I dreamt about this exact conversation for 7 years.

@jellyslopefall572

3 жыл бұрын

It always scared me how she would react to the truth. This scene completely shattered my heart😥

@istoleurfaceha3527

3 жыл бұрын

I've watched this scene of Joel telling Ellie the truth several times and felt so sad for Joel every time. But this time, I fully empathized with the intense horror Ellie felt at that very moment, that she was humanity's best chance for a hopeful future, for factions to come together, to rebuild, and eventually eradicate the cordyceps. Ellie felt this terrible guilt and dread that the world remained a nightmare as a consequence for preventing her operation.

@istoleurfaceha3527

3 жыл бұрын

And yes I know about the recordings of Marlene saying the cure wouldn't work, the world is already too lost to be saved, and also how little civilisations like Jackson would be ok anyway ...but what if the Fireflies succeeded in the fabrication of a cure. Imagine the military and other factions started trusting and praising the Fireflies because of that glimmer of hope... that the world could be saved...

@doktor3196

3 жыл бұрын

@@istoleurfaceha3527 i tent to believe the deception hurt her more. Like 51:49 of being lied to by the person she loves the most vs loss of her agency.

@alphagamer9505

3 жыл бұрын

@@istoleurfaceha3527 the fireflies would keep the cure to themselves

Dont blame ellie for being mad, and dont blame joel for lying

@saidchalal9541

4 жыл бұрын

@Toxicity nice punchline😂😂😂

@ZestyLord

4 жыл бұрын

Shut the fuck up toxicity the last of us and last of us 2 is a good game go play.gta and go watch the girls in the strip club

@peterfrank3365

4 жыл бұрын

Blame it on the boogie.

@Ares99999

4 жыл бұрын

@Toxicity No he wouldn't. You're just pissed she doesn't agree with him. Because God forbid we would dare disagree with St.Joel.

@neilgaming2127

4 жыл бұрын

Couldt blame it on joel tho. Joel saw how to world treat him so cruel. He lost ppl he love. I bet he didt wana lost ellie to. U wont know this feelings. Unless u had a daughter, u will understand why joel took those decision. I had a friend whose daughter died of car crash when she was 16 years old. My friend cant get rid of her death which is sad. Eventually he adopt a step daughter. Its so hard to lose someone u love. Feels like god doing things wrong to u. But yeah we gota except it. Everybody will die in this world.

I like how Joel acted like Ellie was his actual daughter when he hugged her

@arianvillegas3295

4 жыл бұрын

She basically is by that point in the story

@TheFikri136

4 жыл бұрын

Since the first game, tho, he also hugged her after she killed that cannibal guy, he also said "baby girl" or something. It was also a great father-daughter moment.

@lamaosama9342

4 жыл бұрын

@DoomBlazer did you even play the second game?

@user-nn5dh3cs9s

3 жыл бұрын

DoomBlazer he did

@nigelborg7609

3 жыл бұрын

@@arianvillegas3295 Elie is technically Joel's second daughter

These flashback sequences are easily the best things about this game

@kyliesmith9199

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. They went back and showed some of the best flashback scenes that justify the scenes that happened in the present which I found to be quite cool. A lot of people are shitting on this game and I'm playing through the game to somewhat understand why.

@raidengoodman8754

4 жыл бұрын

Except abby’s

@rockyaoki8929

4 жыл бұрын

Probably the only thing saveable

@jhonso1326

4 жыл бұрын

I was ganna say that Lol

@tyemaddog

4 жыл бұрын

The only good thing

The ride back to Jackson was prolly pretty awkward

@ppikach64

4 жыл бұрын

I think they didn't ride beside each other. Like in part 1 where ellie and joel had that conversation in the farm house. I think silence with hurtfull feelings and thoughts

@ThePhantomKing

4 жыл бұрын

The bar scene when Joel stepped in to defend Ellie was probably the first time they talked since then.

@ppikach64

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhantomKing nah i don't think so, that would be 2 years o. O don't say that! I'm more sad now :c

@jellyslopefall572

4 жыл бұрын

I would say it was more heartbreaking than awkward. Joel probably broke down and cried when he got home the same way when he lost Sarah

@leila6528

4 жыл бұрын

JSONIC 045X damn, thats pretty sad to think about.

I cried a lot in this scene because the moment Ellie said to Joel we're done it felt like their relationship of bonding all this time just collapsed.

3:47 was the most saddest part ever is that this is the last time joel hugged ellie

@leila6528

4 жыл бұрын

and ellie didnt hug joel back

@TheNinthStorm

3 жыл бұрын

I made an original song inspired on the last of us part 2 if you want to check it out It is called "the tension between us" kzread.info/dash/bejne/eqCY2amnda64mKg.html

@user-ss2jo9hj3p

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheNinthStorm Niiceeee

@Taylinmaciasprevalcool5277

3 жыл бұрын

At least they got to hug one last time before joel died 😔

@rohinkaushal2434

3 жыл бұрын

@@Taylinmaciasprevalcool5277 nope this is two years ago and ellie didn't hug back

Notice how in the beginning of the game, Joel tells Tommy he saved Ellie. Here, he tells her he stopped them. Maybe he did regret what he did a little bit, but after watching Ellie grow up and have a life for herself, I think he fully believed he did the right thing.

@marianoyuba3736

3 жыл бұрын

I think that, in a way, Ellie defined herself by the purpose her mutation afforded her rather than by how she was as a person (no doubt out of survivor's guilt after Riley died and she didn't), so she simply can't see herself as worth saving (other than to get to the Fireflies and help make a cure) and sees Joel's actions as cheating her out of her destiny and nothing else. I think that once Ellie starts making a life for herself and starts seeing her own self worth, she starts veeeeeeeery slowly taking in Joel's point of view and understanding that she saved her because she mattered to him and that she was more than just a cure (and she had a life worth living).

@BoolyK

Жыл бұрын

He changed, and that change made him more trusting and caring and got him killed. It was his past decisions that made ellie feel her life didn't matter, and when he died her worst fears were realized - she was alone. She was alone, and every choice she ever wanted to make was robbed from her. She couldn't died with Riley, she couldn't make the vaccine, and she couldn't forgive Joel while he was alive. Masterpiece

God damn! Ellie's voice actress is amazing, I felt this in my soul.

Honestly I'm just glad Joel didn't die by being infected at some point. That would've been infinitely more tragic.

@himanshusoni8542

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck abby

@maddieck1999

3 жыл бұрын

@@himanshusoni8542 I agree with you, fuck Abby. Killing him the way SHE did was more brutal and tragic than getting infected.

@markhenley3097

3 жыл бұрын

Compared to getting ambushed/betrayed and beaten to death with a golf club?

@MustObeyTheRules

2 жыл бұрын

Now that would’ve been way better. Would’ve rather have him die by a bloater instead. But then what story would there be?

@DreadBoi504

Жыл бұрын

I mean compared to dying by getting beaten to death with a golf club at the very beginning of the game…..I think I’d rather a much better story that would lead to Joel dying towards the very end infected and at least putting up an amazing fight. That’s just me though. I honestly think that’d be much better than getting beaten to death plus spat on afterwards by a buncha nobodies at the very start of the story ( they false advertised btw).

Joel lost his daughter he's not going to lose Ellie to that love ❤️😭

whether you love or hate this game, you have to agree that the acting in this game is incredible.

I like the detail that Joel hugs her here and she doesnt, but years later when she goes to his house to mourn, he finds the same jacket and hugs it back and even smells it. 💔

The truth may set you free but it can also hurt

@LethalShot3190

4 жыл бұрын

All FACTS bro!!💯

@joshuaoh761

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought she was gonna find out the other hard way

@typorter8105

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaoh761 like what?

@joshuaoh761

3 жыл бұрын

Ty Porter Well even if Ellie did finally catch up with Abby. She’s gonna be demanding answers of why she killed Joel and what was this all about. And once she explained all the details that not only Joel took humanity’s hope, he also took her father too. I was expecting she was gonna find out the awful truth the hard way.

at first i slightly blamed ellie for how cold she acted towards but then i remembered: how would it feel to know that your life being spared, meant the rest who died and were destined to had no chance?

@theerealatm

2 жыл бұрын

And all these maniacs running around cutting people's stomachs and a vaccine could've altered all of this.

@Meeskait1992

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't have to kill her though, they could've just taken some anti-bodies. Joel made the right choice!

@lucasgimeno5127

2 жыл бұрын

there's no assurance that the vaccine ever gets created, or that it can even be mass-produced. And they most definitely do not have the means to have it supplied on a mass scale. They had no plan behind killing a 14 year old girl. Just big aspirations and a lack of morality in killing a teenager for their unrealistic goals.

@xLanzer

Жыл бұрын

@@Meeskait1992 how do you know?

@Meeskait1992

Жыл бұрын

@@xLanzer lol i saw a game theory video

I wish Naughty Dog would’ve explored more of this side of the story! So much was unsaid & not in a good way :(

@batspleenfriend

4 жыл бұрын

I'm expecting more from Joel and Ellie in DLC. I'm sure they knew people would want more of them together. I'd love to see some Joel and Tommy stuff too pre-outbreak but that's probably too much to ask for.

@nadnaps1010

3 жыл бұрын

@@batspleenfriend if a dlc comes out I hope it’s an expandalone like lost legacy.

@imrickjamesbitch6574

3 жыл бұрын

@@batspleenfriend We honestly should’ve have alternated between Tommy and Ellie. Abby should’ve been the antagonist.

@and-168

2 жыл бұрын

Naughty dog is always jumping from like 10 years or some shit so that's why they need to do that

@glossyplane542

2 жыл бұрын

That was the point, he died before he ever got to truly make amends with her

I waited to see this conversation for more than 7 years

Omg that was soo emotional moment. I didn't expect that she will cry like that she even was going to have a heart attack and even grabbed her heart. I thought that she will swear a lot

Joel: You know what? No. How about, "Hey Joel, I know it wasn't easy, but it was either him or me, thanks for saving my ass"? You got anything like that for me, Ellie? Ellie: We gotta get going. Joel: Lead the way, kiddo.

@doriangrigorie7345

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, Joel is a good man and all but this is unjustifiable. Ellie would've wanted to die to make a vaccine.

@jwood1887

3 жыл бұрын

@@doriangrigorie7345 and then what would happen, like there’s no way to spread the vaccine

@doriangrigorie7345

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwood1887 some protection is better than no protection, 10 imune people are better than 1, even 2 immune people are better than one, the cost of one life for the progress that can be made is too little to not take the chance

@schlongkong6113

3 жыл бұрын

@@doriangrigorie7345 I'm gonna just say it. The immunity makes no sense. They say the fungus mutated in Ellie. But its a fungus how can you vaccinate against a damn mushroom ?

@tylerschrand1834

3 жыл бұрын

@@schlongkong6113 antibodies. or maybe infect people with the benign form (which ellie has). ovbi if you have the benign form, then you cant get the malignant form, so it would stop people from turning into zombies

You could just hear the seriousness in her voice. "If you lie to me one more time, I'm gone. You will NEVER see me again." It was at that moment Joel realized he couldn't hide the truth any longer.

Joel’s sad face will never not make me wanna cry

"I stopped the world from getting a cure and saved you instead" " *you Did thAtT For Me?!* "

@himanshusoni8542

4 жыл бұрын

There was no certainty for cure

@ryanschmidt3913

4 жыл бұрын

This whole side of the plot seems unnecessary to me. I always got the impression from the first game that Ellie knew that Joel did something that he wasn't telling her, but that she accepted it, because she knew that he cared about her. This game basically just says that Ellie believed Joel's very bad lie.

@mbt2531

4 жыл бұрын

aggressive fun by himanshu Verma how do you know that

@lucassanchez9050

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanschmidt3913 No. She definitely never believed it, but she had no idea what the real truth was. Theres a difference between knowing that something isnt true and knowing the full truth

@ryanschmidt3913

4 жыл бұрын

@@lucassanchez9050 He told her that the Fireflies gave up, if she suspected that was a lie, then the only alternative truth could have been that they didn't give up, and Joel decided that they weren't getting a cure from Ellie for some reason. In that event, he had the best possible reason she could have expected, which was that he didn't want her to die.

are you guy's eyes dry? cuz mine's not.

@UrMom19954

4 жыл бұрын

Same😭 The voice acting is incredible. Really conveys emotion

@thedarkknight646

4 жыл бұрын

this is literally what made the first game so good and they just threw it away for some revenge plot of some irrelevant ass character that nobody cares for.

@jdennis867

4 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkknight646 agreed the best parts of the game was the flashbacks.

@kei7540

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@thedarkknight646

4 жыл бұрын

NeverLookBack the was the shit flavored icing on the moldy cake for me

I just noticed when she tells him not to touch her that her tears fall onto her sweater. While I'm not a fan of how the story turned out, the level of detail is incredible

@rohinkaushal2434

3 жыл бұрын

No she did that because she fucking hates joel at least in this scene

@claytonhawk8512

2 жыл бұрын

@@rohinkaushal2434 what?

@rohinkaushal2434

2 жыл бұрын

@@claytonhawk8512 I have no idea why i commented this lol

As much as I love the sequel, I feel like too many scenes leave way too much unsaid. Joel never told Ellie he loved her and was more or less his daughter, Abbie never told Ellie the real reason she killed Joel. Cut scenes are missing too much dialogue.

@madphantom92

4 жыл бұрын

We know the truth and they don't live in a Disney world to know everything it's a cold dark world for them. People forgot these characters live in a post apocalyptic world.

@somecommenter4256

4 жыл бұрын

don't you think ellie knows? She can figure out joel killed so many for her because he loves her. They don't need to spell it out, and give each word into their mouth. Same for abby. One can figure out why she killed joel. The fact that it was the surgeon doesn't add too much to it for ellie. All she knows is joel killed someone in the hospital dear to abby. The game didn't need to tell more to ellie

@TheNinthStorm

3 жыл бұрын

I made an original song inspired on the last of us part 2 if you want to check it out It is called "the tension between us" kzread.info/dash/bejne/eqCY2amnda64mKg.html

@SaberRexZealot

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, that’s kinda the point? Joel telling Ellie he loves her isn’t necessary when he shows it in all of his actions, and Abby doesn’t need to justify what she did to the people that murdered her friends. It’s supposed to be tragic.

@chandlerlewis3309

3 жыл бұрын

they're not missing too much. you're just upset that they don't say those things, as anyone would be. but that's perfectly acceptable writing and it's part of the tragedy of the game.

Tbh this wouldve been more emotional if this wasn't a flashback and was in the actual story

@blkeclipsel2400

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. It was kind of all over the place. I think it would've been better for me if I saw Joel throughout the first half of the game and he died slightly before mid-game. I think it would've conveyed just how final death is not to see him at all. Also I don't recall the first game showing so many flashbacks if any. We didn't see any flashbacks of his daughter Sarah or Ellie's best friend.

@marianoyuba3736

3 жыл бұрын

@@blkeclipsel2400 Yep, the only use of flashbacks as regards the original game was the Left Behind expansion. (Ellie at the mall caring for Joel after he's impaled / Ellie at the mall with Riley short before meeting Joel). The prologue with Sarah doesn't really count, it's just the story starting there and jumping about 15 years. The first one was much more straightforward and simple and focused on the relationship between Joel and Ellie progressing naturally in the span of more or less a year (which didn't mean it was any less complex). TLOU 2 didn't have an easy task, juggling two opposing protagonists and their points of view while dealing with the fallout of the first game's ending and asking you to play as Joel's killer...it's debatable whether it NEEDED to be as complicated, which worked for some and didn't for others and was quite polarizing overall, but at the very least it was pretty ambitious and didn't exactly take the easy way out. (again, a debatable statement, since many consider the story to be predictable and cliched...)

THIS IS HEARTBOKEN I FEEL BOTH OF THEIR SIDES

As soon as he hugged her made me cry so hard :(

This was such a sad moment to see Joel finally tells Ellie the truth and to see how Ellie reacts it just broke me.. but I knew Ellies reaction was gonna be like that. To be honest I feel sad for both of them but more for Ellie cause she never knew the truth and finally did and broke down 🥺💔

No matter how many times I’ve watched this scene, or the entirety of the ending, my eyes well up with tears EVERY time. These scenes were executed perfectly in all areas. Music, motion capture, acting, editing, sound editing, direction, lighting, cinematography, etc. Every bit of it. Bravo

Joel chose her over the whole world.

The performances here are fucking incredible. Oscar worthy.

@manvirshergill1739

3 жыл бұрын

Lol joke of the century that is

@rohinkaushal2434

2 жыл бұрын

@@manvirshergill1739 the writing is don’t blame the actors they did a amazing job

@ModestEG

2 жыл бұрын

@@manvirshergill1739 you're the joke lol

In the end im glad Joel told ellie the truth, it would have been worse if she found out on her own during the present

@leemcqueen500

3 жыл бұрын

I get that she was pissed off. But to say to Joel they are done is crazy.

3:43 NOTHING ELSE MATTERS 😭😭😭😭

@numericalhorror185

4 жыл бұрын

She’s not feeling it though 😔

When your father has no choice to tell the truth to your son/daughter like this, it hurts so much

This cutscene right here should've been the basis for Last Of Us 2. The story should've revolved around this major point.

@uchihaseclipse7123

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@geordiejones5618

4 жыл бұрын

See you clearly missed the whole point of the game. This IS the center of the game and why Ellie goes on her revenge rampage. She has the worst survivors guilt of all time. She was the only hope for humanity and Joel took that from her and the entire species. So when Abby kills Joel, Ellie's still distant but she still cares so there's a desire to find forgiveness for Joel over time, but then Abby takes that away from her. Both of their journeys in Seattle mirror each other and they both lose everything but Abby chooses mercy, something that Ellie can only do when she has the chance to make that choice herself. Tommy uses her survivors guilt from this moment and Joel's death to push her further. Almost every character in this game got what they deserved including Joel. To be honest Ellie should have saved them all the trouble and killed Joel as soon as he admitted the truth. She had more of a right to kill him than Abby did.

@jmm54

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Sansaricq I’m sorry but who cares about Abby, I just want her dead. The way they tried to portray the message(revenge is bad) was so ass. They should’ve not added Abby, and plus they did my Joel dirty. They truly fucked up the game.

@numericalhorror185

4 жыл бұрын

I think the crux of the game is that Ellie feels responsible for Joel’s death because it was a direct consequence of his saving her life and destroying the hope for a cure. This IS the major plot point of the game but they had to build actual gameplay and tension around it. For all the game’s faults this is not one of them

@constracted7331

4 жыл бұрын

@@geordiejones5618 Ellie does get peace in the ending. Peace with herself and her inner conflict with Joel. Ellie could have acquired her revenge. But she saw a flashback of Joel that was not his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club, and at this moment she remembered what Joel sacrificed for her and how she was willing to try to forgive Joel during this flashback. At this moment, she let go of her hate for Abby and forgave her, for to forgive Joel, she must forgive Abby. Ellie learned a very important lesson because of that. Also, in the end, Ellie's reason to hunt down Abby was not solely for revenge. It was a desperate attempt to try to "fix" her PTSD. She thought maybe by avenging Joel, she would be able to forgive him and remedy her PTSD. It was not solely for revenge in the end. Abby made a mistake by having preconceived notions of Joel. If you make that same mistake, you have missed the point of the game. As a player, the game shows you Abby's side of the story and you have to learn to forgive and forget. You play as Abby to gain a deeper insight into her character and to understand her reasons. Then, the decision is up to you. Are you willing to forgive Abby? Or will you instead want to continue this meaningless cycle of revenge? If you do not learn to forgive Abby, you have missed the point of the game. The way Abby turned on the WLF mirrors the way Joel turned on the Fireflies. Joel experienced a moral dilemma. Is he willing to let Ellie die for a chance at developing a vaccine? Or, will he save Ellie (his second daughter) and find his redemption? That happens with Abby, too. Although you have known Lev for two days, you have done extremely crazy things for him. You have overcome your fears because of him, you risked your life for him, you have saved each other’s lives, and you two have a very close bond now. It does not matter the number of days. The quality matters. So now, the WLF is going to murder Lev, a person you have a deep bond with, simply because of the fact she is a Seraphite. You have two choices. Let them cold-bloodedly murder someone you have an extremely close bond with for a superficial reason. Or, save Lev. Both options are not fully justifiable, much like Joel's dilemma in the end. Abby tries to make Isaac understand and was willing to kill herself for Lev, given how she told Isaac to shoot her. However, when Yara shoots Isaac to save Lev, the WLF immediately opens fire on Abby and Lev, giving them little choice but to fight back. Abby lost her humanity when she tortured and murdered Joel. She is looking for an opportunity to redeem herself and to reclaim her humanity, and saving Lev is perfect for that. Abby’s character follows the same character arc as Joel. Ellie has a great character arch. After Joel's death, Ellie becomes blinded by hate and the need for revenge. Throughout the game, you and Ellie see the devastating impacts her thirst for revenge has. When Ellie's bloodlust fades away and she can see what she has done (murdering a pregnant woman, ruining many lives), she collapses. She questions what lengths she is willing to go to seek her revenge. When Abby leaves Ellie and gives her a second chance, Ellie is left miserably defeated. She tries to move on and live a normal life with Dina, but she cannot. Her PTSD nags at her, her inner conflict with Joel never subsides, and Tommy's visit was the last straw. In the end, she hunts down Abby as a desperate attempt to try to fix things. Ellie is broken inside, and she thinks going after Abby will fix that. She cannot imagine Joel without seeing his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club. She is conflicted about her feelings about Joel. She is broken inside and is going after Abby to fix that. When she finally has Abby by the throat, she does not kill her. She views a flashback of Joel that is not his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club. She remembers what Joel sacrificed for her and how she was willing to try to forgive him at the end. At this moment, she lets go of her hate for Abby and realizes that to forgive Joel, she must forgive Abby. The end showcases Ellie finding inner peace and letting Joel go. As much as it does not seem like it, the game is about Ellie. But to show you the devastating impacts of Ellie's quest for revenge, you have to experience Abby's point of view. You have to sympathize with Abby, and not necessarily agree with her reasons, but understand where she is coming from. You have to be willing to forgive and forget. That is a very important test the game makes you take. Abby is trying to reclaim the humanity she lost after brutally killing Joel while Ellie is descending into that inhumanity. The challenge here to Ellie and us is to forgive Abby because she has the same emotional struggles, moral resignations, and repressed aspirations as Ellie and is dealing with that in a more human way than simply avenging her father's death because that did not help her; it only deepened her traumas. That is why after saving Yara and Lev she starts having dreams and not nightmares. Also, by the end of the game you're supposed to realize that Ellie isn't trying to avenge Joel so much for him, but more so because she regrets the way she treated him, and the fact that he dies before she ever gets the chance to properly repair that relationship. She thinks killing everyone responsible will allow her to forgive herself, but in the end, she just finds that she's slipping into darkness and throwing everything else in her life away - pushing away her relationships and putting others in danger. At what point is the cost too high? Abby as a contrast is supposed to show you that revenge is hollow and still leaves you feeling empty inside. Abby literally trashes her relationships in order to train for this revenge crusade, and she drags everyone else into it. Most of them agreed to go seek justice, but then you see the push-back and distancing that occurs after Abby crosses that line of torturing Joel. Abby saves Lev & Yara to clear her own conscious because deep down she does feel guilty - not just for killing Joel, but dragging everyone else into it and pushing people away because she was consumed by vengeance, and everything and everyone else in her life took a backseat while she pursued that goal - revenge was an obsession. She also feels guilty for the things she ends up doing with the WLF, who are a far cry from the Fireflies. The WLF were simply the closest thing to what they had in Salt Lake City with the Fireflies, a similar structure and lifestyle; the WLF are extremely xenophobic and basically end up committing genocide on the Seraphites. By comparison, the Fireflies simply resisted a corrupted military government and were laser-focused on developing a cure for the greater good. By the end, Abby is broken and everyone and everything around her besides just Lev is either destroyed or dead - she loses everything.

I remember back to the beginning of the game Joel said that Ellie wanted her immunity to mean something and then he lied saying their were dozens like her I can honestly agree that Joel made the right choice in saving her but not in lying she broke down when she heard the truth because their was a way but Joel stopped it 3 people she cared about got bit and died Riley,Tess and Sam in her mind they deserved better along with everyone else like those two that they saw with the second flashback she just wanted the world including Joel to have better but it was taken away by him so I can understand her being mad but we need to look at Joel’s case the very beginning of the outbreak his daughter died in his hands so he grew older and more sour but then he got to know Ellie and grow a bond with her he didn’t show it til the cannibals when Ellie was killing that one dude he said “it’s ok babygirl” that showed that he cared much about her and when she was close to drowning even with weapons aimed at him he didn’t care he wanted her to be saved then the hard truth about how making a cure will kill her he had no choice he lost one daughter he did not want to lose another one so in reality if Ellie could actually understand what Joel went through maybe she would get why Joel intervened and saved her so in conclusion yes she had every right but she doesn’t understand why he did it and should have thought why he did it first

@jamaljames9331

4 жыл бұрын

Afterwards she did understand, she even said it to Abby he did what he did cause he wanted to save her and couldn’t lose another daughter. I also side with people who think even though what Joel did was selfish, he might’ve also spared her life from being wasted. Everyone knows that it takes a long time to create a successful vaccine, and the Fireflies weren’t entirely saints themselves.

@Ipam6

4 жыл бұрын

jesus learn to use a fucking comma man, couldn't even finish reading this shit

@Ares99999

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamaljames9331 At least the Fireflies were trying to DO something. What good did Joel and Ellie actually DO? I find it highly hypocritical to see people seeing Abby as some sort of evil bitch. What she did was no less understandable than what he did. If HE was right, SHE was right. If HE was wrong, SHE was wrong. That's it, that's all. They both were selfish for allegedly 'good' reasons. They both felt they were 'in the right'.

@jamaljames9331

4 жыл бұрын

Ares99999 I think the whole point of this game is that no one is right or wrong. Almost everyone is basically flawed and people are just morally grey.

@GianisHamHam

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ares99999 actually if you don't know you cant make a vaccine for the fongues that made people zombie so Joel did pretty good by saving her

i wish we could see Ellie's real parents at least in one scene and how she lost them

@peiyentsai6430

3 жыл бұрын

Well we know that Anna, her mother, died shortly after Ellie was born and left her the switchblade that Ellie uses, and she also left a note for Ellie. As for her Dad, no idea XD

@evryfckinnameistaken

3 жыл бұрын

maybe in part 3...

When Ellie started to cry I felt it.

@Homophobic_racist_sexist

2 жыл бұрын

when ellie started crying I was like🗿

This conversation was everything I expected and played out the same way I thought it would as soon as part 2 was announced. Just wish the rest of the game was that way.

This scene hit hard when ellie started shedding tears you could feel what the character was going through.

Even tho I don’t like this game and it’s story this scene is probably my favorite in both last of us games due to how emotional and well done it is. It’s such a shame that these flashback scenes are the best part of the story for me

The most brutally honest moment in the history of gaming.

Why’s the frame rate so bad is it just an upload problem or is that the game running

@bloodmime

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely upload lol

This moment is exactly why I was looking forward to this game. As disappointing as the game is, all the flashback moments with Joel and Ellie (this one especially) were worth it and they paid off very well.

@coolzebra1432

4 жыл бұрын

Eh

@zaorst

4 жыл бұрын

lol disappointing, the game was better than the first by a country mile

Doesn’t matter of Ellie would’ve done it or not. Joel made the decision for her and lied about it to her, for years. I’ll never understand the fans who think this is out of character for Ellie. How would you feel if your parent or guardian made a huge choice with consequences that possibly effected the world and then they lied to you about it for years? My question is how could Ellie have any other reaction?

@leemcqueen500

3 жыл бұрын

I just thought her reaction was out of order. I get she would be pissed but to say to Joel we are done is crazy. She surely has to understand Joel's decision.

@MrBassem95

Жыл бұрын

The fireflies made the decision for her too

@AkramHossain-og8lj

Жыл бұрын

Ellie had survivors guilt and wanted her to life to have some meaning. She wanted to help cure the infection even if it meant losing her life. Joel killed a lot of people, didn't let her meet her fate and also lied to her for year. Even swearing. Ellie since the David scene started becoming cold and cynical like joel and joel became more like Ellie. This was a very natural turn of events

Also understand that the fire flies were family to Ellie for a time. That includes Marlene who we know was her parental figure during that part of her life.

@sabrinaperez7262

4 жыл бұрын

Ellie was with them for MAYBE 3 weeks at most, and Marlene likely kept her separated from the others to hide her immunity to keep her protected. Most of the Fireflies Ellie met likely died crossing the country with Marlene. They may have piled onto her survivor's guilt, but they didn't mean enough for her to bother to list them at the end of the first game.

Imagine if "Beautiful Lie [The movie version] (from Batman V Superman)" played in this scene at 3:37 accidentally.

I honestly would’ve the same thing if I’m put in the same situation as Joel.

This scenes still hurts even after completing the game 💔💔

This is one of the goty moments thia game had. Emotion, incredible acting, the conversation has weight. THIS is why the game got goty. The tlou franchise story telling is unmached.

If this would be the ending scene of the Last of Us 2 and the whole game is about Joel and Ellie starten their new lifes in Jackson, Ellie questioning Joels version of the Salt Lake City Hospital and so... 10/10 game

Good scene but felt rushed. Imagine if we had a full game of Joel and Ellie again. Ellie starts questioning what happened and at the very end of the game the truth is revealed. Having such an important moment in a 5 minute flashback doesn’t do it justice.

@ECGCblu

4 жыл бұрын

They had multiple flashbacks before this. One in particular saw Ellie begin to uncover evidence of the Fireflies’ failure, being called liars and traitors. She was clearly somewhat suspicious already, so this didn’t come completely out of nowhere. Not to mention the half hearted okay at the end of the original, showing suspicion from the very beginning

@Sefoskiii

4 жыл бұрын

You don’t need a 15 hour game to reveal something like this. Jesus...the MCU formula is seeping into the gaming world now too

@oldfool666

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sefoskiii exactly. This is the third flashback and was the perfect time to have this conversation especially after it almost spilled out earlier. It didn't need to be dragged out further. It's says a lot about children and parentage and how you begin questioning the world as you age.

@TonyG8992

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sefoskiii I agree, I loved the way Part 2 was handled. I see The Last of Us Part 2 as the Batman V Superman of gaming; very underrated. I adore this game.

@SaberRexZealot

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyG8992 not the comparison I would make but I agree that the game is good overall.

In the first game at the end where she asked him if he was telling her the truth she grabs the two fingers that Abby bites off anyone recognize that?

That was the last time they hugged

Shit still makes me cry

Anyone know what song is playing at the end?

@jellyslopefall572

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a remix of the song that played when Sarah died in part 1😢

I'm so glad the biggest cliffhanger they left us on gets brought up and resolved in flashbacks...

What Joel return in the end? I was not playing the game from few weeks because I was disheartened to hear Joels death🥺

@burnowatypl3502

4 жыл бұрын

Its a flashback sadly

When I first played I heard voices from the first game in my head

a Ashley Johnson le tiene que dar un puto oscar es la escena mas emotiva y por lo cual mejor actuada en todo el juego, lo peor de todo es que marlen tenia razon.

“Once you have a child Ellie, you tell me what you’d have done”

@dewitt5149

Жыл бұрын

was this actually a line of his

@gukeoke6312

Жыл бұрын

@@dewitt5149 No, there's no way he'd be that harsh with her in a situation like this

I wish they had mentioned that Joel had murdered those people like a manic and that Marlene was one of them. Neil said that Ellie only went with Joel cause Marlene told her and she trusted Marlene that much. Yet Ellie never asks about her at the end of the first game and never seeks her fate even in this scene and game.

I seriously wish the whole game had been up to this standard. It feels like it was written by a different team entirely.

The woman in the tape recorder sounded just like Mel.

@TheFiresloth

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was her. She was Abby's dad assistant.

Is that Mels voice! On the recording!!!

Is that abby talking on the recorder?

This part break my heart since Joel told her the truth about what happen at Salt Lake City hospital about the vaccine and then she just pushes Joel away like that when Joel tries to confort her and call her but pushes him away

this scene was like finding a diamond stuffed in a pile of shit

@evryfckinnameistaken

3 жыл бұрын

game rules, shut up lol

I trusted naughty dog for 4 years and it ended up turning bad.........

@SRLTUESDAYS

3 жыл бұрын

it ended up turning out brilliant, just not the typical happily ever after ending you probably wanted

@cytromancer1692

3 жыл бұрын

This game was meant to be realistic and depressing as possible

@rohinkaushal2434

3 жыл бұрын

@@SRLTUESDAYS oh yeah we hate it because it doesn't have a happy ending it's not about that it's happy or not it's trash

Really emotional part

Her pushing him away breaks my heart and makes me mad at stinky ellie

I wish the game left out some of the details like this truth telling scene. Like how it didn’t show what Nora said to Ellie. Instead in this scene, it’s better when Joel is just about to say it it cuts back to present time. Similarly, when Joel later says *SPOILERRR* he wouldve done it all over again if given the chance. That line should’ve been left out because we all know that. These scenes are all implicitly understood. Laying out like this kinda takes away some characters’ depth and complexity.

It wasn’t about the vaccine Abbys dad was the only one who could do the surgery plus in the recordings she said it’s a miracle if they find someone else that’s immune like Ellie. But the fireflies were wrong cuz if Joel didn’t save Ellie they would’ve executed him and that was another reason why he did it. Both sides weren’t right or wrong all u can do is understand to why every character did what they did.

TLOU 3 should be a game set in this time

I would never kill one human for every one else’s to be saved, but I would let them kill me self for every human to be saved

We need a game of Ellie and Joel at Jackson!!! Ellie is ok but I like having them as a pair teamed

@somecommenter4256

4 жыл бұрын

they didn't do shit in jackosn with each other. ellie just avoided joel in every way

@rohinkaushal2434

2 жыл бұрын

@@somecommenter4256 before joel told Ellie the truth

These flashbacks should have been the main game. It’s like Neil Druckmann was taunting at us constantly by saying “Oh was this what you wanted in the sequel? Too bad!”

Its scary how she knew he was lying the whole time

I am absolutely convinced that in the second part, the developers definitely should not have returned to the topic that Joel lied to Ellie at the end of the last part. Then everything ended in the final on a powerful note. Yes, Ellie didn't know everything. But she realized that Joel was lying and accepted his lie. The fact that this topic was returned to, the fact that Ellie suddenly wondered what had happened, the fact that she hated Joel for lying, devalues the finale of the last part. Makes it worthless. It would have been a different matter if she had accidentally found out what had happened, but she hadn't told Joel about her discovery, and their relationship wouldn't have soured because of it. And it would highlight to us how important Joel and her relationship with him is to Ellie. Like everything they've been through.

IM TRAUMATIZED

spoilers...You know what...i didn't even care that joel died in that way...i played lou1 5 years ago i didnt care for joel it was too long ago...but now after seeing flashbacks scene i understand it again how i loved joel so much...the only character that they develop soo good in this game was joel...and where is he now...died by golf club...tnx neil druckmen

@SitraSan

4 жыл бұрын

The game made you feel as pissed an hurt as Ellie felt, I'd say Neil got the reaction he intended

@eraybakar6121

4 жыл бұрын

@@SitraSan I was feeling hurt and pissed when Arthur Morgan died but I also did respect Dan Houser. Legendary ending for legendary character. This.. This is something else

@ProtagonisTeneT

4 жыл бұрын

you're an idiot and you have no brain if you think last of us part 2 was bad lmfao

@jellyslopefall572

4 жыл бұрын

I knew we were gonna lose Joel in this game, and I could understand. It would be emotional if he died taking a bullet for Ellie (like he tried to with Sarah) and then his last words to Ellie was ‘baby girl’. That would be good. But killing him 2 hours into the game in a very pathetic way is just stupid. Killing off beloved characters in the opening of a game or movie NEVER works.

I didn’t like Part II but good moments like this make the game better. Wish the game was better but I’m glad there were moments with Ellie and Joel. It makes the game a bit better

Wait is that Mel talking on the recording

@TheProtagonist2020

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know

Ellie saw the xrays and read the reports but still didn't ask about her tumor in her head...I would be like, "So, how long do I have till I die?" No medical treatment and ways of doing it in a apocalypse...

He didn't want to lose her like Sarah

I love joel...but he should have told her in the first one when he got her out of the hospital. I get that joel was scared..but he couldn't keep that lie going. Ellie deserved to know the truth, the truth will hurt but ellie needed to hear it.😥

He wasn’t going to lose another daughter

these flashbacks are so hard to watch ahahahahahahahaha-

God this scene pisses me off so much. I get that Ellie is selfless and such but you can't possibly convince me she couldn't have figured out why Joel did it. At the very least she should've been thankfull that somebody would literally turn the world upside down for her. This scene and the one at the end of the game where she says "my life would've fucking mattered" make me hate how they changed her character because that, imo, just makes her seem like a rebelious teenager brat going through a phase.

@leemcqueen500

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. You are trying to tell me she wouldn't have the same if it was Joel.

@dandy8058

2 жыл бұрын

ellie believes her life only matters because she could be a cure, she lost a lot of people who got bit and she thought the cure they would make would help other people. she knows he did it because he loves her, but that doesn't matter, her life was supposed to save a lot of people.

I don't know about you but if someone stopped a bunch of doctors from killing me with or without my knowledge I certainly wouldn't be mad at them. I would certainly contemplate the consequences of that action and be upset they didn't tell me this but the action itself is a good one.

@retardationretardation653

4 жыл бұрын

What about Marlene

@morganadays3530

4 жыл бұрын

What about Marlene? He killed her in cold blood.

@michaelnally2841

4 жыл бұрын

I think Ellie’s reaction is a mixture of shock, anger, and betrayal from Marlene and Joel. Which I understand totally especially since Joel was the closest thing she had to a father and while Joel did wanna protect her lying to her wasn’t right either.

@batspleenfriend

4 жыл бұрын

He gave her the option to back out right before they got to the hospital though and she made it clear she wanted to keep going to make everything they did (i.e. all the murder) worth it. He knew she would've chosen death. His choice is totally justifiable but so is her anger.

@pencil6965

4 жыл бұрын

i'd be pretty pissed if i realized that he not only stopped it, but KILLED the only doctor who would've been capable of making the cure... i understand joel's actions, but I empathize with Ellie's anger a lot more

How are there no comments??

@Duck360Gaming

4 жыл бұрын

because my channel isnt famous and i dont get review games which is early so i dont get views to get comments

@mrpringle9479

4 жыл бұрын

@@Duck360Gaming dont worry man just keep grinding if it wasnt for you i wouldnt have known this game even released

Top 5 voice actors of all time 1) Kevin Conroy 2) Mark Hamil 3) Troy Baker 4) Nolan North 5) Ashley Johnson

@37_tripping34

2 жыл бұрын

6. Tara Strong

I just reached this point n im like wtf this second time something in the story contradicts what was said in present day. He said she did not know he went all Friday the 13th but here u clearly hear him say yeah u were gonna die huh? Tf y tell Tommy a lie he knew he told her but yet told his bestie a lie huh

I’m hoping they try to make something out of this outcome

Theme when ellie cries and tells joel is over???

This is one of the best scenes in this game for sure, cause both characters have their reasoning and thought that they were in the right. Joel wanted to save Ellie's life and it wasn't confirmed whether a vaccine could've realistically been made from her, but at the same time he didn't let Ellie make that choice for herself and he potentially doomed humanity as a result, plus ultimately it led to his death by senselessly killing Abbe's father. Ellie is rightfully pissed off by all of this, but at the same time Joel is the reason she's still alive.

@000jimbojones000

Жыл бұрын

The Joke is Ellie made that choice already in the first game.. Because she said she would give her life for a possible vaccine.

This flashback pissed me off, because we could have had this instead of a generic revenge plot.

@22year-olddoomer24

4 жыл бұрын

@@venmen523 a shit plot with a shit ending. killed off joel for nothing. i didnt experience one positive emotion playing this except for when i would die playing as abby.

@OrrWeisbergReviews

4 жыл бұрын

@@22year-olddoomer24 Abby wasn't the bad guy. Joel killed her father and stopped a vaccine that would have saved millions. Not saying Ellie and Joel are bad, all of them could have gotten along if the outcome was slightly different, cause at the end they all have the same goal

@22year-olddoomer24

4 жыл бұрын

@@OrrWeisbergReviews I know Abby's not "bad" but the first game is falling in love with Joel and Ellie. AND NOW they kill off Joel to develop some character no one cares about. On top of having to play her for 7 hours after the fact. It's like the devs spitting in our face. "Here's the stranger that killed your beloved friend, no sit in this room with them for 10 hours". And on top of that, the dogshit ending. This game was a fucking mess. And the devs assume everyone is stupid enough to believe Joel and Tommy would be dumb enough to fall for that ambush. Joel hardly trusted anyone, it's just poor writing and pissing in the diehard fans face...... A fucking golf club...... Man survive 50+ years to die to a fucking golf club.........

@OrrWeisbergReviews

4 жыл бұрын

@@22year-olddoomer24 it was a good game

@thankyoujames7257

4 жыл бұрын

20 Year Old Doomer sounds like a toddler take.

i still dont get why he didnt tell her about all the other candidates that failed.

@ItsJunga

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah those recorders in the hospital did say there were others that were immune or exhibited some sort of mutation right? The game vaguely touches upon that, which is frustrating

@shihoblade

4 жыл бұрын

People put too much stock into that. Its made clear that even though they had failed in the past, Ellie's was the most impressive case and the chances of success were far higher.

@SteelSpurs

4 жыл бұрын

Shihoblade Was it GUARANTEED success, though? That’s the question we’re asking.

Joel didn't saved Ellie. He also saved the whole dammit world. :(

@Knightlychan

3 жыл бұрын

@Shadow Knight exactly

@rohinkaushal2434

3 жыл бұрын

Literally the opposite saved ellie but doomed the whole world

@arcturuslwowski3056

3 жыл бұрын

@@rohinkaushal2434 Imagine what Fireflies could do, if they were able to made vaccine. Jackson, Boston, Seattle... The Fireflies could be able to decide who should die and who can live.

@CalebCheek

2 жыл бұрын

A corrupt world fillled with cannibals, hunters, and backstabbers that is willing to murder a young girl just to save themselves, isn’t worth saving at all

@arcturuslwowski3056

2 жыл бұрын

@@CalebCheek That's why I'm so proud of Joel. Dad of the whole times, really!