Just went to my first Presbyterian church service. Converting from Pentecostalism. Pray for me. If anyone teaches reformed theology I would love a Bible study!

@isaiahwlong

14 күн бұрын

I'm thinking about starting an online Bible study. Would you be interested?

@isaacsandoval9316

14 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong yes absolutely

@isaiahwlong

14 күн бұрын

@@isaacsandoval9316 Bet

@isaacsandoval9316

14 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong send me ur info so I can be added.

@isaacsandoval9316

13 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong shoot me your info so I can be added.

“Finally get saved and join the Presbyterian church.” Waking on thin ice Mr redeemed 😂

@Woolf729

16 күн бұрын

Wild *RedeemedGenAlpha* sighting:

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

16 күн бұрын

His last name is redeemed, not zoomer.

@TheScholarlyBaptist

15 күн бұрын

@@Woolf729 well Im 13 so i don’t know if it counts

@TheScholarlyBaptist

15 күн бұрын

@@JoWilliams-ud4eu same difference

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

15 күн бұрын

@RedeemedGenAlpha you are so Gen Alpha. Don't worry, though, you have a good head on your shoulders, and I'll be praying for your future Mr redeemed Gen Alpha.

ok i think this video is convincing me to actually convert to presbyterianism... I'd been listening to youtube videos by theologians explaining issues like paedobaptism and my mind still held onto the baptist definition of baptism so i was still confused. Was a very helpful talk, thanks guys

As someone who attends Sproul’s church and interacts with ligonier people regularly, I can confirm that the majority of them are presbapterians or Puritans

@redeemedzoomer6053

15 күн бұрын

cringe and disappointing

@keelanenns4548

15 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 it’s a bug not a feature. We need more Anglo-reformed people there.

@DrGero15

5 күн бұрын

@@keelanenns4548 Anglo-reformed?

@keelanenns4548

4 күн бұрын

@@DrGero15 Anglo-Reformed people are Anglicans who are very confessional (adhere to their Denomination's confession the 39 Articles of Religion). Anglicanism was designed to be pseudo-reformed by Thomas Cranmer. Anglo-reformed people are people who follow the Reformed ideas of salvation, the church, and its sacraments but who still affirm an episcopal style of church structure. They are generally low church anglicans, and to me they are similar to High church Presbyterians.

@DrGero15

3 күн бұрын

@@keelanenns4548 The 39 Articles are much closer to Lutheran than reformed, and an honest and knowledgeable Calvinist couldn't affirm all of them as they were written. The Anglican Formularies explicitly endorse; a general, not limited, atonement, a true Christian forfeiting salvation and being lost, instrumental baptismal regeneration, prevenient grace, God working with us for salvation, and resistible grace, among other things. Anglo-Reformed would be just as far off base as the Anglo-Catholics in claiming to adhere to them. It gets even worse for both groups if you read the Books of Homilies. (Which are explicitly endorsed as "godly and wholesome Doctrine" by the 39 Articles) As an example for the Anglo-Reformed, Homily 8 "On Declining From God" explicitly says a true Christian can forfeit salvation and be lost.

"There comes a heathen and says, 'I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose?' How shall we answer him? 'Each of you' (says he) 'asserts, "I speak the truth."' (b) No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule." - St. John Chrysostom, *Homily 33 on Acts*

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

Papists hate this quote.

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

@bluekazoo5378 And we agree with Church tradition as long as it doesn’t contradict scripture.

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool

15 күн бұрын

@bluekazoo5378 you should read William Perkins on Tradition in his book Reformed Catholic. 🙂 He’ll talk about the Reformed view. (There’s a free pdf online from Monergism)

@bradyhayes7911

15 күн бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94 Which Sacred Traditions contradict Scripture, and according to who?

@TheScholarlyBaptist

15 күн бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94this goes both ways

One God,one Christ,one church,one faith,one baptism divided in thousands doctrines....

@kamehamehaX300

4 күн бұрын

They’re so lost! They keep saying they have guidance but are constantly repeating how the foundations of their religions cannot be agreed upon

as someone who is attending a non denominational church, and i am currently called to attend it; im actually glad cause its very theologically sound, and while attending it and through my research I've been convicted of things like real presence, the importance of ritual and solemnity, the validity of baby baptism, and other generally considered by baptists not true bible. the one thing ive learnt is that a lot of these arguments are because of different definitions of things, and a general lack of theological depth of study. now i believe all churches have their different uses and strength, but i generally have better appreciation for big beautiful churches that focus on theology and deeper faith

@JodieJoe5

15 күн бұрын

This is such a good comment. I feel the exact same way

A truly great conversation. Some thoughts in no order of importance - One can be an optimistic amillennialist which is close to a post millennialist. I think it is more accurate to say Billy Graham was an inclusiveist than a universalist. Indeed theois is not a dirty word among the Reformed. “Praise God and baptize babies” should be put into some memes.

You’re content got me from Southern Baptist to the PCA, I know it’s not PCUSA but it’s a step closer. Also the speed speaking/ patient speaking thing is more of an urban/rural thing rather than a yankee/Southerner thing.

Love my "Southern Baptist", "Reformed Baptist", "Presbyterian" and all Christian brothers and sisters.

As someone who’s gone from pre trib rapture to amillennialism i think it’s the easiest because how depressing pre trib rapture is, it’s so easy to let go and amillennialism is so hopeful

God bless you, brothers in Christ

From my experience, postmil drives what we do! We work for the Kingdom, and when it seems discouraging, it drives us to keep going since eventually it will change, and we get to be a part of that change! How exciting that God decides to partner with us! It is quite interesting to me how any of the end times views can be used wrongly for us to be lazy. If the future is great, there’s nothing we need to do since it’ll just be good either way. If we don’t know, than it doesn’t matter if I do anything or not since there’s no telling what will happen. If the future is dark, I don’t want to have anything to do with it. It’s also cool how all can be used to help us do our work.

So important for us to focus on unity and our relationship with Jesus. 😀

At 49:04, I believe that is actually called pleuralism (the idea that there are multiple paths to Heaven, not just through Christ), whereas universalism is that God will save everyone eventually (basically that Hell is not eternal, and those in Hell will be let into Heaven when their punishment is done with).

Mr. Zoomer I enjoy you videos and I was wondering if you could recommend any books that address "Kingdom Theology". Is N T Wright the only writer on this topic?

@redeemedzoomer6053

15 күн бұрын

he's the most lay-level writer, the best introduction. Also listen to Abraham Kuyper's Princeton lectures they're amazing

Amen 🙏 Nice Video❤❤❤

As a postmillenialist I very much agree with your guys' sentiments as amillenialists. The amillenialists that I know seem somewhat ambivalent about the future and even cautious about attempting to transform the world because they don't necessarily see it as part of God's plan. Like personal santification for the elect, God gaurantees world transformation but we are still called to be faithful in pursuing it.

"Our very righteousness, too, though true in so far as it has respect to the true good, is yet in this life of such a kind that it consists rather in the remission of sins than in the perfecting of virtues." -Saint Augustine, City of God, Book XIX, Section XXVII

8:19 is basically "Ask not what church can do the best for you, but what church you can do the best for God's kingdom in"

30:25 I have not read the Bible, but I know a way of reconciling transubstantiation with the verse you just mentioned, God knows the future, so the bread and wine only be transubstantiate if God knows that the one receiving it will be part of the Kingdom of Heaven.

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

16 күн бұрын

Good idea, but you should read the bible. Not to say that your opinion is wrong because you haven't read.

Interesting video.

@Marijanus

16 күн бұрын

Didn't even watch it.

I’ve been very curious about the Presbyterian church. However, the only one in my city is profoundly liberal. Rainbow flags planted in the front lawn, and based on the few online sermons I’ve watched from them they hold scripture as a sort of “nice book” but that it is written in an antiquated way with limitations of how accurate and useful it is for the “modern world.” It’s a shame because I’d like to expand my knowledge of theology. I was raised Baptist and had a very similar experience as Isaiah here.

@pedroguimaraes6094

15 күн бұрын

There's no PCA church?

RZ, how do you cope with limited atonement when the bible says God intended to save all peoples?

@redeemedzoomer6053

16 күн бұрын

The two don’t contradict

@Songmyz

16 күн бұрын

​@@redeemedzoomer6053 Limited atonement doesn't square with when God forgave the Ninevites after repenting from their false gods. Also, how do you cope with Sola fide when Rahab, a gentile prostitute was justified for her works in James 2:25?

@lectorintellegat

15 күн бұрын

⁠@@SongmyzThe entirety of James 2 is explained by v17. James is rebuking the antinominianism of those who think because faith saves, they don’t have to be obedient. James - like Paul, like Jesus - is saying that faith alone is efficacious for salvation, but not the kind of faith that stands alone. A good tree bears good fruit. And the Ninevites has no bearing on limited atonement at all.

@Sebman1113

15 күн бұрын

This is where the Lutheran view comes in. The Bible says God chooses us, we are incapable of choosing God on our own merit. We are elected in our baptism. It doesn’t say we are retrobated by God but rather damned on our own merit for without Christ we are subject to judgement.

can do a video on acolytes or alter servers

The BFM2000 calls the sacraments "acts of obedience." That's a huge issue with the definition of baptism. They place it under the category of law not gospel.

The R.C Sproul hit threw me for a loop. I asked my OPC Pastor for a recommendation and he sent me their ESV Bible with footnotes as a good place to start. Based off the footnotes I was a little sus'd out when it came to some commentary or takes. I'm just curious as to what made your personal opinion shift? Are OPC churches more naturally Baptist leaning ( Ik you said churches are all different)? I also saw what the other commenter said.

'Non-denominational" is another name for an independent evangelical/Protestant congregational. It does not mean that they do not see themselves as part of a Tradition. There are Lutheran, Baptist ( a lot) , Mennonite, Classical Pentecostal (a lot) , Reformed independent congregations.

which bible was isaiah referring to at 26:52?

@aRecount

4 күн бұрын

Ancient Faith study bible

@disreceded

4 күн бұрын

@@aRecount thanks

It is completely insane to accuse Doug Wilson of retreating from the culture. Doug Wilson has built institutions and shaped thousands of lives and families.

@redeemedzoomer6053

15 күн бұрын

he's got a good vision but objectively the "institutions" he's built are not even 10% as developed as your average state school

I never expected to see my math teachers son in one of your videos but I guess anything can happen 🤣

6:23 Did I hear that?

A debate between Redeemed Zoomer and Doug Wilson would be great.

No tuxedo this time?

About the whole “criticize the man of God” thing, the biggest one imo is Benny Hinn. Anytime you point out his wickedness, HORDES go after you!

@elijahcandage

9 күн бұрын

That happened to me with Joel Osteen a few days ago. I left a comment saying that we Christians don't claim him, and half the replies were either atheists saying something along the lines of "yeah, actually, you do" or Joel's sheep yelling at me for criticizing their master.

If you were baptised in a heretical group, do you have to get rebaptised if you convert to Christianity? And what if the heresy is not trinitarian but, docetist or pelagian?

@esserman1603

16 күн бұрын

If you are baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the baptism is valid and there is no need for re-baptism.

@Bradford.C.Wallsbury

16 күн бұрын

It'd depend on the perspective of the denomination you're going into - and if you're not going into any then I guess it's on your heart to figure out through reading scripture and prayer. Would like to hear what any replies say so am commenting

@Protestant_Paladin440

16 күн бұрын

Yes. If you are baptized in a heretical group and believe their heresy and then repent afterward, you need to leave that heretical group and be baptized again. (Usually because they do not baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).

@justinscholl

16 күн бұрын

Yes

@Sebman1113

15 күн бұрын

If heretical group is a group that doesn’t baptize in the name of father son and Holy Spirit in that order, absolutely asap. Baptism saves, it is God working through the hands of man to claim you into his kingdom of everlasting life freeing you of sin and evil to go forthright into the world as a child of God ready to learn and transform the world with the guidance of Gods grace.

How does someone repent? EDIT: If I truly felt sorry for my sins, why would I have committed them in the first place? How do I repent, believing that without grace repentance is impossible while maintaining personal accountability?

@ihiohoh2708

15 күн бұрын

Repentance is a change of mind. Repentance starts with recognizing sin, and actively trying to stop it. It won't be perfect, but only through the work of the Holy Spirit may we overcome sin. Remember when you sin: _If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness._ *1 John 1:9*

@briangronberg6507

15 күн бұрын

Thank you for responding to such a fundamental and basic question. I’ve recently seen that I’m losing track of those fundamentals and I’d also never want to confuse Christianity with a self-help guide. So part of actively desiring to stop sinning is knowing that I need to actively seek out God’s help to avoid falling into temptation?

@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv

9 күн бұрын

@@briangronberg6507 Yeah, you need the helper..the Holy Spirit. One thing to remember is your focus shouldn’t be on not sinning in one sense. If that’s all you think about there are 2 outcomes: despair because you know you can’t do it, or pride because you’ve deceived yourself and think you’ve accomplished it. Be disciplined about reading the Bible and remember how Jesus rebuked satan when tempted..it is written..it is written..it is written. Willpower is important but it will fail when trying to conquer sin by itself. The spirit is willing but the body is weak. And don’t be so hard on yourself. The Lord says He will forgive you. Believe Him. Work on growing your faith (faith comes by hearing through the word of Christ-Romans 10:17) and replace that desire to sin with a love for Christ. It won’t happen overnight because the sanctification process is a lifelong journey.

This is a brilliant satire

17:53 - wait, but the CREC and Christ Chruch is working on building their own schools, their own college, their own church in Moscow, their own publishing arm and media arm. I like a lot of your work, but you should try and see if you can interview Doug Wilson and just pepper him with your critiques/questions.

@georgeluke6382

16 күн бұрын

28:52 - this is a good beginning, but Zwingli's own views might be a little less memorialist than Zwinglians.

@georgeluke6382

16 күн бұрын

Have you seen Nathan Anderson's video on postmillenialism, or his recent one on politics?

@redeemedzoomer6053

16 күн бұрын

I know they're trying to build new stuff, but parallel institutions barely ever live up to the strength of what they split off from

@georgeluke6382

16 күн бұрын

​@@redeemedzoomer6053 my point is my timestamp. Claiming retreatism when we're seeing Doug's ministry pushing into the right's spheres relative to Tucker, ND Wilson's work into Netflix, and Rory's stuff at Columbia, along with the ACCS graduates seeming to successfully generationally preserve their faith, and I think this passing comment is just oversimplified in the criticism- if they're not building, fair, but the representatives of the philosophy of postmillenial productivity you're critiquing seem to be pretty overtly productive. No doubt, retreatism is a temptation for all of us- but building alt institutions doesn't seem to me to be retreatism, just another strategy to recapture.

@georgeluke6382

16 күн бұрын

I say this, admiring your strategy, but entirely appreciating the diversity of God's work in the blockparty of the Church. There seem a lot of great godly schemes for reformation going on in our time!

Who is older?

@JbaconW

16 күн бұрын

RZ is

You guys spend more time bashing people that would be on your side. It's okay to disagree with people on some things. Discuss ideas not people. Ligonier and MacArthur have been in the fight a long time. They have been doing alot of good for God's kingdom. It's not all about nice church buildings.

@isaiahwlong

14 күн бұрын

God says call out heresy wherever it is.

@redeemedzoomer6053

14 күн бұрын

MacArthur teaches heresy. Ligonier doesn’t, but represents the Reformed tradition badly

@redeemedzoomer6053

14 күн бұрын

@@murrydixon5221 yes he did but that’s not what I was referring to. I’m referring to his statements about the Theotokos

@murrydixon5221

14 күн бұрын

@redeemedzoomer6053 Have you tried to reach out to him about it? Love your content.

I know that guy!

First

@Marijanus

16 күн бұрын

YOU are FIRST! Good job, KING 👑

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

16 күн бұрын

Shall be last

You keep saying the PCUSA is a unified denomination and how important that is. Why do we have to be unified with people who preach LGBTQ ideology and support abortion? What is the biblical basis for that? Why is unity more important to you than truth? Btw, I am considering joining an OPC church.

@redeemedzoomer6053

11 күн бұрын

Cuz we need to confront heresy not run from it

Ravi Zacharias was a "celebrity" minister in the Christian and Missionary Alliance (CMA). that denomination has a Presbyterian system of government. It is not a congregationalist denomination.

@isaiahwlong

15 күн бұрын

I was talking about idolizing pastors.

@angelbonilla4243

15 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong < I know. But in his case wasn't the fault of congregationalism.

RZ shaved his beard. NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Isaiah is a presby now, why does he have an icon?

@redeemedzoomer6053

15 күн бұрын

We are okay with icons just not of God

Why should I believe that the Bible is true? In my view, it’s a good book but it’s just a book.

I'm more progressive United Methodist and was actually impressed by what you just said about staying in church and no perfect church. This is what I don't get about the right. Why is theological uniformity the litmus test for weather you are a Christian? We are all saved by grace through faith. Cognitive assent to doctrines is not what saves you. Why demonize one another. We are called to love one another. The videos I've seen on the UMC are next level cray cray. You would think we are now holding Satanic rituals and origies and somehow the whole church is no longer Christians because we removed a sentence from our discipline book that called out one perceived sin and no others. I couldn't agree more with you on eschatology. I'm amillenial now too. I was raised Pentecostal and I can tell you first hand the rapture doctrine is a huge problem and their is an escapist mentality and not doing anything for our world now. When I was a kid hell was the focus, but later shifted to the rapture being the primary focus.

@ihiohoh2708

15 күн бұрын

If you love someone who is an alcoholic would you tell them what they are doing is great and hand them another beer or would you tell them they need to get help?

@Magnulus76

15 күн бұрын

@@ihiohoh2708 Gays have got that message over and over that most Christians believe homosexuality is a sin... why do some people feel the need to beat a dead horse?

@NC-vz6ui

15 күн бұрын

​@@ihiohoh2708 I think this is a false equivalency, if your talking about homosexuals, but also a bad example. If you love an alcoholic, you will give them some alcohol until they can properly detox. DT's and withdrawal can kill them because there is a biological and chemical dependency. But I'm also a substance abuse therapist, so lol

@Sebman1113

15 күн бұрын

I mostly agree with your comment, though I’m more a somewhat conservative Lutheran of the ELCA. It’s about faith in the one true God in the end.

Take a drink every time Zoomer says read the Scott’s Confession….actually maybe don’t do that.

you sure do make a lot of digs at baptists for someone who still loves us lol

@mamakenma2429

15 күн бұрын

seriously tho im currently researching into the differences between baptists & others (particularly reformed) like infant baptism and the not-just-a-symbol communion and your criticisms across various videos have been very useful, havent changed my mind on any of it so far and dont think i will but im glad for exposure to other opinions/theologies so long as they're biblical

I also decided to become Reformed over TradCat. Historic Protestantism is the true continuation of the ancient catholic(lower case c) Church.

@33legion

15 күн бұрын

Why do you need to clarify that it's a lower case "c" in Catholic? If true, reformed theology (specifically its doctrine on predestination) makes the message of the Gospel useless. There are multiple commands in the Bible from God, such as "repent and believe in the Gospel." If irresistable grace is true, then no commands hold weight. They are more like programming than commands. Reformed doctrine on predistination, while I respect its emphasis on the soverighnty of God, rejects the possibility of humans actually being able to love God. And by doing this, I think they limit God and His power, i.e. soverighnty, in thay He is not able to create beings who can truly love Him.

@jermoosekek1101

15 күн бұрын

@@33legionyou’ve developed some sort of conception of how “love” works. And if that’s the reason you reject reformed theology. Not even a real theological reason, then that be the weakest argument ever.

@33legion

15 күн бұрын

​​​@@jermoosekek1101 By rejecting my conception of how love works, it then follows that you have your own. What's your conception? And I wouldn't call it a weak argument either. I'm not claiming to understand how love works, at least in totality, but I think some things about it can be clear. For example, if people are unable to NOT love God (irresistable Grace), then they are no more than mere characters in a book, not actual creation with a will created by God. An argument from love can sound silly at first, but if you keep in mind that "God is love," it doesn't sound as silly anymore.

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

@@33legion When we say lower case “c” catholic, we are just trying to clarify we are not talking about Catholic as in Rome but the universal church described in the early creeds. I am reformed but I’m still learning and maybe someone else might be able to answer your question better but in my personal opinion it is just a MYSTERY on why God chooses certain individuals for his glory(Jacob,Isaac,Abraham,Moses,David) and rejects or passes over others(Ishmael,Esau,Judas Iscariot,David’s older siblings)

@33legion

14 күн бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94 I think the ones that God rejected still had an oppurtunity to be saved, even if they weren't chosen to glorify God in the ways that David, Abraham, etc. were. Whether or not they were saved, I don't know. My view on predestination is that everyone is the elect, meaning God wills all be saved, but He allows people to reject their election because He wants people to be able to freely hate/love Him.

Why are you not a Muslim? Can you not see that the Quran is the truth? And Islam is the religion for people of reason.

Respectfully in Jesus Christ, you guys have no clue what you’re talking about. You have a long way to go.

Zoomer where'd the beard go?

Im a baptist and honestly I don’t know why reformed traditions have become so popular i guess its trending and I will admit I was very tempted to have a calvinist view but I just couldn’t see my self believing in predestination and all that other stuff the good thing about being baptist is that you get to have a different opinion on theological issues (mainly Medieval theology) without having to be split up in to more and more diffrent churches.

@keelanenns4548

15 күн бұрын

Read Institutes of the Christian religion my friend. I was once a Baptist too…

@TheScholarlyBaptist

15 күн бұрын

@@keelanenns4548 I love reading and I’ll definitely take a look into it but I don’t think Im going to abandon my tradition I know Baptists don’t really get a good reputation when it comes to theology but I think that could change. I’m also very young so there is still a lot for me to learn perhaps I will change my mind but for now I’ll just stay put and have faith that God will guide me to where he wants me to be

@keelanenns4548

14 күн бұрын

@@TheScholarlyBaptist it’s good that you love reading, never stop reading. When you know your God is The God of truth, you have nothing to fear when you seek truth, since even if you were wrong, the truth you discovered is still God’s truth and will lead you to a greater knowledge of him.

First! Edit: not first :(

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

16 күн бұрын

The first shall be last

@michaelseay9783

15 күн бұрын

@@JoWilliams-ud4eu😮

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

15 күн бұрын

@@michaelseay9783 🫨

You lost me at "ism"

Ah, yes, the journey to bigotry.

@isaiahwlong

13 күн бұрын

Cope

@Caden-nj3bo

11 күн бұрын

@isaiahwlong My comment was intended for Richard- on the basis of the repugnant, sickening things he espouses.

8:19 is basically "Ask not what church can do the best for you, but what church you can do the best for God's kingdom in"