The Lakers Feel Like a Mess With Van Lathan Jr. | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Van Lathan Jr. to discuss why it feels like nobody wants to play for the Lakers and nepotism with Bronny James.
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  • @rillaaa5740
    @rillaaa57409 күн бұрын

    You paid a 40 Year old the max drafted his son and hired an ex-player he podcasts with as the head coach who's really running the organization it's ridiculous

  • @Mar-t6n

    @Mar-t6n

    8 күн бұрын

    Dude you haven’t even seen it in action 😂

  • @marcusgarvey6231

    @marcusgarvey6231

    8 күн бұрын

    These aren’t the baseball decisions of a serious contender. This is marketing and merchandising that will profit J Buss millions (billion?) and R Paul of course.

  • @stefanoviczeljkors

    @stefanoviczeljkors

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@@marcusgarvey6231 NBA is a business. Lakers are not a non-profit organization. Most of the owners are content making a lot of money every year without competing for the title.

  • @shane1899

    @shane1899

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@Mar-t6n funny i didn't need to see bron + westbrook to play to know that wouldn't work either

  • @jamesmiller5331

    @jamesmiller5331

    8 күн бұрын

    And they threw in the Dan Hurley thing at the end to make it look like LeBron isn't running the whole thing lmaooo

  • @alexvoron5295
    @alexvoron52959 күн бұрын

    Thank you Van Lathan Jr. for clearly articulating this fellow Lakers fan thoughts.

  • @CheepsAhoy69

    @CheepsAhoy69

    6 күн бұрын

    Sounds kinda entitled tbh, like relying on the history and the glamor of the lakers to build your team for you instead of just making smart and controlled basketball decisions. When he brought up the Celtics payroll how are they able to pay all these players makes no sense, they traded for all the pieces surrounding two stars they drafted and made a well constructed team. Trading for em gets their bird rights so they can go over the cap as much as they want to retain em

  • @melvinwright4184
    @melvinwright41849 күн бұрын

    Players will never say it out loud, but they saw what happened with Westbrook when he became a Laker and decided that they want no part in this circus. They don't wanna sign up to be a scapegoat

  • @dparks2856

    @dparks2856

    9 күн бұрын

    Westbrook played like trash and after he left

  • @KK-pm7ud

    @KK-pm7ud

    9 күн бұрын

    That's probably the first thing the Mavs told Klay when they saw him

  • @dreamcage1801

    @dreamcage1801

    9 күн бұрын

    I wouldn’t want to either. No one wants to deal with the bullshit all together. Period!

  • @lukemcnabb_1

    @lukemcnabb_1

    9 күн бұрын

    Don’t forget the Frank Vogel situation too, no coach or player wants to deal with this organisation

  • @swampduck2609

    @swampduck2609

    9 күн бұрын

    Playing with Bron is more trouble than it’s worth

  • @mgzig8
    @mgzig89 күн бұрын

    That unintentional smile was hilarious

  • @gabdex83

    @gabdex83

    9 күн бұрын

    So genuine couldn't hide it

  • @cuegordon1178

    @cuegordon1178

    9 күн бұрын

    Priceless!!!!! He hate the Lakers badly 🤣😂

  • @codyjackson8884
    @codyjackson88848 күн бұрын

    "I've never been a fan of stepping over somebody who's scrapping for it because of who your pops is, and I'm not gonna start now." I loved that.

  • @scarletspider1240
    @scarletspider12409 күн бұрын

    No one hates Brony for being drafted, they hate his dad for forcing it to happen.

  • @pcharl01

    @pcharl01

    9 күн бұрын

    I'm not a LeBron fan. I did hate him talking about it so much after regretting naming him Jr. To be real, I dislike the memos that Rich Paul has leaked out.

  • @streettoughfighting

    @streettoughfighting

    9 күн бұрын

    That and now trying to lie and say he earned his eat there and absolutely deserves his contract. Like bro just own it cause we all saw what you’ve been doing and saying. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @gffsgcc

    @gffsgcc

    9 күн бұрын

    i feel like pelinka ultimately let it happen jeanie green lights lebron out in public with shoulder hugs. draymond has more of an emotional connection with the warriors front office that's why he's still there and klay is not.

  • @DJM3KS

    @DJM3KS

    8 күн бұрын

    Why does it bother people that aren’t Laker fans? Get a life seriously

  • @jasonhoppe781

    @jasonhoppe781

    8 күн бұрын

    Because it’s suppose to be about competition. They already talking about paying him a guaranteed contract. I’m a Laker fan and it’s sad to see. Like Lavar Ball did whatever he could to get his kids in the spotlight but they EARNED the draft spot!

  • @TrustTheProcess34
    @TrustTheProcess349 күн бұрын

    Need more Van. Currently my favorite BS guest. Him + Russillo should do a weekly pod together

  • @KK-pm7ud

    @KK-pm7ud

    9 күн бұрын

    Definitely a BS guest

  • @mattc5647

    @mattc5647

    8 күн бұрын

    Nah, he tokeny. They bring him on to talk about rap. Why they talking about these boring immature rap beefs?

  • @HKim0072

    @HKim0072

    8 күн бұрын

    There are some really funny bits when Van and Russillo pod together in the past.

  • @kw0017
    @kw00179 күн бұрын

    The thing i don't understand is Bronny has had every advantage his whole life to have the best of everything to learn and train to make the NBA.... and he isn't better than so many young men who haven't had as much assistance. So how does that mean he has all this untaped potential? Not like when he gets to the NBA, the training, coaching, diet all that stuff is going to help him go to the next level like it will other guys who are already better than him.

  • @thebyrd220

    @thebyrd220

    8 күн бұрын

    You’re correct and it’s them who are trying to gaslight us all lol

  • @TheChrisf95

    @TheChrisf95

    8 күн бұрын

    Solid point. Truth is: he’s not that good. I have a friend that goes to Stanford and watched him play in person against them last December I think, and he said he was getting cooked-by some nerds basically 😂

  • @marcusgarvey6231

    @marcusgarvey6231

    8 күн бұрын

    The circus act will be Crypto games only and bronny will check in for 30-60-90 seconds with Daddy on the floor to make history and sell jerseys-t shirts

  • @vlada

    @vlada

    7 күн бұрын

    Shaq, MJ, Pippens sons too. It's very rare that legendary players sons (in many sports) can ever get out the legend shadow. At least those three never put a target on their kids back. Wade's son was playing pickup with pro players when he was a teen,...

  • @MrOctober44

    @MrOctober44

    6 күн бұрын

    Mostly just not having the talent. As Tim Hardaway explained about his son, the sons can never be as hungry or have the drive because they grew up rich.

  • @murilogabrielli6369
    @murilogabrielli63699 күн бұрын

    There are two reasons why he entered the draft this year. First, there were no absolute guarantees that LBJ would be around next year to anchor him. Second, and most important. Next year's class is just more loaded, there would be more competition.

  • @je5406

    @je5406

    8 күн бұрын

    Third. The more he plays the greater chance he gets exposed. Last season Bronny's team was able to point to the medical issue as a reason for his meager 4.8ppg.

  • @Earl_E_Burd

    @Earl_E_Burd

    8 күн бұрын

    They gonna handle him with kiddie gloves and use his heart as an excuse out of the league when he isn't able to perform, and now he is signed to a 3-4 year contract.

  • @Christian-eq6pq

    @Christian-eq6pq

    8 күн бұрын

    @@je5406 BINGO! This was the answer we were looking for!

  • @hwinoree2257

    @hwinoree2257

    7 күн бұрын

    You make a fair point, but the criticism is not aimed at Bronny being drafted. The criticism is the narrative that he earned it, that he deserved it.

  • @murilogabrielli6369

    @murilogabrielli6369

    7 күн бұрын

    I know that. But towards the end of the videos they ask themselves why did Bronny not opt to stay one more year in college, where it would be easier to develop than in the NBA. This is what I was addressing.

  • @Bran-Da-Don
    @Bran-Da-Don8 күн бұрын

    I think the original plan was for Bronny to go to USC and either ball out or have an above average season which would've made him a legitimate 1st round pick (in a weak draft) to a late 1st round team (a playoff team). LeBron would then join this playoff team as a way to play with his son but also sneak in a chance to win a ring without pissing off the Lakers fanbase and being called a traitor. The concensus would've been "He wanted to play with his son, we understand" and LeBron avoids the criticism. Fate intervened with Bronny's cardiac arrest and subsequent poor freshman season. It fucked up the plan and they had to pivot into this current strategy. Unfortunately there was no way to pull it off without it looking obvious.

  • @kennyshin5262
    @kennyshin52629 күн бұрын

    You try to speak up and tell Bronny to pick up his slack and you will never get a pass thrown your way ever again or traded away to the shadow realm. Players don’t want to get involved in a potentially toxic environment.

  • @alexlol3260

    @alexlol3260

    8 күн бұрын

    Bron has all his hooks in the Lakers franchise now lol, he got his bag again and his son drafted. and clearly Rich Paul has some say in their FO decisions aswell, what a mess

  • @JUSTSAYING-dg4hu

    @JUSTSAYING-dg4hu

    Күн бұрын

    These players are so self-motivated - Kobe had that city on his back, LeBron just likes the proximity to the limelight... Especially with LA being down so bad rn, they need something to lean on.

  • @makempay8710
    @makempay87108 күн бұрын

    What is so cool about seeing a father play with his son in a league that the son did not belong or earn his spot to be in said league

  • @timothyfrederick9591
    @timothyfrederick95918 күн бұрын

    Van mirrors my thoughts on the nepotism.Very well put.

  • @scarletspider1240
    @scarletspider12409 күн бұрын

    Players aren’t stupid…they’ve seen how this era of the Lakers has gone and they ain’t getting in the middle of that freakin circus. Not only do you have to be prepared to be blamed by LeFraud for the team failing…now there’s the added element of what’s gonna happen if you do or say the wrong thing to Bronny? No thanks.

  • @djj3357
    @djj33578 күн бұрын

    The Lakers are unserious! Appreciate your no-nonsense view. Our franchise is a gutter ball! 💜💛

  • @colonialstraits1069

    @colonialstraits1069

    8 күн бұрын

    It’s not just the Lakers. The NBA is fully on board and trying to find any gimmick that might get clicks. It’s an unserious league.

  • @davidvillela7476
    @davidvillela74769 күн бұрын

    Real lakers fans can't stand anymore of this circus

  • @Earl_E_Burd

    @Earl_E_Burd

    8 күн бұрын

    New stadium in Inglewood if real lakers fans wanted to make a statement

  • @fantasyEXX

    @fantasyEXX

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@@Earl_E_BurdI'd rather watch wnba than ever be a clippers fan

  • @aricrudd6579

    @aricrudd6579

    8 күн бұрын

    Be real, most “real” Lakers fans are just Kobe fans. Did any of you even care when the Lakers were completely irrelevant in the years between Kobe and LeBron?

  • @davidvillela7476

    @davidvillela7476

    8 күн бұрын

    @@aricrudd6579 im here since 1990 só just chill bronsexual

  • @christianpaul-cp6746

    @christianpaul-cp6746

    7 күн бұрын

    @@aricrudd6579to us real Laker fans they’re always relevant.

  • @scottbignell
    @scottbignell9 күн бұрын

    Nice to hear someone calling out nepotism.

  • @EdeDizon

    @EdeDizon

    9 күн бұрын

    You mean like Thanasis and Giannis in Milwaukee?

  • @cyberpunk6441

    @cyberpunk6441

    9 күн бұрын

    @@EdeDizon False equivalence, Giannis didn't force Milwaukee to draft his brother in his second season. He was drafted by NY and develop in the euro league for a few years and avg 16.7 pts and 7 RB. Yes Thanasis sucks but he still put up good numbers to justify signing him.

  • @Earl_E_Burd

    @Earl_E_Burd

    8 күн бұрын

    Also Thanasis has the size and strength of a professional athlete. If you gonna be Bronny-sized you better have elite skills.

  • @EdeDizon

    @EdeDizon

    8 күн бұрын

    @cyberpunk6441 and what exactly is Thanasis doing in the league now other than being a cheerleader?

  • @cyberpunk6441

    @cyberpunk6441

    8 күн бұрын

    @@EdeDizon Just because someone doesn't get playing time doesn't make them qualified to be in the league. Every team in the league has players that don't get playing time. Second point just because some one underperformed at the professional level doesn't mean it's ok for someone underperforming at the college level to get a guaranteed contract.

  • @ScrausScrauas
    @ScrausScrauas8 күн бұрын

    The Lakers biggest problem is that the ownership has no comfort with stepping out from the franchise’s past and empowering a smart FO, not just Kobe’s Former Agent. 1. The team overreacted to losing in the ‘21 first round after winning a title and being a great team until AD and then Bron both went down after an incredibly short offseason. Trading too many good players for Russ who just didn’t fit and was aging. 2. Losing two postseasons of AD to injury is just a terrible break. 3. Bron, while still being great (and unparalleled for his age) is no longer a top 10 player thru a season and playoffs. And in the past, role players always had to play under the weight of playing for Bron’s Legacy but that was offset because Bron was playing at a GOAT level before. Now those same role players still have to play under the Bron weight (and Laker weight) but Bron isn’t a GOAT anymore at 40, just “merely” a top 15-20 player atp.

  • @johamandcheese899

    @johamandcheese899

    7 күн бұрын

    Yep. Jeannie needs to get a real GM/FO like Presti in OKC and empower them to make decisions and stop this "family run" business BS that also involve the Rambis shadow GM decisions in the background. Just be a owner Jeannie and let real compentent people run the basketball part of the business.

  • @dansweeney2789
    @dansweeney27898 күн бұрын

    The Buss ownership thinks they deserved the Laker ownership and they are all aboard for others doing the same thing.

  • @Sethsters
    @Sethsters8 күн бұрын

    I commend Hurley for resisting the temptation and making the smart decision to avoid this ticking time-bomb of a franchise. Much better opportunities will come around if he just waits. Hell, San Antonio may be looking for a coach in the next few years and who wouldn’t want that job?

  • @2WheelsGood
    @2WheelsGood9 күн бұрын

    Well said Van. I ain't rooting for the rich kid that jumped spots because of their dad. No ill will, just not something i'll be actively doing.

  • @Tsunami_Hawk
    @Tsunami_Hawk8 күн бұрын

    Bronny just added 6 years to some poor kids journey to the league

  • @nuggz720
    @nuggz7208 күн бұрын

    He says he's taking less money but none of those people were coming to LA so he's a winner winner

  • @richardspidel3100
    @richardspidel31009 күн бұрын

    Players don't want to play with the circus that is Lebron and the Lakers.

  • @jesses5465
    @jesses54658 күн бұрын

    In a few years from now this era of the Lakers will be looked on upon as a weird reality show.

  • @samestuffdifferentday5712
    @samestuffdifferentday57128 күн бұрын

    Van you summed it up. I wish the best for the kid and everything but I’m just not a fan of how it was handled .

  • @Biz613
    @Biz6138 күн бұрын

    Two real housewives of LA are running the Lakers. Jeanie Buss and Linda Rambis 😂 no one is surprised at the incompetency.

  • @mymanuel187

    @mymanuel187

    8 күн бұрын

    And they are down to have a 3 some with the team star

  • @markmittens
    @markmittens9 күн бұрын

    Jordan's kids for example work with Jordan brand, makes perfect sense, he did not force his kids into being professional basketball players. Nepotism is rampant everywhere but this is another level.

  • @TenaciousAC
    @TenaciousAC8 күн бұрын

    Since the Lakers got LeBron, they’ve only existed for his needs and his needs alone. The good will marketing of ‘Join The Lakers’/‘Play With LeBron’ just isn’t there right now, and might actually be a broader career detriment after the experience. It would be interesting to do a snapshot of every player and coach who came & went AFTER LeBron arrived and see if their value was thrown through the floor after being cast aside by LeBron and Lakers Management. Did people join the Lakers to be elevated (by association) only to have their value destroyed on the way out ?

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    That's every Lebron team. He is a narcissist.

  • @ajbianchi85
    @ajbianchi858 күн бұрын

    The Lakers and Lebron deserve each other

  • @ChrisSmoovefan
    @ChrisSmoovefan8 күн бұрын

    Van should've brought up nephew Kyle and Bill's daughter having a podcast on the Ringer, see what his reaction was lmao

  • @Earl_E_Burd
    @Earl_E_Burd8 күн бұрын

    Wish I could articulate my thoughts as well as Van Lathan Jr. does

  • @Michael-tc1dm
    @Michael-tc1dm8 күн бұрын

    Once lebron retires, stars will flock to the lakers. Players dont want to play with lebron.

  • @streettoughfighting
    @streettoughfighting9 күн бұрын

    The only thing I hate about the nepobronny pick is that they now trying to lie and say he earned it and did it all on his own, like seriously y’all gonna try to gaslight America? Lebron trying to pull a trump and lie his way past the obvious truth. 🤣

  • @hwinoree2257

    @hwinoree2257

    7 күн бұрын

    Spot on.

  • @Toneloc1818
    @Toneloc18189 күн бұрын

    Jeanie is a horrible owner / Governor of the lakers.

  • @scarletspider1240

    @scarletspider1240

    9 күн бұрын

    Just say owner…there’s nothing wrong with it.

  • @KK-pm7ud

    @KK-pm7ud

    9 күн бұрын

    She's a good owner. Shut up.

  • @jackharrington697

    @jackharrington697

    9 күн бұрын

    @@KK-pm7ud 😂😂😂😂 She is a worse then Jim Buss

  • @kw0017

    @kw0017

    9 күн бұрын

    ​@@KK-pm7ud she's one of the worst owners in professional sports

  • @williestyle35

    @williestyle35

    8 күн бұрын

    ​@@jackharrington697 my dog is a better Governor prospect for the Lakers than Jim Buss...

  • @beachrelax9702
    @beachrelax97027 күн бұрын

    Love Van so much. Why don't we as Lakers fans ever get to talk about trading AD? It has seemed like the most obvious move for me for years now.

  • @johnfoley8502
    @johnfoley85027 күн бұрын

    Van was spittin’ this whole podcast.

  • @user-gg2lq5jo2s
    @user-gg2lq5jo2s9 күн бұрын

    That last statement summed it all up

  • @connorphillips8116
    @connorphillips81169 күн бұрын

    Anyone who said its the 55th pick it doesn't matter has to completely change their tune now. Its one thing to draft him when really his talent doesn't place him viably in that conversation, but he isn't on a two year deal or two way. They guaranteed 4 years for 7 million. Thats completely unheard of full stop. I really don't mean to throw shade on Bronny. He is a kid trying to navigate a dream in an immense shadow. Im sure thats a complex reality and I have empathy for that. But from a franchise POV, Klutch and Lebrons stature this is an embarrassment with fingerprints of a pattern of delusions. For me this really does affect LBJ's stature if only as a demonstration of maybe his biggest flaw. Obsessively dictating terms and decisions to his own detriment. Consistent questionable talent around him has often been from his own doing.

  • @nabetse1999

    @nabetse1999

    9 күн бұрын

    It’s not unheard of and it’s the freaking league minimum. Who cares

  • @EdeDizon

    @EdeDizon

    9 күн бұрын

    Also why is this a big deal when Thanasis taking up a real roster spot in Milwuakee when they're struggling.

  • @tdup191

    @tdup191

    7 күн бұрын

    ​@@EdeDizon Thanasis wasn't drafted by the Bucks and it was after Giannis 1st season so he wasn't drafted as a ploy to recruit Giannis either. If Bronny was drafted by another team and signed to play with Bron years down the line this wouldn't be a big deal but in this current situation Bronny is only in the league because his dad wants to add the narrative of him playing with his son to his flawed resume 😂

  • @Christo_Trismegistus

    @Christo_Trismegistus

    4 күн бұрын

    Thanasis played professionally in Greece and got drafted to the Knicks when Giannis was in his 2nd year. And Milwaukee fans have criticized Giannis for years because of that. And the other brother got criticized for winning a ring with the Lakers too. But both of his brothers didn't get drafted to the bucks. Bronny got drafted to the Lakers to make LeBron happy

  • @jamesmay9955
    @jamesmay99559 күн бұрын

    No One wants to play with Lebron and be part of the circus..

  • @edgardoMurnia

    @edgardoMurnia

    9 күн бұрын

    such a circus and yet everyone gets paid... EVERYONE Hachimura. Reaves. Vanderbilt. Caruso. KPC. Kuzma. I can go on and on. Lol.

  • @marcodraven9778

    @marcodraven9778

    8 күн бұрын

    And be the fall guy too.

  • @edgardoMurnia

    @edgardoMurnia

    8 күн бұрын

    @@marcodraven9778 Yeah, because usually teams blame their superstars... Like for example. The Celtics just traded Tatum after his terrible 2022 Finals. Moronx shouldn't be allowed to speak

  • @tdup191

    @tdup191

    7 күн бұрын

    ​@@edgardoMurnia lol your king never gets the blame for losing from the media, his teammates do and end up on trading block every 6 months even tho he is the common denominator

  • @edgardoMurnia

    @edgardoMurnia

    7 күн бұрын

    @@tdup191 So you mean that the Chicago Buills should've traded Jordan through the 80's when they were losing all the time? Your are a great basketball mind. And yes, he does gets blamed all the time by the media... and also he gets defended all the time. That doesn't mean a team would trade him as they wouldn't trade AD. BEcause that would be stupid. For you, normal, but for normal people, stupid

  • @j.anderson5206
    @j.anderson52067 күн бұрын

    Van Lathan Jr doesn't appear to know what the word "existential" means

  • @ben.tanner
    @ben.tanner9 күн бұрын

    Having recently watched the Saving Private Ryan Rewatchables episode.... Bronny didn't "earn it"

  • @roycedot
    @roycedot8 күн бұрын

    LeGM doesn’t know how to build a team. It’s not a blame thing. Like Bill said - bargain bin players- Prince, Reddish, Rui

  • @LiamborninDC
    @LiamborninDC9 күн бұрын

    I don't know after Kobe they drafted pretty well. They could have had a team with BI, Randle, Kuzma, Hart, Ball, and Caruso. But no championship.

  • @Christo_Trismegistus

    @Christo_Trismegistus

    4 күн бұрын

    That team could have won the bubble mickey mouse ring

  • @jasonlevesque6340
    @jasonlevesque63408 күн бұрын

    I love how Lakers fans just assume everyone wants to go there when they rarely sign any big name free agents.

  • @Earl_E_Burd

    @Earl_E_Burd

    8 күн бұрын

    They sign them - when they're already bringing fruit flies in the kitchen.

  • @thebyrd220
    @thebyrd2208 күн бұрын

    Stop with the BS about how great it will be to see father and son play. It’s nothing like the Griffy situation lmao. Y’all are high or trying to gaslight us with that one - Bronny has only shown us that is going to ride the bench. It won’t be heartwarming and fun bc it’ll be a mess and the team will suck and prob (hopefully) LeBron will have some cope and seethe moments or even a few meltdowns on court bc Bronny is so trash.

  • @andyh4518
    @andyh45189 күн бұрын

    I wonder how Nephew Kyle feels about Van's thoughts on nepotism.

  • @folkdude01

    @folkdude01

    8 күн бұрын

    Or Cousin Sal.

  • @michaelmcphee2006
    @michaelmcphee20068 күн бұрын

    Yes the Lakers are a mess. No one in their right mind would want to play or coach there. It's a mom and pop operation in an age of analytics and billionaires., and easily one of the 5 worst run teams in the league.

  • @eliazerperez9240
    @eliazerperez92408 күн бұрын

    Problem with the Lakers isn’t the roster, problem with the Lakers is Lebron and AD aren’t top 5 players anymore. In 2020 Lebron was the best player in the league and AD was probably 3 to 5. In 2024 they’re like the 12th and 14th best players in the league. That’s why they were a play in team despite AD and Bron playing basically a full season

  • @thejonesbass
    @thejonesbass7 күн бұрын

    to be fair, any other player that gave me 26/7/8 54% fg and 41% from 3 on just 18 shots, im saying take more shots... yes his defense is poor until it counts nowadays but ive seen teams build around worse defensive max players...his production says max player, its about as good as Kawhi was last year pre injury and no one says Kawhi isnt a max level player when healthy

  • @t-god2439
    @t-god24399 күн бұрын

    If time has shown us anything since they traded all those young guys to get AD. Can we really say the lakers drafted wrong? All those guys they drafted with the exception of kuzma. Turned out to be all stars or borderline

  • @williestyle35

    @williestyle35

    8 күн бұрын

    Yep. The 76ers had a version of this after Embiid established himself and the "process" still had a good pile of draft picks. The 6ers kept drafting guys, hoping one or two would be a good piece, saw that player develop a little, then gave up on the young player for another pick or trade, "tried" again. Repeating similar steps, never sticking with any group of young players, getting less in return each repeat, then wondering why they had not really amassed a good "young core"...

  • @roycedot

    @roycedot

    8 күн бұрын

    Lonzo Ball hasn’t played in two years and Larry Nance Jr has never been close to an All Star. He averaged 5.7ppg and 5 rebounds last year. Caruso was undrafted, Josh Hart wasnt drafted by the Lakers….you have no idea what you’re sputtering

  • @t-god2439

    @t-god2439

    8 күн бұрын

    @@roycedot okay so I was off by one player which is Larry nace. I also said the players that the lakers drafted. So why are you bring up Josh heart? For lonzo there were no injury concerns around him if I recall correctly when he was drafted. Injuries happen but they also don’t so why are you bring up that he hasent played in nearly two years? He’s wasent injury prone when he was on the lakers. Who’s to say if he was never traded that he would have still gotten hurt? Also those injuries don’t take away from lonzo talent. He fixed his jump shot , was and hopefully still can be a lock down defender, always had crazy vision and was a floor general. How is that not a great pick? Especially when you have Julius Randle? Or Ingram he would have set them up all day

  • @Christo_Trismegistus

    @Christo_Trismegistus

    4 күн бұрын

    LeBron has got rid of a lot of players that are better than most the current Lakers roster.

  • @rhyshilders
    @rhyshilders7 күн бұрын

    I remember all the platitudes for Jeanie Buss being a great boss for the Lakers, but she’s been every bit as inept as her brother (the one she fired). How they accidentally won a title in the bubble is beyond me.

  • @awsomealex24
    @awsomealex248 күн бұрын

    by the end of this conversation, it was very much a "Kobe would never" difference in approach to basketball the sport you play at the highest lever. Kobe went down with his ship, LeBron has created holes while masquerading as giving the people the opportunity to plug the holes because a great player like him is worth plugging up a leaky boat for.

  • @henryhall298
    @henryhall2984 күн бұрын

    last line of that hit real true

  • @DracoBigD
    @DracoBigD8 күн бұрын

    That Bronny draft pick also rubbed me the wrong way. That’s nepotism at its worst.

  • @ChyeahWill

    @ChyeahWill

    8 күн бұрын

    Who should've gotten the pick then?

  • @kindofbluenyc

    @kindofbluenyc

    8 күн бұрын

    There have been far more egregious nepotism cases in America. Basketball is just entertainment. It's not that serious.

  • @jasonhoppe781
    @jasonhoppe7818 күн бұрын

    All I want to know is how AD feels about this BS. Like he’s cool with wasting another 2 years of Basketball? He’s gotta play with Lebron his son and his coach. If I’m AD I’m hitting that eject button a month into the season! Trade me please

  • @TheUltimateRage
    @TheUltimateRage4 күн бұрын

    9:48 "This is different" Goes on to describe how nepotism works, which is applicable in literally every possible usage of the term.

  • @lbo9134
    @lbo91347 күн бұрын

    Black hoodie with the matching cowboy hat is spectacular.

  • @kevinc8955
    @kevinc89558 күн бұрын

    Reaves took a paycut to be a Laker and the Lakers used that to make him a better trade asset.

  • @TempeLane11552
    @TempeLane115528 күн бұрын

    I don't want to root for a team that isn't doing everything it can to win. Drafting Bronny is about getting attention and pacifying LeBron.

  • @veronicamorton9096
    @veronicamorton90967 күн бұрын

    ❤❤❤ it bill..im like that to when they talk about the SHEEP 🐑 and the LAKERETTS 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @pcharl01
    @pcharl019 күн бұрын

    Bronny couldn't risk waiting though because of everyone saying this draft is weak and next year's is great.

  • @Gabagool93
    @Gabagool938 күн бұрын

    A felt hat in the summer time, that doesn’t fit, with a hoodie on, wearing it inside is certainly a choice

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    They got the AC on.

  • @syedhassan2577
    @syedhassan25778 күн бұрын

    I'll be honest there are alot of bron fan mixed in with younger laker fans that make it a delusional fan base...gone are the days of dr buss who was about winning and buness...now it seems about business minus the winning

  • @PureBleachFilms
    @PureBleachFilms9 күн бұрын

    JJ won’t make it 3 seasons

  • @jackharrington697

    @jackharrington697

    9 күн бұрын

    He will get fired in 2 years

  • @marcodraven9778

    @marcodraven9778

    8 күн бұрын

    Yeah fired in 2, paid for 2 more not coaching like Vogel & Ham. It's how Lakers like to throw away $$$.

  • @RobertBalto
    @RobertBalto6 күн бұрын

    The guy is the cowboy hat does a brilliant job of describing the Lakers' situation, right up until the part about Bronny, where he seems kind of hesitant to speak his mind. Let me fill in the part that he's hesitant to say: he doesn't like the Bronny thing because it's MANUFACTURED. Just like other aspects of Lebron's career, where he was obsessed with trying to mirror Michael Jordan's career. This father/son thing is his new obsession...and as great as Lebron is, he is incapable of just letting things play out naturally and needs to try to control the narrative.

  • @noblue72
    @noblue728 күн бұрын

    The #1 thing for me is that by Lebron forcing the situation, but ensuring his son got into the league, it is robbed of any specialness a Father/Son team up could have had.

  • @kevinc8955

    @kevinc8955

    8 күн бұрын

    It was a 2nd round pick, not that big a deal. What will make it a big deal is JJ being coach because JJ will ensure he gets play time which is why JJs there in the first place. The lakers will turn into Bronny’s basketball camp with Lebron as the head counselor.

  • @noblue72

    @noblue72

    8 күн бұрын

    @@kevinc8955 Lebron still forced it to happen. The magic isn't there. It is entirely manufacture and thus the awe of finally seeing a true father/son combo in the NBA is stolen from us

  • @mikediaz8200
    @mikediaz82007 сағат бұрын

    Glad lathan said it well about bronny thank you keep it real I have the same view

  • @becameabird
    @becameabird9 күн бұрын

    If you loved lob city, u r gonna love: NEPOTISM MUNICIPALITY

  • @g-cole
    @g-cole8 күн бұрын

    Van Look So much like Kanye 😂😂😂

  • @itscipher
    @itscipher9 күн бұрын

    i agree with both of them. if bronny got drafted under these circumstances, that means the option to go pro would always be there. it feels disingenuous for bronny to say he wants teams to look at him for his talent and not his name then have rich paul call teams telling them he wont show up to training camp if they pick him. should've stayed in college and have a year that makes it undeniable that he's ready. i think he does have the talent to be a good pro, but this situation feels forced. i hope the best for him though and im looking forward to the moment him and bron share the floor because thats just cool

  • @davidstenner3136
    @davidstenner31369 күн бұрын

    Hes basically spot on, the lakers will go back to being inept

  • @masonjones3780
    @masonjones37807 күн бұрын

    Lesser version of Hebron but he’s still good. Really good! Spot on

  • @petergianakopoulos4926
    @petergianakopoulos49268 күн бұрын

    He's 6 "1 1/2 ...good luck

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    He'd have to play like Pat Beverly.

  • @Christo_Trismegistus

    @Christo_Trismegistus

    4 күн бұрын

    But Bronny said he was 6'4" before the draft combine

  • @samestuffdifferentday5712
    @samestuffdifferentday57128 күн бұрын

    That’s why Klay Thompson said no thank you , I’ll go east to Texas I’m not getting involved in that lakers mess. Smart move

  • @tjanderson5892
    @tjanderson58928 күн бұрын

    I was speaking it at the time. I wasn’t all in on Bron coming over bc I knew it was gonna blow up the young developing core for 1 maybe 2yrs of of Chip aspirations. We stomached the yrs we were trash collecting lottery picks knowing we’d have a young core to watch grow and develop. Then start adding auxiliary pieces around em like OKC/GS/ or even Boston. Knew signing Bron was gonna blow all that up and make the yrs we were garbage for picks seemingly be for nothing. Got a chip, but still feels a bit underwhelming

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    Imagine Randle, Ingram, Lonzo, Dlo, KCP, Caruso, Hart, Zubac, Nance all on the team. That's a good team!

  • @tjanderson5892

    @tjanderson5892

    8 күн бұрын

    @@shorewall ya and Kuz. Definitely a cool little squad that woulda been our squad. Home grown. We see where we stack up after a few yrs then look add a pieces or swap a starter or 2 for a star to play nx to BI and Randall. Who knows. We’d have been in a good spot. Young w/ assets instead of old w/ klutch players Bron wants that he can later blame when things go bad

  • @MistaF
    @MistaF8 күн бұрын

    as a Laker fan... Bronny vs Knecht... origin stories.. size. development. It's pretty glaring..

  • @southbeachtalent
    @southbeachtalent5 күн бұрын

    I love how in 2024 everyone involved in sports media is still afraid to say Jeanie Buss is a god awful owner

  • @ThePenitentSquirrel
    @ThePenitentSquirrel8 күн бұрын

    Imagine telling some kid that grew up in the projects or war torn country that a player that their better than 'deserved' to get drafted and that wasn't nepotism. Now imagine telling Tyrese Haliburton that some rookie deserves half what you have had to bust your ass in incentives to earn in your career and its guaranteed. I'm not going to root against the kid, but I'm going to give him the time of day he deserves which is none.

  • @mrgabgutierrez
    @mrgabgutierrez8 күн бұрын

    lebron did his part only taking 50 mil a year so they could afford more stars

  • @Earl_E_Burd
    @Earl_E_Burd8 күн бұрын

    The 4-year deal - getting Bronny a contract so he can chip in for a tiny piece of the Vegas franchise and get some experience for his future role in the front office.

  • @exitscreaming4637
    @exitscreaming46379 күн бұрын

    LeBron destroyed the team with his emotional/low-IQ demand they trade KCP, Caruso, etc. for Westbook. He's not an intelligent person. He might be an intelligent player, but that's a whole nother thing . Can't wait till he retires

  • @Cloud-ii7dg

    @Cloud-ii7dg

    9 күн бұрын

    its baffling how moronic and arrogant this comment is. should’ve stayed a stain on the bedsheet

  • @andu1854

    @andu1854

    9 күн бұрын

    Or maybe All time great players sometimes turn out to be bad GM’s or owners

  • @barakesmith-washington6946

    @barakesmith-washington6946

    9 күн бұрын

    Unhinged hate 😭😭🫵 praying for you

  • @manassharma7074

    @manassharma7074

    9 күн бұрын

    He also greenlit the AD trade, but you won’t give him any credit for that. But ofc when the Westbrook trade doesn’t work it’s all Lebrons fault

  • @dpistons149

    @dpistons149

    9 күн бұрын

    @@manassharma7074I think most 2k players would have greenlit the AD move 😂. It was a no brainer.

  • @florianwarnecke1995
    @florianwarnecke19958 күн бұрын

    they are right, the Lakers need defense. But LeBron basically stopped defending entirely after the bubble Championship. You cannot win anything with 4 defenders on the court

  • @1stKindChris
    @1stKindChris5 күн бұрын

    The last guy that wanted to be a laker was technically Dwight but realistically it was Shaq.

  • @ageofdaze1
    @ageofdaze13 күн бұрын

    First time listening to Van Lathan but damn he's good

  • @HayastAnFedayi
    @HayastAnFedayi8 күн бұрын

    0:12 Bill's smile I can't even🤣🤣🤣...that smile sums up the way Celtics fan's have been feeling since banner 18 and this Lakers dumpster fire is the cherry on the top!!!

  • @Chief08
    @Chief0810 сағат бұрын

    “I’m watching guys not want to be lakers” Van we all witnessed Lamarcus Aldridge choose SAN ANTONIO over the lakers bruh wtf are you talking about

  • @AdanBean
    @AdanBean7 күн бұрын

    “I’m watching guys not want to be Lakers. Since when was that a thing?” Idk…2014/2015? FAs not wanting to be Lakers goes back to Lamarcus Aldridge. Durant not taking an interview from them. The fact is that for all the complaints Lakers fans have of Bron, he gave them a gift by choosing to play there. He got AD there. Their Front Office ineptitude dates back to the last years of Kobe. They take care of aging stars but they’re not competent roster builders.

  • @Conzore
    @Conzore8 күн бұрын

    Bars from Van

  • @lennybeason1110
    @lennybeason11108 күн бұрын

    Lebron hasn’t built up the emotional equity that Kobe built with the fanbase. The fanbase doesn’t care about Lebron and Bronny if they’re not winning a championship. Lakers fans are getting tired of the circus and wants results. The fanbase will turn on Lebron because his yearly act is getting stale!

  • @user-vc1ed9ty8f
    @user-vc1ed9ty8f8 күн бұрын

    Who wants to root for a rich kid who has literally had everything in his life handed to him on a silver platter? I don't know about y'all, but I don't root for people like that. They don't need me to root for them. Bronny's already won at life. He deserves more? Why? Why does he get everything?

  • @donaldumunawa4787
    @donaldumunawa47878 күн бұрын

    Lakers are about winning championships, not about being a carnival.

  • @kf4778
    @kf47788 күн бұрын

    The Mavs won 3 more games than the Lakers in the regular season, and that's with Darvin not playing his best lineup for 20+ games. Settledown.

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    And then they got gentlemen swept by Denver in the first round.

  • @kf4778

    @kf4778

    8 күн бұрын

    @@shorewall And the only difference was the Mavs got lucky playoff matchups or they would've been gentlemen swept too, like they were in the finals.

  • @______9484
    @______94844 күн бұрын

    [2:39] Bill: "... they trade everything for Davis, and ever since it's been LA tryna figure out how to balance the roster..." Kinda skipped over the whole won-a-ring part, but besides that, guess it hasn't been perfect...

  • @andreashley6084
    @andreashley60844 күн бұрын

    Bronny will bring eyes to the G league. This is a mutually beneficial business move

  • @felixalfaro3119
    @felixalfaro31197 күн бұрын

    Why we acting like Bron isn’t the only guy to want to go to laker in close to 15 years lol

  • @tombrokow8181
    @tombrokow81818 күн бұрын

    Lebum and KD played with 17 All Star players.

  • @williamphillips3035
    @williamphillips30359 күн бұрын

    In all honesty, I think Jenny Buss should sell the Lakers...she would get way above market value and be one of the richest women in America after the sale.

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    8 күн бұрын

    Man, Laker's could get like 10-15 Billion.

  • @steves9964
    @steves99647 күн бұрын

    Gotta admit, the Lakers are out-jetting the Jets. How dare they try and compete against the Jets' eternal desire to under any circumstances win the offseason?

  • @willingexile3374
    @willingexile33748 күн бұрын

    It's par for the course when working with LeBron, only he isn't as good as he was when he joined Miami or re-joined Cleveland. That's the price for catering to a superstar free agent. Would the Lakers have won in 2020 with the players they drafted instead of LeBron and AD? Subsequently, the front office went with a high risk/high reward strategy in trades, going with star power instead of fit. Now, they are reaping the returns. As for Bronny, I wish him the best, I don't necessarily agree with his selection/contract but it's their money so I'll STFU. Interesting to see what happens, let's see if he becomes anything more than a footnote. After all, no one gives the sons of famous fathers any credit until they succeed.

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