compared to other survival show groups

am i the only one who really likes "Galileo"? Like i really like it, personally i think it's one of their best comeback

@kiki-ek7lr

8 ай бұрын

it was good but lovestruck was a better and stronger album sadly

@alexhdravs3105

8 ай бұрын

@@kiki-ek7lr the only track i genuinely enjoyed from lovestruck was BTTC. Fine the other tracks were good and listenable but not as slayable ass BTTC😻😻

@kiki-ek7lr

8 ай бұрын

@@alexhdravs3105 what?????? No???? Why and happy ending were soooooo good

@MinhNguyen-cr7wn

8 ай бұрын

Idk but when I hear Galileo it reminds me somehow about their WADADA's era, they go so far and now back to the original concept but with something different

Great video! I agree that Kepler debuted at the absolute worst time! IVE's debut song with Eleven! LE SSERAFIM's Fearless concept! And the Monster Rookies that have Korea in a chokehold, NewJeans! It's unfortunate! And a sidenote: Not everyone can commit to a space theme! It's incredibly expensive! Look at LOONA! They, in my opinion had the best understanding of their concept despite coming from a mid-level company! But at the expense of management poorly treating their artist! Don't do a space concept if you don't have the budget! It's as simple as that!

Wake One has the guts to release MVSK, LVLY and Love On Lock and not make those songs title tracks They all have the alien feels and are all masterpieces Wtf is wrong with that company and managing Kep1er

"Let me guys know what you think" outro I heard that Taejiu 🤣 great vid as always tho keep it up!

Kep1er's music is actually really good and I feel bad that people don't listen to it because of their titles

I love kep1er so much and I’ll be so sad

Kep1er is a girl group filled with a crazy good talent, we all saw it on gp999. If wakeone has paid attention to how much love MVSK was granering, they could have still changed the concept and come back big in the very first comeback. If they had that kind of concept, I can guarentee they would have just as much fame and popularity as IVE or Le sserafim do today. Plus, the Queendom mess. They could've easily had an extra comeback in the time they had wasted on Queendom as literal rookie. It's a pity, we can only hope that whatever they do after this they garner the attention they deserve.

The Kep1er members are so talented, it makes me so sad that their full potential wasn't shown and the group nor it's individual members gained much popularity. All of these girls desearve the best in life and even though it's not too likely, I really hope they get to show their talent and shine in whatever they do after the group disbands. I.O.I was so iconic, Izone was a staple of their generation, Zb1 is so popular already. Of course Kep1er was quite popular too at their debut but I feel like with every comeback they lose sales and views and popularity overall. It kind of worries me that if they did have another comeback it would be much worse than the previous ones and by the time they disband nobody will pay attention to what the indivisual members new careers or activites. At this point there really isn't much WakeOne could do to boost their popularity last minute. I feel so bad for the girls and I just hope they all get the love and attention and promotion they deserve in the future. ❤️❤️

i feel like w1 got their shit together when it came to deciding on a sound for kep1er with i do do you but at that point it was already too late bc most kpop stans refuse to even tune in to them anymore after having heard we fresh

I loved their “UP!” comeback but it was very confusing. The sound was way off their debut sound.. the space themed one. MVSK got me into the girl group. I saw a tiktok saying kpop should make more music like it. At that time it was a different and catchy sound. I just think W1 wanted to show these girls could do more than one typ of concept. Which wouldve been a great idea to show they have alot of potential, but it was just not it, the change. I believe that mustve ruined their fandom. It’s hard to stan a group that comes with a different sound every comeback. Even I had a hard time to ACTUALLY like a song, because I love these girls sm. I really want to… I’ll be sad them disbanding soon, but i’ll be happy to see them going on a new path and hopefully a better threating one. Ofcourse you’d like to see them all together again, but maybe its meant to be. Maybe they dont fit at all together. Maybe we’ll notice that once theyve redebuted or are doing other jobs like model or actress. I 🤍 kep1er tho and I’ll always support them!

I agree that Wakeone failed them and now Kep1er girls had to endure so much. A lot of points you brought up are very true and as a fan of Kep1er, this is frustrating and will be until the end of their contract. Still it is sad that they lost their popularity etc due to mismanagement as they all had and still have potential as individuals.

As a pre-debut fan (First Impact was my first album) I can definitely say their debut had a ton of hype, like even though it received mixed reviews it was still quite successful, until they sent them to Queendom... its such a shame because how do you have dancers like Hikaru, Yougheun, Xiaoting, Dayeon, Mashiro and Yeseo, Chaehyun and Yujin amazing vocalists and Bahiyyih bringing the group international popularity and you STILL manage to fail them...

I am just gonna say izone had akb48 fan to back them up. Produce48 concept was genius because their fan are so dedicated like it's crazy.

@markigirl2757

8 ай бұрын

I was gonna say that too

I also think that W1 had EVERYTHING already roulled out. So it must be hard to change the concept of overall everything. You can notice by their latest comeback (b-sides). That sound has been a thing for over a while now. If they did this sound like 6 months ago It wouldve been noticed better. Why come so late with it? Them having a different sound EVERY cb is just not it. It’s failing them.

These girls really deserve the world and more. They had dreams to make it big, and they’re full of talent and hard-working. Their music being all over the place, to me, just shows they’re versatile. I love “We Fresh”. It’s edgy and rugged and raw rock pop style. Either way, I hope more people can recognize that they are talented and sweet!

i watched girls planet so thoroughly, i had my main picks and a lot of them didn't debut but it was fine because out of the finalists majority of my final top 9 ended up debuting in kep1er, i voted for xiaoting during the live voting and cried my eyes out when her name was finally called out, i'm telling you this to let you know how attached i am to these girls, i was READY to stan, but ultimately i didn't, i couldn't stan just for the sake of the girls whom i love, i didn't like the music, still i rooted for them every comeback and i'm glad i did because i kept an eye on them and still could find a song here and there that i liked, but they don't have that discography that grabbed me enough to make me stan! (that's me personally) and the in fandom fighting definitely drove me away. but on the other hand, i didn't watch boys planet, i watched clips here and there, watched performances and had an eye on a few trainees but nothing more, i didn't have the same level of attachment to it, yet it was so easy for me to get into zerobaseone, and i mentioned the in fandom fighting because the situation is not much better within the zerose fandom, if not worse, yet their music was good enough for me to stick around. the fandom drama is only gonna drive fans away when the music isn't that grabbing, like the fandom experience wasn't enjoyable and i couldn't stick around for music that wasn't exactly my taste either. the members are very charming tho and kep1er may not have boosted their popularity as much as it could or should have but they can still manage to grab the public's attention through whatever they do next, i have faith in them and i'm still hoping for one more korean comeback i didn't even know galileo was potentially their final comeback ?????? crying

I’ll always support kep1er

I honestly hope they don't extend the contract. Being in the group any longer is literally trapping them considering how the company keeps on mismanaging and seems like they have no idea what to do with the group. At least after the contract ends they could possibly have a fresh start and maybe even end up in groups that are popular in future

It’s actually so strange how we’ve ended up here with this group. I remember so many people talking about this group and how it was going to be so amazing and interesting and another Iz*One… but now I’ve heard nothing from the general kpop fandom. Sadly, I just don’t think anyone cares about what this group does anymore because of it’s unclear concept and mid music. I feel bad for the girls, it’s very clear that the company doesn’t want anything to do with this group anymore now that more people are interested in Zerobaseone. I wish the girls the best in the future(I heard their were talks of a contract renewal, but it’s honestly not worth it because like nobody cares).

I agree that Wake One is making mistake after mistake, even if they have a strong lineup and the girls are really talented and they should at least have a blast and make Wake One give them a decent track that should catch up to they're popularity. And as well for my favorite kep1er songs are: MVSK, UP, The Girls and they're version of Pool Party, Giddy, and Back to the City

3 things that ruined their hype. firstly, the company ofc, queendom 2 and those twt stans who are chronically online that literally has no taste and misleading information and talking sh1t about their discography.

@mylovechoerry2233

8 ай бұрын

Twt stan are worst and doomposting about them make for very bad publicity.

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

Hi, I agree with all of the points you made. I find it so interesting how twts stans who are mostly Kep1er antis treat Kep1er. They spread unwarranted hate/drag to each of the members, their discography, spread misinformation and rumors,etc. Which has caused Kep1er to go through a bandwagon hate train especially on Twt.I can’t tell you the amount of times I have seen people online, “Wow, I didn’t know Kep1er had good songs from the way people have talked about their discography before.”

@benji0099

8 ай бұрын

Add member favoritism to the list

@jayvieszn

8 ай бұрын

@@benji0099 akgaes in this fandom is too strong so yeah.

I agree with all that was said here, but its also not the first time mnet production has done this with the girl trial run (ioi) iois treatment and promotion contracts were trash vs the wannaone boys getting all the benefit of coming next

I believe one of the reasons that they're not memorable is not having a specific center yes Chaehyun ( I'm not sure if I spelled her name right) is arguably center but they never pushed her enough as a center nor said that she's the center like every time I think about iz*one I think of Wonyoung then Sakura or every time I think of IoI I think of Somi then Chungha but when I think of Kep1er I don't think of a specific member or even if I try to think of one of the members I usually think of Xiaoting not Chaehyun

I just like their sound. One of my favorite groups.

I'm going to be honest i didn’t watch your video. I was going to but as soon as i heard the whole "we can debate if they (kep1er) are as talented as iz*one" i decided to give it a pass because there in lies the "problem" you all have with kepler if we're being honest, you all are punishing them for NOT being iz*one. Yes, wakeone's management has been subpar at best and downright neglectful at worst but we can not ignore the K-pop community's cruelty as playing a part in actively making things difficult for these girls. KZread is filled with videos similar to this one calling them "flops" saying "no1gaf" and absolutely traumatizing the hell out of these poor girls, because yes they've seen them, and for what? A few likes and views? You all of have thrown every criticism in the book at them (not their company) from "terrible line up" to "bad vocals" to "no musical identity" and all of these are subjective opinions but kpoppies parrot this like its the gospel truth, deterring new fans from giving them a chance because its "not trendy" to stan them the way it is to stan new jeans or le sserafim or ive. They don't receive the love and popularity iz*one did (mainly because they debuted post rigging scandal) so it left them vulnerable to all y'alls harassment and negativity. Please just leave these girls to enjoy the rest of their contract in peace and stop trying to profit off of humiliating them for clicks and likes. Thank you.

@Ankit-uv3yp

8 ай бұрын

Comparison is bound to happen if, yo come from a produce series(or rebranded), Kepler isn't doing that bad, but compared to the legacy they are surely far behind.... You can bash the kpop community as much as you like but at the end of the day their songs are not performing well and sales are decreasing with each release.

@victoria-me7hw

8 ай бұрын

​@Ankit-uv3yp kep1er is doing well in spite of all of the odds stacked against them, which their predecessors never had to face. Korea literally boycotted the survival show they came out of. And yet they still sold over 20 thousand tickets in their most recent fan meeting. They're one of the biggest kpop acts in japan rn, the 2nd biggest music market in the world. The group is extremely profitable despite what you and other kpop fans have told yourselves, because wakeone wouldn't be offering them contract extensions if they weren't. I don't need to prove anything to you at the end of the day. You're going to continue to think poorly of them because you want to live out some regina george fantasy and they're going to continue to make millions while you do.

I don’t think it’s a speculation that Kepler/Girls Planet were a trial run for ZB1/Boys Planet - it’s VERY obvious from how both were run that Kepler WERE a test run - a badly done one that no one cared about at that. But we have their test run burning in flames to thank for ZB1’s success, so in the end their legacy will be the success of ZB1, who couldn’t have existed in such a high quality state without Kepler’s failures.

Personally, I think that you cannot have an experimental concept, or change your concept often (like Kep1er) if you are a temporary group. It doesn’t work out. People won’t cone back, it’s fine for longer groups because they have atleast 7 years to define who they are as idols and what their group is. Temporary groups, not so much.

From what i know, "Doublast" means Double Blast WakeOne wants to fix all of they did saying every comeback is a new planet, i don't think IT IS OK, but it's their justification

completely agree

I alwaya thought that Kepler would go for a concept like "Alien" by AKMU's Lee Su-hyun.

So true

I will say my peace so lol WAKEONE is not Swing Ent or Off The Record. Now saying that… MNET was pretty much in every aspect in the Produce groups. MNET was very much present when it comes to IOI, Wanna One, IZONE and X1. They were putting so much time and effort just as much to the companies who were making the songs and choreography for the Produce groups. Another thing to realize is that IOI - X1 were/are legacy groups. They all earned their titles based off thier well produced songs and iconic dances. There was seemingly meetings and good methodical ideas being created to make thier comebacks and concepts be continuous. Now saying that I would like to point out 2016-2019 was the PEAK of 3rd Gen. these years concepts were MEANT to stick a group would do a concept and just would be that concept for multiple comebacks. IOI=Cutesy Music, WannaOne=Boy to Man concept (they were more flexible), IZONE= Elegant, and X1= They were going for animal concept. Therefore we get to Kepler and ZB1 and clearly WAKEONE is lost trying to “catch” up to trends unlike the Produce Groups were trailblazing thier concepts. I think this is where people need to realize that the two Planet groups are struggling to find thier identity unlike IOI-X1 we’re setting thier identity from the beginning and really making thier concept be unique and fresh. I think WakeOne is scared to be bold I think they choose whatever is easier and “pouplar” but like look at IVE they went with the elegant sound when everyone was doing hard crush concept and now they are the biggest name in Kpop. I just think WakeOne isn’t being decisive as it should be using the fact that they have MNET legacy groups where they can use these groups to be leaders in new sounds and concepts but they are being washed out because grown ups are too scared. This is the problem in later 4th-5th gen that they are scared to be unique because there is too much/many groups and sounds that they can’t be different anymore. Even older groups are struggling with that with only staying with the trends of creating “TikTok” songs. Regardless I think WakeOne is the one who isn’t using their energy and time to make Kep1er and ZB1 unique like the Produce groups were.

I like kep1er and zb1 but wake one treats the other on better. Kep1er deserves better

Hear me out, Wakeone was already negotioating for a contract extention, and i heard somewere that they want kep1er to stay because they want wakeone to grow (or something like that). Maybe they 'mismaneged' kep1er on purpose because when kep1er is not that popular the change of contract extention might increase.

@MinhNguyen-cr7wn

8 ай бұрын

When they have ZEROONEBASE to use here, why did they need Kep1er to just let WakeOne live and grow? They have so many more other items to use, so they have not clearly reason to keep Kep1er stay

I have this thing about general music that an artist has truly made it in society if they have a series of songs (or discography) in which you can play any song at random and the public can identify who sings the song and they don't exactly have to know who the group or artist is. Like you don't have to know what Mariah Carey, Halsey, or even BTS or Twice are, but if you can tell who sung what, that's proof enough that the artist has made it. Had I not been exposed to Kep1er so much because of social media and stuff, if you gave me any random Kep1er song while I'm blindfolded, I promise you, I wouldn't be able to identify Kep1er by the first note, and that is a huge problem. You are right when you say that Kep1er's all-around identity almost doesn't exist. In fact, it flat out doesn't exist, and you can tell this is WakeOne's fault in every way possible. I don't know if this is WakeOne's revenge for what the hell happened in GP999 (I didn't watch the show, so I don't care), but their treatment of ZEROBASE1 so far is pretty much proof who WakeOne cares about more at this point. And I'm pretty sure that if ZEROBASE1 do end up getting the Kep1er treatment at some point down the line, the solo ZB1 stans are going to be pretty pissed off, especially those of Jiwoong's because Jiwoong's worked way too hard to be pushed to the side YET AGAIN.

Lion Tamer i was the only streaming You, but you'll always be famous

Tbh my personally I love wa da da and up very much it’s wa so perfect for 2022 for me but we fresh definitely didn’t like it and I tried staying with Kep1er but after I do you do I just didn’t listen to it but I did like giddy a little bit more but after there’s most recent comeback it just didn’t grab my attention or even sound like there first two comebacks

@wonderlucky1912

8 ай бұрын

Hi, I am glad you like Wa Da Da & Up! & Giddy. Highly recommend checking out Kep1er’s B-sides and more of Kep1er’s Japanese releases, they have explore different music genres especially from their recent Lovestruck and Magic Hour Albums.

I believe Dayeon could benefit from being in a 5 piece girlgroup, if Jellyfish don't make the same mistake they made with SeMiNa by putting them three in a 9 piece group that made them fade away. Bahyih also would benefit in a small number group, Xiaoting should go back to China and make her career there because the market is big and they pay more than korea. Yeseo and Mashiro are going to be added on Limelight, and i think Yujin will be focusing on acting. The others i don't know what's coming for them, but i think Dayeon, Bahyih, Xiaoting, Yeseo, Mashiro and Yujin are the ones who will be fine after Kepler.

Isnt this a commoun problem in kpop marketing? Market personas > defined music aesthetics. I am a newbie but sometimes some groups experiment a lot further then I expect like with Ive: Baddie vs am or dive. It was not what I expect from the group so it make me lose a bit of curiosity to see the next track of this era . Or with el7zup most of the program was to sell the main 4 girls talent, but barley any direction with what to expect from them musically for shooting to all sides. Versatily is great but direction and expeficity makes art stand out.

@KepiCake___HiyyihLicious

8 ай бұрын

Yes you’re definitely right but the thing that differentiates Kep1er from those groups you listed is that they have time to build up their sound and keep fans interested (actually I’m not completely sure about El7zup because aren’t they a temporary group too???). Most groups who do concept changes like IVE did (Red Velvet is the most primary example of concept switches.) are usually groups with a longer contract with the company. Typically, they have about 7+ years together, which makes it easier to establish this concept change and make fans more comfortable with the switches. With Kep1er being a temporary group for only 2.5 years (having alr passed 2 years together) and having NO creative direction in terms of concept is a huge problem for the girls because it lowers their chances of exposure when Kep1er disbands and they move on into newer groups/solo careers. If you couldn’t tell, other Mnet survival show groups had some sort of set concept, with Izone obviously being most known for their elegant and flowery type music. Kep1er has no set concept and no set sound, which can be hard to general Stans to get used to because you never know what style or song quality you’ll be getting from them.

When girls planet first started and i seen the 3 Korean spots and 3 Japanese spots and 3 Chinese spots i thought they were gonna have a group of 9 with 3 from each nationality. That would definitely be a global girl group. 😅 but hey they did what they did. Lol

Facts

The b sides are definitely so much better. Some of their title tracks are not bad, but when you have b sides that are ten times better, why not release those as singles instead😢

Kepler makes cute music, which is nice. I've liked all of their title tracks, but not enough to much more than two of them on a playlist. But honestly? I forget Kepler even exists half the time, which is a problem when you line up all of Mnet's project groups. What I'm trying to say is that Kepler could have worked if anyone on the team gave a damn. I didn’t hate Wadada, I thought it was fun. Queendom was a mistake, the girls should have been doing variety content and preparing their first comeback (but that didn't ruin their career, just set them back). I kind of feel like Kepler always came in, threw a song at us and ran away, nothing they did had a lasting impact. Someone suggested that Kepler having a storyline or "lore" would have been a really clever idea and i agree, that would have worked so well if Wakeone could have bothered. I've been thinking a lot lately that some members really might fade into obscurity without this group.

I disagree with wakeone vs off the record take. Off the record was of the labels included when wakeone was formed. I would have accepted it, if you had mention Pledis CEO, who was the producer iz*one early albums.

IOI WANNA ONE IZ*ONE X1 kep1er ZB1 The legacy factor does come into play...

As a WIZ*ONE since pre-debut everything about IZ*ONE felt like an event, it felt big, it felt important, and they always delivered. Not only top notch quality content, but a whole bunch of it too. Each comeback had at least like two b-sides with choreography and stages. Concerts with special performances, and secrets like in their japanese albums (they had secret sub-units MVS iirc), they always went the extra mile. I always looked forward for the amount of performances we'd get when a comeback was near, the comeback event were always a blast, and their group growth was strong and steady, it was always entertaining to see how they developed their dynamics and roles in the group through each comeback. Being a WIZ*ONE was an incredible experience. Kep1er on the other hand had all the freaking potential goddamit, every member could've had a unique role and dynamic in the group but they kinda just butchered everything. Everything is okay quality and doesn't look put together, it looks thrown together which is different. It's just like being constantly underwhelmed, like the teasers do a good job at teasing, never forget the Troubleshooter photoshoot with Xiaoting bangs and blue highlights Youngeun, that looked promising and what we got was We Fresh, which was just fine, not huge, not an event, not what they were building up that's for sure, and I hate to take it here but it's the same sentiment of "this is not what was building up" that I felt when they first revealed the lineup on Girls Planet and I'm sorry to say it. It's like producers saw the lineup and didn't even bother trying, it's a real shame. The girls have charms and talents but they continuosly fail to give them a place in the group whether it's in performances, in MV, or you name it. So when I'm old I'm going to remember IZ*ONE always went the extra mile and that Kep1er consistently failed to deliver.

Kepler was gunnie pig for Mnet to test the waters, if the audience is ready post produce scandal, And it succeed in doing that, so job done for Mnet

Wakeone didn’t get the lineup they wanted. Mnet really wanted Bora, Yurina, and Suyeon.

@kath4902

7 ай бұрын

And Myah.

@ONLY1JAYJAY

7 ай бұрын

@@kath4902can’t forget sunmis favorite

hope Kep1er can still stay until 2028.

Off topic, but still on a similar note, would you be willing to talk about the official Japanese spinoffs of Produce 101? Yeah, sucks that the Produce series basically died in Korea, but it's still a thing in Japan, and season 3, the girls season is actually ongoing

what legacy?

From the looks of things, while there's slow deterioration in their KR music side of things, there's mid-success in their JP music. And I agree, they can't be compared with Iz*One, as they are a group that's never been done before- a collaboration with a Jpop group and even utilizing senbatsu and Kami 7 members to participate. That's more eyes watching the show and more eyes ready on the group itself. I am patiently waiting on your Iz*One video. But to your point on Kep1er's legacy, outside of whatever the deal was with GP999, a lot of things happened weren't in their favor. Their debut date pushed later, a fractured fandom vocal about being solo stans, a debut that was not as well received, entering another survival show, the other girl groups that are making their mark now with better marketing.. Their sales and the views on their channel for their series Kep1us, show there's less and less support being given to them. Music-wise, the only one I did like of their title tracks was Up!. I wouldn't really blame it all on WakeOne, but they certainly help little to boost Kep1er's visibility.

They giving them average songs without a concept in the same year that new jeans,LE SSERAFIM,IVE,Billie,XG and NMIXX debut/have their first comeback is cruel. They sent the girls to war without weapons

Imo it's not fair to compare ANY project groups to IZ*ONE from here out. As someone who doesn't care for project groups at all, being new to kpop and having WAY too many groups on my "get to know" list I ain't got time for that. That being said I fell in love with IZ*ONEs music going back to them because I kept loving groups or solo artists that *oh hey look!* They were in IZ*ONE!! I got to know how insane all the artists that came from them are, and now going back to their music is like a pre-super group before they all exploded on the kpop scene where there are now. Though my perspective is newer and very limited, it's hard for me to believe there will ever be such a successful eruption of talent in a project group again.

@probablyeider

8 ай бұрын

I've been in kpop for almost 10 years now and in my eyes, IZ*ONE stands as one of the greatest group ever, especially from the 4th gen.

I wish they extend their contracts

@Cloudsofsand

8 ай бұрын

I thought I heard they were already in preparation to extend it.

@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia

8 ай бұрын

I'm kind of fond of an extension, but I also don't see what that would accomplish. Their sales have been on a steady decline since debut. That wouldn't be a good investment for anyone involved.

The concept topic is a bit awkward, because when IZONE had their first comeback with Violetta, my complaint was that SWING was going to use the same concept and formula over and over again and not delve into the members strengths. Of course I don't feel that way anymore, but I felt that way originally because IOI touched on HEAPS of different concepts- every comeback was substantially different to the other. Their most popular tracks, Very Very Very, What a man, Downpour and Dream girls are so different from each other. So Kep1er straying from their concept isn't the problem: The problem is that they did it aimlessly. IOI did it and focussed on the strengths of the members. WAKEONE for Kep1er tried to claim the 'summer queens' label with UP! and it didn't work. They thought they could go into girl crush and get instant clicks without realising that the girl crush concept had practically run its course. They tried Y2K2 because it became popular. WAKEONE wasn't trying new concepts to showcase the strengths of different members, because if they were, Dayeon and Hikaru would've gotten more lines and centretime in girl crush and Yeseo and Yujin would've gotten more screentime and centretime in Up!. The company was just throwing things at the wall and trying to see what was sticking while keeping the members static each comeback. That's the problem with the changing concept, not the actual change in concept itself. EDIT: I think the overall problem was just the tracks being mid. I still have SNAKE, U+ME=LOVE and Shoot! from GP999 on my playlists and listen to them regularly. I only have 5 of Kep1er's Bsides I regularly listen to. And that while U+M won the concept mission, Kep1er didn't stick to the royalty concept, and that WADADA was just a mess of different things glued together and that really upset a lot of GP999 fans too. There were just so many things in the start of Kep1er's debut, from editing to lineup to lack of vocal talent to concept betrayal to line distribution that just set them up right from day 1 of struggling, and WAKEONE made little effort to recover that.

For me kep1er is my favorite group i LOVE every song they have, but i cant understand why people hate kep1er? I think some people are yelous because they are so natural prettys and so much energy, Other people cant see the talent look ive that group have 0 talent cant dance well and only yujin have a great voice i mean that people see a juicy melón at side and the other side is a rotten melón the people choose rotten melón. They cant see the real talent. However this is not bad for the Girls because i think Big Producers are looking this Girls as a new starts the Girls have all for succes and make powerfull groups with them but the bad part is they Will be separate forver😢

Off The Récord became Wake One so it’s pretty much the same, and comparing the ratings produce 48 had more eyes on it and Girls Planet didn’t have many viral moments

@JarrodF7405

8 ай бұрын

Very true pd48 had a lot of viewers cause of adding akb48 being it was different concept. And alot of culture shock moments for the Japanese trainees and Korean trainees made some viral moments loved the show so much.

As someone who has rooted for Xiaoting since Chuang 2020, I just stopped having any expectations for Kep1er after We Fresh. I simply don't have the energy to even be disappointed