Todd gets away with a lot of elbow fouls, with the king's move.

@kyleisom962

3 жыл бұрын

So does Bagent without the kings move

Outlawing the kings move would ruin Michael's carrier forever.

@ajkorras

6 жыл бұрын

He has an amazing career already?

@kasparov9

6 жыл бұрын

Michael IS the King's Move, ending it would End him.

@sophiefranas

5 жыл бұрын

Humam Slayer good

@chrispowell763

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO no doubt!

@dieseljunky8505

5 жыл бұрын

@@ajkorras only amazing career he has is laying down. Hes the undertable

Listen, we hate Todd because he uses the move only because he has a bone lock in his arm, and when he uses the king's move, his bone lock saves him from being pinned. All you people defending him and saying it's his bicep locking, that's impossible. Sorry to tell you. He broke his arm multiple times, and it reformed into what it his now to keep him from bending it when it is compromised. What he does isn't fair and it's bullshit.

@ryanbluebowen

6 жыл бұрын

Bottom line...his pronation still needs to be strong enough to stop people forcing him into a hook.

@pwfavox

5 жыл бұрын

The King's Move By healthy People Agreed., However Credit is due to someone with a busted up ARM Adapting to How He can Still Keep Armwrestling. However What is Called; The King's Move Never Effected me. The Way I see-it is; If your going to Beat someone It Doesn't matter How They try to Cheat. Peace.

@MagnumMuscle1000

5 жыл бұрын

You sound like a crybaby. Todd uses a legal move that works for his particular anatomy. That's smart, not cheating. It's no different than Oleg using his massive forearm.

@pwfavox

5 жыл бұрын

Magnum Muscle That’s What I-Said lol ✌️💪✌️

@bernhardkrainz9143

5 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you!!👌🏼✌🏼

This move is dirty, lame and terrible for the sport.

@anonanonymous8397

6 жыл бұрын

Your attitude is lame and terrible for the sport.

@gian2627

5 жыл бұрын

Anon you are moron

@ShinerBock2007

5 жыл бұрын

@French Frys well fucking said.....remove this "move"...and force a rematch with Todd ABOVE the table...he would lose in about 2 seconds or less to Devon..I also praise you for watching it all again and posting timestamps...it was cringe inducing to watch that cheater "win". To me if you use the "Kings move" your match is null and void and you are disqualified....rematch!!!!!!

Yes legal move but MT doesn't exactly execute it properly. His elbow is no longer on the pad and its his tricep on the pad. Also coming off the pad they let him do it and they should call foul immediately. Make him work at either doing it properly and knowing he's not going to get away with sloppy arm wrestling or he should just retire!

Todd's "under the table" Kingsmove is very effective most of the time, but it never worked against Brzenk, John always managed to drive straight through it. lol

@acousticmario6109

5 жыл бұрын

Cardette powered through it too.

@isithardtobevegan53

5 жыл бұрын

just Shane it is unbelievable to me that Brzenk was never bothered by king’s move when facing Todd

@brucedressel8873

5 жыл бұрын

You mad little feller ?

@brentlionakaboldchamp

5 жыл бұрын

just Shane Michael is too powerful today, though.

A simple solution wouldn't be to ban it, but to add that BOTH shoulders need to be completely above the table at all times. If you go below, you get a running foul, etc.

@IrelandVonVicious

5 жыл бұрын

Or add if your arm touches the table instead of the pad it's a disqualification.

@insolentish4529

5 жыл бұрын

Well the vast majority drop one shoulder to the side below the table during a pin... You basically have to

Just seeing that last match at WAL 406 with Devon and Todd, have to agree with you that having a referee not calling for keeping the shoulder higher than the table and/or elbow on the mat is a real issue for this sport. Also, this is arm wrestling and not break the bone wrestling. If your arm is straight, you lose. If the sport keeps going in this direction, I’m afraid it will go back to a bar sport for another decade. What Todd was allowed to get away with at WAL 406 recently was a black eye to the sport and the WAL organization needs to make it right. A good example of how the kings move is more trouble than its worth. That said, also look at FIFA and the corruption of referees and how it has damaged the sport-I’d rather watch MLS. Who knows the ref could have been paid off at WAL 406 to fix match(s) and so we may have 2 significant problems with this sport and that isn’t good to get the sport off the ground in the U.S.

I hate this move and it definitely should be outlawed. It’s not pulling.

Almost no one will be able to pull off a kingsmove because most people never had enough trauma on their joints to the point their arms can't open properly. How many times has Todd torn his tendons/bicep and had it reattached? I don't even think he knows the exact number. Thanks why I think the move should be illegal. It's basically unfair use of a handicap. I think it's already an illegal move in Russia. Cyplenkov lost to Liliev that one time when Cyplenkov tried a kingsmove and the referee pushed his shoulder up.

Arm wrestling should not involve someone nearly kneeling down under the table.

Armwrestling took a hit when MT did that shit at the CrossFit games. No audience wants to see that shit and I don’t blame them

You didn’t really address one of the main arguments against the kings move: elbow too often comes off the pad. You’re only “arguments” for the kings move were (1) that it’s hard and most people that hate the move can’t do it. That is attacking the debater and not their argument. (2) Other people get away with “cheating” /breaking the rules so why can’t Todd bring his shoulder below the table. That is a horrible argument. When you use other people breaking rules to justify you breaking rules, you create larger issue of having a culture that accepts accepts cheating,which is bad for the sport.

Yes. Because I have a hard enough time convincing my mates that dropping your body a bit still counts as arm wrestling - let alone dropping your body weight under the table n going no wait- my elbow is still on the pad! It’s stupid. It’s arm wrestling. Not hang off the table until they get tired arm wrestling. If it’s a strength n technique sport - let it sit in that order

yes ban it. it's not arm wrestling. it's hanging off someone's arm until they give up.

The Under the table move

What's funny is that Cyplenkov has a bone lock in both arms as well, cause of his condition. And he also uses it to his advantage. But He doesn't crawl under the table to do so.

@dagan8659

5 жыл бұрын

totally different.

It is not arm wrestling anymore...what a shame that someone like you who is in the sport does not see this... it is not that it's a cheap move... it's just not arm wrestling...The casual fans will stop watching with this kind of competition...what a joke! And can the referees be more shit and biased? I don't think so...

@hhiippiittyy

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm a recent fan, a definite casual. I think it's boring. It feels more like a staring contest than a consistant struggle of power and technique.

@brentlionakaboldchamp

5 жыл бұрын

speedgoat 88 Most casual fans think that moving your body with your arm or sliding your elbow and putting your shoulder behind your arm is a cheat move, as well. The king's move does not bother me. I see it as a challenge i would overcome. I'd use it myself if it helped to keep me from getting pinned. Im trying to win, in a legal way. Thats smart, really.

absolutely should be banned

I agree with lots of the comments and some of the video. To the video, I agree that it should be allowed, but I disagree with the challenge of "If you think it's cheating and it's so easy, then you try it and see what happens." Presumably the idea here is that "trying it" could easily yield a loss to the objector and thus make him realize that the move isn't as easy to perform as it may appear. This is faulty logic. Just as using PEDs doesn't guarantee me victory in an MMA fight, or using a corked bat in the MLB won't guarantee me a home run every at bat doesn't mean those things shouldn't be outlawed. Plenty of things are still hard, even if you cheat. The merits should be on the legality of the move, not the guarantee of the outcome. To the comments, I agree that the move ought to be legal, but I also think Todd takes it to a different and gross level, and yes is bad for the sport. I think the move is ok as it stands and ought to be allowed, but, as someone said below, it should be far more and better regulated than it is, and certainly should've been in the match with Larratt. Todd's elbow at points was completely off the fucking pad! If your forearm or tiny sliver of the side of your elbow is all that's left on the pad, you get an elbow foul or lose. That was bullshit. His elbow was so far off the pad and his arm so far extended beyond the pin zone, it was nearly impossible for Devon to push any farther while keeping his OWN elbow legally on his OWN pad! The whole thing was a fucking disgrace and shouldn't have been allowed to happen that way. I think they should really take a look at this moving forward.

The move is fine as long as their elbow stays on the pad. Michael Todd's elbow is clearly off the pad in some matches. The refs need to be more strict in their regulation.

100% Yes! Why in the world would we want to teach up and coming arm wrestling such a ridiculous and dangerous move!

@dawhat84

6 жыл бұрын

Good post. finally someone thinking the big picture like king willy. it seems to be the way those that don't care about others feel. sad actually.

Michael Todd has not mastered the move. He has mastered getting away with cheating during the kings move. Both shoulders often below the table, elbow constantly off the pad and tricep often resting on the pad. Nearly every match ive watched of Michael Todd he breaks the rules and the refs never call fouls on him. Thats my issue with it. Should be stricter rules that dont allow so much slack that guys like Todd use to their advantage. As you mentioned everyone gets away with something every now and then but I cant even watch Todd wrestle anymore because its such a joke.

@genomc63

5 жыл бұрын

Best comment on here....Todd routinely breaks the rules as they are written....refs need to enforce!

Shirt says it all ''I'd rather armwrestle''

Look at 98% of the comments here. These are the zealots of the sport and they hate this move. This is a spectator sport. The refs are not calling the shoulder below the pad. That's all that needs to be done. If the refs can't do that, it must be banned for the good of the sport.

@mikepreston-engel8869

5 жыл бұрын

I like your comment. Please read mine and tell me what you think. And your screenname...LOLOL...wouldn't Ellis Boyd Redding be a little less creepy? Elmo Blatch...LOLOL...cool.

@Desneaky.larrat

5 жыл бұрын

so u r also a pussys move user like todd because of no arm strength ...like a transgender.

Kings move should be limited. Michael todd is a donut. His style crap

I had no idea what the Kingsmove was, but I had a sneaking suspicion Michael Todd would be mentioned.

Kings move is not a cheating move, but the only cheating move is how Michael exploits and uses the pad as his advantage. The amount of times he gets away with so many elbow fouls is crazy.

What year did Todd start with the King's move??

If the olecranon is clearly off the mat with space in between is this armwrestling anymore?

That shirt would be so good for a lawyer.

What im curious about with george and michael is are their elbows hinged in a way that does not allow their arms to bend? I remember seeing a video of michael todd saying that his move isnt a bone lock, if its not a bone lock what exactly is going on inside his arm? I have no problem with the move either btw i give just as much props no matter the style, that includes jerry cadoret. that huge norweigan strongman that i forget the name of, or anyone else with a unique style. If it fits in the rules its all good, some styles are just prettier than others.

The irony of having the cheapest, lamest, stupidest move be called the King's move...

Did u forget that Michael can't straighten his arm. He sits on his bone lock untill you get tired

Kings move = queens move

besides my little disagreement with this move I like your channel. you seem sincere about what you do and that's a good thing.. . Good luck getting to 10,000+ subs.

Ok but whatever that elbow as to stay within the pad and judges should definitely be paying attention to.!

Once a competitor's arm is locked straight it should count as a pin.

Guy has a point, Kings Move should be legal. Also in Nascar and F1 racing the lead car shouldn't go fast, it should just drive really slowly in a way where nobody can pass them. See its all about being patient, and it takes a lot of skill for the lead car to go so slowly and still not let anyone pass.

Btw, Ryan, I just discovered your channel and it's great, very informative. Can you point me to other good armwrestling channels on youtube?

@ryanbluebowen

6 жыл бұрын

Armwrestling TV, NBK Media Productions, ToprollKing Production are a few of my favourites :) Thanks for watching :)

King's move will ultimately devalue the integrity of the sport. Mad props to Devon Larrett who has fought and fairly dominated for years.

It should be outlawed 100%this isn't body wrestling he shouldn't be holding a hammer it's arm wrestling!!Damn queen's move!!

Todd wouldn't win another match if they outlawed that move.

Theres 3 reasons people hate on Todd about "his" version of the Kings move 1 his arm doesn't extend the same way due the arm break he had 2 his shoulder is under the table A LOT 3 his elbow is usually off the pad

Watch this, kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6qXypuDncq6j5c.html how Trubin kills the Kings move. Todd waits for the breather and then gets behind the opponents hand by moving the elbow superfast once. After that Trubin understood it and he won't allow Todd to get into a low angle shoulder lock (a la Larratt). Trubin also has his elbow close to the inner edge (look at his video with Brzenk), and at the "Go", slides it to the side to get a wide angle for a leveraged press. I don't think it is easy to press all of Todds weight, but Trubin does it, and forces Todd to "Get out from under the table, lest his elbow breaks", and Trubin has the strength to break the elbow on a kings move.

Relax, everyone will love the Kingsmove if Devon starts using it more often :D

@quixotic3344

4 жыл бұрын

Srsly, the move is fine as long they use the elbow only. Oftentimes they use the upper arm, too.

This sport with or without the kings move will never be as mainstream as fans would like it to be. There just isn't enough entertainment created in an arm wrestling match for mass appeal.

I just watched John destroy Todd even with his Kings Move in UAL 8... "Where you goin buddy?1" LOL

The fact that the king's move is unbeatable should be the exact reason it's banned.

The kings move should be illegal, that is the only way michael todd can win. I wish they will ban it.

There's only one way to stop a kings move *BREAK THAT FRICKIN HAND* !

I’m a firm believer that if your arm is fully extended you lost even if it can only go so far due to whatever reason. I use to think it was a bitch move. I’ve moved past that and don’t look down on the people who utilize it rather just the move itself

It should not be outlawed, but definitely reformed in the rules, both shoulders should be above table at all times.

Excellent points made here. I get frustrated seeing Todd when he is in the basement and his armpit is on the pad instead of his elbow. The King's Move is a very much legal but so is having your elbow on the pad.

Me and my babies line yo play a version of this, called Peep Eye...

Ryan who would win between Michael Todd and Crazy George in a match ? In which direction do you think that match would go ? They use that very similar technique I know Michael is a lot heavier but I have NEVER seen George's arm/hand pinned...I only saw Devon like kind of "paralleling" him... Travis Bagent, Mike Gould & many other much heavier superheavyweights failed against Crazy George...

@ryanbluebowen

6 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see it. Lol. It'd be a very very entertaining match. I think MT would eventually win with a press....MT probably has too much horsepower there. But if you took his press out of the game and just went with outside moves....my gosh it'd be entertaining

@tagada7

6 жыл бұрын

THANKS for your answer ! ➡I was thinking the exact same thing bro !! We all know that George can't toproll MT but neither can Michael toproll George. ➡Because if one of them tries to toproll the other one, he would lose his hand when hitting onto the other one's pronation & bone lock. SO the only way for Michael would be like u said to use his triceps press (dead wrist or hook press) but ALL guys I watched trying to defeat George with a press failed (including much heavier guys). But I guess Michael's press would be enough to "parallel" George.

@jodywilliams7794

6 жыл бұрын

Anthony Dall Antonia from Vancouver, Canada has beaten Crazy George's move. They is to be patient. For some reason everyone is in such a hurry to beat that move.

@tagada7

6 жыл бұрын

Yes you're right ! :) he beat him by catching his fingers and because of Anthony's crazy strong grip, George wasn't able to slip out. I saw another match between them where George got the slip, they went to straps and it was the same story once Anthony was in a strap with him... But I'm convinced that John Brzenk can pin George. I remember back in 2014 after his match against Mask, John went to practice against George and he was clearly making George's hand touch the pad. No one else in the world can do that to George (maybe Trubin & Gasparini now)

There needs to be a more discernible method for judges to make sure that guys are not dropping too low below the table. But we have the same thing with elbow fouls, sometimes fouls are missed. It would be a bad thing to take away the creative aspect of the sport, but I have replayed matches were these really quick starting guys come off the pad and still get the win. I am all for explosive starts, but elbows got to stay on the pad.

I had to Google this move. Would have loved a picture being shown or a video. Some of us are just curious about the sport but have no idea of what your talking about.

Kings move is totally fine if it's done within the rules. Not with shoulders under the table and the elbow next to the pad though. Then it's not so fine anymore...

The problem is when they are in the kings move and locking their elbow in the side of the pads.

Todd, I believe, relies on the king's move cuz his arm is messed up after having been fractured 70+ times. Check out his older matches, his match against Neil Pickup, I think, well demonstrates what he's capable of without the King's move but also the kind of shit he's been through that lead to his arm getting fractured 70 times and why the king's move is a safer way for him to pull today. His match against Dirk Schenker also shows what Todd's capable of

It has its place but it should have a clock placed on it like a shot clock in basketball. If you exceed it you get a foul.

I think it's even more importanter to call out Todd for building a home under the table.

I've always said there's a counter to every move and a counter to every counter. You have to keep trying until you find it. The same move doesn't work for everyone either.

the kings move should only be legal as long as your chest is not under the table

once anyone wants to sit on the floor- they no longer want to engage in arm wrestling- they want to endure and basically wait out their competitors

I've always been very entertained watching Michael Todd!!!! The thing I've noticed is he's became either weaker with his side pressure and or the ability to take the hit from someone really strong without dropping straight into the king's move! If you watch his earlier past matches he didn't use to automatically dive straight into the king's move. He could in the past actually arm wrestler and use other moves but at least to me it seems like he's lost strength . Still love the guy he's a badass !! I do miss his shit talking and stuff that's another thing he's chilled out on , it's probably his age he's definitely looking older as well!

as an interested but untalented observer, it seems like if an arm wrestler's arm is as straight as it will go (I've heard some arm wrestlers can't straighten their arms fully), shouldn't that mean they have lost?

Yes it should be outlawed a 100%

It shouldn't be outlawed. But the referees must enforce the rules. Plus they should put a rule where the elbow must always on top of the pad

Whatever it takes to win

I believe the referees must be more strict with the rules, keep the elbow on the pad

did you see today's game todd's v devon.... this is stupid

The Legend John Brzenk dislikes the Kings move, that alone should tell every one everything they need to know

If you want to practice the kings move just break your arm multiple times and you will master it in no time.

If any part of your arm touches the table it should be a disqualification.

It's the best way to combat someone a foot taller than you

I think you should be limited to a time frame in the king-move or a fowl. It can’t be a go to every match.

Just because the kings move is difficult to pull off doesn’t negate the fact that for most people it’s not relevant to the sport of Armwrestling.

I would never disagree, but what Todd does is not the King's Move, it's the thirsty preacher boy.

Most people hate it, so I say ban it or modify the rules for it. Any time a man's arm is fully extended to it's maximum that should be a pin.

I never saw it till I started watching agin 20 years later. My biggest move was to hold bigger guys and just try and let them wear themselves out. Then id make my move. But like i said ive been out of it for 20+ years.

The kingsmove should have a time limit like 10 seconds and then get a foul

The refs have to be way more aware of keeping the shoulder above the table

As long as the elbow is on top of the pad it should be legal. Todd didn't win against Larette the ref just wasn't watching.

The queens move ! 👸🏼

If you wanna win against a kingsmove do a kingsmove.

the edblow locks on the side of the pad.. so the side of the pad is like a second hand helping the main arm..its like using 2 arms.. in bench press the benchers use the chest strap to help bench 400 pounds more for a world record 1,100.. same way to cheat to get a little extra leverage.. in armwrestling the elbow should be on top of the pad and not on the table off the pad and using the edge of the pad as leverage

King’s move is fine, but Michael Todd put all his weight on the metal table at times, which is a penalty. Also I feel if the arm is completely straight, the arm arm is compromised and should be considered a loss.

You are encouraging a lot of broken arms 😎

If I get Michael Todd's address, this won't be a problem anymore

Michael Todd is the Phil Heath of arm wrestling!

It would be amazing, Todd would quit and cry like a bitch, but first he would try to arm wrestle with normal tactics and get destroyed...outlaw it!

yaaas

Could someone snap his arm doing this? is that very likely? I've seen some serious pressur be put on it before.. it's like the opponent is after a pin by just snapping the arm if he has to. Todd's arm is far more suited for this, than the majority of the viewers..

King's move is not a winning move, it's a not loosing move.

Dont ban the whole adjust the rules like there should always be an angle near 45 degrees for the arms plus shoulders should always be higher than the table and elbows should always be within the pads not around it.

its an unfair leverage because half of his arm is already pinned..

The first matches seemed fine. Todd had a running foul in the last match, where he was using the elbow pad as support. His elbow was literally on the table, leaning against the pad. That is a very serious foul on its own, not even thinking about the other fouls he is in. Devon won that match, the referees failed.

I consider King Movers a movement for the weak