Respect to Perry for havin the balls to actually talk with zoomer, most wouldn't dare

@thebadlander3608

5 ай бұрын

Real

@fabulouschild2005

5 ай бұрын

Eh, I'd do it. He's pretty fascinating, and whilst we don't agree on lgbt rights we agree on other things

@robinlutjohann6408

5 ай бұрын

Thats such a presumptuous statement - how do you know they wouldnt welcome the conversation?

@elmermontilla6371

5 ай бұрын

​@@fabulouschild2005 What do you agree with him?

@AgonGames69

5 ай бұрын

Bro, how childish is your brain. One is a reverend who’s gone through seminary and got ordained. And another plays Minecraft and barely has reached adulthood with no actual theological experience or training.

"Can you imaginewhat itsliketo be told that a part of you is sinful?" YES THAT'S THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF ORIGINAL SIN

@SlavNarration

4 ай бұрын

Exactly roughly paraphrased “I was a sinner from the moment of my conception”

@lovingsingleton1873

4 ай бұрын

Do you regard all marriage as sinful

@Blaztoize

4 ай бұрын

@@lovingsingleton1873obviously the Lord requires marriage for relations

@SlavNarration

4 ай бұрын

@@lovingsingleton1873 I don’t understand what marriage has to do with this but no, I think you misunderstood, not all actions are sinners but are sinners from conception aka sinners from birth aka only forgiven by god

@lovingsingleton1873

4 ай бұрын

@@SlavNarration then no you do not regard your sexuality as sinful. Redeemed zoomer is lying.

Here's a contradiction: Mr Perry said at the beginning of the talk (2:38) that he believed 'God knew me as he knit me in the womb' yet later on affirmed that fetus' aren't humans and thus abortion is permissible.

@joellaz9836

5 ай бұрын

Good spot!

@smokeysoldier8590

5 ай бұрын

Fantastic observation !

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

He is consistent with Leftist political orthodoxies, not with Christianity.

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

@@jimluebke3869 yes, but only because leftist orthodoxy is "lie and make stuff up, what matters is sounding good not telling the truth" he can only actually believe one of those positions. either he was a person in the womb, or he wasn't. the other is a lie to push his agenda.

@cringebox230

4 ай бұрын

that also makes me think of trans people (assuming they use that "knit in the womb" argument), why would God make you gender A if He knew you wanted to "change" it to gender B?

I am surprised by how respectful this conversation was for vicious it could have been. I think having discussions with the kind of mindset of politeness in mind is going to make productive dialogue like this much more possible.

@marukchozt6744

5 ай бұрын

This wasn't much of a conversation but an interview, though. But considering how the position of the LGBTQ affirming person here deviates from the Gospel, if this were a debate or a conversation, it would merit some serious exchange. There is no real understanding of sin or Salvation, and a questionable view of Jesus & His teaching, and an inconsistent view of the Scripture where he appeals to the Bible only when it serves his argument. (i.e. he does not recognize the power dynamic between a man and a woman in the OT marriages, how some men married concubines because they were in power, but would happily use it when it serves his argument for polygamous identity. While politeness is important and it has served to bring forth clarity the positions of pastors like him, if a real exchange were to happen when it pertains to the center of the Christian salvation, that politeness can die.

@helenagreenpine1496

4 ай бұрын

As far as time talking, this was ~95/5 the progressive preaching his secular values at RZ. He also in so many words called RZ and Christians 'bigots' 32:28 and 'violent' 36:43for believing the bible. He said that believing the bible is 'hell on earth' due to bigotry of those who believe it 32:28. You have to sort of listen to the undertone/remarks to catch these little jabs.....He also lies and says that God blesses multiple wives in the bible 45:32 (this is not true, there are some figures in the bible that had multiple wives but it wasn't prescribed by God....it is just a fact of what that human chose to do....often with negative repurcussions).

@xHollow.

4 ай бұрын

We are called to spread the gospel with grace. Same should go for everything even this despite how heretical this pastor may sound.

@amt4653

3 ай бұрын

Regardless of sect, if they can't have a respectful conversation like this, they need to get off KZread, and get the beam out of their own eye first

@RallyTheTally

3 ай бұрын

Facts.

Jesus does not say love yourself. He says deny yourself, take up your cross and follow him.

@gamingllama6190

5 ай бұрын

fact

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

Who chooses what we are to deny?

@realestateunplugged6129

5 ай бұрын

​God does, right?

@Karla-rf4nn

5 ай бұрын

@@monteirolobato6830Jesus. If you truly are in Christ, the Holy Spirit tells you what needs to change. Our goal is to be like Christ. Every Christian, regardless of their sin, must constantly examine themselves and bring themselves before God to have their sin revealed to them. When you put yourself in God’s hands and faithfully read His word and interact with other faithful Christians, you will clearly see the way you need to go. Putting our trust in ourselves and our (very) fallible judgment can only end poorly.

@docmars

5 ай бұрын

Partially true. He tells us to love others as ourselves (i.e. love others as we love ourselves). There are a lot of people who hate themselves. How can they possibly love others effectively if they don't understand how to love themselves first?

Jesus: “Deny yourself” Perry: “I grew up feeling there was a part of me God didn’t love”

@ogloc6308

5 ай бұрын

“but its who i am!! 😢”

@AgustinQ192

5 ай бұрын

Obviously God doesnt love our sins, in fact He hates them and wants us to give them up

@Awaken_To_0

5 ай бұрын

Mathew 22: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.' 1 Corinthians 13: If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not Love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not Love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not Love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, Love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: Faith, Hope and Love. _But the greatest of these is Love._

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

Well, the part of you that is Original Sin is like that. He is rejecting God's grace and Christ's sacrifice as the answer to sin, instead preferring to invent a way to change the rules.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

@@ogloc6308 If you "identify as" a sin, that would seem to be failing to reject the Devil and all his works and all his ways.

"I don't believe the Bible is inerrant" Aight there we are.

@hfarthingt

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately anyone who doesn't believe the bible is inerrant means everything they believe is self-defeating and entirely subjective.

@adriangutierrez441

5 ай бұрын

What does that mean in a Christian context?

@Seirra72

5 ай бұрын

@@adriangutierrez441Inerrant means “without error” so basically he was asking if he thought the Bible was the divinely inspired work of God. If you don’t believe that, then you’re just arguing your personal opinion on philosophy.

@mitromney

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, at this point you're no longer Christian really. At least that's my perspective. If your opinion is above God's revelation, anything goes.

@clouds-rb9xt

5 ай бұрын

The Bible is partially inerrant. Inerrant on matters of doctrine and salvation but may err on more minor details (such as minor mistakes about locations or people, or some small inconsistencies) I think this is a fair middle ground between fundies and liberal modernists

The “what is a Christian?” Question was a very informative turning point in the conversation. Well done Zoomer.

@jessefoutz597

4 ай бұрын

How do we feel about "if you can say the Nicene Creed without crossing your fingers" as a cutoff point?

@jcmorgan26

29 күн бұрын

@@jessefoutz597 woefully insufficient. This "pastor" is so shallow in Christianity and in reality is just a modern progressive liberal who decided to say he believes in Jesus. He very clearly places his own opinions in higher regard to the ultimate moral authority of God. His version of Christianity is "we should all love each other ad do everything we can to feel good about ourselves, even if it means openly accepting sin. He condoned homosexuality, he condoned adultery, he denied the bible being the inerrant word of God, etc, etc.

Zoomers last comment about sin was so satisfying, you could just sense it brewing for the whole interview, and he still made his point with class. Amazing effort from his side.

@ethannoble8564

5 ай бұрын

Amazing how succinctly he could make it too. Gospel is a lot simpler than it seems at times.

@toast4082

4 ай бұрын

Fs, that was impressive. I would've lost it all but you can tell he knows what he's talking about and is confident in the inerrant word of the Bible.

@moriojac5334

4 ай бұрын

@@ethannoble8564 "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:3

As a bisexual myself i am tired of this conversation. I don't live a homosexual lifestyle and i reject my so thoughts. The difference between me and lgbt affirming people is that i accept the bible for what it is and i know that carrying on that path is as much a sin as others so i reject it. Lgbt folks are trying to sculpt their "interpretation" so it fits the sin they love too much to get rid off it. I'd rather turn my back on a community than God.

@omgwind5217

5 ай бұрын

Based

@jaihummel5057

5 ай бұрын

Lord bless you, champion!

@Valediction9

5 ай бұрын

@@ozziewhite4296 That's not correct

@simongiguere2390

5 ай бұрын

@@ozziewhite4296 i've had boyfriends and had, God forgive me, s***** interactions with a men. Even with the mother of my children, love of my life besides Jesus Christ, that i'm with now, we used to talk about it from time to time. But when i found Jesus, i decided that it's all gone and behind me and we don't mention it anymore. My inclinations are now towards God. Amen brother and God bless you ❤🙏

@simongiguere2390

5 ай бұрын

@@jaihummel5057 And bless you heart too brother 🙏

19:31 -- lgbtq advocate reveals he does not believe the resurrection is essential to the Christian faith, while Redeemed Zoomer displays a supernatural ability to not interrupt but to keep asking more questions. Well done, brother. Well done!

This is how a debate should be. No interrupting each other, and no yelling at each other. Just peaceful disagreements and listening to each other.

@matthewjohnson2428

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't even call this a debate as much as a guided interview since zoomer spoke very little and only asked questions versus providing responses (for the most part)

@kuhatsuifujimoto9621

3 ай бұрын

perry was pressed for a good majority of the debate.

@missthang4982

11 күн бұрын

I used to be amazing at debate. Was my super power for decades. Then at around 45? I started losing my cool and I'm seriously not even interested in getting it back in this regard. Why I don't debate anymore if I can help it. I turn into a spazz now. It's embarrassing. I absolutely respect the ability of people who can debate like this. I wonder if in 25 years from now? How together they will still be in this regard.

@missthang4982

11 күн бұрын

​@@kuhatsuifujimoto9621yes.. Absolutely. In school? Our debate club judging? He lost entirely. The general rules of professionalism in debate explains this more. But he had a few moments where he could retrieve himself but allowed him the floor instead and that's where he lost in my opinion. But he lost being respectful if he was on a world stage, Ted Talk... etc... he would have to get a lot more tough than this or he'd get buried. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love this zoomer guy. God bless 🙏 🇨🇦 ✌️

“I already know that every part of me is sinful, because that is what the Bible tells me. There is not a single part of me that does not need to be corrected with the word of God and with the Spirit of Christ every single day.” 🔥

@teehee4096

5 ай бұрын

That would mean your heterosexuality must also be changed. Surely you don't believe that.

@alfredospizzacafe

5 ай бұрын

@@teehee4096 heterosexuals can live in sin. So, yeah, they would need to submit their feelings and desires to the Lord. Tee Hee 😘

@juilianbautista4067

5 ай бұрын

@@teehee4096 you tried, and you failed. Surely you can do better than that.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

@@teehee4096 Do I believe that I shouldn't f*ck every woman I'm attracted to? Of course, and it's Christianity that teaches me that, not anything of this world or in myself.

@sleeaap

4 ай бұрын

@@juilianbautista4067he clearly meant heterosexuality in itself, not the sin heterosexuals may act in

19:40 YIKES is all I can say...the entirety of Christianity hinges on the Resurrection. If the Resurrection didn't happen, then all of this is a house of cards.

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

That's an interesting statement. We are taught that is is by Christ's suffering and death that we are forgiven (or can be). Normative Christianity also holds that it is His resurrection that promises us heaven. I accept this mystery, but I do not limit the power of the Father's grace or power. Many believe that all will be saved. (I not entirely sure what that means, frankly.)

@Bythegraceofgod1646

5 ай бұрын

Yup Paul wrote that to the early church.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

So says St. Paul.

@iwnaras

4 ай бұрын

If I lived in the west, I would start swimming in the atlantic until I'm not... I cannot believe the things I heard in this video.

@vincentsalcido9605

3 ай бұрын

I guess it's a house of cards then

1:07:48 What a beautiful gospel-centered answer. When the world's remedy is "Acceptance", the Bible preaches "Repentance". Jesus welcomed sinners, not to affirm their sinfulness, but to set them free from it's bondage.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

The story of Jesus doesn't make sense because god could just offer forgiveness for the sins he whimsically declared. Besides each sin occurs as planned by him.

@arturnicaciodeandrade9861

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 Why are you here if you are so ill informed on matter of theology ?

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 we do not believe the divine positive law is arbitrary, we believe it is built into the universe on a level deeper than material. your body is more arbitrary and transient than the bones of the world, which are righteousness, and holiness.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 Looking at the material consequences of sins (AIDS, etc), do you really think they were "whimsically declared"? You really haven't given much thought to your ideas. Or are they just the ideas of others you're parroting?

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@arturnicaciodeandrade9861 I am informed of the illusory solutions to this, but it remains as whimsical.

Rev. Benjamin Perry says that God made the core part of him that is attracted to men, which we call sinful, just as he created the part of heterosexual men that is attracted to women. As a man married for 16 years, I still struggle with the sinful part of me that is attracted to women who are NOT my wife. That is a core part of me. And that is SINFUL. God wants YOU to reject your sin within yourself, whatever part of your core it may be, so that you may be transformed by the blood of Christ.

@perilousrange

5 ай бұрын

Based.

@7chicken

4 ай бұрын

but why are you not trying to reject the sinful part that is attracted to women? being unfaithful to your partner is not the same as loving another?

@colinsmith1495

3 ай бұрын

@@7chicken I am, trying to every day, with God's help. The difference here is that I fight against it, reject it, and confess that it is sin. Rev. Perry is defending and trying to justify his.

@bucheronlvl.1004

Ай бұрын

You doesn't answered his question being unfaithful is not the same as loving someone

We follow Christ, he does not follow us. I think anyone who cries "Why me" does not understand the assignment we have been tasked with as creatures of God. Being humble and becoming a better person starts with putting what YOU want aside. We are all sinners and perfectly imperfect. But we must strive to be better in everything that we do. I love what you are trying to do Zoomer. Coming together again is key if we are going to stand against Evil. Glory to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Amen.

@user-hs7hw6hq7w

5 ай бұрын

Amen

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

"Being humble and becoming a better person starts with putting what YOU want aside." Like male and female marriage?

@yesman8054

5 ай бұрын

​@@monteirolobato6830putting what you want aside and putting what God wants in the forefront, and the scripture makes it clear where God stands on marriage

@AnuViation

5 ай бұрын

@@monteirolobato6830 "We" don't want anything. It is Law.

@colinsmith1495

5 ай бұрын

I cry "Why me", just not the way he does. "Why me? Why was I offered such an honor? Why was I offered the blood of God Himself for my rotten sins? Who am I to gain such glory?" And I hear in response, "Because I love you, because I chose you."

Abraham "was told" to sleep with Hagar, but by whom? Not by God, by Sarah, who disbelieved God's promise. In the end, it was wrong, and that is a symbol for unbelief in the New Testament.

@MN-ss9xc

5 ай бұрын

That’s what I was saying. He claims to be a reverend but doesn’t remember a fundamental story in the Bible, not to mention using it to justify sin.

@TEENFORMER

Ай бұрын

Honestly made me roll my eyes so hard I wanted to scream when I heard parry say that! And when Abraham did do it, he payed dearly for his mistake too!

This Pastor is a prime example of someone who wants something to be true because he has a vested interest in the outcome.

@JimLarryDan

5 ай бұрын

What is that interest?

@UnitedStatesSpaceForce

5 ай бұрын

​@@JimLarryDanthat being "LGBT affirming" is acceptable in t eyes of God, and he will be accepted.

@thesoldiersside

5 ай бұрын

Pot calling the kettle black for every Christian…

@hungrymusicwolf

5 ай бұрын

@@JimLarryDanHim being queer and part of the LGBTQ movement. Thus if the Bible says that homosexual sex is wrong then he either cannot be queer or he cannot be an honest pastor, so he has to give up one.

@JimLarryDan

5 ай бұрын

So?@@UnitedStatesSpaceForce

Many fruits of The Spirit on display by Redeemed Zoomer here, particularly forbearance and self-control - all without compromising on the truth of God’s word. God bless you, brother.

It's interesting that he says you cannot love someone unless you affirm everything about them. Meanwhile, Jesus says to deny yourself and follow him only.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

The story of Jesus doesn't even make sense. God sends him to die so he can forgive the sins he whimsically declared.

@_draxuz3641

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045God didn’t create sin

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@_draxuz3641 I said declared. As in god declared that this or that is sin according to his subjective preferences. That's why your portrayal of god is flawed. Also god created sin by designing all variables that guarantee each and evey sin.

@reaganlecroy7773

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 Which is exactly why it makes sense, he is the only one who could possibly offer us redemption.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@reaganlecroy7773 You missed the part where he could offer redemption with a snap instead of a messianic drama. I also proved god designs each sin, as every outcome is the inevitable result of the variables of the design.

WARNING: Sensitive content discussed in this comment. Catholic take here. Rev. Perry brings up the possibility that the whole discussion with the lesbian women isn't about women wanting homosexual relationships but about unnatural sexual acts closed to the possibility of procreation. But don't all homosexual acts fit under this category? They're all specifically closed off to the possibility of procreation and all unnatural. He literally says the problem here is anal sex, not gay sex. And that might be all fine and well talking about women, but what about gay men? For two gay men to have sex, we must be talking about anal sex, oral sex, or something along those lines. It seems to me, either way you have to rule out gay sex.

@rondaxen88

5 ай бұрын

That’s a great point.

@joshuatrott193

5 ай бұрын

Well said

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

I think the point is that the Bible does not make things very clear. We must discern the truth as much as we must have faith.

@paulnash6944

5 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@internetenjoyer1044

5 ай бұрын

liberal and progressive theologians are rarely logically consistent or as smart as they imagine themselves to be. this trained, ordained minister just brung up the ignorant atheist "mixed fabrics" argument; who trained this guy?

Historian Rodney Stark writes, "As early as the seventh century, Saint Bathilde (wife of King Clovis II) became famous for her campaign to stop slave-trading and free all slaves; in 851 Saint Anskar began his efforts to halt the Viking slave trade. That the Church willingly baptized slaves was claimed as proof that they had souls, and soon both kings and bishops-including William the Conqueror (1027-1087) and Saints Wulfstan (1009-1095) and Anselm (1033-1109)-forbade the enslavement of Christians. Since, except for small settlements of Jews, and the Vikings in the north, everyone was at least nominally a Christian, that effectively abolished slavery in medieval Europe, except at the southern and eastern interfaces with Islam where both sides enslaved one another's prisoners. But even this was sometimes condemned: in the tenth century, bishops in Venice did public penance for past involvement in the Moorish slave trade and sought to prevent all Venetians from involvement in slavery. Then, in the thirteenth century, Saint Thomas Aquinas deduced that slavery was a sin, and a series of popes upheld his position, beginning in 1435 and culminating in three major pronouncements against slavery by Pope Paul III in 1537." This article is an excerpt from his book, For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-hunts, and the End of Slavery. Copyright © 2003 Christianity Today.

@botanicamelancholia

5 ай бұрын

This! The inherent dignity and worth of all persons made in imago Dei was not a minority position in the Body of Christ. This is what made Christianity a driving force in the abolition of slavery twice in human history: during the decline of the Roman Empire and then the abolitionists of the 18th and 19th centuries.

@solesurvivor7989

5 ай бұрын

The issue is here though however is that some popes promoted slavery of non-christians as did European monarchs in the Early Middle Ages as a lot of early Christians promoted the abolition of slavery among Christians only until St. Augustine and St. Gregory of Nyssa I believe came along and said all slavery is evil and sinful right?

@Winkle-Dinkle

3 ай бұрын

Then you got the stupid guys that advocated for slavery later on lol

@tomasrocha6139

20 күн бұрын

So they were the progressive Christians of their day contradicting centuries of Christian teaching. Rodney Stark was a sociologist.

Ben Perry spent his entire time talking about himself, things that were pleasing to him, and pleasures of the earth. I don’t think he spent a single moment talking about what he or his “congregation” could or should be doing that were pleasing to God. That’s an interesting position for a minister…

@rigdby

Ай бұрын

he was answering the questions that were asked of him lmfao

@haysdixon6227

Ай бұрын

I would be inclined to disagree with Rev. Perry on the main topic, and see where you're coming from, but I think Rigdby's comment is pretty firmly right... he stayed on topic and answered question s in a generally straightforward way, which meant he basically stuck to the "script" of the debate. Then, when (Richard? Idk what Zoomer goes by) gave him space for his final comments, a significant part of them were about thankfulness and appreciation of the conversation. Behaving in a way that's pleasing to God should be our focus, clearly.

When they don't respond with scripture as a defense for their faith, simply put, it has nothing to do with the bible.

@ItsThatGuy1989

5 ай бұрын

Whose interpretation of scripture?

@calebneff5777

5 ай бұрын

@@ItsThatGuy1989 Silence would indicate not even their own.

@BramdeKoning-rq7hc

5 ай бұрын

@@ItsThatGuy1989 I can fully explain why this is true, their arguments on their reading of the bible is being refuted. So when they come with scripture, they have no ground, cause theology doesnt have facts to argue for it. They are beyond it and i think that says enough.

@Namato360

5 ай бұрын

​@@ItsThatGuy1989There are right and wrong interpretations.

@thomasthellamas9886

5 ай бұрын

@@ItsThatGuy1989the correct one

Big props to Redeemed Zoomer for doing this debate, it's good to see that humans can still disagree without, y'know, wanting to kill eachother

@cowboyschad5x778

5 ай бұрын

Sodomy is a sin and has no place being promoted in the church

@jaema8281

5 ай бұрын

Islam still catching up on that one....

@Teracotta88

5 ай бұрын

@@jaema8281 Quite correct, unfortunately

@blocksandbooks273

5 ай бұрын

​@jaema8281 that is unfair to lump all people of one religion together like that, Islam is a religion of peace as most religions are. Every faith has people who claim to be part of it who don't follow doctrine.

@TheMorallySuperior

5 ай бұрын

@@jaema8281leave the faith of god out of this..dont shove it into anything..and no there is no where in the quran where it tells to kill whoever you dont agree with

Jesus didn't say believe in yourself! Jesus didn't say follow your heart! Jesus didn't say live your truth!!! He said believe in me. He said follow me. He said "I am the truth"!!!

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

@Rolando_Cueva

4 ай бұрын

@@monteirolobato6830 nothing

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@monteirolobato6830 That Jewish teachings about sexual immorality had not changed.

I don’t intend to be rude, however, Perry is no Christian. Being a Christian is seeking gods grace even after sinning, however, encouraging sin is of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves TEACHERS to suit their OWN passions.

He's a "pastor," and he references old ceremonial regulations being no longer relevant as his resoning for why homosexuality is acceptable? That's like entry-level Reddit atheist tripe.

@jaihummel5057

5 ай бұрын

Thats what i said haha

@ferniceroom

5 ай бұрын

The Old and New Covenants were clear on it, but I am trying to stop casting the first stone. God knows I am not allowed to.

@freetobememe4358

5 ай бұрын

@@ferniceroom ONLy if you have same sin. Scripture is clear on that and exposing false.

@EldenRingBuildsArchive

5 ай бұрын

Very scary, if the situation in America is that pastors that think that Jesus was basically a socialist and hippy as the common Hollywood view are allowed to get and keep their role.

@Creativethinker12

5 ай бұрын

He later admits that Paul swept away these ceremonial and dietary regulations, so why did he even bring it up as a justification for homosexuality?

"created me this kind of way" can be used to justify literally any sin that's difficult to control.

@isacnascimento897

5 ай бұрын

not at all, no one is created as a murder, but people are created as gay

@joellaz9836

5 ай бұрын

Including tribalism, which he calls something innate to a person yet still considers a sin. It seems something is only a sin when it goes against progressive beliefs.

@MossW268

5 ай бұрын

@@isacnascimento897 Psychopaths have an inclination to want to harm, that would likely fit.

@manatoa1

5 ай бұрын

​@isacnascimento897 an instinct to violence is fundamental to most people, it's just that we invest a lot of time and energy training it out of people when they're children, then use the law to restrain those impulses and punish those who can't or won't be restrained.

@mav.-

5 ай бұрын

​@@isacnascimento897People are not born being gay, this is already scientifically proven. There was a huge debate about it a couple decades ago about the "gay gene". There are no genetic differences that say "this person is born gay". It is something you are raised into, even if you didnt do it intentionally or choose it, it's not something you are just born with.

I love these kinds of conversations. Civil discussions with people we disagree with an topics that are divisive is so, so valuable. It helps with cognitive hygiene, and actively maintaining (not just "holding") our beliefs.

The thing is, as a straight christian I have to deny myself certain worldly pleasures to please God, and follow Chirst. I do not sleep with a hot woman I meet just because she is horny and willing. I have to take things slow, establish a connection and if she is someone who can partner up with as a wife and we can come together under God as one in marriage then it is okay to then have relations with her. Being gay and partaking in the acts is just as wrong as if I would hook up with a hot woman, just being she is there and willing. Most LGBT people seem to be coming at it all from a place of lust, and a love for worldly desires, and not from a stand point of what does God want for me. They seem to be pushing to have us except their brand of sinful lusts, which is no worse nor better than the lust's most the modern hook up culture gives into. It just comes off as I want to have fun, and live for this world, and not as much I want to live for God, and help spread Gods world and teachings to make this world more Christ like. It becomes something more self serving, grounded in lust, pride, and other worldly sins.

@pao2529

5 ай бұрын

You're judging. Are you free of sin? Then you can throw a stone

@ZoKleen

5 ай бұрын

FACTS, this is the TRUTH and many will come after you saying "you shouldn't be judging people......." but you're simply rebuking sinful behavior, and preaching TRUTH. TRUTH hurts sometimes.

@SemiOmni314

5 ай бұрын

@@pao2529we’re called to remove the log from our eye before removing the speck in our brothers. So yeah, he’s judging as a non-hypocrite, as Jesus commanded.

@Lambinoyt

5 ай бұрын

​@@pao2529yet after that incident Jesus said ‭‭John‬ ‭8:9‭-‬11‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [9] But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. [10] Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” [11] She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.” He said sin no more. We are to love one another, but despise their sin. We all have sinned, thus we cannot throw a stone at one another, but that does not mean we should live in sin. Don't use that verse as an excuse for sinful behavior.

@toxicale72

5 ай бұрын

Brother, making a statement and stoning someone are very different@@pao2529

All I hear is mental gymnastics to justify sin 🤸‍♂️

@jhoughjr1

16 күн бұрын

Idk why the emoji amused me but it sticks the landing

He said he doesn't think that the baby is human because it is inside of the womb and unviable outside of it, but in the beginning he cited how the verse in Psalm 139 about how God saw him in the womb of his mother before he was born helped him reach the conclusion that his "queer" identity was valid in the eyes of God. May God help him.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

He's nothing more than a Leftist making a mockery of Christianity. Don't mistake him for any kind of deep thinker.

@agatofelin722

4 ай бұрын

My question to all of this, and I am sorry you happened to be chosen at random, is what do you then think gay people should do? Is priesthood the only acceptable option?

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@agatofelin722 Priesthood (along with teaching or medicine) are absolutely unacceptable options for people with these particular temptations. What we're fighting right now is an epidemic of grooming -- because these people can't reproduce, they recruit, and because they don't respect boundaries, categories, or rules, there isn't any real reason they would stay away from young people (including children). The solution? Resist whatever temptation is put in front of you. All unmarried heterosexual men in a congregation (some of whom will never marry) are expected to _not_ sleep with any of the women there, and vice versa. So, no, there's nothing unique about homosexuality as a sin. And yes, celibacy is what is expected of _everyone_ outside of marriage, and yes, marriage is between one man and one woman for life.

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@agatofelin722 Resisting temptation -- in this case, celibacy -- is the only acceptable option, yes. Just like for other sins. There is nothing unique or special about homosexuality as a sin.

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@agatofelin722 My note to whomever is suppressing these comments -- you can't silence the truth. All you are doing is convincing people who know the truth, just how drastic the necessary actions are going to be, to make sure the truth gets a fair hearing. KZread, you have been warned. Stop suppressing speech.

This is a great example of letting people debunk themselves.

@tropicalpines4585

5 ай бұрын

Yep. I was thinking about the debate with James White, Jeff Durbin, and Brandon (??). The fact that Benjamin’s “Christianity” contradicts what 99.9% of all Christendom has taught for 2 millennia became apparent much faster because Redeemed Zoomer just let him speak.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@tropicalpines4585 Wait until you find out how much the bible contradicts science.

@marvalice3455

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 well, considering "science" is inherently mutable and never completely settled, I don't really have any cause for concern.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@marvalice3455 A lie written in stone is still a lie. Evolution is pretty solid by now, with plenty of supporting evidence. Or do you think gid left fossils to trick us?

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@marvalice3455 So is evolution not settled? Do you think god left fossils to toy with us?

Zoomer: "Where in the bible does it affirm LGBT?" Rev Perry: *silence* Debate over

@BoondockBrony

5 ай бұрын

I find it telling he didn't even try to use the typical translation arguments that affirming Christians try to use. He either isn't aware of those arguments, false as they are or outright realizing he's been lied to.

@michaelseay9783

5 ай бұрын

Ouch

@nicholasguzman5560

5 ай бұрын

1 Samuel 18:1, Isaiah 56:3, Matthew 19:12, Acts 8:36, Galatians 3:28… I would study what a eunuch is and what it means for the church.

@valuestreet4903

5 ай бұрын

Time stamp?

@jackdullboy8723

5 ай бұрын

@@nicholasguzman5560 None of these verses affirm LGBT. Don't cherrypick and misrepresent the bible.

Redeemed Zoomer keeps putting out incredible and useful content tent for our time. Thank you for making this happen!

So Benjamin’s position is basically: The Bible is correct when it affirms my personal views on sexuality and morals, but is incorrect where it does not affirm them. That sounds like some very rocky ground that simply creates a god in our own image.

@pistachexiaohua6705

5 ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought

@colinsmith1495

5 ай бұрын

Best summed up by "I believe my job as a minister is to affirm and teach what I believe about God." No. Your job as a minister is to affirm and teach what GOD TEACHES about God.

@hfarthingt

5 ай бұрын

And his definition of "Christian" was that he wouldn't say anyone who called themselves a Christian wasn't a Christian.

@hfarthingt

5 ай бұрын

It's subjective reasoning.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@colinsmith1495 Their job is not clearly to follow evidence and logic to where they lead. I mean just evolution alone proves the bible is very flawed.

I think though, that people in the church who do have same sex-attraction should be able to talk about it openly. To share their struggles and how God has met them in that, and to not be shamed or silenced, or told to hide it unless God frees them from it. They should not be told to live in it, but they should be allowed to be open about those struggles and boast in God's grace for them. When we are weak, He is strong. Having people who are loved and supported by their church while being open about their orientation will help both new christians who also struggle with same-sex attraction realize they can come to God, and give them hope, as well as show children who realize they also have this struggles that they are not going to have to leave their church or have no one to help them. I am not sure if using LGBT+ identity terms is wrong, because on one hand it makes ones identity their sexual orientation, not their status as a child of God. But on the other hand, it is a clear way to talk about the issue that people who want to come to the faith can understand.

@PenMom9

5 ай бұрын

Only if we apply this to all sin. For example, a man who is only attracted to married women speak openly about this and share his struggles and have all the married guys in his group thrilled to help him deal with his sinful desires. Which we don’t do, because same sex sin (wrongly) gets its own category. Also, we should be ashamed of our sinful desires. We should also live in the forgiveness the Lord gives us when we repent and turn away from them, but the Scripture doesn’t say do not be ashamed of your sin. The opposite.

@dokidelta1175

5 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree with you. Even though I believe that this person is willfully refusing the obvious commands of scripture people in the LGBTQ movement should be able to be open about their struggles

@UnitedStatesSpaceForce

5 ай бұрын

I agree. I've been to many churches where I feel I cannot be open with my struggle with homosexuality for that reason. I believe and am a believer and my struggle with same sex attraction is what I feel my biggest barrier to Christ. I simply cannot change who I'm attracted to and still feel that it's wrong for me to be homosexual. But I also feel it can't be possible that I'm destined to force myself to have no attraction to males and deal with having no marriage at home. I pray I'll find a church where I can be open and progress with these issues one day.

@Nate_88th

5 ай бұрын

It's the same thing as being an adulterer, or having a pornography addiction, or being a kleptomaniac, or being an arsonist. Yeah sure say you struggle with the desires but don't try to change the gospel to be pro sin.

@ellybean7354

5 ай бұрын

@@PenMom9 Oh yes! I wasn’t saying do not be ashamed of your sin. But do not let fear shame you from sharing how God’s Grace has moved in your life. And this applies to all sin. I know Protestants don’t really like it (I am Protestant) but confessing our sins to other believers is a way God has given us to help us come to freedom. We are not meant to struggle alone. Now, I don’t think this means we should all go up onstage and start listing off our sins, by no means. But church should not be a place where we feel we have no true brothers in Christ to confide in and get accountability from

To debate with someone over biblical truth when they've already abandoned it in favor of secular truth, or 'non-reality' is a hopeless endavour doomed from the start. You can't convince him of anything when he doesn't believe the bible to be infallible, and especially can't if he's universalist. I appreciate your serious patience RZ. I could never.

@ctswag4204

5 ай бұрын

While I agree with your broader point, it is never a hopeless endeavor to engage someone in a theological debate in an effort to display the Truth to them. Homosexuals need the Gospel shared to them. They don't have it and they stand dead in their sin. That goes for any unrepentant sinner who has not placed their faith in Christ. Have the hard conversations for the sake of the advancement of the Gospel.

@onleynin

5 ай бұрын

I couldn't either, one of his points for biblical justification of practicing homosexuality was "well even if it was wrong other Christians don't do 'x' either" then proceeds to talk about how "modern" homosexuality is different than it was 2000 years ago. It's truly as clear as day how God feels about homosexuality, as it has been for the past 2 millennia.

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

Biblical truth? No divorce, no killing (abortion and capital punishment), mandatory tithes, no shopping on Sunday, etc... Biblical truth?

@WiIICheck

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@monteirolobato6830 When we examine Jesus' words in the broader context of His teachings, we know right away that He is not telling us to despise people or hurt them deliberately. This is, after all, the same Jesus Who tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves and, even more, as He loves us. What He means here is that we must choose Him above all else in our lives, even the people closest to us. We must love Him more than we love them even to the point of detaching ourselves from them if we must. We might wonder, then, why Luke chose to render Jesus' Aramaic word and Semitic idiom as the strong word “hate” in the Greek. Matthew did not. He translated the idiom rather than the word (and this helps us understand Luke's version better): “Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me...” (Matthew 10:37). So why did Luke, inspired by the Holy Spirit, leave the word “hate” in place? Perhaps he could see that people would need a strong message like this in the future. Perhaps he knew that the shock value of the statement would get people thinking and talking. Perhaps he realized that Christians would sometimes face difficult choices and need to hear strong words to help them choose rightly.

@hfarthingt

5 ай бұрын

Proverbs 26:4-5 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

I personally agree with Redeemed Zoomer

@theperson4yearsago565

5 ай бұрын

Saem

@Garlicbreadsupremacist631

5 ай бұрын

Same

@davisilva1639

5 ай бұрын

Obviously

@josiahbrown8770

5 ай бұрын

everyone dose

@Dr_Zoidberg

5 ай бұрын

Zoomer's obviously the one who won the debate.

7:38 Less than ten minutes in, and I'm already understanding that this guy hears what he wants to hear. If Paul was only rebuking the fact that the masters were raping the slaves, then why did he specifically point out that both parties are male?

@spreadwuvokay

3 ай бұрын

I don't think that's a good argument, if he didn't point out that the slaves were male would that make being gay okay?

@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879

3 ай бұрын

thats simply just not a defeater to the position lol him pointing out more details only indicates hes speaking about a certain type of situation that he might have witnessed or been made aware of

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

​@@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879it is though, because there is even more examples of God telling you to not be homosexual in the bible.

@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879

Ай бұрын

@@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc you do realize they're up to interpretation right? its a matter of you providing a case as to why your interpretation of the text is the correct one lol

The Bible never says follow your heart or you do you. I'm just saying..... pride comes before fall yall.

@artemis_studios6555

5 ай бұрын

well said

He should get his money back from whatever “seminary” he went to.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

Or they should sue him for misrepresenting and disgracing them...

@UmamiPapi

2 ай бұрын

semenary*

He's basing his whole theology on Worldly culture not only our Holy God moral standard. Lean not to your own understanding, but in all thy ways acknowledge God, and he will direct your path.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

And he's saying the religion of God who led the Israelites out of Egypt, is somehow pro-slavery.

@petersaysthings

3 ай бұрын

@@jimluebke3869 Have you read the Old Testament?

45:38 Abraham was definitely not told to impregnate hagar, it's pretty clear that that was an action from lack of faith that Sarah would bear him a child, and laying with Hagar led to conflict with his wife, even though it was her idea.

Perry: “I grew up feeling there was a part of me God didn’t love” That is called sin, we all have some form of it and we all must get rid of it.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

Fortunately, we are saved from it by Christ's sacrifice. Not by our own efforts ("mental gymnastics") claiming the rules are something other than they are.

The way he says gives me the understanding that he thinks the bible is lacking and its not the word of God and he has is own interpretation instead of reading the text as it is.

@misseli1

5 ай бұрын

That's common among those who try to affirm things like this. Their arguments using the Bible are either lackluster or non-existent.

@joellaz9836

5 ай бұрын

All this stuff he uses to justify LGBT like “mutual flourishing” are nowhere found in the Bible. Where does Jesus say that mutual flourishing makes sin okay?

An affirming Christian pastor accusing people of picking and choosing is pretty rich.

@KoiDotJpeg

5 ай бұрын

Right? He kind of acted like the only prohibition of homosexuality was "expired" Levitical law, but Romans also condemns this, and other places too. Yet if you look over the entire Bible, it seems almost as if there is a point being made that same-sex relationships are sinful specifically. If they were permissible in any way, it would be alluded to or stated in the Bible. But that doesn't matter if you throw out inerrancy I guess

@Awaken_To_0

5 ай бұрын

Okay, but is it...y'know _wrong?_ Because it seems like he's right on the money.

@BoondockBrony

5 ай бұрын

@@Awaken_To_0 So it's only picking and choosing in a good way when it agrees with his, and clearly your morality but when *we* "pick and choose" it's bad. Ok dude you missed the point of my statement

@Awaken_To_0

5 ай бұрын

@@BoondockBrony No, I got your point. I wonder if you got mine though, since you seemed to just answer a different question nobody asked? I'll try again: "Is he wrong to say that people on both sides of this debate are picking and choosing?" Be honest, like God calls you to be, and answer. Don't dodge or divert.

@joellaz9836

5 ай бұрын

@@Awaken_To_0 No. Christians are not picking and choosing at all because homosexuality is still condemned in the New Testament.

Please pray for my girlfriend and me. We are in dire need of God's help. He is helping us! Please keep praying! 🙏🏻✝️

@annat2361

5 ай бұрын

I would love to! Anything in particular?

@DouglasGross6022

5 ай бұрын

@@annat2361 It's complicated, to put it mildly. Earlier this year she had a psychotic break that lasted a week. She saw and heard abusive things from me (which, to be clear, I did not do or say). She got meds for a while and it was wonderful again. She doesn't trust me because she believes I'm not telling her the truth about that week. She has told me that she loves me more than she's ever loved anyone and she just wants to come home; followed by her begging me to just be honest with her. No one in her family will help her, and I can do nothing but watch the love of my life endure torment from a distance. I pray several times a day for five to ten minutes. It's agonizing for me but I know it's worse for her. God please help us!

@goragabdula8203

5 ай бұрын

surely, swasti 🕉

@DouglasGross6022

4 ай бұрын

He is helping us! Please keep praying! 🙏🏻✝️

@mr.ocelotguy8995

4 ай бұрын

May God help the two of you

His arguments are all from his own “feelings” and not from the Bible itself

@ElizabethSGebre

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 so on point!

@kyrerymmukk7446

3 ай бұрын

Yeah and it was the same for all the men who wrote the Bible when they made it up.

@CJan65

3 ай бұрын

​@@kyrerymmukk7446 I can't imagine watching Christian discussion/debate comtent just so you can shit on their faith lol. Did you blow in from stupid town?

@aRecount

3 ай бұрын

@@kyrerymmukk7446why are you here?

@petersaysthings

3 ай бұрын

Do you know how many translations the Bible went through and how altered it was over history, long before it was ever standardized in English? And before it was widely available, people relied on the FEELINGS AND INTERPRETATIONS of it from their own religious leaders? Your point is moot.

Very good on RZ for letting his guest talk in length.

Christ is Lord. God bless you Zoomer for remaining respectful and just listening while our fellow friend here spoke heresy

@halo2redvsblue

5 ай бұрын

You can tell in some spots he was already annoyed but he kept his cool and listened, good job Zoomer

This is why the reconquista is important. People will walk into a beautiful Presbyterian church and meet a minister with no intent to save their soul. We can't expect to redeem the culture if we can't even redeem First Presbyterian down the street

@tgrey4827

5 ай бұрын

Amen and Amen

@hfarthingt

5 ай бұрын

I'm a born against Christian who identifies with conservative Baptist tenants, with conviction and Biblical basis, however some beliefs may be partly from upbringing. I break from conservative Presbyterian's on infant baptism, unless it's purely done as a symbol and not as some sort of act that actually redeems a child's soul then I suppose no big deal but not necessary and has more risk of doing harm then good imho, and then on strict Calvinism, viewing humankind's limited free-will and God's sovereignty to both be Biblical truths. I think I could be a "Presbyterian" Christian if I found a church that, along with the core doctrines we already agree on, taught the infallibility of the Scripture and the need to fulfill the great commission : ) I'm encouraged that Redeemed Zoomer is working on this movement! So called Progressive Christianity is wicked and has strayed from the word of God and needs Christians to stand up for the truth despite the odds. Kinda gross how the "Reverend" touted that conservative Christian numbers were dwindling in face of ever increasing numbers of progressive christianity. Makes me think what it must have been like in Israel and Judah right before they were taken into captivity.

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

​@@hfarthingtTbf, he's lying. The Presbyterian, methodist, and mainline churches are being totally destroyed by now. They're closing the most doors, and losing the most members. The most conservative groups are growing, or stabilizing. Islam is heretical, but there's a reason it's growing so rapidly, even in the west. They take and even stronger stance against this mislead people than conservative Christian groups do.

A thought provoking discussion. What I find a bit inconsistent is that at one point, Perry states quite clearly that homosexuality as understood today is not a category that existed back in biblical times. And yet, this relatively new category is something he claims to be an essential part of his (and others') humanity and further is something that God and Christians must affirm. Even among some LGBT individuals, the idea that homosexuality is a fixed and 'real' category is being questioned with newer paradigms like sexuality being on a spectrum, pansexuality, etc. Just as we must critically examine the labels and terms used in the biblical times, I think we need to use the same critical lens when looking at contemporary uses.

@laisphinto6372

4 ай бұрын

IT isnt Something new besides the paintjob

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@laisphinto6372 Agreed. When they can't corrupt the law, they try to corrupt the language. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet; people having same-s*x carnal relations is a sin, whatever you call it. There's a story that goes: At the pearly gate, St. Peter confronts a man about his adultery. "Do you repent of this sin?" "Well sir, I was wearing a [sheepgut] condom, so I wasn't actually touching the woman, so it wasn't adultery." "In that case, I have to ask you: do you repent of buggering a dead sheep?"

Guys, there's a reason God told us its Adam and Eve

You should look up Rev. Christopher Yuan. He is gay and is not LGBT affirming. He understands that in his case, to follow Christ means being single in order to strive being holy. Gay people just want religion to change so that they can live how they want to live not how God wants them to live. It's a social construct, not truth. We all have to strive to be obedient to God regardless of the type of sinful desires that we have.

@averytameburrito3101

5 ай бұрын

Amen

@stevenjames6830

5 ай бұрын

He’s a reprobate

@realestateunplugged6129

5 ай бұрын

Amen, and well said.

@quietude7500

5 ай бұрын

Deny the flesh, follow his teachings and share to save more souls.

@schatzkammerein

5 ай бұрын

that Rev Yuen guy better start repenting of his sinful gayness

38:13 that’s like me saying “because I’m a married man who is attracted to women other than my wife at a core level, you should all affirm me and stop saying that’s wrong of me.” It’s sad that person went that route and killed themself but that still doesn’t make it right. The flesh is inherently evil and it’s a life long battle to reject our earthly desires.

@kriegjaeger

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. They've rebranded the idea of sexual immorality, dressed it up, dumped on rainbow paint and glitter but it's the same thing it's always been. Fleshly lust.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

No, it's just neurology setting attraction in a different direction. That you were indoctrinated into an unproven religion doesn't prove it is evil.

@ScrunchBug22

5 ай бұрын

I don’t know how this understanding of ‘flesh’ makes sense of the incarnation. I don’t think Jesus hated his own flesh, as it was bodily resurrected, even if he never sinned or gave into an earthly desire past what was utmost necessary for him to live here. Also, it seems to make the purpose of the original creation of a material universe fall apart as well. Lastly, Paul talks about each person loving and caring for their own bodies (though I forget the passage). I would also push back too on the flesh being called ‘inherently’ evil as God said after creation that all things He made were good, which includes the fleshes of humanity, of the created Adam and Eve. Sin is what infected the original creation and lead to the separation. Christs bodily death and resurrection reunited us and the creation itself, including peoples flesh imo, back to himself.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@ScrunchBug22 Now you need proof of that other than old book says so.

@oggolbat7932

5 ай бұрын

I don't think the flesh is inherently evil. That is a very Platonian understanding of the body. Flesh is not inherently evil, but it can be evil if it's used for evil.

54:40 "extramarital sex is not inherently sinful as long as everyone involved consents" how is this guy real 😂😂

@HalfEvilTripl3

4 ай бұрын

He's rational and knowledgeable about the true nature of the all loving God and not the narcissistic character humans created.

@yoggothemadgod6196

4 ай бұрын

Are you fucking serious?

@yoggothemadgod6196

4 ай бұрын

Are you fucking serious?

@jimluebke3869

4 ай бұрын

@@HalfEvilTripl3 If you think anyone who effectively says, "Do as you will" is God (or loving) you're absolutely on the wrong track. Whom the Lord loves, He chastises.

@HalfEvilTripl3

4 ай бұрын

@@jimluebke3869He chastises those he "loves." Sounds like an abusive narcissistic brat. I'd rather burn forever, or die a second death than worship such an evil being.

I personally choose to not argue this particular argument, because of my own past but this much I will say as someone who used to identify as queer. The way I feel now, identifying as a man who is attracted to women and who desires women, I am much happier than I was before. And I feel more in alignment with Christ within myself. God gave us free will and I will leave others to walk their path, while expressing love and honor. Have a nice day.

@thomasthellamas9886

5 ай бұрын

Free will?

@MatthewInJesusChrist

5 ай бұрын

@@thomasthellamas9886 Make your point.

@RedeemedReformedRenewed

5 ай бұрын

@@MatthewInJesusChrist I think if he's coming from a Calvinist perspective then he may be implying that the Bible never says we have free will? As a Calvinist I think we do have free will, but we are still bound by sin. We are free, but it all depends on how "free" free is. Hope this helps

@thomasthellamas9886

5 ай бұрын

@@MatthewInJesusChrist I guess my claim would be free will is a meme

@thomasthellamas9886

5 ай бұрын

@@RedeemedReformedRenewed you are making a good distinction between compatibleistic free will and libertarian free will.

Look I grew up reading the kids comic book picture Bible And I still know who's wrong and who's right before even watching this. I'm praying for you, dude. A lot of talk about love. No talk about repentance. All I gotta say is the good Lord rebukes those that he loves.🙏

@nickfoster848

5 ай бұрын

Well love is the most important thing in God’s creation. However, a good parent always loves their child, that does not mean a good parent gives their child free license or tells them that all behaviors are valid.

@colinsmith1495

5 ай бұрын

@@nickfoster848 True love is not 'do whatever you want, I want you to be happy'. True love is 'do what is best for you, reject what will harm you, I want you to be RIGHT.'

@stetsonscott8209

5 ай бұрын

​@@colinsmith1495 except that it seems that sin is allowed for the sake of love, via the necessity of free will in a loving relationship.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

None are right, it is all fantasy. Jist think about it. The very stories of Adam and Noah are physically impossible, there is evidence something else happened and would result in extinction due to incest.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

@@nickfoster848 That still doesn't prove sin exists. Hell the bible says plants were created before the sun at the beginning of genesis.

i wish i could've heard more of what zoomer had to say. he didnt once interrupt perry, but it felt like perry interrupted zoomer just about every time he started speaking. nonetheless, this conversation was much more respectful on both sides than i was expecting; props to you both

An excellent example of Socratic argumentation at work. Ask questions, and watch somebody dig their own grave.

Love thy neighbour in a meaning:„Want best for your neighbour “. Not affirm their deludion. I was gay, but god helped me to go back to normality.

@TheSupaman98

4 ай бұрын

What is wrong with being gay? What is delusional about it? Don’t just say “the bible” actually explain the immorality behind it. Why should it be compared to things like theft, or even murder?

@HeresyInquisitor

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSupaman98the answer is explained perfectly in James, Desire = sin Sin = desire Sin comes from desire and therefore is birthed by it, the desire to sin is what leads people away to begin with and this desire when fully grown brings sin and sin = death So you can conclude that death = sin or caused by since whatever leads to death is a sin.. I’m pretty sure when he said “delusion” he meant Christian’s who believe that God will just affirm their way of life and try to twist scripture to fit their theology Besides even if you weren’t gay your still a liar and liars by definition can’t go to heaven as lies are what Satan thrown out of it. Homosexuality isn’t lawful because it doesn’t follow Gods blue print of life(pro-creation) which is a command therefore deviation is lawlessness and lawlessness leads to death

@oswaldrabbit1409

3 ай бұрын

Praise be to the Lord! I am so glad to hear that.

@funtimefreddy4204

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSupaman98Being Gay by itself is not wrong. Acting on it is.

@jimluebke3869

3 ай бұрын

@@funtimefreddy4204 If you associate your being with a sin, you're not rejecting sin. Best not to "identify as" at all. It's a delusion anyway, to think you're identical to any given stack of social expectations.

His “faith” to me honestly sounds far closer to hedonism than Christianity.

@joellaz9836

5 ай бұрын

“What is consensual and make people happy can’t be sinful” seems to be basically what he is arguing. He really is arguing for hedonism more than anything.

@AgustinQ192

5 ай бұрын

Maybe he has truly faith in Christ but he is making a big mistake in the way he interprets the bible which is evidently biased. I think that if he has truly faith in Christ he will one day end up giving up his sin and stop believing this heresies, which i dont think he truly believes deep in his heart

@mythguard6865

5 ай бұрын

@@AgustinQ192 We can only hope and pray for that to be the case.

@AgustinQ192

5 ай бұрын

@@mythguard6865 surely

I noticed that all of his affirming arguments only came from himself. He put his own opinions and feelings above the word of the Lord our God. He even put words in the mouth of God by declaring what is good and evil for God. While I know this man believes himself to be good intentioned, we know what the path to hell is paved with. Also, i listen to a lot of apologetics for stuff like islam, mormons, lgbt "Christians," gnostics, and other cults, and ive noticed that all heresies or false religions use the word "beautiful" to describe aspects of their theologies

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

It's not surprising that a narcissist like that would only be comfortable when being affirmed.

@crisen_

5 ай бұрын

He actually said he does not believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, so you can't expect a decent biblical answer in the beginning.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

@@crisen_ And he was never so happy, as when he put himself in the place of God.

@kaurpajula2731

3 ай бұрын

Saying that the god is uncaused causer is unlogical and creates another paradox - how was god created if there was no one and nothing to create him. We're back again at the question "where did everything come from", but this time it's even more unlogical because why would there need to be another link? Why is it that god appearing out of thin air and then creating the universe is more logical than the universe itself appearing out of thin air? Why would it need to be more confusing. Just because you can't explain how something started doesn't automatically mean that some god created it. At the start of the chain of events there always needs to be a first action. And that action being universes creation is much more logical than god's creation who then creates a universe. Now suppose there is a god, how would you know that yours is the right one and if the right one is even "discovered". Why would one think that out of all the religions and conspiracies, Christianity is the right one? We as a species need to be always evolving and exploring new things. The moment we stop seeking for answers and start to rely on religion for our answers is the moment objectivity starts dying. Religion is subjective and will forever stay subjective. Science is not, science looks for factual answers that benefit us in the real world. And factually there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. It's not some kind of a disease and it doesn't need to be and can't be cured. Besides, there's nothing to cure. There's nothing wrong with being part of the LGBTQ, no matter what your religion says.

@jimluebke3869

3 ай бұрын

@@kaurpajula2731 Asking, "what caused the uncaused cause" is very simple. Nothing. It's right what it says on the tin. I'm not entirely sure how you missed that. As for whether ours is the right one -- "by their fruits ye shall know them" is one option, and Western Civilization is the most successful civilization on the globe. Our God is worth a look. Our current problems are directly attributable to declining devotion to God, and rising secularism -- we have a mechanism of action and everything (disappearance of meaning, erosion of s*xual mores, getting mass-murder-happy from 1914-1945, etc.) If you don't think there's anything particularly necessary about heteronormativity, have a look at our fertility rates. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Anyway, thank you for playing, but you're just rehashing bad ideas from about 20 years ago (which in themselves were a rehash of bad ideas from 150 years before that.) We're seeing the consequences of a degenerate culture. We are regenerating it, by going back to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Zoomer, your questions and remarks were surgically precise. You were very respectful.

@analternatemultiverse2063

3 ай бұрын

Ah yes, because being blatantly homophobic and telling people in this comment section to remain permanently celibate against men is totally respectful!

@silviomp

3 ай бұрын

@@analternatemultiverse2063 Totally respectful. He's not homophobic, this word doesn't even make sense. Phobia = irrational fear or aversion to something. I think he loves gay people, that's why he tells them the truth.

@analternatemultiverse2063

3 ай бұрын

@@silviomp I didn't invent the word, chief. Go complain to the dictionary or something. It's just a word people use to describe people who are bigoted against homophobes. Which Redeemed Zoomer objectively is. It's not "the truth" to tell them to hide away their sexuality forever and remain "permanently celibate" against men regardless of their sexual preference. He did this in this comment section, and the vulnerable person he told it to listened to him. A person who "loves" gay people doesn't tell them to actively not be gay for life or you're going to hell.

@silviomp

3 ай бұрын

@@analternatemultiverse2063 "Homophobia" is a recently made up word. Nobody used it until 10 years ago. Dude, if you're straight and you sleep with someone else's spouse, it's a sin and you'll go to hell if you don't repent. If you agree with me, you're an "adulterousphobic". If a grown up man wants to... you know what... with children and you say they're wrong, I'll have to label you a "pedophilephobic". Yes, dude, we all need to fight against our natural fallen inclinations. There's nothing God can't change. The world is upside down, now thieves are encouraged to steal. There are pedophiles saying children have sexual rights. Just because it's consented, it's not a sin anymore? According to this World everything is fine since the other person agrees. Well, I don't agree with you, should I label you a "opinionphobic", a "Christiphobic"? If you want to follow Jesus, you need to deny your desires, all of us have to. And yet we won't be saved by our own merits, Jesus paid our debt. However, those who are in the Spirit don't fulfill the desires of the flesh. If you're a Christian, remember that Jesus called sinners sick and He's the doctor. Dude, if you hate Jesus, no Christian will condemn you for sleeping with your own parents. Redeemed Zoomer is just saying what's in the Bible. I perceive hate in you, you're the one who hates people here. I hope you change for the better. All with you all the best.

People have sinful desires, that's a reality all Christians need to acknowledge, and that not everyone has the same sinful desires. For some reason the LGBT crowd thinks some sexual desires are an exception for acting on those desires. They give no such exception to many others including some sexual ones like pedophilia and adultery; although, some excuse the latter now with open marriage and polyamory, and there is a MAP tolerance movement going on as well.

@Dinosaurs847

5 ай бұрын

i feel like you cant compare pedos with LGBT, as one is literally taking advantage of underage people and the other is just somebody feeling happier when around a cerzain gender

@fabulouschild2005

5 ай бұрын

Trust me, most of us in the lgbt community don't want pedophiles to be included in the community

@davidgg8318

5 ай бұрын

I understand where you are coming from, but the whole idea that sexuality is free and should be considered a social construct leads some to conclude that p3d0philia is a social construct and thus can be normalized. Consent is also a social construct so this relativism of social norms will lead to these issues.

@litigioussociety4249

5 ай бұрын

@@davidgg8318 Consent is not a social construct. Either the individual is fully informed, and desires the thing, or they are not. This objectiveness can even be applied to interactions with animals. As such, children are capable of informed consent on anything, or else they couldn't agree to anything, but the concept that "children can't consent" is an arbitrary application of the law that is based in the fact that a kid can easily be coerced or manipulated. Therefore, any bahavior that is suspicious of manipulation, such as physical intimacy, is assumed to be manipulative. When it comes to adults, one usually needs more evidence than age to argue for lack of being informed; although, people with mental disabilities, are severely elderly, are intoxicated from drugs or medicine, etc. could still be treated as unable to consent.

@jdl2962

5 ай бұрын

I know a lot of gay people that are staying in the closet not because they are scared but because they are embarrassed to be associated with the “community”.

Christopher Yuan, Rosaria Butterfield and Becket Cook are examples of Christians who have left homosexuality.

@cruzaderawaken9600

5 ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

@timothyhopper6760

5 ай бұрын

I saw Becket Cook at a conference and heard his testimony, it was amazing and I am so glad you brought them up!

@cruzaderawaken9600

5 ай бұрын

@@timothyhopper6760 I read his book

@timothyhopper6760

5 ай бұрын

@@cruzaderawaken9600 cool, do you recommend it for people who have struggled with this kind of stuff?

@cruzaderawaken9600

5 ай бұрын

@@timothyhopper6760 I recommend Holy Sexuality and the Gospel by Christopher Yuan

This was so hard to watch. I must give credit to zoomer for his patience here.

I just think it's impressive that you can have such a high evaluation of your abilities to interpret the Bible and be so certain of the legitimacy of you interpretations when it goes against 2,000 years of scholarship from people who studied the texts in far more depth and in multiple languages across every denomination of Christianity.

@goddepersonno3782

5 ай бұрын

this is true, although I would caution you with this logic, otherwise you have no choice but to become Catholic/ Eastern Orthodox but I agree that the guiding principles on sexuality are a tradition sealed in the spirit, and to claim that nothing which we previously believed is true is to say that the spirit itself is errant. The reformation claims to be a...reform back to what was previously believed because of our faith in the power of the spirit working through history.

@jonatand2045

5 ай бұрын

And those who follow the old scholarship ignore that their beliefs have been debunked by science and reason. Even the beginning of genesis has plants created before the sun. What do you expect from an ancient book? It's just that accepting an indiferent physical universe would hurt to muuch and even be offensive to some.

@danielkrcmar5395

5 ай бұрын

@@jonatand2045 Most biblical scholars going right back to at least 100 AD don't read the start of Genesis as a litteral event. So try again.

@user-zi7gd9pn3l

5 ай бұрын

@@goddepersonno3782 What happens if you become Catholic/Eastern orthodox?

@BenjaminAnderson21

5 ай бұрын

​@@goddepersonno3782I hope you aren't seriously suggesting that purgatory and seven sacraments came from robust scholarly study of Scripture lol.

There is no group of Christians with a "right to sin". If sexual immorality is ok for some, then it's ok for all. There is neither such thing as a law-abiding criminal, nor an LGBTQ-affirming pastor. Wherever he is leading his parishioners, it is not heaven.

bro spent an hour trying to justify going against God's creation lol

@escapefromthecityand

5 ай бұрын

The world needs a Yes2Day/RZ collab

@kaurpajula2731

3 ай бұрын

Saying that the god is uncaused causer is unlogical and creates another paradox - how was god created if there was no one and nothing to create him. We're back again at the question "where did everything come from", but this time it's even more unlogical because why would there need to be another link? Why is it that god appearing out of thin air and then creating the universe is more logical than the universe itself appearing out of thin air? Why would it need to be more confusing. Just because you can't explain how something started doesn't automatically mean that some god created it. At the start of the chain of events there always needs to be a first action. And that action being universes creation is much more logical than god's creation who then creates a universe. Now suppose there is a god, how would you know that yours is the right one and if the right one is even "discovered". Why would one think that out of all the religions and conspiracies, Christianity is the right one? We as a species need to be always evolving and exploring new things. The moment we stop seeking for answers and start to rely on religion for our answers is the moment objectivity starts dying. Religion is subjective and will forever stay subjective. Science is not, science looks for factual answers that benefit us in the real world. And factually there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. It's not some kind of a disease and it doesn't need to be and can't be cured. Besides, there's nothing to cure. There's nothing wrong with being part of the LGBTQ, no matter what your religion says.

Benjamin Perry and his ilk are much similar to pharisees. They make many exceptions to God’s law to evade what God plainly calls sin. So he says stuff like “God did not completely condemn homosexuality or adultery, he only condemned exploitative or non-consensual aspects of homosexuality or adultery.” Even though nowhere does God in the New Testament make such an exception.

This guy, a pastor, is really defending abortion, extramarital sex, and denial of the Resurrection. Are seminaries just willing to accept anyone? Are parishes just willing to hire anyone with the degree? We all need to pray for the state of the Church. This is beyond concerning.

@jimmythestikman

5 ай бұрын

i would barely call him a christian at this point

@MarianMetanoia

5 ай бұрын

@@jimmythestikman Yeah, he’s the loosest form of a Christian, if he’s one at all. He should not be shepherding a flock.

@BloodwyrmWildheart

3 ай бұрын

"Will preach 4 food" 🤣

Many LGBTQ affirming Christians I've met argue that the only sin of Sodom and Gammora was sexual violence. To which I bring up Leviticus 20:13 "You shall not lie with mankind as with women. That is an abomination". Does that make rape fine. If you believe Sodom's sin does not refer to homosexuality, then you believe this one doesn't either.

@stevenjames6830

5 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as a affirming Christian there is Christian and then there is non-Christian liberal Christians do not exist

@nicholasguzman5560

5 ай бұрын

”“ ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.“ ‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16‬:‭49‬ ‭NIV‬‬ The sin of Sodom was sexual immorality in many ways, (“arrogant and overfed” can mean pride and lust), inhospitality, living their way and not God’s way (which applies to a lot). Read Judges 19, where the female concubine was r*ped. Compare these stories to Abraham in Genesis, who was close to God.. you’ll understand that “homosexuality” was not the sin, but living in the world is. Sodom and Gomorrah were densely populated so homosexuality being the one-liner sin does not make sense. The ancient hebrew translation of Jude 1:7 references Sodom “committing ultra prostitution” aka lust, which is universal, but not same-sex attraction.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

And they have to ignore the fact that they refused to get it on (very unhospitably) with Lot's daughters, specifically calling for the men. They're making excuses for their sins, instead of repenting and accepting grace for them. And this "pastor" is leading people to do so. Any responsible church organization he is involved with, would defrock him immediately.

@MiataKitten

3 ай бұрын

Leviticus 20 refers to putting together a set of rules that are simply to ensure a purity in social hierarchy. They had no concept of homosexuality as a form of love that we do today back then, but rather they saw it as domination through penetration. This is why women like myself were only prevented from sexual intercourse with animals, and not other women. They wanted to maintain a hierarchy, a structure. (Leviticus 20:16) And yes, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is explicitly stated in Ezekiel 16:49-50: “49 Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom thy sister, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and to the poor. 50 And they were lifted up, and committed abominations before me: and I took them away as thou hast seen.” The sin was inhospitality and greed, not homosexuality. This is further proved in Judges 19 (a parallel story to Genesis 19) in which a similar event occurred. A woman this time was raped to death and her body was cut up and sent out as a warning that impurity had once again returned to the land. Now, I am Catholic, but I am also lesbian, but I also do not support the LGBTQ movement. I support love for people, not politics and my views are unbiased and rational, straight from the Latin Vulgate, the most faithful translation of the Bible.

@jimluebke3869

3 ай бұрын

@@MiataKitten I'm not familiar with Catholic liturgy-- does it require its converts to "reject the Devil and all his works and all his ways"?

I clicked this is 1 minute I haven’t watched it but the title tells me “oh no”

one thing i notice is how often he says "for me" "in my faith journey" etc. but it's not about us it's about God's glory

@vincentsalcido9605

3 ай бұрын

Religion is about one's personal spiritual beliefs and relationship with their deity (or dieties)

@BloodwyrmWildheart

3 ай бұрын

@@vincentsalcido9605 Except he's talking about christianity, not religion in general.

I am a bisexual person. If I determined my own morality, I would absolutely pursue sexual relations with other men. However, not only do I know fully well that it would degrade myself and my dignity, as any sexual immorality degrades us, it would also have the same effect on the person I did it with. Not only that, I am absolutely aware of the reasons for why I have these feelings, and they are completely indistinguishable from why I have struggled with alcohol, for example. It comes from a lack of respect for myself, a lack of respect for God, and a desire to avoid the cross. That is why it is sin. Period. Not that I hold myself in contempt for this - sin is inherited, and Christ will redeem me.

@jimmythestikman

5 ай бұрын

stay strong in christ brother

@iamengie2573

4 ай бұрын

Bisexual isn’t a thing

@voltaire3

4 ай бұрын

​@@iamengie2573how so?

@MetalBansheeX

4 ай бұрын

I don't understand why you guys refer to consensual homosexual acts as sexual immoralities. Shouldn't that be reserved for thing like viewing people as sex objects, sexual assault, sexual abuse and bestiality?

@jimmythestikman

4 ай бұрын

@@MetalBansheeX being gay is a sin because we follow what the bible says. Read leviticus 18:22 or 1 corinthians 6:9. it is detestable to the eyes of the lord.

When he's not talking about the gay affirming stuff... this dude actually has some really good points. For example, I wholeheartedly agree that, and perhaps specifically the American church, has fallen into a lack of giving God and the Bible the amount of importance that they deserve. "Coming over next Sunday and we'll bang it out in an hour and have brunch later" is unfortunately something I think is very common. This is like the people that are "culturally Christian", but not truly Christian. Much like the Jehovah's witness Bible, when this guy gets things right, he actually gets them pretty spot on. But, what he gets things wrong... he gets them dead wrong and he contradicts himself.

@JmonVids

5 ай бұрын

That's the insidiousness of the devil being the father of lies. The best lies are always surrounded by truth, and those truths make the lies appear to be true.

@laisphinto6372

4 ай бұрын

People tend to forget that the devil and demons know the scripture well

@corporate.security

4 ай бұрын

@@laisphinto6372 good point!

On Benjamin's website it lists his greatest achievement as 'winning first prize in his seminary drag show'. Says it all really. Desperately sad.

@monteirolobato6830

5 ай бұрын

"His two proudest achievements are skydiving with his grandmother and winning first prize in his seminary drag show." I think this shows some humor. His 'real' achievements are certainly more traditional.

The issue is that, instead of seeking the wisdom of The Lord, he came to the conclusion that his homosexuality is a “core” part of his identity. “5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. 7 Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. 8 It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.” His argument is that because he felt this urge since his youth then it must be right. That’s not how morality works. I can personally attest that I have struggled with various sexually immoral urges since i was very young. In fact, some of my earliest memories are of these urges. That does not make them right or good. Plenty of kids struggle with the urge to steal, to do violence, to lie, to covet, etc, but that doesn’t justify these urges. Scripture says that “for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth”.

@jimluebke3869

3 ай бұрын

Well said. The idea that "cuzzawanna" justifies any actions, is from religions that say "do as you will" -- and that is absolutely NOT Christian.

@milkmaster87

3 ай бұрын

His argument would basically say that a serial killer has an internal urge that is a core part of them AND because of that we should affirm that part of them and allow them to continue with their violent urges unimpeded. Absolutely vile.

Beautiful discussion, both parties layed down their opinions and arguments in very respectful and comprehensible ways while genuinely trying to understand the other one's views

So... At 18:55 he says that to be a christian you need to believe in some core beliefs, like the divinity of Jesus and His physical resurrection, but seconds later he is already saying that not believing in that does not equate to someone not beeing a christian. When we try to affirm everything we end up like this, in constant contradiction.

@spreadwuvokay

3 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure if you believed Jesus died on the cross for your sins and you worship him you get to call yourself a Christian. It's a very inclusive religion, you could even be gay and be a Christian if you want clearly.

@joaoleal2912

3 ай бұрын

@@spreadwuvokay If that's your opinion on the matter, although I don't agree, my point is not to confront your view. I was pointing out the errors in Benjamin Perry views. He said what he said, not you.

@spreadwuvokay

3 ай бұрын

@@joaoleal2912 He didn't contradict himself though.

@joaoleal2912

3 ай бұрын

​@@spreadwuvokay He is asked what defines a christian, what makes you a christian, and he answers with what I said in my first comment. As he is answering he contradicts himself. If you ask me what makes me portuguese and I answer "Having portuguese nationality" and seconds later I say "Not having portuguese nationality does not equate to you not beeing portuguese" that is a contradiction. Is saying A is equal to not A. If you don't think he contradicted himself I'm honestly not going to discuss that. Have a good day, and God bless you.

@spreadwuvokay

3 ай бұрын

@@joaoleal2912 That's not what happened here.

Why do they always start with their feelings instead of scripture and Church Teachings? 🙄🙄😒

@jonathankotyk3075

4 ай бұрын

Narcissistic idolatry.

@fwjchimschurmanchannel

4 ай бұрын

Because they’re wrong

@analternatemultiverse2063

3 ай бұрын

Because your stories don't matter, grandpa. Go back to bed and stop forcing your bigoted boomer beliefs on other people.

@Bruh.Andrew

3 ай бұрын

hedonism

Love the sinner, hate the sin. I think Benjamin can't admit that it is a sin (the same way drug addicts can't say they're addicted) and is being delusional. In the most respectful way, I gotta say, none of the argument he brought couldn't be defeated by logic or bible study. He's being emotional on the subject (voice flow and pitch can be observed).

@nib6383

5 ай бұрын

Well said

@mav.-

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely. He wants, and really needs, his view to be correct, otherwise he will have to face his sin which is terrifying. If someone wants to believe something is true, they will make the evidence. He laughed whenever he was confronted with his own contradictions.

@oggolbat7932

5 ай бұрын

Being emotional is fine as long as you don't abandon logic in the process. Sadly, I think he does.

@7chicken

4 ай бұрын

love is drug abuse 😭what a foul outlook on life

@pistachexiaohua6705

4 ай бұрын

@@7chicken how is it a foul outlook on life? It's in the Bible. Plus, love is only in a comparison here to help you figure out, you can turn that comment how you want the message still remains: love the sinner hate the sin. Same sex marriage or relationships are a sin.

He seems like a really nice guy but oof his explanations were all over the place. edit: I just wanna say also though that even though I disagree, I believe God loves him and he is a human being who we should treat with dignity and respect! He stayed very respectful in this conversation even when he clearly was a little ruffled, and I respect that as well!

@jesusloveskayla

Ай бұрын

i agree

10%?!? Is he really still using that bogus stat? It's 5% or less.

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

More like 0.5% or less. Look at the stats for their getting marriage licenses. It's something like 0.1% of the population.

@dracofirepants8758

3 ай бұрын

an article by NBC says that 9% of adults identify as queer, wikipedia says around 10%. please do your reasearch before claiming innacuracy.

@Bruh.Andrew

3 ай бұрын

@@jimluebke3869 in 2021 5.5% of the us population say that are part of the lgbt

@kaurpajula2731

3 ай бұрын

​@@jimluebke38693%

As soon as a saw he/they next to Rev Perry's name, I knew exactly how this was going to go.

The first 4 minutes I get that from his testimony he didn’t change his lifestyle but changed how he viewed god to have a relationship with him. Pretty shaky foundation

God bless this poor delusional man. And God bless you Zoomer for always being salt and light. Prayers for this man’s flock

@jimluebke3869

5 ай бұрын

This man's flock should seek elsewhere for a shepherd.

I thought he seems like a genuine Christian despite being LGBTQ affirming in the first couple of minutes, but it started to be clear that he's missing the overall most important message of Christianity, and pretty much putting in whatever he feels like he wants to believe.

In Eastern Orthodox church you will never have questions like this...

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

One of the main reasons I'm thinking of going there. They also don't require you to call jews your best friends and brothers.

For him to say that’s your interpretation of the gospel is wild. You can’t just interpret the Bible and gospel anyway you want and still be intellectually honest.

@shches8480

2 ай бұрын

It's wild for me to believe your claim that the Bible is a book devoid of interpretation. There's an entire discipline of study built around biblical interpretation - it's called Hermeneutics.

@coolestcookie4ever588

2 ай бұрын

yes you can. thats why there are so many denominations that each interpret the bible differently

@vallecend6855

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@shches8480Dude literally said you can’t interpret it “ANYWAY YOU WANT”. Not that you can’t interpret it in ANY WAY whatsoever… There are a set of rules to follow, just like how you can’t write a scientific paper anyway you want, but that does not mean to say you can’t write a scientific paper at all. You can’t just bullshit your way and call it “scientific”, you need to provide data, evidence, reference, etc etc. I suggest you take on that study, since it seems that it can be very useful for you and your way of understanding sentences and words.

@vallecend6855

Ай бұрын

Yeah it’s wild. Which is why Protestantism as a whole is questionable to say the least.

I feel that we often don't address the fact that maybe their homosexuality is the cross that they've been given to carry by being celibate, the same way that lust is the cross to carry for many men. I feel that Protestants, because celibacy isn't really ever discussed, never address this with their homosexual brothers and sisters, and instead focus on trying to make them straight, when in reality, that's never going to happen. In the Catholic Church being celibate isn't seen as a bad thing. Our Priests themselves are celibate and their celibacy is celebrated by those that understand it. Ascension Press has testimonies to this on their channel too.

@vincentsalcido9605

3 ай бұрын

The fact that an all loving god would make some of his creations more prone to sin than others is kind of a dick move. Though it is clear he isn't an all loving god, to be fair; it's only claimed that he is

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

​@@vincentsalcido9605Everyone is driven to sin jack, and God didn't make you that way, you did.

@vincentsalcido9605

Ай бұрын

@@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc He literally did though? According to Christian mythology, he literally created everyone and everything; thus he literally created sin, and created people, and he created them in such a manner that they're prone to sin lol.

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

@vincentsalcido9605 No, he didn't, go read Genesis. He created the first man and woman. From there, we led ourselves to sin, and from the continuing generations, they were born in sin. You don't even know what you're talking about, and your atheistic perspective is obvious. Go read the bible and make your case from that point of view. Just sitting there, completely misunderstanding theology, and griping about what you think Christians believe in no way proves your point.

@VuahdjahfnFjakxpgmanc

Ай бұрын

@@vincentsalcido9605 Again, you don't even know how Christians view God, and yet you're arguing from a perspective of how you view Christians view God. It's a bad faith argument, and truly isn't worth my time, but if you're willing to discuss this in good faith, then I'm happy to spend my time on it.

The fact that zoomer spent almost the entire time asking questions and listening says a lot. Not just about his character, but about his confidence in his own position. Allowing untruths to be spoken frankly is a powerful tool if you actually believe they are untrue.

I have many gay friends. While I don’t approve of their lifestyles, I won’t shun them, because I know how dead we all are in sin. Rev Perry is a real one for agreeing to the debate. God bless.

@stegosandrosos1291

4 ай бұрын

Stop being theyre friend, you are doing a disservice to them and to you

@hunivan7672

4 ай бұрын

@@stegosandrosos1291 you are a bastard

@analternatemultiverse2063

3 ай бұрын

@@stegosandrosos1291 And why is that, sweetie? Because your magic book of ancient stories told you that gay people are evil supervillains who are going to be tortured for all eternity for no reason other than the fact your god is objectively a hateful narcissistic asshole not worth worshipping? Cool story, bro! Do you also believe Harry Potter? EXPECTO PATRONUM!

@funtimefreddy4204

3 ай бұрын

I feel like shunning is different than discussing and listening. Jesus didn’t shun, he listened, gave compassion, pointed out their sin and told them to sin no more.

As Christian’s I think Matthew 7 : 22-23 is one of the most important verses to remember to prevent us from thinking we have heaven secured regardless of how we allow ourselves to live just because we proclaim Jesus is our Lord & Savioir & do good works in His name. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

I commend this man for having faith and persevering through his own personal struggles as many of us have an ugly cross that we bear. Though I’m not LGBT affirming, I do empathize with how difficult it must be to deal with an attraction that you have little control over. This man is calm, respectful, and you can tell that he is trying to find God.