Maybe the long stock was intended to keep the leaky breech a little further away from the shooter's face.

I ran into one of those on the firing line at the N-SSA Nationals about 10 years ago in Winchester VA, and was impressed with how accurate the shooter was with it at 50 yards. I assumed he had relined the barrel and was shocked when he said it was all original. Either he or the gun failed pretty hard at the 100 yards though , he only hit one target and the team went full time at that distance but he could fire that gun faster than most Maynard and smith shooters could for the first 5 or so rounds, after that the gun began to foul out and he had to fight to get it to close.

@nyarvideo

6 жыл бұрын

Actually that makes sense. Many of the surviving copies have their loading levers either bent or broken off and repaired. Obviously soldiers were working hard to keep the gun in action. Still the design is simple and efficient and could have been improved. I read that a handful of reproductions were made by someone named Romano and that the bronze ring actually seals as well as a Sharps.

@southronjr1570

6 жыл бұрын

nyarvideo Yes it does seal very well, Larry Romano is a reproduction firearms manufacturer that specializes in making and accurizing carbines and repeaters for our competitions. The rules require the firearms to be identical to originals in all but rear sights. I have been drooling for one of his first model Maynard for years but since I still have kids living at home, they prefer to eat as opposed to letting me have a beautiful new gun. If you get a chance, check out Romano's guns and our organization. The Web address is www.n-ssa.org, it is the North - South Skirmish Association based in Winchester VA, but we hold matches all over the mid west and east coast and we shoot most all types of weapons used during the war in team competitions firing at frangible targets for score. We have matches for everything from revolvers all the way up to the largest field artillery. Trust me, you know when they show up on the line with a 32pound howitzer.

Just a thought, having the screws farther apart allows for use of lower quality wood without having to worry about the stock cracking

@CommodoreFan64

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that as well considering confederate resources at the time.

@comingsooncharmingruins2429

6 жыл бұрын

Also, these things were going to get jostled around a lot when being holstered side-saddle on a galloping horse. Maybe they were trying their best to see that it could take the beating?

I took one look at that rifle and thought to myself “... wow, that’s pretty keen.”

A shell jacket and kepi would have made the video come together.

I love how the guns in the background get rearranged in every video :P

The breech action looks like a direct copy of the old Hall breechloader. Gotta say, I don't think I'd like to be pushing back a greased but still flammable paper cartridge into that breech during a battle after its hot! Good bye fingertips if it goes off!

You should do the rising breech Confederate carbine and the tarpley Confederate breech loafing carbine also. This was a great video. I wish there was a video for this gun for a really long time actually.

The concept of a mechanism that "probably works well when it's really clean" in a black-powder rifle. You have to laugh.

@snakeysnake758

6 жыл бұрын

The Rogue Wolf Its a pipe bomb with a stock

@MarvinCZ

6 жыл бұрын

I'd say it's no worse than a revolving carbine in this regard. They at least made an attempt at reducing the blow by.

I'd love to see a video on the Tarpley- like the keen-walker it was also a confederate breech loading carbine with the same quaint crudeness that makes these guns so interesting to me

Interesting. Never herad of these (not surprising, with only 282 made). Looks like an iron barrel. I imagine with that loading block, it would be possible to load from sitting or semi-prone, propped up on an elbow maybe. Paper carteidges should facilitate that easily. All a shooter might need would be a ball starter with its few inches of rod. Probably shaves a few seconds off of reload time versus a muzzleloader. Great video as always. Thank you

@JohnnyReb

5 жыл бұрын

Plus it would make the shooter faster than the other guy with a rifle.

Everyone had paper cartridges. They weren't getting their Daniel Boone on with powder horns and loose round balls. It looks primitive yet simple and effective, faster to load than a rifled musket.

Last Week Tonight uploads a video on the Confederacy, then Gun Jesus talks about a confederate carbine. It's gonna be an interesting day.

@vaclav_fejt

6 жыл бұрын

Same here. :-D

@sirzack0002

6 жыл бұрын

Hazztech understandable. Have a nice day.

@JonasC22

6 жыл бұрын

Is that still a comedy show? It's so hard to tell these days.

@YCCCm7

6 жыл бұрын

Well, it dances the line. John Oliver got started on the daily show, and the daily show is largely a matter of taking political things and rolling them up in absurdist humor. It's had its ups and downs, but John Oliver and Stephen Colbert are two that've been able to go far with derivative senses of humor, likely built upon by working at the show for some years.

@ALegitimateYoutuber

6 жыл бұрын

I'll agree last week tonight I thought was better in earlier sessions. Because I felt it talked about rather important issues. But now it seems to be less important matters.

Pretty neat concept for a rifle in that era.

The shape looks like it could be use as a very good club.

@drugaradagad

6 жыл бұрын

And fine canoe paddle.

@possiblyadickhead6653

6 жыл бұрын

Роман Вобан yes

@possiblyadickhead6653

6 жыл бұрын

But maybe a little heavy

You should do a video on that 30-06 Chauchat behind you

@mikesoto890

6 жыл бұрын

MAD WOLF please.

@ryancook6452

6 жыл бұрын

Is that the rifle directly behind his head?

@vrisbrianm4720

6 жыл бұрын

I believe Ian actually bought one recently

@wesleydaughtry6054

6 жыл бұрын

He just purchased one the other week so once they fix it up a bit they will do a nice range video with it. I'm very stoked!

@Ealsante

6 жыл бұрын

Why would you want to listen to him groan in frustration for 8 minutes? That's fun, but doesn't seem too informative.

Hey Ian could you do a video on the Maynard carbine? I have one that is a family heirloom and I'm trying to learn more about it

@JohnnyReb

5 жыл бұрын

Belonged to an ancestor that fought in the war?

@JohnnyReb

5 жыл бұрын

This article on it should help. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard_carbine

Yep, a weapon time forgot. :)

I'm trying to imagine how much faster these would be to load then the standard Harpers ferry rifle and others like them

@filmandfirearms

2 жыл бұрын

Considering that parade standard for most armies at the time was 3 rounds per minute, with battle standard being 2-3, depending on situation, I'd say significantly faster. I think an average soldier could manage 4-5 rounds a minute easily

Awesome thanks 👍

Can you do an episode on a Norwegian kammerladder

The long stock is likely to move the venting gas farther from the shooters face.

Just a suggestion I am personally interested in the engineering aspect behind firearms so from my perspective the tangs were probably made that long to provide support for a thin and long stock. It was probably done that way to provide a more light weight gun. The stock is more than likely that long so a person could shoulder and fire it without holding the barrel as it has no fore grip on it. I'd also like to note the stock looks as if the top portion has the curve of someones shoulder blade and because what I assume is a sling mount with no obvious other sling point on the rifle it may have been designed to be carried backwards over the shoulder with the stock resting on your back. This would have the person's back supporting the portion of the gun that weighed the most and because of the lack of another sling point it may have just been a strap or rope that was intended to be held by one hand. All of this is 100% speculation based entirely on my observation of the gun and is in no way factual just trying to shine some perspective on why it may have been designed so strangely. Great video again.

It has a rising breech like the Hall Rifle and carbine. I'm sure the CSA probably used some Halls early in the War.

The stock remember me the "cuirassier" berthier you have show in your case open.

Wow I live here in Danville Va interesting

Are we going to see a video of you shooting this fine specimen?

In speaking of the Manyard carbine, when will you get around to doing one?

Do a video on that m60 and chachat

Would you ever do a video on the S&W 76?

I love these blackpowder rifles but I would have replicas so I could actually use them.

Is $50 not ridiculously expensive? I've got an old S&W add with the revolving carbine's listed at $40 if I remember correctly, which being a later, far more complex cartridge carbine seems like quite the bargain comparatively.

Some Hall overtones as well

Honestly, it reminds me of the Kammerlader.

I spy with my little eye a non-A2 BAR in the background.

It's not a forgotten weapon, but please cover that m60 casually chillin in the back

@mysss29

6 жыл бұрын

He does have a video on it already; but I'm also hoping he adds it to his growing corpus of detailed videos on machine guns. Such a fascinating and relevant series.

It looks like something straight out of a Brazilian slum. Or like something an Ork made.

@AutismIsUnstoppable

6 жыл бұрын

not enough dakka or pointy bitz to be orky.

@williammagoffin9324

6 жыл бұрын

Interestingly there is a town in Brazil that is a Confederate colony. Its a tourist trap now but at the time it was part of a long string of attempts by the Slave Holding (and later Confederate) States to expand in to central and south America by moving in and overthrowing the locals. The town in Brazil dates to the early Reconstruction era where a group from the South decided to pack up and leave rather than live in the US.

Ian, I have a lot of respect for you, but why didn't you do a segment on that Chauchat-Ribeyrolles 1918 sitting behind you? I would have liked a better look.

Interesting Ad Tier for this video - Schlage Hardware on 11OCT17

That seems to be a pretty neat idea. Do we have any accounts of these being used and their effectiveness Ian? I assume the business went bust rather than lack of orders given the confederacy's need for anything that went bang at the time.

@nindger4270

6 жыл бұрын

But if the Confederacy had ordered a bunch of them, the company wouldn't have gone bust, would it? Maybe they weren't quite desperate enough to order more of these. The action itself may not be too bad in new condition, but the overall design is just...kind of terrible? In the front, you have to hold the actual barrel itself, instead of having a stock. You can't get a good hold of that without obstructing your line of sight with your own fingers, not to mention that the hammer seems to be actively trying to prevent you from aiming.

@armedbrit493

6 жыл бұрын

Perhaps but given the other weapons that Ian has shown us that kept receiving development funding iirc (Thinking of pistols with a name that escapes me). All are fairly simple fixes though, bending the hammer. Adding a fore grip, larger sights. It would be interesting to know the cost of this gun vs say a 1853 Pattern Enfield.

@nindger4270

6 жыл бұрын

The price is actually in the video, first batch of 100 guns was $50 per gun, the other two batches $40 per gun. I don't know what an 1853 pattern Enfield would have cost at the time, but the number I could find about the 1861 Springfield - which is from Wikipedia, but it's the only thing I was able to turn up - was $20 per gun (which the Confederates obviously couldn't buy from Springfield directly, but as a reference point it'll do I think). That would have made this piece twice as expensive as an arguably far more useful long rifle. Sooo...yeah, that might have something to do with it. Edit: Oh, and it was .54 calibre. Both the Springfield and the Enfield were .58 calibre, that probably didn't help either. As you say, they were pretty desperate and all of this in itself wouldn't have been a deal breaker, I guess...but all of it in one might have been too much to ask.

@armedbrit493

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, was referring to the cost of alternatives at the time. Agree wholeheartedly with the assessment that the long arm in correct cal would have been more useful than the carbine.

That's the simple design they needed. Maybe shave the hammer a bit. Spring clip the lever and enlarge the sights.

On the left side of this carbine right below the trigger is a rectangular loop. Would this be for hanging on a cavalry saddle? I believe carbines were issued to cavalry troops because they were lighter and easier to carry, especially on horseback.

@TubeRadiosRule

6 ай бұрын

Yes, that would have been for a carbine harness. Possibly would have had a ring for a snap swivel to hang onto going through that bar. One other thing, it was mostly cavalry who were issued breech-loading carbines (breech loading rifles were available but far less common), as it was more difficult to reload a muzzle-loader from horseback.

The complete lack of a hand guard is really surprising for me. Must’ve been meant for one armed usage while on horseback or something

@baneofbanes

Ай бұрын

Nah, they just expected you to hold the barrel.

That stock looks like it'd be very uncomfortable in the shoulder

was that Danville, Virginia?

I want one of these. Heck, cartridge version too.

Looks like you can't open the breech with a cap on? Not sure if that's a safety feature or design flaw

@notpulverman9660

6 жыл бұрын

How big do you think percussion caps are?

@mysss29

6 жыл бұрын

3:00 It actually looks like, if a cap was on that nipple, then the breech block couldn't be opened all the way. Whether you could still get it open far enough to reload, I'm not sure. It's interesting to note that the receiver is actually relieved there for the nipple to fit when the action is open.

With that hammer in the way, you had better hope they are coming at you from the left.

Ian, you should also put your stuff on Bit Chute.

It looks more like a bludgeon than a rifle

Intended to be a copy of Maynard carbine. But why ended up being a hall rifle knock off?

It looks like a lowercase hall rifle lol

a bit like the 1859 new model sharps

Like a weapon from the last days of III Reich - crude and simple.

@filmandfirearms

2 жыл бұрын

Except it was the early days of the CSA. Believe it or not, this was produced by the CSA while they were winning the war. Really does a lot to explain why they ultimately failed

I wonder why they only made 200 of them

@baneofbanes

3 жыл бұрын

Confederates where very short on resources , logistics, and industrial capabilities throughout the entire war.

Wait, did he say $50 per gun or $50 for the whole thing? That sounds incredibly expensive or a great deal.

@tc1817

6 жыл бұрын

Per gun.

@Jmcculloughc1350

6 жыл бұрын

WOW! I see now why the south only bought so few because that is ludicrous. I mean, the Union Springfields were only something like $20 which seems like a good deal but that is still rather expensive when you think what $20 will get you today but then again they didn't really have the manufacturing capabilities we do today. (I mean, I guess you can say the same about M1 Garands which cost the same as like $1500 in todays money)

Quinoa carbine?

@ForgottenWeapons

6 жыл бұрын

It's 100% organic too!

It might have reduced the value, but just looking at this poor soul made me want to get to work with a wire brush.

Just come running from the right and you should be fine. No one will aim correctly from that side.

Not sure I'd call it a breachloader, more like a chamberloader.

@tc1817

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Carnes...What are you yapping about? When did he call it a muzzleloader?

@MikeDCWeld

6 жыл бұрын

Marbles McGee my bad. Fixed. I'd responded to another comment about this that pointed out that the loading order was more applicable to a muzzleloader. Had the wrong term in my head and didn't even notice.

@tc1817

6 жыл бұрын

What is your definition of "breech"?

Is it just me or is that open dustcover, on the M231 behind Ian, really really annoying?!

Maybe it was made to arm a local militia or for troops not on the front lines.

more american civil war weapons!!!!

Not in good shape or well loved

im early woo!

I'm actually surprised that the CSA lasted as long as it did. I would have been so disinfranchised during that period, I guess I would have just went and hid the woods.

@morgantodd3748

3 жыл бұрын

Lot of Confederate citizens had the same thoughts as you. Not just Unionists either, lot of hillfolk who didn't want their blood and their treasure expended for the planters' gain. Big parts of Appalachia were beyond the reach of Confederate taxmen and recruiters.

But... Is it a carbean or a carbain? 😂

This one looks like it owns a plantation somehow

With guns like this it's no wonder the south lost.

THE AR IN THE BACKGROUND? SOME KIND OF PORT GUN? IT HAS MOUNTING COURSE THREAD IN FRONT OF THE HANDGUARD?? MISSING RECEIVER EXTENSION?

@9HolyDiver

6 жыл бұрын

It's already covered in one of the videos. It's an M2 Bradley port gun.

@oootooober

6 жыл бұрын

M231 Port Firing Weapon kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKmOz6OtorXZfpM.html

@notpulverman9660

6 жыл бұрын

Op, I see it in the related videos.

@jakekillify

6 жыл бұрын

He literally did a video on that rifle a few days ago dude

@notpulverman9660

6 жыл бұрын

9HolyDiver thanks a lot man!

Would I be out of line in requesting a video on "Bump Stocks"? I don't trust a lot of the people talking about them in the media, and I wouldn't mind getting the straight dope from Ian.

@jaroslavstava3704

6 жыл бұрын

SergeantPsycho They did test and discuss it on InRange quite some time ago.

@MarineVet

6 жыл бұрын

SergeantPsycho On his channel, Ian covers older firearms, typically those that are not well known to the general public, but having at least some historical and developmental significance. There are, however, plenty of knowledgeable people on youtube who've covered the newer, gimmicky bump-fire/slide-fire stocks. These stocks do no lend themselves to reliability or precision. They may be seen as a "fun" addition to certain rifles for civilians who are not allowed access to automatic weapons, but they are not practical in the real world. I know some ignorant knob will likely bring it up, so I'll mention it briefly; the Vegas shooting, if we're to believe the reports, being a prime example of the gimmicky, ineffectual nature of the bump-fire/slide-fire stock design. People are freaking out about the numbers, but a single, skilled shooter could have caused a far higher body count without the use of these types of stocks. These stocks can increase firing rate, but at the cost of precision. They will likely be reclassified and made illegal after this incident, but it will be just another ineffectual law that will do absolutely nothing to decrease deaths, as with all firearms laws. Well, "gun free zone" laws have actually increased the mortality rate. Imagine that?

@ForgottenWeapons

6 жыл бұрын

It's not really a subject for Forgotten Weapons - but even if it was, and not too politically charged, I can't do it because KZread is issuing "community guidelines" strikes against channels that have bumprfire stock videos right now.

@sdhubbard

6 жыл бұрын

Understood. Makes sense.