Legacy manufacturers have really been caught in their sleep, haven’t they. Bikes like these Koves, Voge, CF Moto and Royal Enfield are daring, interesting, look nice and have tremendous value. All with well known brands of tires and suspension. BMW 900 cost double, have much less spec all round and still have Chinese engines and tire brands. And don’t even get me started on the Japanese brands, which are all just sleeping with massive gaps in keys market segments.

meanwhile CFMOTO 450MT is sold out, with a backlog of orders. About time bikes are coming back to a reasonable price, £5k for this bike, already stuck an order in, has a TFT 5inch dash, software updated over the net, LED lights, 21 front and 18 rear spoked tubeless, KYB full adjustable front and rear suspension 200mm of travel, ABS and TC can also be turned off on the fly

@marcoaguiar3226

Ай бұрын

It's my future do it all bike whenever I can get my hands on a second hand one...

@tpcreeper2185

Ай бұрын

I won't buy any vehicle that is made in a Communist county. Not at any price savings. If China wants to compete with capitalist countries they need to stop undermining democracies. SHAME!

@Bow-to-the-absurd

Ай бұрын

Plus, you are directly funding the chinese military build-up. Well done.

@slakk5093

Ай бұрын

The kyb is budget bin kyb. Not the same level as buying kyb high end suspension. Just fyi.

@jbaker0203

Ай бұрын

@@Bow-to-the-absurd I guess you haven't worked out that most manufacturing happens in China, including components of the majors. What is your suggestion?

Im annoyed with the big players who have managed to be undertaken by what is basically a start up company. Everyone and his dog appreciates low weight with decent power and Kove just smashes it.

@rwdrallying

Ай бұрын

Well said. Rather than being impressed with Kove and CF Moto im annoyed at everyone else instead!

@ferkuzuel

Ай бұрын

The big players are kind of taking a nap. They need to wake up, get to the kitchen, and start cooking if they want a piece of the pie 🥧

@gregc6661

Ай бұрын

Wait and see how long that Chinesium metal lasts……or doesn’t.

@rwdrallying

Ай бұрын

@@gregc6661 true. And the other reason they can do it so cheap is because of the cheap labour, lack of labour laws in general...

@marcmaiermasso299

Ай бұрын

@@gregc6661 It's the same material used in any other bike, japanese, european... where do you think they buy it from?

I had a long chat with Lee on the Kove stand at ABR about this bike, as well as having a good long look at it and sitting on it. Unfortunately, they only received the first couple of bikes in the UK just in time for ABR, so I didn't get out on one, but I can't wait to get one out off road. It looks, sounds and feels like a weapon, and it's gonna be a game changer in the middleweight adv market for sure. It feels light, really well balanced, and carries its weight low. The attention to detail evident in the whole design concept is absolutely next level. It's extremely well specced from standard. They've thought of everything, including easy air filter access, innovative oil filter location, quality steering damper from standard, and it's even got mounting points as standard for an aftermarket raised front mudguard. Build quality looks really good. KTM bottom end with completely re-engineered top end specifically done for Kove, to get over the known KTM cam issues. The price is incredible, its a lot of bike for £8½k, and the 18 month, unlimited mileage warranty says to me that Kove are willing to back it on reliability too. Look out for somebody taking one RTW soon. And don't forget this is the company that took three of their 450 rally bikes to Dakar, and all three finished...on their debut! 🤯❤️‍🔥 Also the back story is inspiring. Welcome aboard Kove, I for one am really looking forward to following your progress.

@david.pedro.

Ай бұрын

What do you think about the 5k maintenance interval? You think kove put 5k because think the owner will do a lot of ofroad? You think if you do more street you can make maintenance interval of 10/10k km?

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

@@david.pedro. ​ No. Trying to stretch out service intervals to double that recommended by the manufacturer is really not a good idea. If anything I'd be doing maintenance more regularly for off road riding on any bike.

@david.pedro.

6 күн бұрын

And what do you think about reliability? Do you think if well maintained can go 100k km with out a problem like a Honda motor like Africa twin ? I really liked the bike and seriously want to buy one, but reliability wise I’m a little worried. KTM motor aren’t known for reliability

I had completely forgotten about this. I think this looks great and rugged. I like it alot and can't wait to see this in the flesh and ride one. If it feels as light as I think it will, it will be a buy for me. 👍🏿👌🏿

This sounds great for the money. The true test will be real world use, dealer support and residuals. The key thing that no twin has yet achieved is low weight and low centre of gravity. I’ve bought a 701 Husky for those very reasons and will sell my otherwise excellent KTM 890 Adventure. This might well be the kick up the arse that manufacturers need. Older riders (like me) still want to ride, can afford to but physically struggle with the heft of even the “middleweight” range. I’ve gone from a GSA sold in 2022 to an ATAS DCT ES then an 890 Adventure and now the Husky losing something close to 120kg into the bargain. I don’t see me wanting to go back.

Looks well made,seen in person. comparing the quality of my transalp xl750 to kove, damn Kove coming with really good product. 👍 looking forward to test it.

I like that I am seeing less and less china hating on relatable videos and more people being impressed. So easy to forgot that Japan was seen in the same light at one point. I love the competition and love the chinese companys going for lighter, cheaper bikes without completing sacrificing quality. I’m most excited to see what will happen to the true mid weight sector 450ish. I’m hoping aprillia will put their 500ish motor in a light bike and then everyone will race to have the lightest fastest adv. fingers crossed. Maybe even a wr 500 from yamaha with a 50cc bore out on stroke to increase service range. ❤

@user-do1sr9wg1w

25 күн бұрын

The big difference comparing to Japan is that China is a communist dictature, supporting Russia's war on Europe among other things. Chinese industry is the same thing as Chinese government. That would be the reason to be sceptical, not because they couldn't make quality products which of course they can if they want. But idealism never triumph over economy.

As a Tenere 700 owner at the moment, this was the only bike that really jumped out at me at the ABR fest. Looks good, looks light, with simple clean lines. If quality is as good as it looks on the surface, and aftersales service is also good, then KTM and the Japanese should be very worried.

@alix6028

Ай бұрын

if I'm not mistaken this should have the exact same engine as the KTM 790 ADV. and that one costs £2000 more according to KTM London.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

​@@alix6028All 790 KTMs, including Dukes of 790 or lower CCs are produced in the same CF Moto factory, which also manufacture this engine (same 790 engine, thinned walls and no ride by wire, plus some clutch and gearbox changes). Yamaha has also started a company, 50/50 owned by CF Moto. Manufacturers will keep their top lines local, and produce low-mid tiers in China.

@roelfkromhout

Ай бұрын

@@alix6028hmm given the cam disintegration issues the 790 and 890 have, it might be smarter to pass on this bike as well (if it is indeed the KTM engine).

@thmsprbr

Ай бұрын

@@roelfkromhoutkove claims it’s not the same engine

@RichardS-qh8mi

Ай бұрын

It’s a reworked KTM unit - apparently they’ve addressed the CF Moto issues and improved it considerably. If this is confirmed then I’m likely to buy this bike, with 95bhp and that low weight it should be a serious weapon and do just about everything reasonably. My days of having lots of different class bikes are over, just want one bike that is fun whatever you’re doing.

someone check that weight figure. almost too good to be true

@stevebiron3036

Ай бұрын

They are "MORE" than accurate. I've ridden this bike...f'n amazing.

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

It's right, 185kg wet. Low COG too. It's a feat of engineering.

@chrishart8548

Ай бұрын

​@aderiley6592 more likely 185kg dry for an 800cc. Don't see how it's possible to be so light

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

​@chrishart8548 I had a good chat with Lee on the Kove stand at the ABR festival, 185kg wet weight is what he stated, and I've got absolutely no reason to doubt him. Especially after looking in detail at how well designed and engineered the rest of the bike is. I didn't go into all the weight saving measures Kove have used, but they've definitely saved a chunk of weight compared to other manufacturers for sure with things like a lithium battery as standard. There's bound to be numerous other intelligent design solutions around the bike that's no doubt made the difference too. Seriously, go to Kove, check one out in the flesh, and chuck every question you've got at them, they'll answer the lot in great detail. It's a helluva bike.

@cosmozh

Ай бұрын

A Greek did it, 191.5 kg…..

Very nice indeed but when you put it in for service will it be months waiting for parts ?

Really looking forward to seeing this in the flesh

The old saying goes "Cheap, Light, Strong....Choose two" I wonder if Kove will prove the saying wrong?

The bike looks great. I wonder if Kove will still be in business a year from now and where you are going to get parts for it.

@JIMWSMITH

Ай бұрын

Maybe you should do some research kove ain't playing at this.

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

They're in it for keeps I reckon. Next day parts delivery too apparently, if required. They've certainly got the financial backing to do it right. Check out the company back story, bleddy inspiring. They took 3 of their 450 rally bikes to Dakar...and all 3 finished on their debut 🤯❤️‍🔥

@jonwoodworker

Ай бұрын

@aderiley6592 where are you getting your information? There are no next day parts delivery, you would be lucky to get a part in a month or two. And two years ago they had 3 finish Dakar, last year was a holy debacle. Their founder and CEO left the company early this year. They will be lucky to last the end of the year.

@jonwoodworker

Ай бұрын

@JIMWSMITH Tell me oh wise one, where has your research led you to believe "they ain't playing at this?" Or are you referring to the success they are having at creating garbage and paying youtubers to push their clown bike. Sounds like you should be doing some research before you open your pie hole again.

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

@jonwoodworker info comes straight from Lee on the Kove stand at the ABR festival, who I talked to for around an hour last weekend. You?

Love the cowl and headlights design. Sold on the lightness too.

Hurry up and put some pressure on the market here in Australia Kove 👌

@charliequach6399

10 күн бұрын

If we have this 800X in Australia next month for $15000 AUD and I like it after a test ride, I'd definitely buy one.

Excellent bike geometry! A true midweight off road oriented adv bike. I hope this bike to come quality and reliable. Well done KOVE 👍

If this comes in at the weight mentioned, I’m in 😎

How much suspension travel does it have?

If Ktm or any other company were to compete the price would just be so much more expensive, very impressed. Please also review the 450 rally.

Looks and sounds awesome!

What do you guys think about reliability? Do you think if well maintained can go 100k km with out a problem like a Honda motor like Africa twin ?

That looks like a fantastic bike. If its reliability proves up to par, it'll be a real contender.

If this bike proves to be true to its claim than it would be quite crazy. I am planning on getting a tenere but if this gets to my country and it's that much cheaper I really might get this...

Really interested in this bike, I have a ktm790 r from new, 23000 miles never had a issue with it, do like the kove design and looks, but not impressed with bash plate directly fastened to engine, same with crash bars, not sure once you've addressed these points it's going to be much lighter feeling than my current 790,given also were the fuel sits on ktm, but the price is very tempting, just wish it had cruise and quick shifter.

Those are some really smart crash bars.

I believe there are 3 versions of this model. One extreme off-road, called the rally, with very tall seat, another called the super adventure for touring, that takes luggage, and the standard. A wet weight of 185 kg, with 20 litre petrol tank is amazing. Could anyone clarify, where the weight was saved, and verify the existence of the 3 variants !? Thanks.

@stevebiron3036

Ай бұрын

There are only "2" variants that I know of and I've been following this for over a year. Weights are real.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

There are indeed 3 variants. The lower one has low end suspension. One way they ditched weight was by thinning the walls of the 790 KTM engine. They also made changes to the clutch and gearbox and used classic throttle wire, not sure if it was for weight reduction.

@davidmallia628

Ай бұрын

@@constantinosschinas4503One obvious way to lose weight is to have the frame in aluminium. Is this the case here!?? The engine is aluminium, already. Saving material on the engine may cause reliability issues.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

@@davidmallia628 Frame is Steel for all versions, they say. Rally version has single front brake and lighter rims. Since the 800X Pro version has been weighted by Gree Magazine Moto, to be 191.5Kg with fuel, it means it is less than 169Kg dry. And Kove says Rally version is 16Kg lighter, sto 153Kg dry?????

That thing is a killer...looks great too.

Interesting bike. Anyway, so, KTM, how's that outsourcing production to China going for ya?

After seeing those spoke wheel casing that reminded me of 450 Himalayan from RE.

The best thing i ve ever bought...as the days pass it s getting better and better...

finally it arrives !!! I am amazed at the price, baffled somewhat too - the 450 rally from kove is the same cost, hmmm, weird. that massive pipe wants gettin rid, be much nicer decatted - welcome kove, the rest best be ready because this is going to be popular....

Best new bike I have seen last 10 years.

Cable operated throttle? Explains the no quickshifter but seems an odd choice when you're then throwing traction control, plus a tft with bluetooth and all the gear on it

How have they managed to get to that weight ? My Tuono 660 gets 181Kg but that’s less capacity and it’s a road bike so no long travel forks

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

Among other things, they have thinned the walls of the KTM 790 engine it utilises. It also does not use rider by wire but normal... steel wire, which i guess should make it a tad heavier.

@kouvanos

Ай бұрын

Titanium exhaust and based aluminium parts

Awesome video! Didn't Kove race at Dakar and all 3 riders finished? Best!

@stevebiron3036

Ай бұрын

4 riders. 3 in 23' and 1 or 2 this year.

How much suspension travel thou??? That's extremely important.

Good supply of spare parts World Wide ?

Got to test ride it couple of days ago and it's really nice overall. But the catalytic converter getting in the way of my heel when standing up was a significant issue for me, basically I was unable to ride standing up on the balls of my feet.

I've been interested in this bike the moment I heard about its party trick with the weight. Like many others I have a hard time believing the figures quoted. However, if they are accurate and reports are coming in that its around 191kg wet measured by real world riders, then I would like to know where they have saved all that weight. My worry is that it has been saved in areas that make the bike less save like paper thin steel tubes for example. I think I'll keep an eye on this one and see whether any quality issues surface, but if NOT I would certainly go for this bike next year if and when they become available in Australia.

The thing that Kove is missing are dealers. When I looked into the Dakar style bike, they only have 4 dealers and no where I could demo one.

how does one solve the RIGHT HEEL hitting the exhaust thing...?? that also pisses me of when I ride my Tenere

KTM has been historically known to have the lightest models, how has this one so severely under-cut the weight, it'll be interesting to find out.

@chrishart8548

Ай бұрын

Looks like the dry weight of a ktm 790. I just don't see how 185kg could be the wet weight.

@1998TDM

Ай бұрын

There in lies the rub. I would love to have a close look at one. I noticed when the foot peg was mentioned and the camera focused on it that they are very shallow / thin. No doubt it's a good bike but I suspect serious riders will very quickly put the weight back on before they launch it into the scenery.

@benniewenniger2075

Ай бұрын

Dry weight

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

@@snupermoto723 800X Pro Rally version is 169Kg dry, according to factory. It has narrower rims with different spokes and only one disc brake in front. Greek Magazine Moto has weighted 800X Pro version 191.5Kg with all fluids and fuel. That would mean less that 169Kg dry which seems lower than the Rally version which is supposed to be 16kg lighter that the X pro. If we combine all the above, Rally version should be 177.5Kg wet, and under 153Kg dry!!???

@1QuickSlovak

Ай бұрын

@@chrishart8548 Right and with a metal rear rack/grab bar and engine bars coming standard. Just can't see how the can undercut the price AND cut weight AND make it reliable with 95hp.

800X Rally is 20KG lighter than this.. I hope this brand landed their sales in my country Malaysia. Cant wait !

That screen is huge. Can you display maps from your phone on the screen?

Hmmm! Looks impressive a priori. Reliability would be the question surrounding it the first months and years. Inevitable for a new bike.

Why on a fall over type bike is there a welded on sub frame …

I'm looking around this size bike and have no concerns with Chinese bikes having had a Zontes for 3 years with no problems at all. BUT this is a high seat at 875 for us shorties , think they've missed a trick there cos it rules me out. CF Moto 800 T is 825 , Benelli TRK 702X is 835 . Shame , as I prefer this for many reasons.

Quickshift sensor removed for euro spec. Easily added but gives up shift only.

Kove along with cf moto are really taking things seriously. There certainly producing great products and kove completing the dakar proves there products are upto the job. Maybe people will start to realise these companies are here to stay. I wish them success.

@cosmozh

Ай бұрын

Don’t forget VOGE

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

CF Moto officially produces all KTM 790s (including duke and duke 390), they manufacture all parts and deliver full bikes to KTM, and they have also started a 50/50 project company with Yamaha. They are definetely here to stay.

What about dealers across the country. Not many I think. So important with all the electronics on modern bikes not to mention servicing of course to keep warranty validity.

Interesting bike indeed.

Where do I put my deposit

There are hundreds of Chinese motorcycle manufacturers, until recently only four were exporting to Europe. Looks like that is changing no doubt with encouragement from the Chinese government

Looking interesting as I look for a replacement for my 990. If it did not have those twin headlights, I'd be in. That setup is dangerous at night and especially at night in foggy/wet conditions. That twin beam looks like a car at a greater distance and just begs to be pulled out in front of. I had a Cagiva with that setup....never again.

I think this Kove will do to the adventure segment what the original Honda Fireblade did to the supersport class in 1992. Rewrite the rules

@TheRealBhuado

Ай бұрын

only difference is that honda is honda. and kove is a chinese brand under a huge umbrella that changes hands every few years...

so no heated grips or cruise control....?

@KevinDaken

Ай бұрын

And no quick shifter. Excellent, less bollocks to go wrong, you can't have a class leading weigh with a swag of toys...

for those who are curious about the weight: the body structure of this bike is totally different from the major brand. And the engine plays a role as part of the frame. Many chinese bikers think Kove did a good job at weight control and they are happy with its performance. But the reliability is what keeps people stand watching.

@Blockbuster2033

Ай бұрын

The engine plays a role in the structure of 99% of all modern bikes, that's not the reason why this one is lighter.

@chrishart8548

Ай бұрын

​@Blockbuster2033 what is the reason it's so light ?

@Blockbuster2033

Ай бұрын

@@chrishart8548 Idk man. I'm an engineer, but not the engineer of this exact bike so, no idea what the did to pull it off.

Worth....£8.5k new, £4.5k in 1 year's time, £2.5k in 2 year's time , £1.5k in 3 year's time, £0 in 4 year's time.

No need for a screen with a TFT display that big!

If they made it without all the tech I wouldn't care about reliability and dealer network, id buy one right now

I am still interested in that motor which is very clearly a KTM LC8c 790 motor. Have they licensed it? Have they cloned it? The weight also seems quite insane. Someone here in the comments mentioned it has been weight by greek motomag at 191.5kg fully fueled. That's 12kg (around 25lbs) lighter than the Tenere 700. Biggest question with this Kove will be reliability. They clearly didn't even bother to properly translate the menus. Otherwise it honestly makes a good impression. But one does wonder, what else they didn't bother doing other than the translation. As much as I personally hate the Chinese government and Chinese sentiment, I'd like this bike to do well. It's a great bike on paper and they clearly put a lot of work into it.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

All KTM 790s (included 790 and 390 dukes) are manufactured and assembled as complete bikes in CF Moto factory. Same with this engine, not sure about the whole bike. Kove engine is with thinner walls and various other changes like classic wire throttle, different clutch and gearbox.

@Blockbuster2033

Ай бұрын

​@@constantinosschinas4503So what you're saying is they licensed the design from KTM and did some changes to it and it gets manufactured by CF-Moto? Let's see how this turns out. I am quite interested.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

@@Blockbuster2033 What i am saying is KTM sells CFMoto bikes, under the KTM logo. Designed by KTM, made by CF. Kove manufactures the 800x engine at CFMoto as well (not sure about the whole bike).

@Blockbuster2033

Ай бұрын

@@constantinosschinas4503 Yeah I know about the CF-Moto and KTM situation and what your saying is definitely not correct. KTM has developed and designed the 790s and they do the QC on the 790s assembly line. Most likely they set up the assembly line together with CF-Moto. CF-Moto just provides the infrastructure and workforce. So it's not a CF-Moto bike sold under the KTM name. It is a KTM sold under the KTM name, but manufactured by CF-Moto under the direction of KTM. On top of that, CF-Moto has their own bikes, developed and designed by themselves, using motors from the KTM assembly line. Those are CF-Motos with a KTM motor. For Kove however, I've not seen an official statement about the whole situation. Obviously they designed the bike themselves, and according to you, they use a modified KTM motor. If it's modified however, it needs a different assembly line and costs a lot more than the standard KTM motor (new castings, different parts, all with a lower volume). I honestly doubt they set up a second assembly line for the Kove 790 motor within CF-Motor. Maybe the use the same assembly line, but for a part of the time. Or maybe they just cloned it and build it somewhere else.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

@@Blockbuster2033 We say exactly the same thing. But when people say oh it's chinese, it is important to underline that KTM 790s are, manufacturing wise, CFmotos. They are made in China and that shocks people. Who exactly did what in terms of design or design for manufacturing is details for them. What is to fight for anyway? KTMs never had a reputation of being the most or easy to maintain or reliable bikes, unless something changed in the past years which i am not aware of. Japanese bikes still prevail in quality and reliability, at least in people's perception. Now that Yamaha is also cooperating with CF, we will see.

A bit excited considering you haven't ridden it yet.

Maybe they will urge KTM to address some of their issues... when a newby enters the market with initially a good spec it can dpun the market place and attract peoples with money in their pocket.. obviously like anything longevity is the long term bench marker for any bike like realiability, capability and longevity and then price..... i ride a T7 as a newby but the lightness of this has made me mildly moist .... Like the vid sais... aftermarket guff is forthcoming to help manufacture deficients.... watch this space....🤔

Saw it at the ABR , have to say looked and felt very impressive, Great price and spec but time will tell how they last but best of luck to them 👍👏🫡

That weight = extremely interested.

I cannot believe a 185kg kerb weight with that spec. Is it all made of carbon fibre? With only enough oil for 100 miles between services? Get it on a set of scales

@delusion2987

Ай бұрын

191.5kg weighed by greek motomag. tenere 700 was 204kg on the same scales.

@stevebiron3036

Ай бұрын

Weights are accurate.

@nockianlifter661

Ай бұрын

@@delusion2987That sounds more like it.

Is it the KTM 790 engine?

Great. Now lets wait for 20 years to see how it lasts!

Together with the Aprilia Touareg best looking bikes in their class

The problem is that nobody still understand where the weight savings coming from and how it would influence long term run of the machine ...

Is the weight confirmed? Android auto apple carplay? Cruise ontrol?

Kove and GPX {sister company, dealer} and most Chinese companies have been notorious for lying bout wet weights, worse than KTM. Their 300/450 models were listed at 247 lbs and weighing one ready to ride they would come in at 275 or 282 lb's. U can 100% expect the same with this.

First chinese bike I am eager to try.

Yet I am about to buy Fazer 600 2003...

Also please don't compare it with KTM890ADV its 2 leagues below. It can compete with Tenere, CF MOTO 800x and similar. Maybe Aprilia Tuareg but I doubt it.

The issue here might not be price or spec but the fact that it can connect t to YOUR PHONE. Can it be ridden without connecting to your phone? Our phones carry more sensitive information than our passports. I’ve been caught by Insta 360, a great device which to use I gave up access to my phone and who knows what else. Take care people.

Chinese are really stepping up their game in motorcycle industry

Not a huge fan of this brand but they’re becoming harder and harder to ignore. Specs of this bike are decent, if reliability is there… 👍🏻

Everybody is looking at wet weight, which looks impressive (185Kg). But nobody is checking of how much load it can carry (max load) !!! They shaved from max load, making a thinner frame, etc. And you can not carry a lot of bags... while being an adv. bike...

It looks much like the Aprilia engine....in terms of design and sound..

For anyone interested in a shoulder-to-shoulder comparasion between KTM790 and KOVE800X, a Chinese moto-blogger has already made a thorough review ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYmH2tmBetXamto.html , English Sub Available, probably the most detailed video for this KOVE 800X in KZread). Verdict being KOVE800X has a indeed a much slimmer figuer and reasonable mechanic performance though it lacks some electronic gadgets that KTM owns

We'll see in a decade.

Put a B.M.W. badge on it and the Sheeple would pay double for it!!🙊

I was against purchasing Chinese made motorcycles but if all these legacy bike brands are going to make their bikes in China, showing them how to step up the quality in manufacturing while taking advantage of the WAY cheaper cost of manufacturing and then still charge these premium prices, well then, I might as well cut out the middle man and buy direct from KOVE and CFMOTO and save some money for the same quality.

Even stock t7 has better suspension than this. Dont get it twisted. Price reflects quality. Breaks, plastics, rust protection. This make is well established in my home country and i see similar patern. Loads of sponsored youtube videos trying to convince us how great of make and value for money bikes are these. Give it half a year and we will see loads of owners complaining in videos titled 'things i wish to know before i bought xyz"

Motor looks very CF Moto like. Is it or a KTM copy?

❤182wet is my xf Suzuki 650 so is just great 800 90+ hp😊

Just a kind note to the cameraman. Hire a female host to explain all the parts, otherwise try to focus the camera on the motorcycle. The subject here, is the motorcycle (no offense to the wonderful host). We really want to see the motorcycle!

That's a lot of hoon for the money.

I really hope this pushes Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda to put tubeless wheels on their bikes. There really is no excuse for having tubes on an adventure bike in this day and age. And for God sakes, what is Kawasaki waiting for? When are they going to get in the adventure game?

No quickshifter No deal

Its Chinese

@stephenedwards3397

Ай бұрын

So what? Morons used to talk about Jap crap and look how that turned out.

@cosmozh

Ай бұрын

Triumph is a Thai…. BMW parallel Twins are made by Loncin, a Chinese factory to.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

All KTM 790s are produced in China, by CFMoto. Also Duke and 390 Duke, this bike as well.

@AussieDazza

Ай бұрын

@@constantinosschinas4503All the KTM Parallel twin engines are made by CF Moto as well including the Husky 901 engine. The bikes are then assembled in Europe.

@lachlancannard

Ай бұрын

The 390s are made in India. ​@@constantinosschinas4503

Looks like duke 790 engine

@martythompson6509

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's made by Loncin. So could be similar to the BMW F900 engine. I had an F900XR and that rattly motor sure sounds the same as that did.

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

KTM bottom end with a completely re-engineered top end done for Kove by a company in the US, to overcome the known KTM cam issues.

@constantinosschinas4503

Ай бұрын

CFMoto produces all 790 Ktm's, including duke and 390 duke. Also produces Kove 800 engine but with many differences in electronics, wall thickness, clutch, gearbox, etc. But in it's core it is the same KTM engine by the same (CFMoto) KTM manufacturer.

@Jonathan-L

Ай бұрын

@@aderiley6592 How do you know that? If that's true, then that would be a bigger selling point than the bike's price or weight.

@aderiley6592

Ай бұрын

​@@Jonathan-L I visited the Kove stand at the ABR festival last week and discussed the 800 at length with the guys running the stand there.

Does it connect with a smartphone app like TicToc and will it report back to the CCP?

another really useful MCN piece, NOT, you said nothing i wasnt saying over 2 years ago

I hope that Yamaha wakes up and shaves 30kg from their heavy T700. It makes no sense that the Tenere is such a heavy pig.

@tommyinoz2100

Ай бұрын

the only adv bike in this class which is lighter than the T7 is the Touareg 660, KTM, Honda Ducati all heavier. On the other side the T7 lasts, KTM has engine problems, and Love/CFM has to prove itself

@sys-administrator

Ай бұрын

@@tommyinoz2100 The Touareg 660 is also heavier than it should be. It weighs 30 kilos more than the previous version

@tommyinoz2100

Ай бұрын

@@sys-administrator even the CFMOTO 450 weights 196 kg with full tank. Got my T7 down to 190 full, but I think its limit how low you can go with a bike which is able to take the abuse over years and decades.

@chrishart8548

Ай бұрын

​@sys-administrator what was the previous version ?

@sys-administrator

Ай бұрын

@@chrishart8548 The Touareg 600 from back in the 1990s was 170kg wet. The new 660 model is 205kg. Both with 18 liters of fuel capacity.

Noticeably cheap and lightweight products coming out of China (or anywhere really) usually means the quality is garbage. With some products you can take the risk, but with a motorcycle? No thanks. Good luck to the early adopters.

I don't believe 185 kg wet is true. Less than CF Noto 450. Put them both on a scale please.

This doesn’t look like it’s going to be cheap in the US market. Tenere 700 is about $11k. Kove will be $14k here. It comes in slightly more affordable than the KTM Adventure R but not enough to make it very compelling from a price perspective here.

@stevebiron3036

Ай бұрын

Retail is $9999. US. You may be referring to the race 800 Rally which is a race bike at $13.9 k

@sys-administrator

Ай бұрын

It's below the Tenere 700 in various EU countries so I doubt they will price it above the Tenere 700 in the US