After hearing some feedback and reading some comments, I think it's important to make an extra point or two. Notice that what I'm trying to do is bring attention to the Church's definition of detraction for the backdrop of anything else we say about fighting corruption in the Church (which we should do btw). Detraction is undeniably a sin and this is explicitly taught in Church teaching. We can't pretend to be faithful Catholics while also saying that the ends justify the means (detraction is fine if it exposes the bad guys). Again, detraction is *unjust* revelation of the sins of others, often with an intent to damage their reputation. Quite a few people have pointed out that in some cases, there was no private intervention possible and no willingness on the part of the corrupt to repent (McCarrick for example). Very true. In the video, I tried to be clear that there was likely times in which CM's reporting on scandals *was* justified. But I don't believe it *always* was. Further, it's quite clear from, at least Voris' commentaries, that they were not offered in a spirit of charity towards those he was exposing. We still have to love our enemies. But the indignation, the mean-spiritedness, the ridicule, & the consistent tone of mocking condemnation all strongly implied that charity was lost in the frenzy and thrill of the condemnation. And when you define a publishing routine on the grounds of exposing the sins of others (again the tagline of the Vortex) you will create an appetite for scandal that will become so relentless, that you will inevitably fall prey to the temptation of detraction. If we aren't convinced by the shear hypocrisy here, how can we avoid it given that we now know that Voris was guilty of the *exact* thing he fixated his attention on in condemning others. He has been the exemplar of the very thing some of you thank him for exposing in others but refused to expose in himself. While denouncing McCarrick, he was off doing that very thing, according to some of his accusers. If exposing the corruption of the Church was his mission, he should have started with himself and the fact he was unwilling to *proves*, unequivocally, that this was not his main goal. Whatever his motive, it was not about exposing homosexual corruption in the Church. That motive took a back seat to his own gain/loss until he couldn't keep it secret any more. You couldn't script a better example of judging others while there is a log in your own eye. Jesus has a gentle way with sinners who fall short out of weakness, but he has very little reassurance for those engaging in hypocrisy. One last point about Catholic journalism as some have pointed out that the Church encourages reporting of information. A few distinctions. When recent teachings discuss this, they refer to "Catholic journalism" - that is outlets that are legitimately able to carry the name Catholic. CM was explicitly denied this priviledge by the Church which is why they had to change their name from "Real Catholic TV" to "Church Militant". They were and are not a legitimately recognized Catholic publication, so it's quite difficult to claim that sympathetic statements by the magisterium apply to them. Further, the idea that this means we can report anything we want is quite explicitly contrary to Church teaching. Even the idea of a free press is clearly condemned, magisterially. Leo XIII's encyclical _Libertas_ says: "We must now consider briefly liberty of speech, and liberty of the press. It is hardly necessary to say that there can be no such right as this, if it be not used in moderation, and if it pass beyond the bounds and end of all true liberty. For right is a moral power which - as We have before said and must again and again repeat - it is absurd to suppose that nature has accorded indifferently to truth and falsehood, to justice and injustice." He goes on to say that undue attention on moral vices are a danger to the soul of the faithful and should be moderated or suppressed. But this was the exclusive subject matter of the Vortex - the vices of others.

@ContraMundumDG

5 ай бұрын

None of what you've written here operates as a legitimate defense to your erroneous video. First of all, even unofficially Catholic publications are commended by the Church and allowed to exist and report on matters: "The proliferation of web sites calling themselves Catholic creates a problem of a different sort. As we have said, church-related groups should be creatively present on the Internet; and well-motivated, well-informed individuals and ***unofficial groups acting on their own initiative are entitled to be there as well.***" So you make a distinction without a difference here: "They [CM] were and are not a legitimately recognized Catholic publication, so it's quite difficult to claim that sympathetic statements by the magisterium apply to them." Reporting on moral vices, particularly those of public men, is an important duty, one that fully comports with Catholic moral theology. It has been praised specifically by Pope Francis: "I also thank you for what you tell us about what goes wrong in the Church, for helping us not to sweep it under the carpet, and for the voice you have given to the victims of abuse: thank you for this." Moreover, reporting on problems is commended by the Church in Communio et Progressio: "The news of something that has happened must be given and so too must the background of the event so that people can understand society's problems and work for their solution."

@ContraMundumDG

5 ай бұрын

Additionally, Voris wasn't always living a double life. Many years he was apparently living in good conscience while doing the Vortex, which undermines this rash judgment you posit: "If exposing the corruption of the Church was his mission, he should have started with himself and the fact he was unwilling to *proves*, unequivocally, that this was not his main goal." There's so much wrong with your pinned statement I can't even cover it here. This is why you shouldn't wade into issues you don't know about.

@tomthx5804

5 ай бұрын

The idea of a free press is NOT condemned by Leo. Your quote even notes this. He condemns it if not used in moderation. Perhaps that is what you really meant and were writing quickly.

@christopherkennedy942

5 ай бұрын

straw man. He wasn’t saying negative reporting is wrong, but the virulent way MV did it, long before he fell off the wagon. He is actually echoing much of your own criticisms in your expose. If that was wrong, then your expose was wrong. But I do think supporters had a right to know why MV was fired, as he was such a problematic public figure of a public organization. His disorder explains why he turned CM into witch hunt journalism. Which you and BH both agree about.

@docverit2668

5 ай бұрын

@@ContraMundumDG I believe your assessment of Brian's video and this follow-up post by you is erroneous or at least lacking in many respects. I do not have the time at present, but I should have more time in a day or so to go into more detail if warranted. For now just a few comments on the statements and quotations you set forth in the second half of your post. In sum, they bypass important elements and also mischaracterize what Brian actually presents in his video, thereby resulting in setting up a straw man argument for you to knock down unjustly. Next, your declaration that the revealing of some private faults of public men is a duty that "comports with Catholic moral theology" does not appear to be supported by any actual Church teaching. However, if you can provide a Specific reference from the Catechism or other official Catholic teaching document regarding the alleged duty to report the private vices of public men, I will be happy to consider it. Lastly for now, note that what Pope Francis states in your reference to him appears to involve the acceptability/duty to report (always prudently) a private sin to the extent that it is absolutely necessary to protect a person from serious harm and also protect the common good...and no more. Merely claiming that such is absolutely necessary and protects the common good is insufficient. It must be shown how the revelation is essential and the only way for justice to be done. Otherwise, it will be detraction if the information wrongly revealed is truthful.

I am so grateful to Michael Voris. He s helped so many become stronger Catholics. We have a man down. He is a solid theologian. The One True Faith and His Talks were excellent. Ive been praying 3 Rosaries per day since he left. Keep praying

@lydiaontario8088

Ай бұрын

❤

Pray for Michael Voris

@hanshomesteading1276

16 күн бұрын

there is good and bad in all of us.

We pray for Michael Voris🙏

@albertito77

5 ай бұрын

🙏

@ImTiredOfThisChurch

5 ай бұрын

He’s facing God’s wrath

@ImTiredOfThisChurch

5 ай бұрын

@@jeddej7884 with great exposition great humiliation. He obviously needs repentance along all those ill-advised who follow him. And do penance and stop donating to these homoserwal organizations

@rosemariekury9186

5 ай бұрын

But some of the hierarchy like McCarrick will be judged far more harshly than Michael.

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

Repentance is not all. There is psychopathology here too. @@ImTiredOfThisChurch

While a lot of people were evangelizing the Good News of the Faith --- CM was providing us with warnings of what the current church had become, so that we can avoid them That's why I still would like to appreciate & thank Micheal and CM because they opened our eyes to the large scale scandals. There were traps that I would have fallen into without their warnings. There was a need for the sins of people who were using the church to be exposed, and you can't do it without the right resources or reputation that CM had

@MarkKBorders

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the homosexual cabal within the priesthood is now off the leash.

@numealinesimpetar1

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, some of Voris' work was purest scandal-mongering that approached calumny. I have a close family member who was in a religious institution that was attacked, and the comments made were outrageously unfair.

@AnneEloiseOfCNY

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Satan is able to now divide us in yet another way: what we think about CM and Michael Vóris.

@mcdennisappau3867

5 ай бұрын

Same here. We're better off knowing the truth than to be totally oblivious of malicious people. My faith in God and in the church grew when I learnt about all these things happening in the church, I am not saying I was not shocked, but, I understood that the devil was working hard to corrupt the church from within - I don't see that happening in other Christian faiths as much as the Catholic My only reservation is that perhaps they could have toned down on the harshness a bit.

@roxannearmstrong1219

5 ай бұрын

Great video. I ended up dropping most, if not all but a select couple Catholic media outlets. I realized, that although well intended...they, also human, need 'clicks'...and that if I was truly to live my faith and want better for my Catholic brothers and sisters and Our Beautiful Holy Church...the best way to holiness was to learn, pray, reflect, and teach in my own house/family.🙏🌹 That, is exactly how we change the culture. It may not look like much, but it is everything.

Pray for Michael Voris. Over the last several years he and CM were very instrumental in strengthening my Catholic Faith.

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

A lot of blessings come from wicked people, places and things. God is bigger and He knew, knows and will always know that. take the blessings and run. Pray, fast, give thanks and let it be a reminder that people don't just change with a conversation. Recovery and therapy are essential too. It's not either or, but and.

@RomanCatholicLayman

5 ай бұрын

Yes, pray for him. Im glad to hear your faith was strengthened, I experienced the exact opposite. God Bless

@veritasmuy2407

4 ай бұрын

@@Jennifer-gr7hn YOU: A lot of blessings come from wicked people, places and things. *ME: You mean like all the blessings we receive from the wicked homosexual church priests/bishops/cardinals -- that now say GOD's Church can bless the SIN of homosexual unions ??* Can fresh water flow from a spout of salt water ?

@Jennifer-gr7hn

4 ай бұрын

Oh dear, you're not thinking deep enough, "may" shallow :( Let me explain. First I will affirm that I am against the evil in our Church, and state, okay? Unlike most who just sit around and post/comment about it, my hands have been I the dirty work for decades, in the 'trenches' fighting abortion, contraception, euthanasia, pornography, IVF and the blocking of true health care to the people. So, are you engaged in anything like that because the Church is DEAD...SILENT (due to most of their clergy involved in perversion and culture of life? I have been, am, and continue to be). To elaborate, since it's obvious by your sarcastic comment with "YOU:..... ME:...." Humble yourself, young one. Elaboration that is not deserved but for any other who thinks on the surface: I died in 2020 -had a lot of wicked things happen to me in my life, and that topped the cake as it was an attempt to kill me. I experienced a lot of negligence and abandonment, abuse in many forms and many ways..that with out them, I'd not have had to get some of the help I have gotten if not for the WICKEDNESS, which were THE triggers/pivot points to make some major necessary changes, AND be sensitive, empathetic and helpful to thousands of patients and families. I did NOT wickness IS a blessing. Read, process, consider.....that blessings can COME FROM them if we see them that way, if we take lessons and run, if we let things better us, help others, etc? I hope that helps, but it may not. One day, perhaps. And well, your example is laughable, kindly. "Fresh water" IS salt water hahaha :) You may have wanted to say "can't get salt water from infectious diarrhea?" @@veritasmuy2407

@P4yn3

2 ай бұрын

voris riding the hershey highway

8 years ago, Michael and CM were a huge part of my reversion then slowly I noticed that they were moving into a direction that was not good for a reverting catholic to be around.

@PattiS3

5 ай бұрын

Same thing happened with me around the time they moved into the new studio.

@Electric_

5 ай бұрын

Same. Around 8 years ago their content helped me come back to the Church, but I had to unsubscribe to them because their content started not to sit right with me. I also really disliked how their spat with RTF Media went down, it was extremely uncharitable to say the least.

@Mosesblah

5 ай бұрын

I used to love Church Militant, I was a premium subscriber at one point. I just got tired of the constant negativity and scandal posting.

@LauFiu

5 ай бұрын

One thing is for sure, there was good fruit being produced from this particular vine and we who can attest must now pray that the pruning and grafting that is taking place can once again restore that good fruit 🙏

@LauFiu

5 ай бұрын

@@sultanwhomever4911 He has become the very wolf he was warning about my friend, it is quite clear now that he was engaging in the very homosexual acts that he was condemning. maybe this is a call for you to be the example that Michael was failing to be.🙏

Michael Voris with Real Catholic TV and continued on to Church Militant, helped me greatly in learning about the faith and a huge part of why i am still Catholic is because of him.

@Pacdoc-oz

2 ай бұрын

never looked to the bible, eh?

Praying for Michael Voris. We are all sinners and if we want forgiveness than we must give forgiveness. ✝️🙏

@TheNemkris

4 ай бұрын

Now comment this under every Hitler and Stalin video too.

The man needs prayer... we all do

I would never know the deep corruption in our beloved church had it not been for CM and Voris, for that im thankful

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

Amen, ignorance is not bliss, the 2019 Pennsylvania report vindicated CM, I was turned off by some of his more relentless bashing of the SSPX, I think he crossed the line and made enemies instead of friends.

@JJ-zr6fu

4 ай бұрын

Was it corruption or rumor mill spread by the muckrakers of church militant.

@juleske5708

4 ай бұрын

I’m grateful for Michael Voris shedding all of the corruption and bringing it to the light… it’s important to stay informed about what’s going on in the church scandals or no scandals - he did not create the scandals and he informed us I’m grateful for Michael Voris and church militant so thank you to them and will keep him in my prayers🙏✝️✝️✝️🕊

@RickW-HGWT

4 ай бұрын

@@juleske5708 But will you support them financially ? they betrayed our trust and that is not to be overlooked . I am grateful they exposed the scandals , but they made enemies when they could have made friends , I lay this at the feet of MV and his hubris , we need a watchdog for the hierarchy and he has destroyed it along with his previous good work. Have you gotten any of the desperate robocalls and emails ? they are desperate for a reason.

@jimmyhat3438

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely evil

0:23 Well said. I will go "read a book or move on". Thank you for caring for my soul.

Spot on! Many years ago, CM also played a big part in my reversion. With time, it became unwatchable. It resembled a tabloid more than any other "news" media. Seeing these "truth" videos from its former members makes me cringe. One even was asking for "donations" because he quit. Unbelievable.

@tanishalavri3278

5 ай бұрын

As a traditional catholic, shouldn't he be looking for a job anywhere, even if that means carrying heavy boxes all day? Didn't traditional men work 12 hours, 6 days a week? They love the aesthetic of traditional masculinity, but are too weak to practice the virtues that come with it. Most of them sound really effeminate to me.

@joan8862

5 ай бұрын

@tanishalavri3278 how does being a traditional Catholic equate to working 12 hours day 6 days a week?

@tanishalavri3278

5 ай бұрын

@@joan8862 it equates to it the same way being a traditional woman equates to being a stay at home wife and mother of 8. You can't pick and choose what's comfortable to you while calling other people modernists. No traditional man would ask for strangers' donations instead of working overtime to provide for his family. That's my point. They claim they want to go back to the way men in the past were, right? This is the perfect occasion to prove it.

@joan8862

5 ай бұрын

@tanishalavri3278 being a so-called traditional Catholic is about being a faithful Catholic to the authentic Catholic faith, it's not about living life in the past. It's about rejecting the things of the world that are contrary to Christ and embracing those things that are not.

@tanishalavri3278

5 ай бұрын

@@joan8862 exactly, i agree with you. And that was also the point i was making. That's why i said they adopt the "aesthetic" of traditional catholicism while calling everyone else a modernist. But when tough times appear, they refuse to conform to that same standard by which they judged others.

“Revelations have been revealed…” 😂 Love that little real moment in an otherwise heavy video. Keep up the good work, BH. Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception, pray for us!

@dalelerette206

5 ай бұрын

Amen. Truth divorced from charity is not Christian -- when we act this way we are no different from the people who we were warned against in 1 Corinthians 13.

@frankmcgowan9457

5 ай бұрын

​@@dalelerette206 Neither is allowing the predators to continue to hunt the innocent without interference. Let's not judge Michael too harshly, either.

@dalelerette206

5 ай бұрын

@@frankmcgowan9457 Amen and good point. My personal criticism against Michael is that he appears to delight too much in exposing evil. I can judge no one without simultaneously judging myself because I sometimes do the same. We would all like to be as perfect as the Mother of God is. But we all fall short of her innocence. Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee! Happy feast of the Immaculate Conception!

When addressing a Deacon/Priest/Bishop etc on scandalous behavior: After "gently" addressing them1 on 1 - no change. Then you bring multiple Elder's to and there is no change. Your group privately addresses the concern with the next level of authority - no change. When, EXACTLY is it ok to bring the matter to the public? At what point is our unwillingness to bring things public, make us complicit of what Jesus warned us in Matthew 18:6?

@JMM0111

5 ай бұрын

Good point. However, no priest/deacon/bishop is going to meet privately with any reporter on this topic. Please read my own comment posted beneath yours. Those involved have all been covering for one another for decades. That method wouldn’t work.

@anthonyhulse1248

5 ай бұрын

@@JMM0111”they’ve all”: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

@joan8862

5 ай бұрын

@@sultanwhomever4911 Huh?

The problem is, that Voris would legitimately expose massive sins (and sometimes great evil) on the part of Bishops, priests, etc. It was vital that clerics who had been getting away with massive sin be outed and exposed. But that was only 50 percent of the time. The other 50 percent of the time, Voris went after relatively small fry, who may or may not have done something wrong, sometimes the supposed sin was not very important. But if you were the devil, that is exactly how you would want things to be. Make everything as confusing as possible, to get people to praise the 50 percent that was legit, and get people to hound the poor innocents that were slammed by Church Militant the other 50 percent of the time. Your dinner party example is not valid. In that situation, its all a private matter. When Bishops and priests are lying to people, having secret lives on the side, stealing money and buying condos in florida that contain sex machines, then it becomes a public matter because their sins must be exposed to protect the community from their lies and keep them from fleecing innocent trusting people.

@brendamyc3173

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, the dinner party example is a different situation entirely. If a person at a dinner party gets maliciously and vehemently angry at innocent light hearted discussion, it shows that they have focused and trained their mind too much to create an argument to dismantle an opponent and are therefore uninterested in or incapable of the type of mindset required to be friends. The conversations required to build and maintain meaningful friendships calls for an exchange of dialogue based on patience, forgiveness, understanding, and a desire to genuinely know the heart of the other person. This is what brings joy to the friendship relationship and makes it worth having. It requires asking questions and allowing for growth and trust without using the information to character assassinate the person.

@Pacdoc-oz

2 ай бұрын

It was never necessary nor good.

Brian, your charity and reason are both to be highly commended. Thank you!

God bless Michael 🙏⛪🗝️🗝️ he needs our prayers 🙏

Many times Jesus stood across from Jewish leaders and with no uncertain terms called them out! Many of the saints did this too. Michael served the church by exposing a lot of nonsense. Let us Pray for Michael! He is human.

@racheljames7

5 ай бұрын

He also whipped up alot of hysteria and told lies and avvusednothers of the sins he was secretly commiting himself. He did do good, but I think it went to his head and he went after innocent people and blackpilled us.

@danmccabe8582

5 ай бұрын

@@racheljames7 yes, after he went after Patrick Coffin I was turned off a bit by him.

@Pacdoc-oz

2 ай бұрын

Our Lord did it to their faces - one on one - He was sinless.

@johnpglackin345

2 ай бұрын

​@@Pacdoc-ozMost priests and bishops do not allow to have time with them.

I didn't watch Church Militant myself, I had a run in with Simon Rafe many years ago, and he revealed his true uncharitable character, to which Voris would do nothing about. Still, it is not unreasonable to admonish someone publically for public sins that deface the Body of Christ. The truth is the truth and Christ commands that we reprove someone in their sin, if it is a public sin then the reproving is to be public, if it is a private sin then the reproving can be private as charity may dictate based on the severity of the sin. Eph 5:11-13 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret; 13 but when anything is exposed by the light it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. 1 Cor 5 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; 10 not at all meaning the immoral[e] of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber-not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.” For public sins, there is no expectation of privacy. Saint Paul condemned, by letter, a man and his mother for their publically known sin of incest. He didn't know them, he didn't say go speak to them and gently admonish them. He told the Church to remove them from the community. Primarily to remove any dark influences they may have on the Christian community as their sin was public. The secondary concern was to push them toward repentance and a return to Christ. 1 Cor 5 1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. We should just remember that Church Militant did a service to the Church and the Christian community, a service that many in the Body of Christ do not have the stomach for, but is nonetheless a necessary aspect of managing the faith of the community, and we shouldn't let a single morally fallible man take away from the truth of that fact.

@JMM0111

5 ай бұрын

I had a similar experience with SR. Totally uncharitable and rude. MV did nothing about it. They covered for each other. I can’t understand how SR didn’t get fired along with so many others recently.

@Pacdoc-oz

2 ай бұрын

What about publishing YOUR worst sin right now, right here with your true name. Hypocrite

It is a Blessing to Never Judge those who Sin A Different Way. Prayers for Michael.

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

It is also a blessing to pray for people in addition to Michael. And while we are not to "judge," if you are at the poverty line (or not), and donating to what you come to learn is more than just "sin"...it's a lifestyle of blatant lies and the passion to speak out about what you are actively doing.....it would be like me, nurse instructor of NFP and chastity, going for IVF because "I want" a baby and I'm not married. BIG difference when you are leading, guiding, and ...know better. It's bigger and deeper than that and people need to know what to do with it and how...it's not enough to be lazy and say "pray, and don't judge." Cop out.

@TheNemkris

4 ай бұрын

Having a functioning brain is also a blessing. One which Michael Vorris followers never had-

To see child pornography is criminal matter.Also seual abuse in seminary schooling.is something that needs to come out. Also financial malfeasance in the churches in Rome.

@sarahm9723

5 ай бұрын

And children's public schools everywhere have transgendered teachers and librarians, leftist teachers and librarians, porn books, classes on how to change one's gender, everything to groom children with.

Hi Brian I have been watching CM for about 1-2 years. I am feeling very saddened for the good people that work there. I was always impressed with the reporting of Christine Niles, her program Forward Boldly superb. I have recently seen criticisms of her too by some channel owners with glee over the recent happenings. Not one of us is without flaws . CM is now surrounded by channel owners taking advantage of the outing of its founder to pounce and detract on other employees. It is truly toxic! We should all pray for the staff, who are enduring uncertainty many surely devout and were attending to the daily prayer and masses offered in the chapel . Let us pray for Voris who started St. Michael because of love of the Lord. There is a lesson for us here to keep our eyes and hearts fixed on Christ . I hope this apostolate will survive.

@cjb8010

5 ай бұрын

Best comment of the day.

@charmainecortisfidalgoocds6622

5 ай бұрын

Niles' reporting was only 'superb' when it benefitted her. I'm extremely sorry for Voris. But I still question why Niles exposed him NOW when she had known reality all along? That is what's toxic AND spiteful of Niles.

@racheljames7

5 ай бұрын

​​​@charmainecortisfidalgoocds6622 I agree. Niles has always been a hard faced cow. There's no way she didn't know. She's only "exposing" him now to save her own skin. He's a sinner. She's a snake.

@newtexan1

Ай бұрын

@@charmainecortisfidalgoocds6622that’s not a fair comment

Well, as that great holy man, Friedrich Nietzsche, said, "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

@BrianHoldsworth

5 ай бұрын

LOL. I would say it does more than gaze back at you. Our spiritual enemies are not passive in their assaults.

@brandywineblue

5 ай бұрын

I hope your tongue is planted firmly in cheek. Holy man, really!!!

We forgive, and judge not lest we be judged

I was obsessed with Church Militant and Taylor Marshall for a time. I found that they were a bad influence, testing my faith at times even. I was freed from the Vortex when I finally witnessed them twist an innocent event _I personally attended_ into a scandal. It was a federal election debate hosted in Toronto, where the Cardinal here (an incredible and faithful leader) had all the parties (in Canada we have many parties) to come answer to a Catholic audience on questions that Catholics want to know. I loved it and it was a fantastic idea. We got to finally see where each party platform aligns and diverts from the Catholic faith. I mean isn’t that a genius idea to help Catholics have more political say? But then, some time later, I saw it on the Vortex being spun as the Cardinal giving a platform to anti-Catholics to confuse people. What a shame! I was so shocked and i never watched Church Militant again. I think you’re dead-on Brian. There’s no way that every week sees a new scandal. Marshall is a story for another time.

@racheljames7

5 ай бұрын

That's what I've learned. CM wwre throwing stones in glass houses. They accused others of corruption and sin whilst being mired in it themselves. I don't think TM is corrupt. I think he's a good man. He's just a little too negative sometimes.

@FeducciaFamily

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for that. Commenters are saying they are grateful for CM and MV because of what they exposed. That’s a huge assumption. It’s assuming that their reporting was true. I don’t need a muckraker to let me know that the Church has grave sinners. Those who gobbled up their salacious content, I fear the Lord’s words to the Pharisees, “Making their followers twice as fit for hell”.

@commscompany1502

5 ай бұрын

As a Canadian Catholic, I wholeheartedly agree with your take. I too cut them off some years ago when I read original documents that they had misinterpreted. Will keep praying for both

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

Yes -- they are true. One was from my very parish. Polish and Colombian priest "dating," spooning and kissing on a couch cuddling. I saw it on FB, as I was friends with this priest. @@FeducciaFamily

@Stabu

5 ай бұрын

I'd love to hear your take on Taylor Marshall. He's at least obsessed with Vatican II (as are many other trad Catholics).

Hi Brian! Thanks for the comments. You make some good points. The detraction by many Catholic commentators and celebrities has caused so much division. Unfortunately, I see less and less content and more and more detraction on many Catholic platforms. We only have so much time in a day to pray, spend time with our families, work, and grow in holiness. We need to stop "doom scrolling" and use our time wisely!

I don't know who Michael is or what the scandal was about, but this video is a good reminder to generally avoid the junk food that is most of modern media. This video was food for the soul. Thank you!

Im thankful of CM/ MV for exposing bad cardinals, preists and bishops- that are suppose to lead people to heaven.

@racheljames7

5 ай бұрын

I was thankful for that too but it turns out they slandered alot of good men. What was true and what wasn't? They've mixed the truth with lies. The devil does that too.

"So you're gonna go and find supposed deceptions and sins of other people and then expose them for the public's curiosity..." How do you feel about investigative journalism then? Is it being done merely to titillate the public?

Voris special on the collapse of the Quebec. Church answered “the why” that Quebecers Had no answer for this decades old question . It was brilliant and a warning to the American Church.

I admit to getting caught up in the videos being put out by The Vortex a few years ago. Eventually, I quit watching, because something just seemed off about Michael Voris’ level of anger. (I suppose that was self hatred being played out in front of us all.) You are correct about the sin of detraction. The tricky part is that some of these things truly DID need to be exposed, because the proper Church authorities had been covering them up to for years and years, which resulted in unspeakable abuse of innocent children, teens, and even adults. There are dozens of examples of known abusers being moved from parish to parish, and some of these things happened quite recently-not 20, 30 or 40 years ago. That is the saddest part of this whole thing, that those in positions of authority in the Church failed to protect the flock, and rather protected themselves. The McCarrick story alone is enough to make it clear that many of our shepherds were (and perhaps still are) wolves in sheep’s clothing, or at best cowards.

All celebrity Catholics should pray the Litany of Humility and keep a strong prayer life lest he or she should fall into the clutches of the Evil spirits.

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

Amen I would add the rosary, confession and adoration, best way I know how to start my week.

If anyone asks how you can remain a Catholic with all the scandals, ask them if they have given up their support of Hollywood due to worse scandals.

Absolutely wonderful commentary commentary Brian.. Gossip doesn't cease to be gossip just because it's true. Our duty to the Body of Christ always lies in front of us, not in the ether.

Its not fair to get into the Voris/CM bashing if someone had only seen few of their videos and remembering only the really harsh things Voris had said (which is many). Watching Church Militant over the years and I still do, I find Voris to the most blunt. He lets you choose either the truth or not. He compelled his viewers to know things and take action. I find this true as I find Catholics who don’t speak to their pastors (in charity) when problems arise as only prolonging the problem themselves. If people in high places, including clerics, would not give you a moment to talk and act like tyrants in their ways, there would be more like Voris who would be understandably inflammatory towards them. There are times that its naiveté to always expect the other party to respond with charity to your charity. How you shake them would be very difficult. Wrong he may be, Voris responded in the way he knew how. I think CM has a genuine desire to report on the truth. Them exposing Catholic Charities and their part on illegal immigration using taxpayer dollars I think was a huge win. There were times they went too far though. Voris can make you distrust the church hierarchy because of his relentless blaming of the bishops. I also have a problem with him being rude to other Catholic media outlets and commentators that were once friendly to him yet ask for donations. Voris really hated the SSPX for some reason. I was also not comfortable with the way Simon Raffe talked and how David Gordon interviewed some guests. I wonder what happened to the promising young reporters they laid off a while ago. Other than those, I found Christine Niles’ program Forward Boldly was excellent and so is Rome Dispatch with Brad Eli and Dr. Jules Gomes as those guys are very polite on their presentations. Scandals and rudeness aside, I think we need conservative Catholic news outlets with many elements of Church Militant in countries with large Catholic populations.

@MichaelMaedoc

5 ай бұрын

He does not need to see the videos, he criticizes the premise of the Vortex justly and would have seen many videos because they were everywhere. It was not reporting, it was activism fraught with problems. I never suspected he had fallen like he did but he always came off as arrogant and too certain of himself. He never seemed to have distanced himself from his secular past.

@ramirreyes6414

5 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelMaedoc Yeah, Voris was arrogant often times and I was uncomfortable too but I do not deny that many of the things he said were true nonetheless but they way its presented is not for everybody. If you say Voris' presentation was activism, how much more activism liberals in the Church do, going as far as attempting to change Church teaching? At least Voris, despite his vitriol did not attempt public heresy. In fact, CM tried to combat it. And believe it or not, there are people who converted or reverted back to the faith and they claim CM or Voris helped them. Church Militant is not limited to Voris or The Vortex. Like I said, there are other worthy programs in there.

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

And, how many people are NOT getting on the "Fr" James Martin? And then those who "pro life" but 'avid' porn users. May every one work on themselves...and not just 'pray' but pray and WORK. The only thing that makes me mad is, if this wasn't a "slippage" of MV, but rather a manipulative scam from the get-go.

@ramirreyes6414

5 ай бұрын

@@Jennifer-gr7hn Maybe the pro lifers in America should try to get a bill to outlaw porn sites and the production of elicit content too? After all its a violation of human dignity. As for me, I kinda live a double life too when I slip on my list of go-to sins so I can relate with Voris in a way. He is treated differently however because he is a significant person in the Catholic media sphere. If he was an invisible nobody, the Catholic media would be totally silent whether he slipped or not. Problem is Voris dragged Church Militant into the mud despite all the other good the media outlet has produced over the years.

@johnpglackin345

2 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelMaedocReporting and activism is what we need. Not bury our heads in the sand.

What a great message. Thank you.

Evil hates the light. Shine the light. Fight for truth. The church covered up for years. And needs to be held accountable.

I understand what Bryan is saying but Church Militant was a news organization. And Michael was a journalist. The summa says this about detraction: Journalists are entirely within their rights in inveighing against the official shortcomings of public men. Likewise, they may lawfully present whatever information about the life or character of a candidate for public office is necessary to show his unfitness for the station he seeks. So Michael and church militant could always argue what they were doing was with eye looking out for the public good. Detraction is more for regular people blackening the good name of other private people.

so....calling out horribly sinful prelates killing the faith and culture of the church by their private and public actions is sinful? When is it ok to call them out when they actively protect their current sinful ways? Actively cover for past deeds? How can this be done "gently" when they are clear in their intention to continue with their behaviors?

@BrianHoldsworth

5 ай бұрын

Detraction is a grave sin. I may not always like it, but it's unavoidably there in Church teaching and I can't pretend I'm a faithful Catholic if I try to act like it isn't. I may, out of weakness, commit it from time to time, BUT, that's quite different from gleefully doing it routinely with all kinds of fanfare and getting paid to do so - not to mention never repenting for it. I would say that outlets like The Pillar give us a much better example for how to bring awareness to problems in the Church.

@gunzofthenavarrone8293

5 ай бұрын

I see next to NO glee in the work CM, LifeSiteNews, Remnant and many others are doing. Try addressing significant maligned practitioners yourself who have the power to shut you up and continue their ways. If you can acknowledge there are truly evil false shepherd in our midst, they must be rooted out. Feels like your approach is the lukewarm approach. Walking by the money changer tables makes us lukewarm.@@BrianHoldsworth

@JMM0111

5 ай бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworthI posted my own comment above that you’re welcome to read. You are not interpreting the Church’s teaching on detraction properly. It was very necessary to call-out all this criminal activity in the Church. Gleefully doing it routinely? That’s a low blow, Brian. I doubt they enjoyed what they had to expose.

@JMM0111

5 ай бұрын

Good comment, Gunz.

@ryanscottlogan8459

5 ай бұрын

Brian I am curious then how you would justify the actions of St John the Baptist who called out people’s sins in a very public way.Our Lord said no greater man was ever born of woman than John the Baptist.

These revelations on Voris’ embezzlement, withholding just wages, calumny, and shocking hypocrisy show us a side of him that most of us would never have imagined. There is an insidiousness to this if not outright mental illness.

@josephk4310

5 ай бұрын

No health insurance for workers either.

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

Where did you hear this ? do you have a link please, honest question, Some have not gone into detail, big takeaway for me so far is what Christine Niles said about him stopping his prayers at the studio, cautionary tale for us all.

@angelamalek

5 ай бұрын

@@RickW-HGWT The most information was actually E. Michael Jones’ expose on Voris which in part is read on a vid imbedded on Vox Cantoris site-center page news. Can’t link, but it’s still there.

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

thanks @@angelamalek

@johnpglackin345

2 ай бұрын

​@@josephk4310We need to get away from health insurance. Insurance is a scam. No true Catholic should want it.

I couldn’t watch past the three minute mark. I believe you are being unfair to someone who has done a lot of good over the years. As others mentioned, I too learned a lot about the faith from Michael and watching his program The One True Faith. I can’t imagine the unbelievable horror he must’ve experienced as a child that has caused him this downfall. Over the years and long before his admission a few years ago, I heard him allude to the fact that homosexuality is always caused by some childhood experience. I believe it was that experience that caused him to be so ruthless in his investigations. He should win an award for the role he played in the dismissal of the NYS bishop who had neglected to do anything to a child molesting priest by tracking him through an airport when they were by Providence on the same plane! My heart broke while watching his last video. I hope that Christine Niles is able to reconcile the betrayal she feels somehow and I pray for Michael. I could be wrong but it’s my belief that God has allowed this because He needs Michael to be fully healed so that he can come back better than ever in His plan.

Very well spoken, Brian. Thank you.

Summa Lex Summa Iniuria. If we lack Charity then "justice" becomes injustice. Justice exists because of the mercy of God.

I really believe God is cleaning house. Sadly, the charity of many has grown cold. Just as our Lord said it would. Thank you for your thoughtful commentary on this very sad situation. God bless you, sir.

I'm thankful for the Vortex for opening my eyes but I also stopped watching it because it was just more of the same and saw no point in watching it. However, as a priest dealing with a bishop, correcting a bishop in private will just get you in trouble, so, that's not a good analogy, especially, when the bishop has power over you.

@p.doetsch6209

5 ай бұрын

Well said.

Im soo sorry for MV. May he find Peace & healing ❤❤

I'll tell you Brian many of the people that are watching media regarding Voris and CM are most likely current or prior donors.

Brian, I usually agree with you but your irresponsible assessment is very disappointing. I'm just someone who watches and reads a lot of Catholic content, including Church Militant and I'm deeply saddened, even angry over the news and stories about Michael Voris. You say that you don't follow CM's work closely and yet you speak with confidence about what you think CM's work is all about and the motivations behind it, as if there's only one interpretation. I didn't sense any "glee" in them with their reports on the scandals involving bishops and priests. I sensed anger and bitterness but not "glee." The stories they report on mostly involve priests and bishops who engaged and continue to engage in wrongdoings despite numerous complaints and reports from parishioners and other priests and seminarians. And maybe we should consider that this is a case of someone who was sincere and serious about his faith and the mission of his organization in the beginning but has fallen away.

@dija5578

5 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you. Brian said he hardly watched CM.. so how can he possibly speak so confidently on the matter? Brian is doing a lot of assuming in regards to CM. CM helped expose a deep rooted corrupted network of self serving modernist whose goal is to distort the Deposit of Fatih which ultimately leads souls to perdition.

This is an irresponsible assessment of The Vortex and Michael Voris. To say that you never subscribed and hardly ever watched but then to give the impression that every episode was full of vituperative rancor without just cause is grossly unfair. CM was at the forefront of reporting financial corruption and unfair treatment of priests who taught the authentic Catholic faith. Also, you state that Voris was being hypocritical ‘the whole time’. How do you know that? Couldn’t this have been a relapse after having abstained from impure behaviour for some years? I will agree that the increased negativity was probably a sign of inner corruption, but you should have left this topic alone as you made sweeping generalisations that were uncharitable.

@siennamargeaux8413

5 ай бұрын

I'm deeply saddened and disappointed over Michael Voris but I'm also disappointed with Brian's take here. Irresponsible assessment, indeed.

Hi Brian. While I agree that we ought not become fascinated with scandal and shouldn't spend our time seeking it out, there is one aspect of this which you don't seem to have considered or thought of, nor have I seen other commentors do so (not that I've read all the comments). One thing for which i found an organization like Church Militant useful (notwithstanding the recent revelations) is that I could always easily point to Church Militant when I would have either atheists or Protestants or other non-Catholics accuse Catholics of either being ignorant of the scandals in our Church, or downplaying them, or actually wanting them covered up, or simply not caring about them. Many times I've been in conversations with colleagues at work or non-Catholics elsewhere and they'd make these kinds of comments about how we Catholics don't seem to mind being "in league" with those who commit such scandal, or comments suggesting that we lay Catholics have the same kind of attitude and motives as do, for example, the Bishops who actively work to cover up scandal. Basically, the assumption often is that we average Catholics side with those who cover-up scandals and want these facts to be buried so as to protect our reputation. And this couldn't be further from the truth. And so in such instances I'd always tell such people that, no, we Catholics are *way more concerned* with such scandals and are more eager than anyone else for the "light of truth", as Voris used to say, to be shined upon these scandals because "exposing the rot" (again, as Voris used to say) is the first step with getting rid of it. Even just today, my colleagues were discussing an article they found on MSN news about the financial scandal involving Cardinal Becciu, and my colleagues all looked to me "the super Catholic guy", expecting me to try and explain it away. But they were pleased, and seemed to respect, the fact that I didn't get defensive and called it out as the scandal that it is. So, to conclude, many times I have been able to use Church Militant as an easy source to which I could point to in order to substantiate my claim to these non-Catholics that we Catholics hate the scandals and want to see them exposed more than anyone else, for the good of the Church and of the victims of said scandals. If it weren't for voices like Church Militant and others like them, when I encounter such accusations or insinuations by non-Catholics about our supposed indifference, apathy or even desire for cover-up, I could still say "No, that's not true, we care more than anyone else" but that would just be my own statement and would come off as a "trust me bro" type claim because they can come back at me with "well, that's what you say, but where are all the other Catholic voices on this?" Love your channel, keep up the good work.

Yes, Brian, the hypocrisy here is what is astonishing … and demoralizing. And for this group to say this is “private” is the epitome of duplicity!

Well, somebody needed to call out the church hierarchy for all the sick actions. And yes, I had stopped watching him because of his stridency. But he wasn't wrong about them.

@Jennifer-gr7hn

5 ай бұрын

Yes. Maturity doesn't throw babies out with bathwater....

@janelle144

5 ай бұрын

That is why I stopped watching. It's made me feel sick about all the corruption he was uncovering. It was necessary but it went on and on making me think the church was all hopeless. I would never stop going to church and I am glad Voros shinned a light on bad things. Like we stopped giving money to the bishop's fund. He might not have sparred anyone, but he did say he wasn't going to condemn the Pope like some Catholic commentators do. The Pope was still head of the church. I pray he can find his way back; it seems he has a lot of history he will have to deal with from his past life.

Michael Voris helped me become Catholic due to his The One True Faith tv show he had and then I listened to them as podcasts as well. Never really got behind his digging for dirt. I only watched and supported CM because of his solid theology that was taught. God love you.

I get what you're saying, but do remember they were/are a news agency. And they brought a lot to light. They also had very good catechesis-programmes. It's these nuances I often miss in the attacks on CM. Let's pray for Michael Voris and the ones he hit by his sins. And pray for each other, who need prayers just as much.

think Voris did bring it to the Church and they did nothing so he broadcasted.

Well said Brian. Thank you.

I'll give a prayer to Voris but man what a disappointment. CM Should close their doors and Michael needs to go away for a good long time for all the damage he's done.

@SuzyHomemakerWhatElse

5 ай бұрын

I know I'm revealing my age here, but this reminds me very much of the Jimmy Swaggart downfall.

@colleenhouse7869

5 ай бұрын

​@@SuzyHomemakerWhatElsehe's still on TV, we get him and/or his son 3 times a day!!

We are in the greatest spiritual warfare and destitution in all of human history. This is a God vs. evil war to the death worldwide. *Our daily Godliness and prayerfulness are a matter of life and death from now on. * The cowardly and diabolical abandonment of exorcisms, spiritua warfare, deliverances, St. Michael prayers, and Godly Holy Spirit infilling has caused all the troubles of the world, past and present

@carolynkimberly4021

5 ай бұрын

Actually, it is the abandonment and suppression of the true Mass and the Sacraments that have deprived the world of Grace.

Thank you Brian🙏💕

For a while, say 4 years ago, CM was great until the attacks on the SSPX and the TLM. Suddenly something dark became evident and I stopped watching about 1.5 years ago.

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

For me it was about a year ago for the same reason, he could have made more friends than enemies and still do great holy work.

I normally like your videos, Brian, but I think you are way off base on this one. If Michael was exposing rank-and-file people for doing things that are sinful and then getting a kick out of seeing them suffer, you would have a point. But, what Michael was doing was exposing the very deep corruption within the Church. When that happens, who do you take your findings to? You can't bring them to the Church because it is those same people who are the corrupt people. If it wasn't for Michael, people like Theodore McCarrick would still be a Cardinal and likely still preying on innocent Seminarians and undermining and destroying many people in the process. Is that a sin? I didn't always care for his approach but Michael has served the Church very well even though (or because) he was a serious thorn in the side of Church officials. And McCarrick was just the tip of the iceberg. His work exposed a lot of filth within the Church in the US and elsewhere. Should that filth be left to fester and drive more faithful Catholics screaming away from the Church? This is not a simple tale of a couple of people gossiping over the back fence about someone else's dirty laundry. This is a tale of a disturbed but very dedicated and capable investigative journalist using his skills to try to clean a very dirty Church so it may continue to stand. I don't know what his crime/moral outrage he was involved in and caused his fall but I know that a number of years ago, he admitted that he had been involved in homosexual relationships before working his way back to the Church under the persuasion of his mother. His mom died a number of years ago so I can't help but wonder if he had backslid into his old ways without his mom there to talk some sense into him. As others have said in their comments, Michael desperately needs out prayers. Today is the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Perhaps we should all ask Mary to help him to deal with whatever daemons he has in his life and get back to his important work.

@catholicwoman907

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you, i usually agree with Brian but I think he is way off base here. MV and CM obviously have problems, but they exposed a lot of corruption that needed to be exposed. I will be praying for them all.

@BrianHoldsworth

5 ай бұрын

I get that, but the ends don't justify the means. Mean spirited detraction is a seriously grave sin. You can't justify it on any grounds. I may not like it and I may fall short of it, but it's a clearly defined Church teaching and I can't claim to be a faithful Catholic if I pretend otherwise.

@bertpenney3526

5 ай бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworth OK, fair enough. But, what do you do with information you have discovered about high ranking Church officials that has the potential to destroy hundreds or even thousands of faithful Catholic's dedication to their Church? You can't go to the Church with this information because you would be delivering the information to the guilty parties. So, what do you do?

@catholicwoman907

5 ай бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworth do you think it was sinful to expose pedophilia and homosexuality in the priesthood?

@ImTiredOfThisChurch

5 ай бұрын

@@catholicwoman907y’all need to repent

can you quote a vortex or a church millitant video that was unjust? An example rather than blanket statements would be good and honest on your part.

@dija5578

5 ай бұрын

He claims he rarely watched.

Thank you for this video!

Thankyou Brian !!

Really love your message to every topic Brian! Your Catholic love and charity always shines through!

I loved Church Militant and used to work for them as an editor for about half a year. It was mostly great working for them, but after I left I did not like the direction they were taking as far as consistent negativity about the Church. But overall, they did have good messages and I appreciated them.

This was excellent Brian. Thank you.

God bless you, Brian. I found this message personally humbling and something I needed put to me in just the way you did. Thank you so much!

Well said Brian! Detraction and Calumny are far too common today.

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

At what point does it become detracting and callamuny ? Who determines it ? The scandals that we the laity are still paying for are not helped by secrets and ignorance. The moving of abusive priests by the hierarchy , is exposing that detracting or callamuny ?, look at the excreta mccarrick, mahoney, and rupnick and to many others that have benefited from silence and reticence.

Thank you for those good words, Mr. Holdsworth.

I do think, Brian Holdsworth, that your criticism of Church Militant is somewhat convoluted. When a bishop is actively covering for predator priests, that is not some sort of sordid private affair, but is worthy of exposure, as Church Militant was doing. That is a noble effort, and is not detraction, which, properly speaking, is the exposure of a persons private shortcomings, or of the shortcomings of a married couple. Now, if the Vortex was exagerrating and conflating truth and falsehood, then, yes, that would be calumny. That Michael Voris is a flaming hypocrite does not change the facts. Rather, it damages his credibility, which in turn does a disservice to the truth. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. You are our only hope!

@RickW-HGWT

5 ай бұрын

Amen, I think a lot of the claims of callamuny and detracting are used as tools by the hierarchy involved in the scandals, the contempt for the laity and its treasure that are being used to pay for all this is not acknowledged. The church has destroyed its own credibility and moral authority, by hiding the evil in their ranks, if this was any other organization the need for distust would be obvious.

I was not a subscriber to Church Militant but I did occasionally view some of their shows. They gave a voice to the voiceless within the Church, especially in the Archdiocese of Detroit which seems to be riddled with coverups. It is unfortunate this is happening to the organization but the inner squabbling and finger pointing within CM is most likely because of fear. Just like children or friends associated with someone who falls, people want to protect themselves. Brian’s comments at the end were helpful, but if he was not a viewer of CM, he really should just have left the issue alone. The few shows I watched were helpful. Not all the content was accusatory…and sometimes, accusing someone is the only way to go. With some people, a gentle admonition works but with others, your attempt to gently correct falls on deaf ears. It is then time to try another strategy and that is what I believe CM did. As far as other groups attempting to promote the Gospel now receiving repercussions from this scandal, that’s Christian life. It is just what is going to happen and we should press on regardless. The world is going to hate us. Our job is to share the Gospel or Good News. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to quicken the conscience and effect change. Do your best and leave the rest to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. One last thought…CM must have been doing quite a bit of good otherwise satan would have left the group alone. The fact that there is this great scandal and fall seems to be proof of that.

The devil attacks us all. No one is holy. We are all sinners and pray for the conversion of sinners!!

Mr Vorris was very instrumental in the revival of my faith. Although I didnt always agree with him, the traditional latin mass in particular, I never questioned his commitment to our blessed lord. I will pray for him, as I'll pray for you in your glass house casting stones at him. God love you.

Michael was exposing moral and doctional corruption in the Church. I never disagreed with his content, only sometimes with his demeanor. Still, truth is truth. His sins do nothing in my mind to discredit the work that CM did. Pray for him.

You echo much, if not all, of my thoughts on this. Thank you for sharing such a thoughtful perspective. Let us pray for Michael Voris and all involved. 😇✝️😇

Closet queens' self loathing always bleeds out into their conduct and attitude. When constantly at war with one's self, everything becomes a battle.

Brian, you have a true Catholic heart and are a real gentleman. Over the years, Church Militant became more and more toxic, almost reveling in the sins of others and highlighting every sordid detail. Many of their 'reports' were half- truths, unsubstantiated claims, and even outright lies. The damage and suffering they caused is incalculable. I pray for all at Church Militant to heed St. John the Evangelist when he said over and over again... "Little flock, love one another." Let's make a difference in the Church, and become part of Maximilian Kolde's '"Militia of the Immaculata' where our weapon is the 'Memorare', and our goal is to help win souls for heaven. 🙏

I had been a subscriber to Church Militant many years back and had thought that many of Michael's observations were pretty spot on, having been a cradle Catholic myself and being able to relate to some (well many) of the things that seemed wrong inside the typical suburban American parish (and some of the urban ones as well). With that said, I think one of the reasons I stopped being as ardent a viewer and never resubscribed was because the focus started to be a bit too focused on the Church hierarchy. While one could argue the point that something needed to be said, it was also a bit too... emotional and personal. I'm not sure what happened with Michael in the past two years (largely because I think I really stopped watching around 2017 to 2018 or so). Perhaps he despaired not feeling as though any progress was being made and thus succumbed to temptations that were chomping at the bit, and then relapsed, opening Pandora's Box and everything spiraled out of control. Either way, I liked the older content pre-2017 and found some solace in that I wasn't the only one who picked up on the craziness.

Thanks Brian, this was edifying. I also pray for Michael V. He always wanted the good for Mother Church. God knows his heart alone I am sure we can all agree. Looking forward to seeing you content and learning from your perspectives and thoughts on all these topics Catholic and such that you cover. Thanks for your courage and desire do carry the message of Faith, Hope and Love, brother.. Merry Christmas 🙏

Thankyou Brian you have just expressed and clarified every doubt and worry I’ve had about Michael Voris and Church Militant.

A very difficult angle on this is that much of what you say, Brian, can be said of the cadre around Pope Francis. The nasty, brutal attacks on traditionalists by the Pope personally and many around him whom he favors, have encouraged similarly nasty, brutal attacks on other targets. And I have to ask in respect of those whom Michael Voris exposed, how do we know that the malefactors had not been treated with in private, just as you suggest should be done before public exposure? There are altogether too many instances of faithful Catholics having brought something quietly to the attention of the hierarchy, only to be told not to create public scandal, and then nothing was done.

@BrianHoldsworth

5 ай бұрын

Agreed.

When Voris started to call people with SSA 'sodomites', I remember thinking it was so dehumanizing and that they're never going to approach the Church with an attitude like that. It honestly felt like overcompensation.

@AliciatheCho

4 ай бұрын

Literally this. How you can conduct yourself is the best evangelization

Awesome statement to end the week with.

I agree with everything you said here. Because you asked to be held accountable, I do think that you made the mistake of slander with your Bishop Strickland videos - in the sense that you threw around accusations of malice while admittedly not having done enough research having made the video off the cuff.

The warning sign that not all was well in CM was the endless repletion of conspiracy theories.

Well spoken & explained . Thank you Brian. 🙏

What people who attempt to do a "filial/fraternal correction" fail to know is that first you need that filial/fraternal relationship

@tanishalavri3278

5 ай бұрын

And also, you need to do it in private, not in public. The only time you're allowed to do it in public is if the person is spreading false doctrines.

As a former supporter, you are right. I thought they were speaking to power and fighting the good fight. But yep, in retrospect, you are correct, and I was wrong; it was much calumny and detraction. I repent for supporting its spread. I am thankful that they did give me some good Catechesis as a revert, but there was at least as much chaff as wheat.

I am not Catholic but I did admire Voris' passion, dedication, and bravery in confronting the pathetic leadership and their abject failures in doctrine and policy

@enshala6401

4 ай бұрын

Eh, this is an internal family matter and is not your concern. Voyeurism is ugly. Move along.

@travisjohnson6676

4 ай бұрын

@@enshala6401 I say this with all due respect: F-uck you. I can comment on anything I like. You have no say in it. My comment stands. As an observer of the news and society and the many horrible scandals among the Catholic leadership, I can contribute my opinions. You can act like a big boy and refute my claims if you like but telling me to "Move along" is childish

@johnyang1420

4 ай бұрын

Try RCIA

@comosaycomosah

3 ай бұрын

lmao really@@enshala6401

@travisjohnson6676

2 ай бұрын

​@@enshala6401Screw you. I can comment on anything I like. And this is not a private family matter. It is very much in the public realm.

Voris always struck me as very toxic and divisive.

Thanks for your commentary and teachings. There are helpful questions you might want to help your viewers with- How do you/I get into a state of grace? How do you/I stay there? How will you/I know when no longer there? How do/should we make a good confession? How often should we make a good confession? How will we know we've made a good confession? How can/should we identify crises in the Church? Whom should we talk with when we observe/hear scandal? How do we keep from judging others?

Could you use an actual examples? They are a media company, reporters and they report. Christine Niles has stated she brings sex abuse allegations to the bishop's attention and only does a storry if no action is taken. CM start because St. Michael's media made faithful educational programs that were resisted by their bishop and pro-abortion POTUS Obama was honored at Notre Dame University. Michael likely did go to far sometimes. but they also did a lot of good. A lot that no one else was willing to do. Also the right to a good reputation is not absolute. There are times when things must be made known to prevent harm. Also they were not afraid to take risks by putting themselves out there.

I didn't know nothing until now while searching prayers that this came up about Michael Voris. I do have to say thanks to Michael I became more aware of things that were happening

Brian, as someone who used to follow and subscribe to CM , way back in the beginning, I would like to comment. Admittedly, this past couple of years I found that I was not following CM and had unsubscribed years before. Michael Voris admitted some years ago that he had, prior to his re-conversion, lived a homosexual lifestyle, but was now living chastely. Do we know for sure why MV resigned? I am guessing that he fell back into that life, but to say that he was living a double-life this whole time seems to be unfair, unless more news has come out that I am unaware of. So to say he was living this double-life, as if he had been doing it all along when we do not know that, is in itself detraction, no? I also know that Church Militant, which was originally called Real Catholic TV was initially started by MV to teach and spread the Catholic faith. When they realized that so many in the Church hierarchy were still engaged in sexual abuse, esp. with the McCarrick scandal, they spent more time calling out the very public sins and scandals of prelates, not to be gleeful about it, but to try to get the Church to get rid of these bad clerics. Anyway, these past couple of years I was getting tired of all this stuff being exposed and found myself drifting away. But I do not think MV was living a double life this whole time, only that he may have fallen back into it recently.

Go to Michael Voris in private if you think he needs correction. From what I have heard Michael Voris say he is doing penance. Please leave him alone 😭

Voris was ok to me as far his message exposing scandals, now we’re all sinful and hypocritical to a certain degree. So as far as his sin, God will judge him, he should repent and do a restock more on his sin, but not the message.

And some are criticizing you for commenting on this. Yet they commented on whomsoever they willed. It is sickening.

This message doesn't sit well, Brian. Right now with the top layers of our Church doing so many things that appear to be truly evil, faithful Catholics are shepherdless and we are all struggling to make good decisions about how to handle this situation. We make different decisions and we are probably ALL handling this wrong. Your video comes across to me like friendly fire. I have done research proving my small-town school libraries are full of smut and filth. It is a constant battle to know what is an appropriate Catholic response. I speak at the meetings and write blog posts. I haven't yet read pornography out loud at a meeting but if I get to the point where I think it will help, I guess I will. It is really unclear where the lines are on this kind of battle. Maybe you could do a video and tell me what you think. :)

@p.doetsch6209

5 ай бұрын

Excellent points. However the devil is in the details. For every time CM did good work exposing corruption they would also try to find another story to publish and they were not below manufacturing controversey. They became notorious for friendly fire of their own.

@jjrgj

5 ай бұрын

@@p.doetsch6209 I admit I have not followed this CM scandal. How do you make decisions, P., on when to speak and when to remain politely silent amidst rampant, flourishing evil actively destroying the Bride of Christ? What do you think your personal role is in this chaos? St. Nicholas slapped a heretic. Stuff is going to happen. Who KNOWS what to do! We need to have mercy on each other.

@p.doetsch6209

5 ай бұрын

@@jjrgj The first obligation is to cultivate your own personal holiness. Only in that process can such questions be truly answered. Saints still make mistakes but they can self correct with God's grace before they have the kind of implosion that causes scandal.

@jjrgj

5 ай бұрын

@@p.doetsch6209 I feel it is false to say that first we cultivate our personal holiness. That is a cop out. When do we in this life say we have achieved that and now we can move forward perfectly to defend the Bride of Christ, that is basically, being raped in front of our eyes? Those are harsh words but are they untrue? When we read the lives of saints he hear that their lives were full of scandal. Some were committed before a conversion, some accusations of scandal were falsely leveled. "Perceived scandal" is a normal part of the saintly life. I don't say that to defend any actual crimes committed by MV. I just know fighting is hard and sometimes it is messy. And that Catholics believe we are all capable of falling. We KNEW MV had a sinful history he was struggling to overcome. He was always very open about that.

@p.doetsch6209

5 ай бұрын

@@jjrgj As Voris descended it was obvious he lacked virtue and he was full of conceit, becoming the corruption he was trying to expose. Without having personal holiness, such questions as what's the fine line won't amount to anything because the virtue of prudence is a prerequisite.