Neighbors look at me funny when I do this on the lawn tractor.

@bryandedon7459

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@kriskleitsch9173

4 жыл бұрын

You need new neighbors

@Sheza58

4 жыл бұрын

When you're braking late before turning around? 😅

@craigbielsky115

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sheza58 "trailbraking"

@xTheNameisEthan

4 жыл бұрын

They look at me even weirder when I have it at max power and I’m in full gear dragging knee off the John Deere

Observers explain in 12 minutes. Rossi: _"Didn't know why. It just felt better"_

@fishbmw

5 жыл бұрын

Translation = I fucked up the corner by carrying too much speed & was shitting myself.

@cone16v

5 жыл бұрын

@@fishbmw yep

@thedevmachine

4 жыл бұрын

hahahahahaha

@schmegmann

4 жыл бұрын

@@fishbmw old but just watched this and agree totally...he was in a slide the leg stabilized him for a splitsecond longer and there looked like small contact and i was instinctive...as a fellow dirt rider you throw a leg out in a slide to help prevent your rear wheel from sliding out from under you...also in the rider position fir dirt you usually have a berm to soak up down force that is not really mentioed...on the street you dont have that advantage.

@ToryII

4 жыл бұрын

​@@schmegmann he want to drag the boot to feel the grip of the road ? the grip tell him how much speed he can go in the turn ?

Rossi is riding dirt bikes since he was 4 years old and still passionately rides dirtbikes. My guess is that he either did it that first time instinctively and it worked, or he purposely incorporated the technique from dirtbiking.

@TheLifeontheropes

5 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say, flat track, dirt and supermoto guys do this all the time. Less common in motogp, but it’s not a new technique.

@keloryms8976

5 жыл бұрын

musashidanmcgrath that is exactly what it is it’s instinctively from riding dirt bikes

@keloryms8976

5 жыл бұрын

Yup

@LGR_LGR_LGR

5 жыл бұрын

Yes,supermoto use it alot aswell.

@richardrichard5409

5 жыл бұрын

But he didn't always dangle

Rossi been training with supermoto at his ranch in his free time and adopted this style into gp as cornering with supermoto often does this.

I do it in my car

@decilciousgraham2658

5 жыл бұрын

I'm dead😂😂

@burnerjack01

5 жыл бұрын

Because you're out of gas?

@pusanggala5974

5 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@zuestoots5176

5 жыл бұрын

That dead pedal is bitch. it loves to move

@jessepryor

5 жыл бұрын

I have a semi truck as a daily driver

Did you ever think he just wanted to *stretch the leg* 🤔🤔🤔😏

@johnnyquest4900

5 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely spot on!

@karlosh9286

5 жыл бұрын

I dangle my leg to stretch it when going straight whilst poodling along a 40 MPH . So yeah !

@johnnyquest4900

5 жыл бұрын

Bingo!!!! Spot on Thomas!

@rjonzen34

5 жыл бұрын

Johnny Quest 😂😂👏🏼👏🏼 no

@hornetxhd

5 жыл бұрын

Holly shit you just broke the matrix

I do the leg dangle every morning when getting out of bed.

@t23n7

4 жыл бұрын

Me 2

@germinik

4 жыл бұрын

Some mornings I do a full tuck just to make it to the medicine cabinet.

@deemabon314

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@luckyademola6557

4 жыл бұрын

I dangle my leg during breakfast

@amjrpain919

3 жыл бұрын

I find it reassuring to dangle a leg off the bed after a night of drinking and debauchery...

What if Rossi just had to fart. those race suits are tight and the leg lift helps probably

@ivayloivanov3744

4 жыл бұрын

farting before entering every corner? sounds about right

@MrSmith-ty4bg

4 жыл бұрын

Ivaylo Ivanov you see how fast they’re going? The river would be running brown

@theravedaddy

4 жыл бұрын

@@ivayloivanov3744 when riding the chiang mai loop after a pad kapow for breakfast i can vent my spleen on each of the 1864 corners.

@64t120r

3 жыл бұрын

That's a nice theory, but you don't see the suit inflate. Unless they have ventilated suits.

@tomekszymanski91

3 жыл бұрын

@@64t120r The real question is: how much of an advantage does this fart produce? That additional propulsion may be wery well controlled. Does the Doctor eat beans before the race to fuel his power?

Its Rossi experimenting cornering in a style used with motocross or supermoto bikes on Motogp bike to enable taking a different racing line. As free time Rossi does a lot of supermoto riding at his ranch.

Rossi has stated dangling makes no difference in his lap times. I think he did it instinctively the first time then it became habit. Michael Jordan always had his tongue sticking out when he dunked, it didn't make him jump higher, just an old habit. Enjoy your vids.

@ronanrogers4127

6 жыл бұрын

mica H ...Jordan is a noted dangler

@Kurti112

6 жыл бұрын

Probably true, I think it really is a habit, but maybe it gives some more stability while braking.

@austinsears1637

6 жыл бұрын

Haha! Arm up, tongue out!

@solomonsignet

6 жыл бұрын

mica H totally agree!

@emmanuelencarnacion8219

6 жыл бұрын

Couldn't be explained better.

I did the leg dangle going 60mph as a split second reaction to my front wheel losing traction during a tighter-than-expected corner. It saved me laying the bike down and sliding into a tree.

@brianm5753

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Helps with balance and center of gravity

@carlcampbell6827

Жыл бұрын

Inside Business - Nice maneuver bro. Are you still in one piece currently?

@Scampi95

Жыл бұрын

@@carlcampbell6827 Thanks, I am and haven't had any close calls like that since thankfully. Winters coming soon so I don't want to jinx it haha!

Only Rossi knows why,..reason is...he thougt he is going to fall so he puts his leg down.Decade later..its a sience, ha ha

@dananolan7847

5 жыл бұрын

haha, BS

@MrDylanryan

5 жыл бұрын

He got a cramp, stuck his leg out, noticed he had a better line, was like fuck ya, kept his leg out took the inside got the position. Got yelled at by his crew explained his theory and the rest is history. Her we are today trying to figure it out as in science. I don’t think Rossi was getting all technical while trying to kick ass.

@foolspeedahead

5 жыл бұрын

The leg dangle has been around for a very long time. Before Rossi. Another video explains who learned from who and traced it back to a racer from the 70’s who when asked why he started it said “I dunno?”

@patrickrowe7541

5 жыл бұрын

LOL, Exactly...it looks like an "Oh-oooh" move to me.

@baunax

5 жыл бұрын

They should call it chicken leg.

It’s just habit from Dirtbikes. They all ride Dirtbikes during the off season.

@legaltender86

5 жыл бұрын

Mattersonify correct. Rossi started it and everyone copied him. Rossi himself actually stated that he was only doing it because he was so used to doing it during the off season on dirt bikes. That’s his only reasoning that I’ve ever heard from the man himself. I’m sure it has benefits that the riders are not aware of but saw Rossi do it successfully and adopted it thinking there must be an advantage.

@that_one_guy-_-7008

5 жыл бұрын

For motocross for me, I put mine out so if I start to fall I can push myself back up

@aydict

4 жыл бұрын

@@legaltender86 SO Rossi unintentionally played mind games

@legaltender86

4 жыл бұрын

Aayush Dua not to play mind games no. Just force of habit. I’m guessing it didn’t feel uncomfortable or like it caused him a disadvantage so he just continued with it.

@norincobrocapri46

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Us dirtbikers tend to do this when we are on tarmac circuits. Its habit.

"Blocks other riders" until one comes in way to hot and takes your leg off lol

@jlostepbystep1908

6 жыл бұрын

Not gonna happen because they have similiar speed when entering corner

@miked815

6 жыл бұрын

Rata 4U lol that's funny. You make it sound like you'd be passing him going 100mph faster.... realistically you would pass 5 to 10 mph faster, no that wouldn't amputate anything. That would most likely make you both crash. C'mon, you were born with a human brain, use those critical thinking skills and intellect...

@bh8671

6 жыл бұрын

Rata 4U so good to see you know nothing about racing with that idiotic comment.

@andresparrow2971

5 жыл бұрын

I smiled at that one...like in a race Im gonna say oh no his leg is there i cant pass until he pulls it back in...tic toc tic toc-ok! w.o.t. I don't think pro racers are that polite or that timid.

@441rider

5 жыл бұрын

Your brain in most cases will decide if you hit an object a good rider would flinch before hitting a dangled leg or goose on the road at 100mph or more. Excellent blocking and uncertainty whether a bike is about to crash in front of you the far more safe and conservative racer trying to catch up no?

It allows you to reposition the pecker when you can't scratch!

#4 makes a lot of sense, as that's what Flat-trackers do. When I was learning all those years ago, I was taught NEVER do this, if you foot "catches" the road, it'll snap your shin like a chicken wing. Not everything racer does means you should do it on the street. Besides, two feet on the pegs and knees on the tank makes you more 'planted' on the bike, hence, more stable. Ride a bicycle with no hands on the bars and no feet on the pedals will illustrate this quite well. You're not Rossi. Ride like you want to live and you'll have the best chance of doing both.

@stefanomanzoni7157

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment to this video by far. I'm on-board with your line of thinking. Cheers.

@illhaveanother4365

4 жыл бұрын

Blah blah blah

@marcd7332

3 жыл бұрын

“Ride like you want to live” best motorcycle quote I’ve read

@alimertcakar1894

3 жыл бұрын

Chicken chicken chicken

@srinitaaigaura

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, almost everyone does it now.

Rossi once said in an interview: "I don't know why I do it, but I know why they do it."

@ludwigvan8266

4 жыл бұрын

WHAT interview? WHEN?? Please cite your source.

@abdo19code

4 жыл бұрын

Sourceeee

@jsr4096

4 жыл бұрын

Ludwig: 1) An interview I saw on TV 2) Probably over 10 years ago Hope that helps.

@jsr4096

4 жыл бұрын

Actually: "Rossi made an interesting comment the other day regarding the leg out thing...he said '' I don't know why i do it.....but i know why everyone else dose it''.......Classic statment !!!!" (id SPOOKY) - Aug 6 2009, forums.superbikeschool.com/topic/1206-rossi-sticking-out-his-leg-why/page/4/ I also remember someone posting it on the old CBR250.com forums, so I'm definitely not the only person who saw that interview!

@jsr4096

4 жыл бұрын

Geez it's all over the web. Ever heard of Google?

Dangling the leg will definitely increase drag substantially, just look at how small changes in aerodynamics can increase or decrease drag coefficient. It will also steer you into the corner. The other thing is that it allows your body to relax for a moment, staying in that tight crouched position for an entire race must be hard on the body (mainly the hips).

I grew up a dirt rider, flat tracking. When I first rode a street bike I did this under hard braking usually when I missed my marker and was about to go deeper than I anticipated into the corner. Your explanation is perfect. It's a number of factors, but braking leverage is the biggest.

You're a literal hero. I've been wondering why some riders do this exact thing, and why some don't, but every time I googled it, explanations for the leg touching the ground were the only thing coming up, not the leg dangle, so thank you so much for this.

4 yes. motocross + supermoto style

@Tommy-Holm

3 жыл бұрын

Why does this guy sound like you?

Doesn't most of the leg danglers practice a lot with riding flattrack? Muscle memory and just feeling more confident while sliding leads to that since flattracker do it a lot

@YamahaR12015

6 жыл бұрын

Burwarn Rossi does indeed do a ton of flat track training

@whalesong999

6 жыл бұрын

That seems a very likely explanation. I used to ride mx, scrambles, TT scrambles, and some road racing. I consider the reflex to dangle a leg a very strong influence that translates into confidence. As for mx'rs putting the foot out in front, it was largely to keep it forward to keep from getting drawn into the passing turf and ruining the intended line - probably among other senses of balance, etc.

@dangraff8467

6 жыл бұрын

The foot going forward softens the weight transfer and helps delay the weight transfer until the tire reaches maximum deflection.(search pnumatic trail and tire deflection videos) I'm sure it helps with aero braking and pulling the bike into the lean angle also! Also any time you touch the ground your brain receives alot more feed back, you know exactly how far your leaning. The lighter the bike is the more obvious this is (super moto or bicycle) kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKCB29mlf5iZhKQ.html

@airdoctor1251

6 жыл бұрын

Before I even watch they dangle the leg to stabilise and transfer more weight to the rear of the bike , hence more grip on the rear tyre during the weight transfer to the front wheel during hard braking.

@copee2960

6 жыл бұрын

Now that sounds like a proper answer.

I’ve seen a few of your videos. They’re very informative. I’m an ex-racer and I can tell you why I did the leg dangle. For me, it had to do with stabilizing the bike on corner entry. Under heavy braking going into a corner, the rear wheel gets light or comes off the ground, and it stays that way even after beginning to lean the bike into the turn. The result is that the rear wheel drifts out-of-line to the outside as the bike tips in. You called this “offset”. When the weight comes back to the rear tire again, the bike does a big shimmy as the wheels snap back into alignment. Modern bike design focuses on the centralization of mass, and this makes for quicker turning but it also decreases stability. This makes the shimmy even larger, and my leg serves to counter this instability. My extended leg acts exactly like the long pole that tightrope walkers use in that it DE-centralizes the mass for a moment. When the shimmy is over, I pull my leg back in. To the extent my outside leg is locked onto the tank, my inside leg (pole) stability is transferred to the bike and minimizes the rear wheel shimmy. This is similar to your #4 but it's about stability when the wheels pop back into alignment and not just keeping the bike upright.

@ununxium8874

3 жыл бұрын

Back wheel shimmy? F. I never experienced that. Or tank slap. Tell me more! --I sit up if braking harder than usual. Weight transfer, wind resistance, blah.

I appreciate the break down and discussion of theory. Nice video. Thanks!

Why not ask the riders?

@PvMAAD

6 жыл бұрын

Rossi already said, "it's just a habit." Lorenzo said, "we do it for front tire in hard braking." Which people have concluded to mean you put more weight on the bars. All you have to do is try it and you'll instantly see the huge amount of force you put on the front suspension.

@opmike343

6 жыл бұрын

Dangling a leg off to the side doesn't put a "huge amount of force" on the front suspension. It's barely enough to overcome stiction in the forks, if at all.

@PvMAAD

6 жыл бұрын

"barely enough to overcome stiction?" Are you dumb? Their rear wheel lifts off the ground...

@2Truth2you

6 жыл бұрын

Lorenzo doesn't do it. Or does he? Haven't noticed.

@tabuilder

6 жыл бұрын

What? Too easy!

You're the best explaining this things. Thank you very much

great explanation, thanks

Tried that on BMX as a child, got myself two months in hospital with a broken femur.

i thought it was to aid stability when the rear wheel slips

@ike8236

6 жыл бұрын

Coming from dirt bikes to road bikes it was a habit at first but found I only ended up doing it when the rear gets loose coming into a corner.

@raychang8648

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. With the leg not planted, its weight could move to stabilize if needed (kind of like a cheetah or kangaroo tail).

@ii_berzin_ii9079

6 жыл бұрын

This is the biggest reason. It provides a counter balance when the bike shifts uncomfortably under braking

@civedm

6 жыл бұрын

Amen. It's solved. When the bike is sliding around on the track from moving so fast while braking. It's to help keep the bike upright.

@evilxrogue101

6 жыл бұрын

I think he addresses this in the video when he talks about centre of mass, and how shifting the centre of mass can prevent the rear wheel sliding so much

I would add another to the list of reasons - comfort impact. Straitening the leg would have a benefit in giving some relief/rejuvenation vs being folded up.

@bhaktir2047

6 жыл бұрын

SportbikerNZ that is what I used to think

@dirkbruere

6 жыл бұрын

I used to do something similar on longish trips, but not racing. OTOH, racing bikes are fairly uncomfortable

@ancientsoul5608

6 жыл бұрын

Dirk Bruere I do the same thing on longer trips that are lacking in curves. I thought I was the only one, guess not

@VVENDINGEN

6 жыл бұрын

Was looking for this. I have damaged knees and ride with a very tight knee angle. Dangling each leg in 1-2 corners each lap stops the pain in my knees.

Excellent analysis 👍

New subscriber here, like it a lot, your channel looks professional and I learn useful stuff. Keep it going!!

There is no technical explanation - they don't do it every time or every corner. The best explanation/justification I've heard is that it helps blood circulation in the leg (otherwise restricted by the serve bend in the knee caused by riding crouch for aerodynamics); can't do it in a straight line - tucked in for aerodynamics, can't do it in corners - obvious. Only in braking is there the opportunity without disadvantage. Street riders often stretch their legs in the straight ahead because they are not going for every ounce of speed (aerodynamics).

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

"Leg-dangling"ffs! STUPID!!!! It's what you do if you are braking very hard at low speeds so if the front wheel steps out you can save it. Fucking idiots in here (look at the comments!) think it's some mysterious clever thing rather than a simple precaution.

@TheDJjems

6 жыл бұрын

Graeme SYDNEY well said... this more logical.

@lkld

6 жыл бұрын

With Vale being the oldest, this would make sense as to why he's the one to start doing it.

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry dude but that is absurd. Watch them all doing it like line dancers.

@Otakahunt

6 жыл бұрын

Its not absurd. If youve ever driven a sportbike youd know on a longer trip legs begin to feel like shit... you will want to take a break and walk around abit. And this is by driving casually... not 100% race speeds. Its still the same reason... exhausting being in an uncomfortable position. I drive a sportbike irl and when i take mere 20km trips i dangle my legs and stand up (if possible) on my bike near the end of it to stretch my legs and butt. And this is without wearing a tight racingsuit, i wear alot more comfortable outfit but is still protective. I can only imagine whats it like racing a bike in a tight suit for an entire length of a race. If your front wheel steps out theres no way to save it anyway... no point in thinking its possible.

Wayne Gardner was known to dangle from time to time, I have a poster of him doing it back in the 80’s

@area51r

5 жыл бұрын

you're the poster

Excellent video thank you!

Great info and in depth explanation buddy.

sorry mate all wrong it is coming from dirt bike racing AND IT IS FOR SLIDING

@matthewkuhl79

6 жыл бұрын

Supermoto technique, too, which Vale also does.

@danielgale4908

5 жыл бұрын

Ummm, you mean #4? He spent 5 min on that, just saying.

@jeffalessi6317

5 жыл бұрын

I think this is correct, it helps them control the rear tire when it starts breaking lose when they are backing it in before they sweep into the corner. It also helps them carry more speed in while ‘throwing it into the corner’ under passes and under the intense entrances these guys will push it to entering corners, only so much muscle upper body can help it then comes down to these little techniques that helps them hold it when manipulating the bike on that fine edge. No doubt they don’t do it the same way every lap but when it matters I would imagine they are really using everything and then some to keep them self on two wheels.

@BoSSLeVeLs

5 жыл бұрын

Crushonius exactly man 😂

@robbylebotha

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I dont know why people like complicating things. Anyone who's gone offloading with a simple mountain bike would know this. It's just simple a reflex when sliding a bike. And it's not even always necessary. I feel the same about knee sliding, I've been overtaken too many time on the road by BMW GS1200 doing serious lean angles without even putting knee out, while I'm there focusing on knee out like an idoit. Moral of the story, let your body react naturally instead of trying to copy other riders.

Have you ever rode a bicycle and went through a sharp turn? It’s only natural. Or maybe it’s not and I should be in motogp.

@LucasMillerMTB

5 жыл бұрын

It makes you feel cool... that's it lol

@AmirPomen

5 жыл бұрын

Yes.. to prepare for any unstability to happens

@mikuramsay

5 жыл бұрын

It's not normal, unless you lean forward at the same time, if helps distribute more weight on your front wheel, so you're less likely to lose traction.

@kilerscn

5 жыл бұрын

This was exactly what I was going to say, was doing this before Rossi did it whilst riding on the road, it also helps gauge speed (in real terms, not just numbers on a speedo) and road camber too.

Riktigt bra clip! Thanks for a really good analysis :)

Fun and good explained as always.

I'm no professional but by studying the videos and watching documentaries and having experience riding dirt bikes, supermoto and street/sport bikes the answer is very simple. Its number 4, the others all help out to control a slide. Why would they slide you may ask? To brake later into the corner and carry more speed! If you watch supermoto racers they all slide into corners while they have their foot out pushing the bike down because it's a fast way of doing it. Marc is infamous for sliding the rear wheel and having the leverage and foot out gives him more control of it especially considering how late he brakes into corners. Other racers do it to incase that happens because of how hard they brake using the front brake, which lifts the rear wheel and when it gets set back down might induce a slide.

@sumolover2973

6 жыл бұрын

So should I do a Leg dangle if I am doing a Kneedown on a Supermoto?

@michaeljamesburnsandroid5500

6 жыл бұрын

Lil Mango it's a moto x hangover it's where they all start racing simple.

@hrbestalkinme3690

5 жыл бұрын

Rossi trains on flat track bikes and dirtbikes. Its a habit that transferred over.

I love thishit. Presented with observation, theory, confirmation, rebuttal, speed and panache'. The internet is not broken and all future discussions are validated by its' existence. New subscriber and looking forward to new presentations.

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

"Leg-dangling"ffs! STUPID!!!! It's what you do if you are braking very hard at low speeds so if the front wheel steps out you can save it. Fucking idiots in here (look at the comments!) think it's some mysterious clever thing rather than a simple precaution.

@geoffreymentink9570

6 жыл бұрын

Yes a good explanation but not captured is that the drag factor is easily determined by measuring the different effects on top speed of being in a tuck, sitting up (as if braking), hanging off to one side (as if braking) and hanging a leg. The difference in speed is due to CdA as the power would be effectively constant.

@Pogost1ck

6 жыл бұрын

Although little thought has gone into actually analysing

@P3RSONALD3VIS3

6 жыл бұрын

The fuck is wrong with your enter button?

@mrnulliustestikleezeeastee7365

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Fantastic breakdown. Well done

I always thought it was number 4. But this is a wonderful breakdown of all the possible other reasons. Excellent content!

Rossi is also driving motocross bikes. Perhaps the leg dangling carried over to his GP driving.

@ramboog2654

6 жыл бұрын

Danilo marc also does.

@joeyflores1600

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@droceretik

6 жыл бұрын

What Baby Yaga was referring to was that you called motorcycle riding, "driving" which only applies to cars and other transport such as trucks, trains and horse drawn carriages. You also referred to MotoGP as "GP" which is a term usually associated with motor racing. Perhaps Baby Yaga was very rude and childish by nitpicking your post. I understood your post. The name "Baby Yaga" seems to fit the mentality of his/her post.

I'm an old former 2 class AMA Expert License holder (125cc motocross and 250cc Road Race, both back in the 70's, and also raced some flat track and competed in Trials competitions and Enduros)), who now rides a highly modified S1000RR...my take is that I/other top riders in the 70's learned to use that technique in motocross to help steer with the rear wheel around corners, it helped with the center of gravity...and of course in motocross if you slid too much you could use it to help stabilize by making contact with the ground, but the idea was to never let your foot touch...I had never really thought about it relating to Rossi in GP, but back when I bought my S1000RR (2012) I found it helpful (not to mention fun) to slide it into corners to help with corner placement and to get the rear (and front) tire pointed in the right direction and I noticed I was naturally dropping my inward foot just like I did as a youngster in motocross...it wasn't until later that I started researching the idea that I became aware Rossi had popularized it.

@flycbr

6 жыл бұрын

steve Fowler Question. How old are you? I just ask because as an older rider I noticed how it’s not as easy as it once was to ride anymore. I refused to get a Harley and ride to Starbucks but I honestly wonder how much longer can I be in this sport before I just can’t do it anymore. Can’t imagine life at that point! I’m 50 now and it’s getting much harder to deal with the heat, low energy, fatigue, etc. just curious.

@stevefowler1787

6 жыл бұрын

@Dave...I'm 61 and the only issue I have is my heart still thinks I have the reflexes of a 20 year old, and I do not, so it is a constant battle when I'm on my S1000RR to ride well within my limits...at 61 I certainly don't want to get off it, even at modest speeds...it's a dilemma for me that I constantly fight...as to my health, I'm good to go, I still work out at the gym 2 to 4 times a week and still run about 1 1/2 to 2 miles twice a week and still weigh about what I did in my 20's....I would suggest you consider doing some weight training and some aerobic activity (run, bike, etc.), it may improve your energy and outlook....good luck.

@cignusx-1294

6 жыл бұрын

steve fowler, sounds like very good advice to me... rock on bud!! I'm 60 myself and am very interested in giving trials a shot. I see tons of practice involved, but the fun kinda practice.

@8145dwerdna

6 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why nobody else mentioned a reference to motocross, that they just simply carried it over by habit. Since MANY, if not ALL, motoGP riders start in motocross.

Kudos 🤙✌️To Mr Mike for explaining it so beautifully in just less than 13 minutes was just an eye 👀 opening for me as a rider.... Appreciated ☺️ got to learn alot from watching it....and pasting all the techniques for my next practice sessions and so on...I am an intermediate freestylist all the way from India, West Bengal (Indo-Bhutan Border). Jaigaon... Thanks for the lessons.... keep going Good luck 🤞😃

OMG i thought i would have never heard the names. SCHWANTZ, RAINEY, GARDNER, MOMOLA etc again.. Thanks bro !!!!! You've made my day

8. A dangling leg could act as a mass dampener adding stability during corner entry.

@Cnicbr

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was told in some races I watch last year by the reportes.

@M4Hamm

6 жыл бұрын

That's what I always thought the reason for the dangle was for, too.

@monochromo3122

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I think is missed in this list of proper reasons for dangling. Your leg works like a cheetahs tail while running on higher speed. As you said the leg works like a counter force to that bike swibble what you get under hard breaking + cornering and makes the bike more stable. That makes even more sense if you think about your upper body while under hard breaking. Its stiffed up, or more than usual. Normaly your Torso and arms are loose to compensate movement of your bike. So if your upper body stiffs up, its usefull to compensate swibble with other parts of your body.

@Cruz474

6 жыл бұрын

great idea

@dangraff8467

6 жыл бұрын

The foot going forward softens the weight transfer and helps delay the weight transfer until the tire reaches maximum deflection.(search pnumatic trail and tire deflection videos) I'm sure it helps with aero braking and pulling the bike into the lean angle also! Also any time you touch the ground your brain receives alot more feed back, you know exactly how far your leaning. The lighter the bike is the more obvious this is (super moto or bicycle) kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKCB29mlf5iZhKQ.html

It's a natural reaction from dirt biking.

@minimonkaloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunyata - Nobody was sticking a knee out, either, until King Kenny took the world by storm. That YOU have never instinctively thrust the trusty outrigger into the air means nothing about the maneuver, but says loads about your personal evolution while riding.

@minimonkaloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunyata - You're talking to the wrong rider, douchette. You don't know ME from Adam- did your racing include Riverside? Ontario? Sears Point? Maybe you ran/run Willow Springs? Then STFU, hoser. Perhaps you should try the arrogant approach with Rossi? Hell, man-up and challenge HIM to a one-on-one race? I'm certain you will prevail...

@minimonkaloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunyata - You come off as arrogant, bud. My go-to with the 'holier than thou' crowd is always ad hominem. You really should call Rossi. I'd pay good money to see THAT! Poor champ getting waxed by a guy with a name that sounds like a beach snack. You win much, or just master the bragadocio? Lots of guys take one foot off after the race (or practice) to stretch back out. I haven't noticed if people favor the shifting side over the braking side- If I cramped up, it was usually a universal thing? First guy I ever noticed sticking a foot out going into a corner; while racing; was Gary Fisher at Laguna Seca the year Cal Rayburn tracked him down (and his over-heating Yamaha) on that big twin. 1971? '72? (DuHamel threw his Kawasaki away on the first lap?) Passed him going through the cork screw, of all places. But I digress. GF started taking his right leg off the peg going into, what, #10? (The RH turn before the last hair pin?) He was still in the lead. I was between the corkscrew and the LH sweeper; inside of the track, obviously spectating. I didn't have clear view of the last LHer, so I don't know what he was doing there, and everything happens so fast in the turns I was watching, there was no time for him to be sticking a leg out. I couldn't see his entry to the cork screw from where I sat, so, again, no idea how he was entering that LHer. But he kept hanging a crooked keg out going into the RHer (let's call it#10, since Google images says it is) that I could see, even after Rayburn had taken the lead. Interestingly, on the cool-down lap, Fisher kept both feet on his pegs while almost everyone else had one foot off down the short straight before #10, if not both feet. IDK if Fisher was cramping, or what, because his fade was pretty substantial. But he was consistantly taking his foot off going into #10, though still bent 90 degrees or so. My instincts are MX related, and every time I lose one end of the bike, those instincts are to unweight the inside, usually by sticking my foot out. IDK if it's self-preservation, or good technique, but, at 61, it isn't going to change (old dog, new trick). And I have not raced anything for, literally, decades. No bike now. I was very fortunate to have gotten to watch a lot of dirt track racing at Ascot. Timing is everything, and I saw Gary Scott and Kenny Roberts race Novice, then Juniors, and then off into their Expert careers. They rode differently on the dirt, and they were, style-wise, at polar opposites of the spectrum on asphalt. Scott stayed tucked-in behind his fairing, and KR was ass-crack on the edge of the seat, knee noticeably out 6-8" in the turns. While Kel Carruthers kinda stuck his knee out, his style was modest in comparison. And Roberts was the only one doing it- for awhile. But as his success on-track started to happen, so did the emulation of his style, with hilariously varying degrees of success. But, soon enough, almost all the fast guys were doing it. It's really a shame that Rayburn wasn't there. Kenny might have stuck around a little longer, had he some proper competition. I never saw Agostini race, but, judging by the pictures, he started riding more like KR once KR was in Europe. I've wasted your time with these babbling stories to make a point. Things change. Even the fastest way around a track. I've watched riding styles evolve over 50 years and many inches of travel, and someone, somewhere, is already riding some weird way that might win a World's Championship one day. The leg dangling works for Rossi, and others, and I disagree that it makes no difference; especially your point that fast lap times are the result of getting off the corner well. Fast lap times are a by-product of momentum- not so much NOW, with all the HP and the means to get that power down, but, all else being equal, he who is fastest into, through, and out of the corner is going to win. You can't sacrifice one for another. And your hard charge off can be negated by another's late braking, bike position and line. Pure lap times (like qualifying?) are the result of momentum. And there is the physics of the weight out, off-setting to the centrifical force, albeit to a minor degree. Not to mention the sail-brake that dangling leg creates, both slowing and pulling your towards the apex. So what if it is a minute difference, added all together...100ths = 10ths = seconds. Combined with a rider's psychology of just feeling better riding their way, who's to say Rossi isn't appreciably faster this way, or that. Me? You? Anyone?! Truce?

@minimonkaloyd

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunyata - Something to leave you to ponder... kzread.info/dash/bejne/lnmNp9CYltPcXZc.html

you're very informative .. thanks

Brilliant video.

I dont think you have ever ridden dirt? We stick our leg out to catch the bike if it should slide out in the corner. "Weight transfer" my arse. We just dont want to crash!

i think it might be something rossi picked up from dirt bike racing and started doing it on the tarmac from muscle memory

Just found your channel, really good thanks

Your videos are underrated Mike

Should I also do this when I am doing a kneedown own a Supermoto ???

@damon2692

6 жыл бұрын

Sumolover If you don't, you are not a real rider 🤗

According to Simon Crafar in Motovudu - Dark Art of Performance it is weight shifting with your leg to reduce how much the back wheel comes around (backing in) under heavy braking. Best explanation I've heard. Similar to No.2 & 4 here.

@Mexxx65

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment here

when i learned leg out in motorcross corners it was explained as a way to get weight forward, but that was a long time ago and im a bad student. also having seen a couple of your videos pop up, this is the one that made me sure i subscribed, i like the way you went about the discussion.

Great job splainin things!

I've been riding since the beginning of January 2021 and this past week I've found myself doing this outta habit. I didn't see anyone else do it, it's just what feels most comfortable for me when turning. I guess it's cool to know professional riders do this too, thought it was a bad habit I was developing.

@carlcampbell6827

Жыл бұрын

newwbein - Are you still in one piece after 1 1/2 year on the bike? Are you more conservative at this point?

I thought it was because the vibration at that angle jingles your dingle dangles and letting that leg hang lessens the vibration on your dingle dangles and wingle wangles, any thoughts?

Love all your Vids, I myself test the leg dangle on my sport bike and the best part is: it transfer my weight from half front (came from break) to rear (ready to turn) and this tip helps me a few kmph faster when cornering.

Excellent, I am a fan!

They dangle their legs to prepare incase the motorcycle wobbles.

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

Close but no cheese. ;)

@BadAssDownUnder101

6 жыл бұрын

no actually i believe youre really close, personally having ridden offroad my entire life i find sticking a leg out early like in gp moves the CoG slightly so that as the bike tips in there is a longer/smoother change in the CoG creating a smoother easier transition to the corner. the smoother transition means its less likely to slide and easier to grip the corner. its almost identical to just sticking a knee out, imho it is purely rider preference to how they wanna tackle the corner.

@damon2692

6 жыл бұрын

Because of the new smaller bikes with short wheelbase..

@hanktheblesseddeejay

6 жыл бұрын

Joshua Koch to me it looks pretty obvious that you put it out as a counter to the rear brake in case the back starts to come out..otherwise you wouldnt be able to correct the body weight quick enough given your setting up to lean in

@BadAssDownUnder101

6 жыл бұрын

oobopshbam81 I guess so

They use it for turn signal lel

@abelbabel8484

5 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Brilliant

Thank you so much learned lots with you

Theory #4 is what I’ve always said was the reasoning behind the leg dangle. Good video again. You brought up theories I hadn’t thought of nor heard about.

--- A mad technique. best to keep limbs onboard.

Very informative video, keep up the good work!

@88TitanCW

6 жыл бұрын

That is true. It also allow us to have the centre of gravity higher over the bike witch allow us to drive the bike down into the ruts and that allows us to accelerate a it earlier and exit the corners faster. Plus. Some of those ruts is so Gnarly that you can't have your leg below the bike. You will rip it off. Lol.

Ty sir for the video!!

great info

i started doing this naturally .ever before watching moto gp..it helps carry more speed into the corner n be stable

He had a leg cramp and now it's the new cool thing to do.

@fishbmw

5 жыл бұрын

Deffo not cool, it makes you look like a dick.

I messed around with this when running parking lot drills a week ago, felt surprisingly natural. Ran it for a session or two on-track today, it was amazing how much it affected hard braking while hanging off (in terms of physical exertion). My instructor didn't like it for some reason. But my hips feel awesome now from all the stretching.

No idea why KZread thought I wanted to watch this but it turned out to be pretty interesting. Thanks!

Rossi put his leg out because he probable anticipated an impact; if they were going to collide, he didn't want his foot under his bike, and/or he was thinking he could do a push off to prevent falling upon impact. What seems most logical about riders doing the maneuver regularly is that the rider is bringing the leg out to the side to decrease the chances of the bike rotating under heavy braking. Just like how a figure skater alters their arms and legs in a spin to vary rotational speed, so it is the case for bringing the leg out to the side. The rider can reduce shaking and twisting under heavy braking.

@ghelm8317

5 жыл бұрын

bullshit

@xouijit77

5 жыл бұрын

No one puts their leg out in anticipation of contact unless they want to end their career! Not under any circumstances should anyone do that. If your leg gets caught in a spinning wheel, or if you try to step save a fast moving bike, you could lose your limb. The rear of a bike steps out under hard breaking because of a difference in wheel spin between the front and rear wheels. You break hard on the front going into the tip in point, then let off gradually until the apex. The rear usually floats during hard front breaking, but the rear brake is also slowing the rear wheel spin, creating a difference. Any good club racer can confirm.

@juliansoto2651

5 жыл бұрын

The second hypothesis is more logical to me. This way the rider can control the side rotation by increasing the mass distribution. It is like when you are spining in a chair, if you put your legs closer to your body the rotational speed will increase, and decrease if you open your arms and legs.

what be nice to explain how Lorenzo and Zarco ride with no leg out and yet still have great speed

I been doing this technique since the 1990's on BMX bicycles a lot. It helps me keep my balance around corners at high speeds without wrecking or slowing down.

It provides muscle relaxation as it allows leg to rest in another position (dangling) before resetting back on the peg with more exact force...and gives a lateral COG variability that benefits cornering...kinda like kicking your feet out when you swing and then bringing them back to creat a force that pulls you backward on the swing

I thought Rossi's experiments showed that there was no difference in his times whether he was dangling a leg or not. A simple explanation would be collective behaviour, most racers doing it because the fast guys do it, quite like the experiment with the 5 monkeys and a ladder: www.wisdompills.com/2014/05/28/the-famous-social-experiment-5-monkeys-a-ladder/amp/

@Jajeweet

6 жыл бұрын

I've read Rossi saying that while not making actual lap time improvements, the leg dangle just "Feels right".

@YamahaR12015

6 жыл бұрын

May not make tangible lap time improvements but for some riders it gives then a little more confidence coming into the corner. I'm not nearly fast enough to test it myself but that's what I have been told

@micaKTM1290

6 жыл бұрын

+ Curve Ahead I don't disagree with the point you are making but the story you linked to was not a valid experiment. It was a 'story' made up to illustrate the point. The fable was based off a 1920's experiment whose results pointed to a similar conclusion but not as striking as the 'fable' illustrates.

@dangraff8467

6 жыл бұрын

The foot going forward softens the weight transfer and helps delay the weight transfer until the tire reaches maximum deflection.(search pnumatic trail and tire deflection videos) I'm sure it helps with aero braking and pulling the bike into the lean angle also! Also any time you touch the ground your brain receives alot more feed back, you know exactly how far your leaning. The lighter the bike is the more obvious this is (super moto or bicycle) kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKCB29mlf5iZhKQ.html

@8r1x

6 жыл бұрын

yeah,, if im too fast going into a corner, my leg comes off naturally and it gives more feedback. Kudos for the video. Keep them coming!

I think moto racers stick out a leg for the same reason hire wire walkers use a pole, for the balancing effect.

Thanks for the video! I myself think its mostly for keeping someone from coming in underneath you as you enter the turn. Keep in mind that these guys are riding pretty much at the limit so having someone go right up against you on the inside while you are managing your traction can be very unsettling. And yes, you can feel the drag in the braking zone.

always a pleasure

I do it since I think it adds more stability while driving through corners. I get a better feeling while driving corners if I dangle my leg. For me it acts like a knee pad to show you when you've reached the possible limit before loosing it. I like to do this especially in bad weather conditions such as rain or ice on the street. It just gives you that extra bit of feeling.

@Jajeweet

6 жыл бұрын

You do it while cornering?

@randallflagg3464

6 жыл бұрын

Bl4rc You mean you're scared of banking the bike lol

@johnhenrix3894

6 жыл бұрын

Bl4rc i agree. It happens naturally i guess

@Jajeweet

6 жыл бұрын

Doing it mid-corner is horrible

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

"Leg-dangling"ffs! STUPID!!!! It's what you do if you are braking very hard at low speeds so if the front wheel steps out you can save it. Fucking idiots in here think it's some mysterious clever thing rather than a simple precaution.

I know as an agressive rider myself, i catch myself doing the same thing but i never watch moto gp, and nobody i ride with does it either. I DO however have a motorcross background which is where I think I get it from. I can tell you my personal experience is that it is a confidence AND a control thing for me.. I can tell you that i do it to prevent a low side when entering hard on the brakes. After you turn in, the bike is typically set and theres little fear of low side, however you are low enough that the knee pads double as having the foot out while mid turn. I can tell you that from personal experience that i can NOT apply as much rotational torque on the bike, because i am trying to pull it down from the furthest distance over the top of the bike only. Rather than a knee in the tank, or over the seat, and the other pushing the inside peg down.. Think of it as trying to loosen a fastener by applying torque with JUST your index finger wrapped around the bolt. You can rotate it, but if you can get a grip of it, it's still difficult to turn.. Now, turn the same fastener in the same manner, but this time, also use your thumb to help push the same direction. More torque.. Almost unlimited.. So, for confidence and control while entering a turn is why i do it. Then while turning in, i rely on my knee for confidence and control. 3 points of contact during almost the entire turn.. Hope this helps any..

@TheLiddleBigChannel

6 жыл бұрын

From my own experience racing I got the distinct feeling that this is why Rossi did it back in 2005 when he got into the corner a bit too hot for that tight a line and anticipated the feeling of loosing the front, so he put his foot out to catch the front if needed.

Is it possible that it also helps put your heel on the rear bracket? It certainly helps me.

Cool! Thanks.

I always though it was just to keep the CoG at a certain point. Excellent vid!

@ludwigvan8266

4 жыл бұрын

The vid is unscientific rubbish, or pseudo-scientific rubbish! The choice is yours. Which rubbish do you prefer..

I do that on bicycles, just for more balance/stability.

@Mikael Sedlacek Great video! Just encoutered you and I'm already binging through your great content. One additional reason I spotted in your video seems to be that many riders in your examples additionally use the foot to gauge the ground. This might give them a more precise feedback on the leaning angle while sliding, allowing them to get into the counter steering more precisely.

Excellent methodology :)

#4. move the CG. I even did it on the street, usually when entering a corner way faster than I anticipated, lol.

It was Rossi’s best explanation at the time to cover up his “oooooohshiiiiiiiiit” moment. And true to form, the Valeban lemmings bought it hook, line and sinker!

Nejsem jezdec, ale tohle bylo poučné. Děkuju.

I like your research! I think most of these theories have their truths, pretty much as you rated them. After all, I think every rider takes their individual advantage from it, may it just be confidence or a special cornering technique. With increasing experience, one learns how to use certain behavior or techniques to one's own style so that at some point there is no universal explanation anymore. That's how some riders become better than others.

I do it all the time while making sharp turns to adjust the forces. It just came automatically to my style. I didn't realise it was such a big deal until this video. Lol

Not sure about your analysis. A motocross rider sticks his (her) leg out to the front, not the side, to get weight over the front wheel so that it has traction in the turn. Similarly, you have your body more vertical to get weight over the contact patch to generate grip. This is very different to a GP circuit where the tarmac allows grip, so the priority becomes controlling the CofG to keep the bike more upright.

@r.m.l2665

6 жыл бұрын

Mo Saito yeah rossi got it from when he does motocross

@Marc98338

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Same with rear break to ''set the bike up''. Rossi is one of the riders to never use his rear break.

@sumolover2973

6 жыл бұрын

Should I do a Leg angle when I am doing a kneedown on a Supermoto?

@kenunderwood8621

6 жыл бұрын

"Leg-dangling"ffs! STUPID!!!! It's what you do if you are braking very hard at low speeds so if the front wheel steps out you can save it. Fucking idiots in here (look at the comments!) think it's some mysterious clever thing rather than a simple precaution.

@GeoffGummer

6 жыл бұрын

riding position on an mx bike abd a GP bike is different, thus the different angle. I think its a stability thing and it stems from riders wanting more control in a slide, spending more time on mx bikes to get "the feeling" and instinctively sticking a leg out. i find my bike is way more stable with one leg out, when its pre corner or pulling up to the lights.

Nice job with this video.

I like how this guy breaks this down , job well done.