there are diffrent jedi martial arts - seven to be precise Form I Shii-cho. which is based on brought and simplistic sweeping movements and releasing one self into the force. It's considered to be the tutorial style but a master who uses that form is able to release him/her self so far into the force that he becomes a randomised martial hurricane. It's also perfect for dealing with multiple opponents. We don't really see that style in the movies but the posterboy for it is Kit Fisto. Form II Makashi. A form developed purely for lightsabre to lightsabre duelling. It basically looks a combination of sabre and rapier fencing. the posterboy for that style is Dooku. Form III Soresu. A purely defensive form. based around tight efficient movement. It was originally designer to harmlessly (for both the shooter and the jedi) deflect incoming blasterbolts but it has been modified to work as duelling form as well. It is said that nothing can penetrate the defence of a Soresu master. The poster boy for that style is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Form IV Ataru a purely offensive form. It is based around acrobatic movements and elaborate (and fancy) blade work. It also incorporated physical attacks like kicks in ones lightsabre fighting style. It was the most popular style during the clone wars (of course that was retconed later to justify the spinning and everything). It's also a gateway to Jar'kai (Dual wielding). The posterboy for it is Yoda Form V Shien/Djem-so. This fighting style came in two variants but both were build around the principle of blocking/parrying and immediately countering. Shien was geared towards blasterbolt deflection back at the shooter. Djem-so was duel-centric variant. It also relied heavily on the practioners strength. The posterboy for that style is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader Form VI Niman. Also known as the moderation form. It takes elements from all the previous forms and combines them. It also emphasises on the use of one's force abilities in his/her lightsabre sequences. But since it's Called the moderation form it balances out everything. While it in fact is combination of all previous forms a Niman practitioner won't be as strong as a Djem-so specialist but faster but not as fast as a Ataru specialist. It also acts as a gate way to Jar'kai. We don't see that style in the movies. But the one most people consider to be the posterboy is Exar Kun from the tales of the jedi comics but since he is a comic book character we don't see it in motion so if you want that you should check out the star wars the old republic 'return' trailer. Kao Cen Darach (the guy with the green lightsabre) seems to be using Niman. But that's just pure speculation on my part. His style has not been confirmed in any source. And last but not least we have Form VII Juyo. It's the most aggressive form of them all. It has zero defensive capabilities it's pure offense. It also heavily relies on the users emotions, especially on one's rage, passion and enjoyment of combat (iirc only jedi master were allowed to study it, if it all in certain points in Jedi history it was completely banned). It is based around randomised, spastic and staccato like movements. The posterboy for this style is Darth Maul. There's also a variant of the seventh form called Vapaad. It was developed by Mace Windu. But explaining that one would take for ever. But like in real swordsmanship not every application of the forms is the same and a lot of Jedi and Sith combine multiple forms into their own personalised fighting style. For example Both Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader use Djem-so (the strength oriented style) as the backbone of their personal style but Anakin combines it with Ataru (the fancy acrobatic one) compensate for Djem-so's lack of mobility and speed. While Vader on the other hand combines Djem-so with Makashi (the rapier/sabre fencing one). Since Ataru was made impossible for him due to the heavy suite and prosthetics he has to wear. this was just a really really rough break down. If you want something more precise either contact me or (and that's what I recommend) watch Jensaarai1's videos on the seven forms.

@neodekimas2865

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for writing that m8, It's really interesting and important information which I think the Metatron should have introduced in the video. You can't talk about lightsabers without mentioning the forms!

@MPPRODUCTIONSger

8 жыл бұрын

Yeahr you can't do that :D He also forgot to talk about the gyroscopic effect of lightsabres and that there are infact training sabres with a lower energy output. So they only hurt a bit when you got hit by them. There still some other things missing in terms of lightsabre lore but those are rather minor things. To be honest I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed in this video, it just doesn't seem as well researched as his other videos. Still a good viedeo though. Just nothing new for hardcore deeplore fans :D

@FalconWindblader

8 жыл бұрын

He's referring to how the fighting arts're portrayed in the movies specifically. of course, from the EU we know that there're old 7s, but they're very poorly displayed in the prequel films. hell, just to give an example, Count Dooku in the films didn't even know how to hold his sword right! Let alone actually fighting in his supposed specialty--the Form 2.

@EratoTiaTuatha

8 жыл бұрын

This comment prevented me from getting angry nerd tears at the video lol. Thanks for having the patience and knowledge to explain the forms so well ;) [I bow to your superior knowledge too, I barely know anything about the ins and outs of lightsaber combat myself lol]

@MPPRODUCTIONSger

8 жыл бұрын

EratoTiaTuatha No probelm :D I you have any further questions feel free to ask and I'll try to answer them as best as I can :D

Metatron, man, have a seat because I'm gonna take you to church, brother. Read into the expanded universe, everything will fall into place. There are SCORES of different fighting styles for the light saber, ranging from more defensive techniques, heavily aggressive, or even a a one handed technique great for taking on more than one opponent at once (Duku and his curved handle saber). It also depends on the type of saber (i.e. Length, hilt, modifications, type of hilt, type of power crystal, how stable the crystal is, what side of the force you are using, your culture, it's just so extensive. All of these techniques could be based on every martial art in the world and their variations if you should so inquire. The "blade" of the lights aver IS plasma, not light, this is cannon. The blade technically has a 'weight' and I use this term sparsely. The gravitational effects of plasma in polarized magnetic containment would gain in force as torque increases. (Continued in part 2)

@tegrin853

8 жыл бұрын

Because of those physical properties, there always feels to be an impending 'push and pull' to the weapon, as if it would suddenly gain tremendous weight if swung too harshly. An average person wantonly swinging the light saber might be suddenly overwhelmed by the torque and cause a gruesome accident. This is why the light saber is used exclusively by force sensitive folk with only a handful of very exceptional exceptions. In contrary to popular belief, the light saber requires tremendous strength, focus, and dexterity to use effectively. These attributes being more easy in the coming to force users, there is a very wide skill gap with these terribly effective weapons. This entails their use as heavily limited, and therefore hard to counter. (Jedi knight- in part 3)

@tegrin853

8 жыл бұрын

A Jedi knight, much like a European knight and arguably the Japanese samurai, are professional warriors for their entire lives. They all serve under fielty to a commanding power and philosophy. Lords and Chivalry, Daimyo and Bushido, The Jedi Consul/The Senate of the Republic and The light side of the force. They are all the same in rationality. Knights themselves are field operators of the Jedi consul and answer to higher ranking councilors. I really appreciate the work that you do mate! It's a pleasure to teach you! Cheers and happy days to you!

@gandalftheantlion

8 жыл бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble... But Disney shutdown the EU... I know, when I heard it was a sad day...

@tegrin853

8 жыл бұрын

+gandalftheantlion What are they gonna do, Start a book burning? All they've done is separate the community. I don't think many people will care what a company says is 'real' in a fictional universe. JarJar could be a Sith Lord for all someone could care.

@gandalftheantlion

8 жыл бұрын

Tegrin I know, its just sucks that none of the stories are canon now. They had some of the best stories that *were* canon.

The jedi have seven different styles of combat. You should look them up and do a video on them.

@LancetFencing

5 жыл бұрын

Gundam619 the combat that people pay for in these light saber combat classes would be better off learning to fence. the bullshit techniques they use are misinforming and useless

@ParanoeX

5 жыл бұрын

@@LancetFencing the fencing style IS one style, its the most defensive and often said to be the most effective too

please do a video talking about the 7 lightsaber forms

a collab between lendy, Scholargladitoria, skal, and metatron would be amazing

@jagk-du3yw

8 жыл бұрын

Investing here

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

that would be awesome indeed

@jagk-du3yw

8 жыл бұрын

Metatron I look forward to it

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

Pnarhavi Headhunter Edge Lord I doubt I can reach Lindy and Skalla's attention, my channel is still too small. Matt Easton's on the other hand has mentioned that, so eventually I think we will make a video together and that would be amazing indeed and a great honour

@jagk-du3yw

8 жыл бұрын

Metatron Probably if somehow we were to catch Skalla's attention, your channel could grow a lot more

There were 7 Classical Form of Lightsaber Combat, each developed for a specific purpose with some sort of source: Shii-Cho was the first form. It was developed very early into the lightsaber's history, and proved to be sufficient for the threats at the time. It was mainly based on contemporary sword combat, as the Je'daii, and the later splitting version of the order, the Jedi and the Sith, were all still using metal blades imbued with the power of the force. They found that many mechanics and techniques translated rather well into lightsabers, so they saw little reason to change it in any significant amounts. Makashi was the second form. It was developed as lightsabers were becoming more accessible for the Jedi and the Sith, and the previous form, as useful as it would remain for generations to come, was insufficient for the rising popularity of the weapons. So it was developed to be specialized specifically for Lightsaber duels, and would be considered for generations to come as the ultimate dueling style. Soresu was the third form. It was developed as Blaster technology became more popular, and while they were aware that lightsabers could defend against blasters, the forms they had at the time were almost worthless against blasters. And so lightsaber duelists would specialize in defense, producing the most pacifistic lightsaber form of all. It's greatest master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, was described as being able to walk through a swarm of blaster fire unharmed. Ataru was the fourth form. It was developed by those who used the force to enhance their physical capabilities far beyond what was normally achievable, and yet found that none of the forms accomodated it. And so, they developed the aggresive, yet very force attuned form, to push their enhanced abilities to the limits, resulting in a form that eviscerated most opponents. Form V was split into two variants; Shien and Djem So. Form V was developed by soresu masters who found the form to be too passive and not offensive enough. And so, it was developed to answer the issue. It was the strong duelist's form, emphasizing powerful blows and blocks based solely on raw physical might. It had two variants. Djem So was geared towards lightsaber combat, meanwhile, Shien was geared towards blaster combat. But, this was not to say that one was only good for one thing while the other was only good for something else. A feature very commonly associated with form V was blaster bolt deflection, sending rounds back to the firers. Niman was the sixth form. It was developed by Jedi Consulars who preferred to spend time studying the ways of the force and of diplomacy over that of war. And so, they developed Niman to be a Jack-of-all-Trades form, with no true weaknesses, but no true strengths either. It was a rather abstract form, allowing much room for improvisation and resourcefulness. Niman incorporated dual wielding into itself for those interested. It's teachers would encourage using the force in conjunction with the form, pushing and pulling opponents. Form VII was split into two variants; Juyo and Vaapad. It was the seventh and final lightsaber form developed, and saw widespread use amongst darksiders such as the sith, but there were some rare ledi who practiced it. The form had an emotional requirement; to hate one's enemy, to feel only rage and pain, and to want the fight to end. Because it required use of darker emotions, then it had many sith practitioners, such as Darth Maul and Darth Sidious, also known by his public identity as Sheev Palpatine. Juyo was the millennia old variant, which was raw and considered by the jedi to be unfinished. It wasn't until Jedi Masters Mace Windu and Sora Bulq that it would be completed, taking the form of Vaapad, which is described as a state of mind rather than a martial art. It still required the practitioner to tap into the dark side, but more in a way that the individual channels their inner darkness for the fight, and used it for good. It only ever reached it's apex one time; the duel in Palpatine's office at the end of Episode III, as the form also channeled the opponent's dark side against them, and they would return that dark side, and it would be channeled back, resulting in an almost endless loop. Darth Sidious was filled with rage and hate during the duel, and thus, his hate and rage made the form even stronger.

Ah saber resistant materials, Phrik, Cortosis and Mandalorian Iron/Beskar are the only ones I know. I guess Beskar and Phrik are just very heat resistant, Cortosis is a different matter altogether since it completely shorts out the weapon upon contact if it's pure enough. Also supposedly there's a training setting for sabers, however the hell that works..

@ig33ku

8 жыл бұрын

Gotta love the vibroblades.

@razgrizknight8818

8 жыл бұрын

It works by buffing the magnetic field containing the plasma massively so it only causes burns instead of killing you or cutting. Burns hot enough that you really don't want to be touched by a lightsaber in training mode

@arx3516

8 жыл бұрын

It would be funny to see how an average jedi fares against a warrior wearing a full suit of mandalorian iron armor! Even better if the warrior is an experienced mandalorian like Jango Fett, or even Mandalore the Ultimate! BTW i was always interested in the weapons Siths and Jedi used before the inventon of the light saber, like the jedi katana or sith sword.

@gslinger19

7 жыл бұрын

They'd do fine after a bit. Mace Windu cut Jango's head off where the armor was weaker it seemed to me. I don't think a decent Jedi wouldn't be ready for that in some capacity. Not saying they'd win every time or anything like that though. Cause they did lose to certain warriors and had a bit more trouble with certain warrior societies like Mandelorians for instance. If I recall in the game Knights of the Old Republic the character Canderous talks a lot about it. Not canon but still it can be assumed the Mandelorians are just as tough in the new one.

@ig33ku

7 жыл бұрын

gslinger19 Well cuter at least.

I think that there's a relatively reasonable retcon for the differences between lightsaber combat in Episodes I-III and Episodes IV-VI. In the prequels the Jedi have been training all their lives in the use of lightsabers and the force and we are for the most part seeing younger Jedi or very experienced and powerful masters, all of whom are able to regularly train against other force users. In Episodes IV-VI we only see an elderly (Late 50s), out of practice Obi-Wan Kenobi who is trying to delay and distract Vader, an Older (early to mid 40s) Darth Vader who is in a clunky and ill-fitting/painful suit that limits his mobility, and Luke Skywalker who has a few days, maybe a week of training with Obi-Wan and at most a few months(but probably less) training with Yoda, but still shows flashes of a more athletic style than Obi-Wan and Vader, especially in Return of the Jedi. Further in both of his duels with Vader, Vader's goal isn't to kill, but rather to capture and convert. So Vader is naturally going to be more defensive and focus on letting Luke do just well enough to survive. When Luke manages to get through his defenses in Empire Strikes back and wound Vader's arm, Vader promptly responds by knocking Luke's saber aside and cutting his hand off, showing how superior his skill was. In Return of the Jedi, Luke is only able to best Vader after he has been goaded into giving in to his emotions and anger.

Love your videos and channel, Metatron. Keep up this awesome work!

They do have different styles of lightsaber combat. There are seven forms and they are very different from each other. Ataru or form IV is very flamboyant and acrobatic while Soresu or Form III is a lot more minimalist.

I like how Metatron reads his books with the camera on and his mic in hand. Always ready. Great video as always, my friend! It's really nice seeing the channel growth since I started watching, about a year ago. This is one of the few channels I actually go and re-watch some of the older videos, which are as good as the new ones. Keep 'em coming.

I only discovered your channel a few days ago. I have been watching more of your recent ones, but I am so happy that I found one that you talk about the Jedi and the Light Saber as Star Wars is a huge part of my life. Thank you for this video.

The New Hitachi Lightsaber: toasts bread as you slice it!

I never saw this one coming. As always, a great video. Nice to have a surprise like this.

+Metatron, there is one more thing to consider: jedi knights can "cloak" in the middle of the battle. Those cloak technics works like full body armor.

Great video, Metatron. You seem to be quite a bit better informed than the other KZread channels on how a lightsaber works.

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked it!

Bravo metatron I subscribed when you had around 7k subscribers and now that has multiplied 8 times. That is something to be very proud of. Good job.

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal!

I think lightsabers canonically have intensity settings so the strength can be turned down. Going from a blade that can cut through most things to one that leaves slight burns, so training light sabers with low intensities were used to train padawans.

I really appreciate you and your content. Cheers!

It's true that the mass of a light saber "blade" is negligible. But the lore also indicates that because of the containment field it resists being moved through the air (sort of akin to a gyroscopic effect), which means it functions like it has mass, to a degree.

If you're now into sci-fi stuff, I have a suggestion. You can make vid about unarmed (or armed, doesn't really matter) fight inside a powered exoskeleton. Something like, "How Iron-Man should fight melee", or "The protoss Zealot and the psi-blade.". I think they would use maybe kombination of box/wrestling (or whatever, I don't know names of modern melee sports) and sumo.

@petrodeloro

8 жыл бұрын

By the exoskeleton thing I mean something like power-armor.

@tichepotato7992

8 жыл бұрын

That's a really interesting idea. I would like to see that.

@SergMuller

8 жыл бұрын

This also includes Darth Vader as he is incapsulated in a body armor that is also a life support and prosthetic limbs to him. Some reviews noted that the style of his fighting as a Darth Vader is different to that of Anakin not only because there's obviously been another combat consultant, choreographer and stunts, but also just because with such an exoskeleton you couldn't use old technics and had to adapt heavier chops. General Grievous' exoskeleton is a lot more mobile (in joints) instead, that's why he can afford swinging lighsaber in an uncommon ways. But also, this is very different to what he could have learned as a, well, 100% biologic entity.

@petrodeloro

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I'm not so big fan of SW, so I didn't realize theese two.

Honestly,I think the jedi should be called "Jedi monks". Since they aren't allowed to have children, and they are actually following a religion of sorts with the force and all that. They seem more like monks to me than knights.

@willl676

8 жыл бұрын

Honestly, they're both. They operate in the same fashion of the Knights Hospitaller or Buddhist Warrior Monks of the Sengoku Jidai period of Japan. They are trained in fighting, healing and diplomacy but are bound by codes of self defense, much like the aforementioned real life orders. However there were a few times where the Jedi operated in a very military fashion, e.g when the Mandalorian Wars shook the galaxy circa 3976 BBY (Before the Battle of Yavin) or when the Sith under Lord Kaan went on a full assault on the Republic but more specifically the Jedi, which in turn caused the Jedi Council to militarize and pretty much take over the Republic's government under the so called Army of Light. There are a number of other conflicts as well.

@thatchannel195

5 жыл бұрын

They have a code so

@joshuajwars4271

4 жыл бұрын

They combined Way of Warrior and Chivalry but in a cool way.

Very good explanation for the muscle strenghtening and weakening thing. I've just watched the science behind swords carried on the back, and I have to say you are doing fantastic videos. I've never liked history due to my lack of interest in memorizing dates, but I always loved to learn how things worked back then, and you have brought my attention. Keep up the good work :)

personal theory of lightsabers is the containment field is a magnetic field that holds the charged particles of the lightsaber and effectively projects the field in an arch but contains it due to a spin in the containment emmiter, which is why you get the humming and the lore wise shaking of the hilt, it would also explain why the sabers would stick and make a god awful sound while doing so because whith that much magnitisim in such a close proximity they constantly repel and draw each other together causing a lot of micro hits on each other's blades. also as a note of why they could have gone from more acrobatics to kendo style is because you had a bunch of masters in their prime or people spending years learning, then in 4-6 you have an old man who's lived in the desert for 20ish years after suffering from a 3 years war and an extended fight in a volcano(poison gas and whatnot being breathed in,) trying to train a farm boy how to use a weapon that if he drops it while it's over his head he could kill himself. so a more modest approach would be best using a very safe form of fighting where the blade is not sweeping around you body like a nunchuk and instead is always facing away from you. also it doesn't hurt that your opponent is a 45ish man who has poor prosthetic equipment for the era and exists on basically 24/7 life support and is in constant pain from the equipment. he's not going to be trying to go all kungfu eighter especially since he can barely jump with the force due to his weight.

Found your channel after Skallagrim mentioned yours during the For Honor Game Theory debunking he did. Your explanation of the pseudoscience behind the lightsaber was both succinct and informative to such a perfect degree. Additionally, I think if you go back and view the designs and combat styles of the Tales of the Jedi comics I believe published by Marvel, you may be pleasantly surprised by the variety of visual styles and how the lightsaber duels actually looked like duels. Regarding Lightsaber resistant material, there are three that I know about. Cortosis: a lightsaber resistant material which debuted as a plot device for Micheal Stackpole's novel, I Jedi. Phrik: invented specifically for a videogame, Dark Forces, which takes place between the original trilogy movies as its own plot device to make the Dark Troopers capable of fighting anything including jedi. Mandalorian Iron: which first appeared in the Tales of the Jedi series as "resistant to lightsaber attacks" and was somewhat recently given a native name "beskar" by writer Karen Traviss for her invented Mandalorian language used in her novels.

but, can you end them rightly!?

@nicolasbourbaki6134

5 жыл бұрын

Signaidy my FX lightsabers have pommels so yes.

@adenkyramud5005

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicolasbourbaki6134 wonderful, end your enemies rightly or get ended yourself

Really enjoyable video, and a big break from Skallagrim. One thing to say, the Cross Guard was made for more then a trend purpose. I don't know how much you know how the lightsaber is supposed to work, but the red colour is caused by red crystals within the saber, and the red crystals are almost always synthetic. The certain crystal used in the Cross Guard sword was very unstable, and used the cross guards as a way of venting excess energy/plasma so that it doesn't overload and explode. Though, imo, I think it would make more sense if he made the saber longer rather than spreading it out. So no, its not made to protect, its made to keep the lightsaber from exploding and singing your hand. Also, the lightsaber resistant material you are talking about is called Vibro. It's used in physical weaponry in the lore of Star Wars for combat against Jedi. It does make a large appearance in the Knights of the Old Republic series. Hope this helps!

I've been waiting for this and never knew it xD

6:45 There are seven forms of lightsaber combat and most lightsaber users pick and train one of them. 10:00 The 'guard' on Kylo Ren's saber is constructed to get rid of excess energy. Ren uses an irregularly shaped crystal, which increases power and heat and decreases stability. 12:51 Following the same concept as Ren's lightsaber, there are training sabers with extremely regular crystals. If I remember correctly, they hurt as much as a hot stick. You are the first KZreadr I know who made a video about lightsabers and seems to actually have a clue about what he's talking about. Thanks :)

The drastic change in styles can easily have lore friendly explanation. With the OT, we're looking at the Jedi as a mythical culture that was lost to time, with only two Jedi left (that we knew about), Obi Wan and Yoda. These are the old war veterans who have gone into hiding and more or less given up on their physical combat training to pursue spiritual training in their old ages. When Obi Wan fought Vader, you have the 60 year old man who hasn't fought in years vs the 40 year old cyborg cripple in heavy armor. It's slow and steady with these guys. Luke comes onto the scene, he's young, athletic and full of energy, but has had little to no formal training. The majority of his skills are self taught, with only basic training that he got from Obi Wan and Yoda. So his fight with Vader the first time, he's the newb. Yes he's got the advantage of youth, but he has it's disadvantages as well, i.e, no skill or experience. Vader had both in spades, and proceeds to teach Luke the hard way the difference between them. Luke had to start from the ground up with basically no training at all, with only a basic understanding of swordplay, tenacity, and trial and error as his teachers. Jump back 30 years before the OT. The PT takes place in the golden ages of the Republic and the Jedi Order. For 1000 years, the Jedi haven't had to worry about their constant war with the Sith. Lightsaber to lightsaber combat was so rare, you would think it never happened at all. The Jedi are able to train and practice amongst each other in a safe and controlled environment, where experimentation of how a lightsaber can be used in different situations can be explored. Learning to fight with the lightsaber in a duel was regulated to only two of the seven lightsaber styles of the period, and they were considered more or less obsolete. The remaining combat styles either took advantage of the Jedi's superhuman strength, speed and agility to quickly disarm or dispatch groups of enemies who have little to no melee combat training; or to defend against blaster fire, which was the prefered method of combat for the majority of the galaxy. Proper sword technique in a duel takes a back seat to being able to attack from multiple different angles at the blink of an eye.

in star wars there are 7 variants of fighting styles. based on different stuff so nr 1 is Schii-choo, its the oldest style not used to much anymore (notable users are kit fisto) it isnt good for dueling its more like greatsword in the medieval period, good for fighting many opponents with big swings and powerfull strikes. variant 2 is: makashi, this one is based on dueling, it fills the gap that schii cho left, drawbacks are that it isnt that great at deflecting bolts from guns but it is super good at dueling, (notable user is count dooku) it lacks in momentum, and looks like a dance variant 3: variant three is the all defensive style soresu (notable user is obi wan kenobi) masters of soresu are described as an impenetrable brick wall focusing on small movements that are very efficient, obi wan could at one point deflect 20 strikes in a second when fighting grievious. it lacks in counter attacks and is often described as prolonging the innevitable. although people such as obi wan use it to great succes form 4 is ataru which focuses on acrobatics and it is based on high power attacks and a big offence, (notable users are anakin, yoda (i think)). form 5 has two variants and are called shien or djem so, it focuses on redirecting your opponents strike. the difference between djem so and shien is that djem so is for lightsaber combat and shien for blasters form 6 is niman and it is a balance of everything, it doesnt focus tohard on one factor but tries to deliver everything in one form. it does this, but its drawback is that it isnt specialised so it isnt particularly good in one are it does everything good but not at a master level. and form 7 is also divided into two being juyo and vapaad. being the most advanced and hardest form of them all. it is usually accosiated with the dark side as it ferocious and draws on hatred, users relied heavily on their emotions to a oint where they almost had to enjoy combat. the big difference between vapaad and juyo is that vapaad doesnt need hatred, it instead focuses on making your enemys hatred flow through you whilst not connecting with the user. the only known user who didnt fall to the dark side using vapaad was mace windu he mastered it and balanced between the light and dark whilst never falling to the dark

Actually Jedi use training sabers. As far as I could understand those are sort of laser batons they hurt but are nonlethal(most of the time)

@InSanic13

8 жыл бұрын

In training sabers, the magnetic field that contains the blade is extremely strong, which prevents the saber from causing more damage than minor burns or bruises.

@user-re9uv9qv6t

8 жыл бұрын

+InSanic I bow to your superior knowledge of Star Wars lore, good sir or madame, whoever you are)

@InSanic13

8 жыл бұрын

Асратян Юрий I'm just some guy who reads wookiepedia.

Someone explained the Jedi forms of combat far better than I could below but I want to add there were a lot of hand to hand martial arts that came from the different geographic locations. The Echanni, Night sisters, the Clone Army, those are just a few examples of different cultures that used different methods. The Jedi and Sith were pretty much superior because of their powers. The Lightsaber is a weapon of choice because of what they can do with it. They don't have range but they can close distances fast with force speed, deflect any incoming projectiles, jump incredibly far again to close distance and make obstacles not an issue. They used it in different ways depending on their individual talents, preferences, and situations. If you're attacked from all directions a force speed enhanced flurry might be exactly what you need to do. In that universe setting I mean. Luke learned only the basic one at least in Empire, and Vader was slowed due to his new body. Both are still considered to be among the best warriors in Star Wars lore so I don't think it mattered. Still waiting to see what Luke can do in the new canon but I think it's gonna be awesome. He was an absolute beast later int eh E.U. They did explain everything in a way that makes sense in the universe with the Jedi forms pretty well. I do agree though that I prefer the older movies lightsaber style to the newer one. Though I really do like both.

If I remember correctly, Bob Anderson addressed the Kenjutsu / Star Wars question in an issue of "Blackbelt magazine" (I think) some years ago. He said that, while he had very little experience with Japanese fencing, it's what felt right holding the prop in hand, and that he traded some notes with Yoshio Sugino (Worked with Kurosawa) in preparation for the film. But he described the fighting as a "hybrid". Also the quillons on Kylo Ren's saber aren't quillons at all, they're vents because his kyber crystal is damaged and can't be contained.

Also, as far as the weight problem (which I also talked about on Skall's video), is that they had to engineer the plasma to have shape and they had to engineer the field to encase it without falling out. If they can do that, they could essentially program it to have at least something that mimics weight and mass. That's why Ren's lightsaber handles like an actual longsword and in the original trilogy and The Force Awakens you can see them dealing with the weight of the sticks they used to film it.

When the video reel starts at the end, which videos is the one where he spars hand-to-hand with the man with the shaved head? I can't seem to find it :(

Once I read an Isaac Asimov book called "David Starr, Space Ranger" (1952) and there he explains a fictional weapon called the "force field knife" which is used in a very similar way to the light saber. The main difference is that the force field knife can extend its lenght.

I believe the way they described the changes in styles (in the lore) is that in the old films (new hope - return of the jedi) it was mostly old men, disabled and an untrained kid who learnt from two old guys (one who was on his death bed) so there was little to no flashy moves. while in the prequel trilogy it was largely young jedi who were fit and agile could jump about and do all the flashy stuff. then you have the new films where luke has developed the fighting style on his own with no other input, hence the more hema style fighting which he probably developed from his experience with vader and what he learnt teaching the next generation. there's also the fact that the original film was based on akira kurosawa's hidden fortress (a samurai film hence the eastern influences, while the whole jedi religion was actually based on taoism (the force was simply re named ki/chi which makes sense when you think of how obi wan described it and look at how taoism describes ki)

I love your content! :) A quick word about Kylo's lightsaber though. Those aren't quillons, they are exhaust ports. His lightsaber is based off of an older design and has a cracked sith crystal which makes it unstable, the crystal amplifies the power more than normal but doesn't focus it very well so to keep the thing from exploding he has two vents which form the "quillons" we see. As for the change in styles, while I'm not sure how much of this is still canon in the old lore there were seven forms. The form Darth Vader and Obi Wan were using was Soresu, or Form III, said to be very defensive, used to protect oneself from harm while waiting for an opening (it makes sense that Darth Vader would use this style after the loss of his limbs because he has a very vulnerable control panel on his chest). What we see in the prequels is mostly Ataru, or Form IV, an acrobatic style for use against single opponents and blaster fire. What Luke uses is Shii-Cho, or Form I, the most basic and balanced form that essentially consisted of a few movements and targets that could be easily rearranged in combat in a free-flowing and experimental way. This is probably the style Kylo Ren is using as well as we have not canonical mention of Luke discovering the old forms or evidence that he knew of them as of yet and Snoke does not seem to be the kind of being to fight with a lightsaber.

good info. one thing you need to know is that padawans use vibroblades to learn before they were able to build their own blade (It's a right of passage to find a crystal and build a saber)

If I remember correctly, the lightsabers do not cut things by direct contact with the plasma, but the temperature near the sword is very high, allowing it to basically melt everything, since plasma has a ridiculously high temperature, and hence not really "cutting", but more like melting.

@Metatron What microphone is that?

Where do you buy your swords ?

Hey metatron, big fan, was wondering if you could tell me the music you use as your intro? I'd appreciate it man! srsly plz.

About training: many lightsabers had a power regulation so you could adjust them to be actually safe. There were also special training lightsabers (probably with no cutting power at all).

Much of the reason for the changes in fighting style I think had to do the Film Tech of the late 1970's and maybe even Lucas's actual knowledge sword combat of any style. He also may have been limited on experts he could make contact with for consultation and basic lessons for the actors. I would also been very surprised to have seen the original Obi wan and Vader Actors doing all the jumping around we see in the prequels. His resources have grown in 30 years and so have our expectations so he had to make the Jedi light-saber duels more dynamic if we were to believe they were as powerful as depicted. The other thing that should be kept in mind is that we should not expect fighting styles of alien races to progress in exactly the same evolution as occurred on earth. True certain aspects will always occur due to the shape and size of the weapon, how they arrive at them will be different. The one thing I do wish they would improve on is how use of the force is actually integrated into their fighting styles. Yes, the force jumps seem to fit but some of the other force offence/defense appears to be an after thought.

jedi younglings used training sabers that were on such a low power setting you could grab the blade

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@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal!

Actually, the Padawan Learner starts his/her training (in the temple) with a pseudo-saber. They don't burn/cut straight through the way a battle-ready lightsaber might, but they do administer a slight "shock", so the Learner knows that they've been struck. But, by far, they're much safer to practice with.

Boy do I wish I could just sit down and have a conversation about Jedi and Sith with you and Skallagrim over a cup of tea.

Where can we get Metatron shirts?

I'm not sure if you have covered that before, but what is your opinion about rolling while in combat? It's something you see a lot in games(Dark Souls, Witcher etc.), I'm interested if it can be done and be practical...

At least in the old EU canon (before Disney decided to scrap it), there are actually different forms and styles of lightsaber fighting. I think it's also true in the new official canon, with Count Dooku being one of the few to use an older, fencing liky style over the more common ones that focus a lot on deflecting blasters and fighting people that don't have lightsabers or other weapons that could block them. While it's mostly due to the technical and budget limitations for the earlyer movies, it makes sense that the fights are a lot less acrobatic within the story too. Vader and Kenobi are a lot older than in Episode 3, and one has four artifical limbs and is on permanent life support. Both would probably try and fight as effective as they can and not waste energy by jumping around. Plus, a basically empty corridor on a space station doesn't offer a chance to get any form of high ground or otherwise advantageous position. Luke on the other hand is still very unexperienced at that point, so he'd also play it safer. Later on in the early EU, Luke actually switches to a form resembling Nitoryu with his usual lightsaber and a shorter one, namely for fighting an opponent that uses a power whip. One thing that is mentioned occasionally in the books (again, not confirmed yet for the new canon) is that lightsaber fighting, onan instinctive level, relies a lot on the force, not only for stuff like deflecting blasters (which would be similar to defending against arrows or even bullets with a sword, so impossible in the real world), but also as an additional means to sense the blade of the lightsaber and to counter the lack of weight of this part of the weapon. Lightsabers are mentioned to be incredibly hard to master for someone that can not use the force. Lastly, there are actually dedicated training lightsabers that have a very low power output and will only hurt and give you a sunburn instead of cutting off your arm (even through clothing, though I have no idea how this would work). Some lightsabers are mentioned to have a switch for changing between this mode and the proper fighting mode. That's probably even better than training with the handle only.

Another thing that might have influenced the change in sword styles is that Lucas himself said that the Jedi were more akin the the Shaolin monks rather than the Samurai (despite the fact that the first of the films made was a nod to Akira Kurisawa movies like Yojimbo), especially considering the parallels he made between the force and Chi and the way the Jedi used it.

Seeing as how you say you played Knights of the Old Republic, that series tells us that there are different classifications of Jedi. There were Jedi Knights, who were more focused and adept at lightsaber use. Then there were the Jedi Consular, who were prominent at force manipulation and wisdom. Lastly, there were the Jedi Sentinels who were focused on defending the other two from threats. The fact that Luke uses a blue lightsaber tells us that he was classified as a Knight. Consulars used green or Yoda, while Sentinels used yellow.

On the subject of Lightsaber training. Lightsabers have multiple levels of intensity you can lower to make them more safe to train with. That's how Younglings in Episode 2 were able to train with them and not lose a limb if they slip up. The most they'd get is a burn.

3:30 The choreograph and most of the Vader fighting in the originals was done by Bob Anderson (of course). He was a decorated sport fencer and choreographed most of the fight scenes worth a damn in English media for a long time. He and Lucas specifically based the fighting in the originals on Japanese swordsmanship.

If I remember, they've mentioned a few times that the lightsaber is extremely dangerous for anybody who hasn't trained in using it. Most likely because any contact with it cuts you and the nature of the blade means there is no resistance to stop the blade cutting. You reasoning on weight being the primary thing about why only a seasoned wielder could safely use this type of weapon makes the most sense, honestly.

While I think Kylo's saber was a European style to capitalize on trends, it was explained that he did the best he could with inferior materials, not so much an evolution of the weapon. The crystal he obtained was damaged and it needed venting to avoid failing altogether. Still, you have plenty of great info, so you definitely earned a like.

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The thing about the fighting styles is that no one that is not a jedi fights like that anymore and saber forms are controlled among the jedi and the Bane-ite sith. Their forms are separated among the 7 forms: Shii-Cho, the most "normal" of the forms having made with fencing with real swords in mind as the genesis of the saber began. Makashi is dooku's form and is supposed to be like European fencing created to answer Shii-Cho and focus on saber on saber combat with its focus being controlling the center guard and using evasion and redirection as a form of defense. Soresu was made from scratch to create a martial art focused on pure defense and control creating a form best for blaster fire and overall defense (blasters were the most common enemy of the jedi during this time) but was fixed to answer saber to saber by using one's defense for offence bide one's time and take advantage of any openings through skill or the enemy's own mistakes. Ataru is the answer to Soresu's overly defensive nature and is very wu-shu centering on ending the fight fast and hard (why its the most physically taxing). Djem-so/Shien was the second answer to Soresu's over reliance on defense but wile Ataru started from scratch, Djem-So/Shien built on Soresu's foundations by adding Makashi's fencing mentality to Soresu's defense. Shien was the blaster deflecting variant that instead of defending from blaster fire, it aimed to redirect the blasts bolts. Djem-So is the fencing variant that used Soresu's technique of defense and added Makashi's mentality of pressing the offensive immediately and or force your own openings. Niman is centered on being balanced in both offence and defense using techniques and mentalities of all other forms and is kind of the mixed martial arts of the saber forms. In the jedi way, your just aggressive enough, fast enough and defensive enough to get the job done. a jedi turned Sith called Exar-Kun took this mentality and application and amped all aspects creating a form that strived to be ambitiously aggressive and defensive like mixed martial arts with a murderous mentality. the last, Juyo/Vapaad is all about murderous aggression in expense of defense and uses the dark side of the force to fuel your attack. Vapaad takes that physical application and adds some semblance of self control wile using the force to draw one the sith's aggression and respond in kind which makes it lack luster against none dark siders. And about hurting yourself with the saber, a jedi is supposed to sense the blade to use it effectively and lore says none force users with out training do end up hurting or killing themselves if not used carefully. All this is from Lore so make of it what you think, would love to see your thoughts with the lore context.

Jedi combat has 7 forms of light saber combat you can search for Form I, Form II and so on... Some are based on rapid movements and acrobatics, others on dual wielding or staffs, other on strong and precise attacks etc..

Dear Sir would you please give your opinion on the 7 forms plus dual uses of the lightsaber please

Nice video! I would recommend the books: "The Jedi Path" and "Book Of Sith" by Daniel Wallace, they do answer some questions on that subject. Another thing is, we have to keep in mind, that in the old movies the jedi order was long gone and only Vader, Kenobi and Yoda had proper training. Therefore the fights of course are to be expected different and less flashy.

Lightsabers we’re pretty heavy with all the parts inside to make it work.

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@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

thanks!

A note about the change in style between the prequels and the original films, especially where it relates to figures found in both (Obiwan and Vader)... Yes, there is a style change (several comments have pointed out that the lore says there were many styles of saber fighting in the Jedi order) But it can be explained away in context of the setting. Obiwan is now quite old, and since he is not as powerful as Yoda, he just can't use the fast and flashy style he did in his youth. So he takes a slower, more stable and reliable style for those who's bodies are no longer able to do the jumps and acrobatics of the flashier Jedi fighting styles. Vader is not as old as Obiwan, but he is still in his late 40's at this point, and his body has taken a terrible beating, most of it being replaced with mechanical parts, especially the limbs. This machine body simply can't move with the speed and grace of his younger organic body (especially since he lost both his legs) so he in turn also adapts a more stable, less flashy style. Taking that into account, and the fact that both were trained in several styles during the height of the Jedi, they would have the knowledge and training to use the style most suited to their specific abilities at the time.

The edge of a lightsaber produces a strong oscillation effect. When two of them collide, the effect is amplified to the point where sliding becomes an impossibility.

how much did all that cost you with those swords and armor?

A few points: 1. Lightsabers clearly behave as if they do have substantial mass, especially in the Original Trilogy. Ex: when Vader tosses his saber at Luke it's evident from the spin that the center of mass is in the blade. 2. Jedi have precognitive abilities along with other supernatural attributes; this would probably dramatically increase the practicality of fancy combat moves. 3. Lucas originally rationalized the flashier Prequel combat by noting that these were the Jedi in their martial prime.

Star Wars Rebels has actualy shown a few interestign tidbits about lightsaber training. 1. Jedi lightsabers have a trainign setting. The "blades" will still clash as normal (at least with other sabers set to this mode) but on impact with the oponent they merely sting but dont cause any actual damage, kind of like shots from that trainign remote Luke pracitced with in A New Hope. 2. When wielding the saber the user actualy does feel some weight. This is explained by it requireing effort to redirect the energy flow. However, once the user becomes atuned to the weapon, and more psecificaly its crystal, then "it feels lighter". Though of course the specific lightsaber in this case was a very unique and ancient design (which notably doesnt have a trainign settign and the character trainign with it almost cut her hand off).

That reminds me of that other youtube-video where someone pointed out that a lasersword would make the bodies of your enemies boil instantly and explode in small parts. Quite a messy sight!

Also, there are 7 forms of lightsaber forms, Form I-VII with unique fighting styles. I suggest looking into “The Jedi Path”, goes into each style with diagrams and lore.

I wonder if George Lucas watched this. Sabers stick together because the beam is stabalized by a magnetic field. The fields are constantly changing, so the either stick or bounce, showing sparks, or plasma being ejected from the fields.

There are seven basic forms of lightsaber combat which practitioners usually mix or adjust to create their own styles. They are as follows: Form 1 Shii-Cho: The first form is a result of the nascent Jedi transition from metal blades to energy weapons. Beyond the most basic cuts and strike zones higher levels of mastery in the form see a focus on large, sweeping motions meant to cut down groups of foes as well as forcibly disarming them. It is in fact not really focused on lightsaber to lightsaber combat but masters have been known to throw themselves into incredibly aggressive offensives to overwhelm a foe. Form 2 Makashi: The first lightsaber style created with duels in mind. It is incredibly efficient with a focus on precision blade and footwork with an emphasis on parries, ripostes, one handed strikes, and even blade sliding (Yes, lightsaber blades actually can slide, Dooku did it once in a Clone Wars episode). It is very similar to European fencing and is designed for one on one fighting rather than groups and the style because of design lacks a lot of kinetic force preferring precise weapon deflection over brute strength. Form 3 Soresu: This form is adapted from a form originally meant to protect Jedi from multiple blaster wielding foes. It focuses on incredibly efficient defense at the expense of offensive viability. Classic Soresu is the proverbial rock withstanding the river blocking and pushing attacks away from the user. Beyond the lack of effective offensive moves classic Soresu is known to be very grounded with little mobility in order to present a hard, unyielding defense when needed. Form 4 Ataru: This acrobatic form was meant as an answer to Soresu's lack of offensive moves. It involves the Jedi taking advantage of their ability to amp their agility and maneuverability to create a style that involves fast, twisting moves often in the air to strike at opponents with quick, hard attacks directed more often than not at hard to defend locations i.e. the back of the head. It's also known to be favored by those who train heavily in unarmed combat using the momentum to increase the strength of their strikes. It is incredibly energy intensive though. Form 5 Djem So: Djem So is the lightsaber variant of Shien, a style focused on precise deflection of blaster bolts along specific vectors to maximize the offensive effect of such an action. The lightsaber variant follows the same principle of defend, then immediately counterattack. It is known for being a strength oriented style and many practitioners of the form use their strength to overwhelm the enemy. More moderate users will use it to simply shut down the enemy's offensive and force them into backing down via things such as disarming. Form 6 Niman: This is a jack of all trades style built around the idea of moderation. Niman has a little of everything but no real focus as far as blade work is concerned. The closest thing it has to a focus is in being able to chain Force use with one's lightsaber attacks making it a favorite of Jedi Consulars. Form 7 Juyo: Juyo is a heavily personalized and extremely aggressive form that focuses on overwhelming the opponent with a barrage of various attacks. Many classic Juyo practitioners favor speed over strength but their have also been many successful strength focused versions. Known for being a favored Sith style, Mace Windu was actually trying to create a more tightly controlled version before he was killed.

@Nist498

8 жыл бұрын

Now as far as favored forms go that has changed throughout Jedi history. In the KotOR era for instance there was a heavy emphasis on Shii-Cho, Soresu, Ataru, Djem So, and Juyo among the more lightsaber focused combatants due to dealing with large scale battles featuring large numbers of lightsaber wielding opponents. That situation encouraged styles which allow for Jedi to quickly dispatch a foe and move onto the next or when needed provide a strong defense against multiple opponents. The last days of the Old Republic saw Ataru and Niman as particularly favored styles though there were Jedi such as Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu who favored other forms. The Sith in general also didn't follow the usual model preferring Djem So and Juyo heavily compared to the others. This era was considered by many to be the height of Jedi swordsmanship with the likes of Count Dooku, Qui-Gon Jin, and Obi-Wan Kenobi creating personalized styles capable of moving away from the usual form focuses and being good at handling a variety of situations without falling into the jack of all trades, master of none problem that Niman often found itself dealing with. The Empire era mostly featured the likes of Darth Vader and his inquisitors. Many inquisitors favored a more balanced approach with their weapons and styles designed to handle a ragtag Jedi Order that was for the most part gutted and its adherents weakened due to years of exile or fleeing. While there were stand outs among the Inquisition such as Jerec and the head inquisitor most were of middling skill. Vader was a different matter entirely having created an incredibly sophisticated style that comprised aspects of all seven forms and was designed to have multiple approaches to practically any situation he might face. And as for Kylo Ren? Well he's more of an aggressive punk to be honest. The reason his lightsaber has those vents is because the crystal that powers it is cracked and the vents are needed to keep the weapon from exploding in his hand the moment he turns it on. We'll see how he and Rey develop over the new trilogy.

You really hit a lot of it dead on. When you talked about how they should have it in lore that there were different fighting styles developed in different places you weren't entirely off, they did incorporate some different cultural fighting styles, but for the most part there were 7 different Lightsaber forms developed offer time based off the needs of the era. Jedi and sith were able to choose which form they wanted based off their mentality, intent, species, etc. I would highly encourage watching the lightsaber form series by Jensaari1 (spelling slightly off

There was a legitimate reason for the cross-guard. I haven't watched the latest star wars, or read the books, but I've picked this much up. Kylo Ren botched the creation of his Red crystal, but rather than trying again, he he made his saber anyway, and did it in a fashion that stabilized the unstable crystal. The cross-guard is basically a relief valve, and the sword itself crackles instead of hums. This isn't an evolution in the Jedi repertoire, but a concession to the rule, and no one questions a Jedi's choice in saber design, not even other Jedi; it's personal, "your sword is your soul" to the nth degree. And then there's the meanings behind the different colors of saber. Speaking of Jedi choices. I recently discovered that ancient Jedi wore battle armor. Is this a direction you wish to get into?

@seanrea550

8 жыл бұрын

there is also a close combative use to the side blades, they too will act as a lightsaber blade. if you are in a bind, working the "guard" in close you can counter with the guard. also in rebels some ancient jedi did use some crossguard light sabers. i wont even start on how rediculus the inquisitors lightsabers are.

I think you should have mentioned one big difference between lightsabers and "normal" blades that is probably important for the question if a swordsman could use a lightsaber: A sword has its blade only on one or on two sides while the laser blade cuts in all directions. So the moment you touch your opponent he gets seriously injured regardless of any angle.

@TheEvilmooseofdoom

7 жыл бұрын

This is what I was wondering about. For the most part there is no way to armor against a LS and it cuts in all directions and it doesn't seem to require any real force to cut either. If I don't need force to cut why do I need big swings? I think true LS fighting would not look like any form of sword fighting as it exists or existed on Earth.

@wanjanechtangroeger

7 жыл бұрын

Well, a lightsaber does not cut through anything with ease. In Episode I we can see Qui Gon having some trouble with cutting through a heavily armoured door. but of course you are right - it cuts through limbs like a knife through butter :D But the question that is most important for the fighting style is if the light blade actually has some mass or not.

@Mighty-Man

6 жыл бұрын

Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger and almost regardless of the strength you put into the strike.

In the Starwars cannon there are between 9 to 12 styles when wielding the light sabre and there are a variety of light sabre types. There are sabres more built like rapiers but are capable of slashing and thrusting like all the other light sabers. There are also pole arms and whips that are like light sabres used by force users in the Star wars universe.

1. as far as IMDB to be believed, first films fight choreography was made by Robert Anderson. However prequel trilogy choreography was made by Nick Gillard. 2. the technical underlying of this fights is afaik this: - Darth Vader is half-machine and heavily restricted in movements by his suit, so his fight style is simple and heavily relies on strength; his force use abilities however did not suffered much; - Obi-Wan in New Hope is old man, so his fight style obviously cannot be founded on strength, so it's mostly evasions and feinting; - Luke Skywalker is undereducated fighter and force user(Obi-Wan obviously did not teach him anything in this regard, and Yoda is old and cannot teach him variety of Old Republic's jedi fighting styles), so obviously he has simple fight style too - he had no more than probably half a year to year for his study. 3. So in original trilogy we are beholding fights with very simple moves - which was the intentions, I believe. 4. Not so in Prequel trilogy - but just because this is Old Republic times and all fighters was throughly educated in lightsaber fight. Not that it helps them much against superior odds though.

I don't know if this is intentional, but it would appear as though your background music tends to cut out instantly at a slightly awkward time.

Now Mark Hamill said he studied Kendo for The Empire Strikes Back (there is a documentary about the special effects of TESB on KZread, or at least there was, with him hosting), so there was some Kendo there. The difference in the forms from the originals to the prequels could be (in the storyline, anyway) that Luke had not had much formal training in any of the seven combat forms, and we only saw Vader (Anakin) fighting without a suit in the prequels, so the suit would probably change his style to some degree. They had training lightsabers, but the Force helped with the fighting with only the weight of the handle.

I agree. it would have been far more interesting to have "Jedi" be an overall title for a following that shared the same core beliefs, but diversify them by region.

In current canon (SW: Rebels), there is a setting on lightsabers which allows for training without maiming yourself or your partner, so you could have Jedi training with blades from very early on. Plus, they still hurt, so the younglings will soon learn not to hit themselves. Also it is definite canon, and not just speculation, that the blade is almost weightless.

Not sure if you know, Metatron, as it wasn't in the video but the reason the original trilogy showcased Japanese swordsmanship is that Lucas copied Akira Kurosawa nearly shot for shot on most of those scenes. This is similar to how the spaceship dogfights were copies of World War 2 dogfight footage. Expanding on the video, I'd love to see a breakdown on what an effective style (made up by you, or otherwise) would be like for such a fantastical weapon.

The thing about star wars light saber combat styles is that they require the ability to use the force. One of the key factors is that it gives the user heightened reflexes and short term precognition. This would give the fighters a completely different dimension that only some swordsman were purported to have. You see it a lot in the manga "Lone Wolf and Cub". The basically have an additional sense that normal everyday folks do not. I love the creativity and the fencing in the early movies and also like the dynamic interpretation during the episodes 1-3. When taken at face value the are enjoyable. Lucas loved the Japanese movies and I believe that he took from The Seven Samurai and The Fortress in his story. I have enjoyed many and can see some of their influence. If you don't take it as a real life and literal presentation of swordsmanship. Lucas told one hell of a story.

In old canon, the reason Kylo's saber has the cross guard is a vent and was used in the pre old republic era.

There are actually lightsaber forms that were made and were used in canon books as well as the KOTOR II video game. I think this will give you a better idea of what the style of combat looked like. Theirs 7 forms. Form 1 - Shii-Cho (Multiple opponents), Form 2 - Makashi (Lightsaber opponents), Form 3 - Soresu (Blaster deflection), Form 4 - Ataru (Single opponents), Form 5 - Shien/Dejem So (Deflecting blaster fire back at opponents/Dejem So was the fighting variant of the form which used strong blocks with immediately counter attacks), Form 6 - Niman (Implementing lightsaber moves with force attacks also was a form developed for dual wielding and double-bladed lightsaber combat), Form 7 - Juyo (Fighting aggressively and unpredictable, preferably used against single opponents)

+Metatron Kylo Ren’s unusual lightsaber is of an ancient design, although the one he carries is recently constructed. The crossguard blades, or quillons, are raw power vented from the primary central blade. So basically they are meant to be exhaust ports ;)

plasma is a state of matter, it's not weightless. only photons are weightless, because the electromagnetic energy is all shifted toward speed and so it has zero mass. however such a blade would be far too hot and radioactive to use; plasma is the state of matter found inside stars, at temperatures and pressures so high that particles can't form bonds.

Ren's Saber guard does function a bit different from historical cross guards. See the Cho mai technique commonly used by the Jedi. It translates to "to cut off the weapon hand." It ends battles promptly by removing your opponents ability to wield their weapon, but while also sparing their life. I believe around 15-20 hands/arms were lost over the saga with this technique. This was the first thing I thought of that he could be defending against when I saw Kylo Ren's cross guard in The Force Awakens, because as you mentioned the "blades" of lightsabers don't slide when they make contact. That's just my opinion though. Keep up the good work, man.

Early Club! Nice soul patch!

I think the logic behind Ren's quillons is that it was necessary to vent heat because of a fractured crystal.

The explanation given in Star Wars cannon is that there were multiple schools of Jedi, and distinct fighting styles from across the galaxy. I think there were seven distinct styles ( plus an unarmed style ).

in the lore, the young jedi use training lightsabers which have a much stronger containment field and less energy that at most result in welts bruises and occasional minor burns. So they get to train with the same weight without killing or maiming themselves or others, but painfully teach them to not hit themselves or get hit. It is kind of an interesting conglomerate of the eastern japanese samurai with elements of the western knights. the Jedi order almost seems like one of the monastic orders like the templars or hospitallers, but mixed with eastern philosophies and martial styles.

In the book I, Jedi it features regional styles of jedi fighting styles and codes (though this was written before prequels and got retconned some) . Also it features one older style of lightsaber that can reconfigure the crystals within it and focus the blade to be longer and narrower, making it more like a greatsword style of blade.

There's many canon styles with specific names that preform differently against specific styles and weapons, different ones are studied in different places in the universe and different people study different ones, along with sith and jedi having some different styles for themselves.

The current theory in the creation of an actual Lightsaber would be magnetized plasma, so you're pretty much correct in the sense that you used it.

I think the difference between the lightsaber-fighting styles in movies I - III and IV - VI could be explained as this: large scale warfare had become rare, so Jedi fighting styles had become, for lack of better descriptors, ritualistic & flashy, used only rarely, against less able opponents, or in formal combat i.e. duels. Still effective, but unnecessarily flash. However, around the time of the Empire, knowledge and forms had been lost. A back-to-basics approach. Vader relied on strength and form due to his reduced agility, and Luke due to his late training and only able to do basic maneuvers due to Yoda's inability to move. Luke literally learned by being told what to do, and not being shown. Now the newer era has started. Ren is only half-trained by a Jedi who is himself only half-trained, then turns, loses technique in exchange for power, and is still not completely trained. He probably learned how to fight in what amounts to civil brawls and rapid assaults.

the problem with a plasma cross guard is with where they actually are emitted; that portion of the sword is right at the forte where where if the opposing combatants blade were to slide down upon would destroy said emitter and , most likely, the hand holding the weapon. this is why light sabers did not bother with hand protection; training to take solid parries rather than sloppy ones.