This one drug on a bit but the point was to highlight how slow the bonding system can be and why we should never hit a point where we feel discouraged from using our favorite units! What would you guys like to see them change about the bonding system? Are ok with the current rewards? Thanks for watching and bearing with me through this last week of tax season! If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like and subscribe for more daily content! 👍

@paulct91

Жыл бұрын

Bond CE - Upgrades every level of Bond beyond 10, rework the really bad CEs. Bond - Gains a stat bonus every level. Synergy bonus, boosting party stats (more servants of a high bond level) and gaining unremovable buffs during fights due to this. either counting servants only in combat party or all servants owned.

@Jasons_Argo

Жыл бұрын

Bond CE’s should have their own slot, so you can use them in conjunction with regular CE’s. This way they can keep their crappy stat value. Bond 10 servants give 10% bonus bond to all while in party and we can call it comradery. Bond 15 servants give 15% bonus comradery while in party, and bond 15 can unlock a 4th append. Mash always gives 20% bond bonus while in party. This way when bond farming you can reach over 100% bonus with servants, CE’s and Mash.

@LoneWolf20213

Жыл бұрын

@@paulct91 I have something like that, each max bonded servant get's a buff like a permamite Attack and Defense up of 10%-25% based on rarity the effects are permamite with no demerite so you can equip other CEs as the bond is just a permamite effect and each max bond servant increases the parties Bond gain by 10%, making the likes of Waver and Castoria as well as other supports perfect for farming bond

@praet0ria

Жыл бұрын

I like your guilt free solution to max bond, makes a lot of sense.

@darkdude1996ify

Жыл бұрын

Personally I don't really have many bond issues because I'm not that hardcore of a player, and I switch my teams around frequently depending on what I'm farming. Some servants will eventually hit bond 10, or even 15 eventually, without me particularly trying to increase their bond levels, while others I can struggle to even get bond 10. Imo the easiest way to solve the issue is to just uncap bond levels altogether, both in the sense that you need bond grails, as well as bond 15 being the max. Make the exp required for bond levels scale linearly up to an indefinite level, and turn bond grails into items that can permanently boost the bond points a servant gains. Oh, and add a 0 to both the HP and ATK stats on bond CEs. I'd argue for just turning it into a passive, but some people have weird emotional attachment to the CEs themselves, so just improve the CEs to the point they're at least worth using.

15:04 If I'm not mistaken, in Arcade Servants have a bonus voice line for when they hit Bond 10. They could probably easily import the voice files from Arcade to mobile as a start for many Servants (and honestly this is one of the things I hope we get with the Arcade collab event).

I'm feeling the bond thing in NA already with my bond 15 Nitocris. I used her so much that even if I got her idol costume and skill upgrade, I'll be hesitant on using her since she wouldn't get any BP. I need Nito Alter already lol.

@Schmaglow

Жыл бұрын

Ah a man of culture, I see. I'm currently working on taking my Spishtar to bond 15. After that, I won't have anything else that I can upgrade on her.....

@electromastermw9498

Жыл бұрын

@@Schmaglow did you upgrade her fully with paws ?

Need those R18+ scenes now tbh

@j_Snow

Жыл бұрын

Doujins becoming canon i see

@loverofjesusMKII

Жыл бұрын

Only if i can put servants with each other too. I will have my Illya x Shirou route.

@Kalaamari

Жыл бұрын

@@loverofjesusMKII you WHAT

@angelswarz8995

Жыл бұрын

​@@Kalaamari Did he stutter?

@Doktah_Zari

Жыл бұрын

Don't say that or the Herc fans will want it, and I have Hercules at near maxed bond. 😨

One potential idea to address the Bond Grail shortage could be to make it so rather than 1 Bond Grail per level, just use 1 Bond Grail on a Bond 10 Servant to unlock 11 ~ 15. That way even if there's only 3~5 Free Bond Grails in a year, that's still 3~5 Servants you can unlock Bond 15 for, as opposed to the current accessibility of "maybe 1." I would also even go so far as to suggest they move Bond Grails to the Mana Prism shop

@Zeon081

Жыл бұрын

or give bond grails like lores as a reward for CQ during events.

@bruhgherstein9829

Жыл бұрын

pogu

@eduardogheranandez

Жыл бұрын

Love your idea!

@haroldmosley1751

11 ай бұрын

I feel like it would be balanced if they gave a bond grail every 4 weeks in the log in bonuses.

15:00 that seems to be the perfect moment to buff the bond craft essences. They really need to buff most of them.

It would be cool if lasagna adds an additional skill for units that reach max bond or something like that.

Here's my idea about Bonding and Bond CE. 1. Once a servant hits Bond 10. Their Bond CE passive MUST be added to THAT SERVANT'S PASSIVE. 2. Reduce Bond Points needed for bond leveling, or increase bind point gain oer quest (or both). 3. Using 5 or less servants per quest will multiply Bond Points for every servant present. 4. R-18+ scene for Bond 10.....//runs 5. If a servant is bond 10 no limit break or bond 15. If the quest is complete the bond points that servant gets will be distributed to other servants in your party.

Another fix is to have the Bond increasing CE's to also give starting charge so it becomes a hell of a lot more versatile.

@christianjoyce3853

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking of this the other day and I thought of how convenient it would be if you could equip 2 CE's at the same time. The caveat being that atleast one of them must be a mana prism shop, Valentines, or Bond CE. There are already way to many mana prism shop CEs to equip at the same time and this makes it so that you don't need a very specific team comp in order to maximize your bond gains. 95% of all Bond CEs are just terrible for the servant and are borderline unusable, think Siegfried or Mordred. While the remaining 5% are perfect for that servant and their playstyle, think Heracles, Georgios or any staple support unit.

I wonder why they don't make it a permamite effect for the servant, it makes more sense if you can consider these max bonds unlocking something like Herc's Bond as a passive which would make him so much better in a lot of ways you think the idea Lasagna has is doing this

A few things to improve/fix it: -A starting charge + bond gain CE. Full attack, MLB +50 NP and +X Bond Points -A larger number of Servant Coins per bond level, or could tie it in with the bonuses from the class leveling system that they teased More voice lines -Bond levels connected to some kind of bonus or skill or np effect strengths -Some kind of canonical relationship upgrade that could be integrated into story/events

I want something on mobile that Arcade already has, even if it's not the best type of compensation: Bond 10 and Bond 15 lines for all Servants.

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

This feels like a no-brainer and 100% should be added in the future! But i also totally get how daunting that would be logistically with 200+ servants in the game already and more added every couple months

When i realized that the bond Mash would normally get was not being distributed I instantly lost most if not all desire to bring her to maps (Which sucks cause i like her alot) and even in those LB chapters, +20% to the other 4 units (since the support you are required to bring cannot get any) you are still losing 20% of one servant's worth of bond (+20% x 4 servants = +80% instead of +100%) I was honestly so confused as to why the bond gained would not just be wholly redistributed, or even if say you brought 1 Servant to a node why they did not gain bond equal to the bond the 5 servants you could have possibly brought would have gained (which makes way more sense since soloing a node would be much more difficult anyways) If they do make changes in this vein i would propose they change the bond gained from each map to be a big pool of bond points (based on the rates they have now) that are equally distributed among the servants you brought with any servants that are maxed out or unable to gain bond acting as if they were an empty slot as an example, the hardest exp card stage gives 715 bond, so multiply that by 5 gives a pool of 3575 bond points, you bring 2 Servants who are maxed on bond and 3 servants who are not maxed as well as the CEs to give you +40% bond gain the two maxed out servants and the support are not counted so the 3575 is divided by 3 to give each of those three Servants +1191 bond each then the +40% is applied to them as per usual for an additional +476 for a total of +1667 bond points for each of the 3 Servants; This honestly just makes the most sense to me, feels better for players, and allows people to bring whichever units (and however many units) they want without feeling they are missing out

I just got 200 day login reward. I got EMIYA the first day I started playing. Has never left my team. He is almost bond 9 Absolute madness. The point count is just too high.

@flashmozzg

Жыл бұрын

Strange. Just a tad over 250 days here and I have 3 servants at bond 10 (two happened naturally, and I've "brute-forced" Gerogious by taking him in every team where possible since around Karnamas, go him to 10 during tower event).

@user-ln2bl2pe4s

Жыл бұрын

@@flashmozzg jesus your grinding sessions must be insane

@flashmozzg

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ln2bl2pe4s I didn't really grind anything. Only really used apples during the Karnamas, everything else was 99% natural AP and I don't farm bond. Just use friend's Castoria with Teatime, when appropriate. Also, my tower event definitely helped with bond, although I got Kama to b10 way before that (and her I took to almost everything since she was one of my first SSRs).

Yeah, they need to make reaching bond 10 a bit easier for every charachter. I'd like to see a card change and/or spiriton dress and/or a sparkle when the charachter enters a battle, like a shiny does in pokemon. This game has a lot of challenges to solve..

@n4m31355h4dow

Жыл бұрын

I like what Marvel snap had done for that

@Zeon081

Жыл бұрын

holy shit, I just realized something. RAINBOW CARD. U-Olga was a hint!

I'd like to see stats added for silver or lower rarity, like an extra 1000 atk/hp for hitting bond 10 (maybe an additional 500/1000 for hitting 15). Gold servants giving more coins at every level. A free bond grail at bond 10 for all servants. Bond 11-15 giving like 5 beast paws or rare prisms or something would be a decent motivator as well.

Honestly it kinda feels like they shot themselves in the foot just with the point of bond from the start. Now they are stuck with temporary fixes to the issue.

I was thinking about this recently and the bond system is also ruining CEs aswell... Right now the amount of bond you need to get to 10 is so damn high you feel obligated to run as many bond up CEs as possible. Sadly this means you usually run do nothing bond CEs almost all the time making the hundreds of different gameplay CEs go unused. Unless they're willing to make these bond up CEs obsolete (via system change or lower reqs) I will forever feel compelled to used them...

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

I have not used a regular CE outside a difficult boss fight at the end of an event, CQ, or end of a LB since i got my hands on the bond up CEs; There is just no reason to ever not be using them which sucks because i need to blow the dust that has accumulated off the few level 100 CEs i've farmed out when i go to use them

Just imagine we get extra spicy scene and new interaction line specifically to us master when we max bond our favourite servant that would be the best update

Good video! I don't have much hope on Lasengle fixing bond anytime soon but who knows. They really should do something though. I'm hoping to get my Ushiwakamaru and Tamamo to their next bond levels before Koyanskaya comes out so I have 60 more quartz but man is it a drag. The recent tower event helped a lot in that regard thankfully because of the CE. Still the amount of points it takes is insane.

For my experience, it will take me 3-4 months just to level 1 further than Bond 10. This must be active everyday, using natural AP, casual usage and use as many Bond CE as possible.

@jamaalbarnett9186

Жыл бұрын

If I recall right the highest bond point farm we can get on NA is 1,100K-ish points from Camelot castle when using Chaldea lunchtime, tea time, detective fou, and friend support tea time. I'm not sure how high we can get with LB7 on jp

@belleboni2016

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaalbarnett9186 you can also add Heroic Spirit Portrait. There are many free quests you can actually bond farm, as long as they have 815 bond points at base (and Great Temple 22AP 855 bond points). That's why you can bond farm and mat farm at the same time.

@jamaalbarnett9186

Жыл бұрын

@@belleboni2016 I know there's other farming options I was just saying that's the highest estimate amount of bond points you can get. I don't really use heroic portraits cause they only give a flat 10 bond point

@belleboni2016

Жыл бұрын

@@jamaalbarnett9186 Heroic Spirit Portrait gives 50 bond point flat, not 10... which is better than any 5% Bond CE as long as the bond reward is below 1000 point base.

I'd like an additional costume at bond 15. No costume token, no mats needed to activate it. Once you get to 15 it's fully unlocked

We really need a method to get rare prism that isn't burning servants

listen my castoria is already bond 14 please increase max bond to 20 i do not care if it takes 2 bond grails each

i've also hit bond 15 with my Douman last year November, and the thing is. i take him EVERYWHERE. regardless of class advantage or boss gimmicks or anything. he's always my go-to unit. Ever since i got to bond 15 with him, my motivation to do stuff on JP side has considerably decreased. I do have other favourite servants that I can use for almost every scenario, that's not really the main issue - but i WANT to keep taking Douman along. he's fun to put into teams alongside other fav servants and do crit shenanigans. Really TRULY hoping that Lasengle will address this sooner than later. I've been hoping for bond 15+ since last year anniv because i knew this was gonna be something I'll be struggling with...

For me, I only want bond level cap to be 99, I will always use muramasa until the end of service.

Great idea and easily implemented. Love it and can finally feel fine using Castoria again when Para, Asclep and Xu fu arent at 10 (Mostly using them for party cost but besides the point)

I have said this in other of your videos, I think... and I am pretty sure I said it on r/grandorder. 1 - Make the bond CEs passive / append skills. Let the player activate or deactivate them if they want. You can even let the player lvl them up to compensate if they had shitty effects. People always point out cases like Herc, where the effects of the Bond CE are way too OP make them a passive skill, but they could make the cost of unit go up as if they already had the bond CE equipped or negate the use of a CE when you toggle the skill on... but tbh, I don't think is that big of a deal given how broken some of the new servants / how difficult some nodes are nowadays. 2 - Solve the Visionary Flame Issue They can make it so it only requires 1 to be able to unlock the 10+ Bonding, making the player only pay QP for each unlocked lvl, and give back all the ones already used by the players. Or they can start to put them on Event Shops / as Event Rewards. 3- Make Bonding easier and faster. Like you said, any servant in a "Max Bond" state should give bonus EXP equivalent to the EXP they would have gotten to all other servants in the party, and let it stack in case there are more than 1 in the party. 4 - In case they have no plans of making any significant unlocks after Bond 10/15 Outright "eliminate bond lvls". Put an infinity symbol on it instead of a number and count down from 1M points until the next reward (30SQ + Coins) ad nauseam.

I recently noticed there's some blank space next to the append skill list, maybe unlock another append skill? Or they could upgrade the bond essence. Maybe both.

I feel like bond should give a small stat bonus. It'd give a reason to use a servant even when their bond is maxxed out and is a suitable reward for going super far for a specific servant. It would also give a bit more stats for favorite low stars who'd need them. And using bond type mechanics to increase stats isn't a crazy idea for gacha games in general.

What if (some of) the bond levels beyond 10 reduced cost? A mix of that and increasingly efficient party-bond-bonus like Mashu would be great.

Great video, you're right I do feel "guilty" about using a maxed bonded unit. I also have thought that the bond CE should automatically apply w/o equipping them, they are mainly only usable on supports due to the low stats.

I had my summer musashi at 15 last February but I still use her cuz she120 and my best farmer. I really hope to see them rewarding the servant for hitting higher bond levels.

Mash also gives a party-wide Bond bonus in events, although not as much as she does in Lostbelt story quests.

Bind 10 CE gets better stats. Bond 15 the CE becomes a passive. Possibility to reset with the 2nd bond 10 giving new FA art and skin?

They can keep bond grails and teapots at their current rate if they boosted the value. Like, a single bond grail unlocks the Servant's current bond cap to it's potential max (11-15 right now, but 16-20 later if they wish), and then a teapot gives a +50% boost for the whole day. Certain lucrative bond nodes like Interludes and story missions would make using the teapots at the right time very rewarding in that regard. As for the current cap gives extra Bond for other units idea; I think I'd make it so each level above 10 gives other members of the party a +1% rather than like how Mash does it where she's a flat bonus. Mash makes sense because she can't get Bond beyond 5, and it would be story locked anyways. But if they do raise the Bond cap further in the future, no longer getting the Bond for that unit cause they're not maxed out anymore would be lame. Better to turn it into a +5% at 15, so we can get a potential +10% later with a Bond increase QoL update should it happen. I don't think that Bond CEs need much change to make them more valuable, because some of them simply don't work for intent, while others do. Bond CEs got better as the game got more concrete about its direction, so I wouldn't mind if they rework certain Bond CEs to be better (Arash comes to mind). But it's not going to be a loss if they don't. Would be nice if Bond CEs didn't take up space in our inventory and storage though. The idea of using Coins for Bond is abhorrent to me. The coin system requires too many rolls for it to be of value to some of the more used Servants in many players pools. Only the whales would see use in that change. I've other ideas on Coins... But this ain't the comment for that :P

Give everyone the bond buff passive? Yes please! Amazing idea!! Maybe it becomes +20% at bond 10 and then it gets stronger with each extra bond until 15 (maybe 25% not to be too greedy. It’s still something) Maybe they can "limit" it by forcing you to first use a bond grail to activate it: might as well keep bonding with that Servant if possible right?

I think a cool idea could be change it so 1 Bond Grail could unlock 11-15 (could refund existing usage). Another idea is something like a paragon system where instead of going to bond 16 it stays at 15 but after x points you get their coins. I do like the spread idea too though.

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhh I like this idea too, an infinite source of coins is a cool idea! I do get the feeling they would need to make the amount of coins you get and the amount of bond it takes to get them balanced so you are not getting only 20 coins every million+ bond though

@billdecou242

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjablade2 My idea was more static. Like every 500k-1m could be 5 coins. Still take a long time but better than the 14-15 bond rate and no sq.

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

@@billdecou242 At that point though it still feels bad to bring that servant, since you only are getting 5 coins at a time, even on your low side of 500k, you'd need to get 12 million bond to get the 120 coins to append a single skill or, in the case the appends are done, you are then getting 1 coin per 100k bond gained, which can then only go towards grail casting, of which 1 coin is 0.05% of one grail, or in other words you would need 200,000,000 bond points to get one grail... the scaling i think should be a lottt more generous than what you've got as the only thing coins are going to be going to for most bond 15 servants are going to be the 2nd or 3rd append they haven't already got, orrrr to grail casting and in each of those cases i think that scaling does not come close to meeting the player's needs or wants even 20 coins and say 10 SQ per million bond gained feels like it's still not really worth it vs just grailling a different servant up to 15 and getting the better rewards from that

@billdecou242

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjablade2 Yea just spit balling numbers. But for a servant that is story locked or rarely on rate up it could be something. Overall I think an increase to overall coins gained per bond level would be better. You get 80 from 1-10 then 20 each from bond 11-15. If it was something like 120 for 1-10 (total) and 25-30 each for 11-15 (so 125-150 instead of 100) it would go much further. For every unit.

I've been playing on NA for nearly 3 years and JP for about a year, and I can count on one hand per server the amount of servants I've managed to get to bond 10, and I still have yet to get a servant to bond 11 (the closest I've got is my Castoria on JP, who I got on day 1 and have brought to pretty much every story fight and use for the majority of my farming teams - she's about 2/3 of the way to bond 11). I pulled Heracles 9 months ago on NA and have been bringing him to pretty much everything, including spending all of my dead weeks just using my nat AP to farm the most bond efficient free quests with a party full of bond point up CEs, and at current rate I should have him at bond 10 in another week or so. It genuinely surprises me that people are worried about running out of bond grails when it's taking me months or years to get even my favourite servants to 10, let alone 11.

I've felt for awhile this is something Lasengle needs to address. I have Castoria and summer Kiara at bond 15 in JP and Skadi at bond 15 in NA. I'd really like to be able to use them again without wasting thousands of potential bond exp. JP is overdue for a bond cap increase but in addition to that I really like the idea of redistributing bond points to the rest of the party from servants at max bond. Making bond ce effects permanent passives would also be cool but would be busted on servants such as Herc and summer Kiara. Everyone already knows Herc's permanent triple guts bond ce that stacks with other guts, but I also want to mention summer Kiara's bond ce gives her a permanent full revive guts that stacks with other guts. That's nearly 22K HP at level 120 like mine is.

I know alot of people joke about making bond CEs passive but what if they only became a passive for bond 15 units? It would make supports kind of nutty but could be a fun way to buff players favourite servents

I think the most given thing is improving the rewards. The Bond CEs need fixing. Don't necessarily need to overhaul their abilities (although that wouldn't hurt). But giving them good stats is a must. Even if it's just about having to level them to get those stats that's better than CEs with bad stats that aren't useful most of the time. Biggest thing though is take a lesson from Arcade. Bond 10 scenes. That should be so obvious. They managed to bring in people to voice all those Valentine scenes the one year for catching up. So it's not like this isn't practical. Give people more reasons to level their characters. Give them good scenes that make it worthwhile.

@DevoteeofMamaRaikou

Жыл бұрын

I'd say even a fixed 1000+ ATK and HP would be better at the very least, but an overhaul in some Bond CE's effects would be nice. Not all, but certainly with a couple of them would help.

@GS_CCC

Жыл бұрын

They could add 5k/5k stats to bond CEs and they would still be unused, they shoud give a flat 5% bond effect so you can replace a bond bonus CE and still be 6-sloting but now with a cool effect till bond 15.

Just have a second CE slot for bond CEs only... or have them be active constantly somehow.

I don't have a max bond character yet because I haven't played that long, but they could maybe use some sort of apple system for overflow bond to let you freely redistribute excess bond

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

While in principle i do like this idea, i think the idea of storing up bond might cheapen the meaning behind the spirit of the bond system which is using and growing closer to your servants through tough battles~ totally in support of the redistribution of bond, i just think it should be directly to the servants in the party that finished the node~

If they wanted this system, but a little weaker, they could make the bond point share a part of all bond CEs, very small upside of being able to turn it on and off

Phew, how to people managed to max bond characters so quickly. My favourite is Mandricardo and I’m only halfway though bond 12.

I want a few things: 1) Unique Max Bond Ascensions and Costumes 2) Unique Servant passives just like how Castoria unlocks a new passive skill after a certain incoming Lostbelt completion 3) Unique NP and spite animations for Max Bond 4) Unique Bolder around Max Bond units' Card Arts, and Ascension Arts so that if, for example you are using double Castoria, and all cards on the first turn are Castoria, you can easily tell visually that one of them is Max Bond just like how Servant Card CCs give the Cards a unique look compared to standard ones. Or how, for Ascension Art Bolders it can be like when you complete certain parts in Part 1 main story and reach certain levels where your Master Profile portrait gets a Gold Bolder to signify to other players that you have reached a certain milestone.

I'd like for there to be voice lines and scenes for getting to such high bond levels. Maybe offer some quest or something to further boost a skill or something.

Each bond level exceeding bond 10 would also increase overall stats and effect of the bond ce, the only reason why most bond ce are not in use is due to its lackluster stat of 100 atk and hp. Kinda similar to the module upgrades in arknights.

The solution was in Mashu's mashus all along....

This game still have many potential in all directions, they need to get more people and work on it if they want to stay strong for the next years.

I feel this so hard especially with supports like waver and skadi

For me i would like of the Bond system would give more quartz, that by maximg the Bond You get a extra 2000 points in atk and hp, that at bond 10 it would unlock a extra ce slot for that servant but only to equip the Bond ce. Maybe even a special frase only for bond 10, but yeah overall more rewards not necesarily on quartz but at least something that makes it worth the effort.

My Fergus is level 14. They need to maybe reduce levels to 1 mil. Over 10. It just seems dumb but will prob. Have level 15 by end of year.

Having everyone have the Mash Party Bond passive has long term issues. Eventually all your Servants would reach bond cap sooner the more Bond CEs a player owns. This means you'll eventually have no use for those CEs

I should give the max bond servant the effect of their CE without using it or extra atk/hp.

Lizard Brain: No number going up, no use.

How about after getting a servant to Bond 5, you gain X coins of said servant based on current bond lvl. EX. Bond lvl.7 Shuten (Assassian) and Bond lvl.11 Kagetora, each gain x7 Shuten coins and x11 Kagetora coins respectively after each battle, that way we can have enough coins for our servant to unlock all their append skill and have some left over.

My summer musashi is bond 14 going on 15 and I'm already starting to use her less because I want to preserve her so that I'm not wasting bond experience by using a bond 15 servant. It would be great if they just massively raised the bond cap, like bond 30 or something. That way you could keep increasing a servant's bond near-indefinitely, it would also have the side effect of alleviating the servant coin issue.

I honestly don't think I will ever hit bond 15 Bond 10 already took so long, my waver is the highest one at almost bond 12 but I don't use him as much since Castoria...

In the process of bonding my NP2 Kama to Level 11 (for complete her levelling to 110). And has been painstakingly slow, despite just having 370,000 BP left.

I do think they should decrease the amount of time it takes to get to bond 15 and since decreasing the amount of bond points required is out the window, then they should either buff teapots and make them permanent until use or make a different item that allows the speeding up of the process, like a buffed teapot giving either +200-500% bond or a stat +1000 bond since it'll still require you 1000 or so quests just to get from 10 to 11/12. The items need to be given more frequently though like maybe twice or thrice a week. You did enlighten me on the prospect of turning a max bond servant into lostbelt Mash and I think that's the best way to handle a bond dump instead of making bond 20 that'll require 10M bond points per level. As for incentive for if a bond 20 comes? I'd say, for me personally I'd want a Valentine style scene or a bond 5 style scene, doesn't need to be voiced or romantic, just like a follow up to the relationship between Master and Servant. The Servants that displayed romantic interest in either bond5 dialogue, bond 10 CE, Valentine scene or 4th ascension dialogue could be going on a date while the more platonic and friendship focused ones could be chilling/doing some fun activities together. I really like FGO for it's characters, character interactions with the player and the story and that would be enough incentive for me to push through but maybe an extra look on the card or a special passive skill could work too, like with how lv120 is basically for your favorite and it gives them a quite substantial increase in stats, bond 20 could also be giving you a quite substantial boost in your performance. Maybe by having as a passive : all of the servant's skill cool down reduced by 1, or increase their card performance by 10% or whatever % seems good enough without being too broken, or increase np DMG for offensive nps while increasing overcharge for supporting np. Sorry for the rambling and thanks for reading till the end, have a nice day.

imagine hiting bond 15, and the border of the character changes you can show off it into the friend list? poggers it could be cool, like a colorfull border or something

@ninjablade2

Жыл бұрын

I would 100% be cool with this alone honestly, if they don't want to give out stats/boosts/etc at least give us some flex/status~!

I think they should remove bond craft essences from the game and instead take the effect and make them a servant passive. This way, a unit could still run any ce you would normally, but would get a little extra party-wide bonus as a reward for maxing them. They could still keep the restriction "this effect is only active while the servant is present on the field" so order change would still have the intended impact, as pulling them back would remove that small 10-15% buff from the party. An example would be Skadi giving the 10% extra quick effectiveness and 15% crit damage to the party while she is on the board in addition too her skills. Meanwhile, a team with double Castoria with bond 10 would give 20% attack and np gain just for being active while running a possible overcharge or starting np ce. Everyone has been pointing out how the append skill screen has a bunch of room on the right, they could easily slot in a "bond 10 passive" right there.

At bond 15 your Bond CE should increase its stats to +1000 in both HP and Attack. At bond 20 it should be +2000. After all, the terrible stats are a big part of why they suck, right? For Bond Grails, you should only need 1 of them to break the bond cap at 10, but not require them to get to bond 12, 13, 14, and 15. They should just completely uncap the bond system. Just make each bond level take something like 100k more than the previous one. If it took you 1 million to get to Bond 11, it should take 1.1 million to get to Bond 12. Just let us keep bonding up forever so we can get to bond level 42069 or something. Make the Teapots work for a certain number of hours instead of only one fight. I'd save mine up for Lottos.

At this point i cant understand what they havent add bond event in my room and bond gifts to speed up the Bond process, or just make it that utilty ces like bond, qp, etc would have there own ce slot si that way we can take Bond ces without having yo worry about equiping them to servants.

Give more lanterns or unlock 5 lvl per lantern. better ce's like on herc or van gogh, costumes, double all base bond points of the game, add more levels but maintaining 1.6m bp each.

I wanna see the bond ce becoming a passive and I'd wanna see bond 15 reduce servant cost to 0 on top of units that are at max redistributing the exp that they'd have gained to other units (which means hypothetically if you had 4 maxed units and 1 non-maxed one that 1 would gain 5x times the bond points

@ninjablade2

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Ooooo, now that's a cool idea i hadn't thought of, a cost reduction on them would be really cool, even if it wasn't as drastic as reducing it to 0

@SaulPrez

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I think a 1 point reduction each 5 bond levels would be fine

@ninjablade2

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@@SaulPrez That sounds super reasonable, not game breaking, and i feel like it makes the most sense since that would reduce your 1 star bronze servants to 0 cost~! It's a subtle change that would be more impactful than it first appears! Love it

@Drakno2

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@@SaulPrez you underestimate both what a pain in the ass it is to get to bond 15 and the investment it requires in terms of lanterns, yes I realize the fact your entire party would get at least -1 this way which is a huge increase in overall cost capacity but I don't want it to be a blanket buff to all players that is always active, I want it to only be for players who bothered to bond 15 one of their faves and only while you're using that fave.

@SaulPrez

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Yeah they should either make the lantern easier to obtain or make it so you just need one to unlock the five extra levels

Exp share would indeed be a great solution 👍🏻

Honestly I don't mind Bond taking forever, it's supposed to be something that takes a long time to symbolize you actually building a relationship with your Servant, and most CEs not being all that great means you're not missing anything by not having them (I only just realized people use George's for soloing so I'm having to work on that now) Lanterns could definitely be more plentiful and I hate that until NA gets the Evocation that it's the only way to get coins for Welfares and I wouldn't say no to a Bond 15 voice line but other than that I don't mind it, it's nice to have something that's a symbol of how much you actually use a Servant and not something that can just be min-max obliterated.

I'd like to see some kind of upgrade to the bond CE at 15. It's no secret most of them are useless as is, and I think having a bond-linked reward get stronger alongside the bond level makes a decent bit of sense. If they take it to 20 they could just keep upgrading the CEs too, and it's not like it'd be some massive exploit since getting a servant to 15, let alone 20, takes forever.

Bond CEs should deffinitively be more unique. Just having the CEs be a cool new change like what if a CE could turn the servants np from aoe to single or the oppositie like jalter going from single np to something like her old ruler form in orleans where its aoe, or saber from aoe to a single one like what she used to tap heracles in the anime.

Agreed, bond CE should definitely be a skill instead of taking up a CE slot. Also agreed, bonded units should also boost party members bond

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They should amp up the bond plus CE give (+1%,+10%,+15% is way too little compared to how much you need) and add them something so they can give other benefits (damage plus, starting gauge, sure hit, etc) and maybe make it so each time you limit break a CE it gains an effect that gives more bond points depending on the rarity( a MLB 3star has a 12% a 4star 16%) and for gods sake redo the bond CE ninety percent of them suck add things that the servants could use or parts from their legends that could not be included in the noble phantasm or the skills

If we get a a cool costume or a live 2d at higher bond, then the farming is worth it

The real solution is that you should not care about the bond level of your servants, just play whit who ever you wants and that's it

Just bond 15 your favorite servant, your waifu, your mommy and whatever you like

Slow process for us mortals to achieve. Airmong-god bonding new units to lvl10 in like two days or so LMAO Currently bonding 4 servants to lvl15, not only because i love them and I'm always using them, but also for those juicy quartz😈 Still, i lack on bond grails, so some other units gonna be lvl10 by the moment😓

Give bond CE better stats and we are talking! Then l would also like extra dialogue or even costumes for bond 10.

There are numerous fixes they can implement that also favor other systems (aka the Servant Coins system) through the Bonding system in the long term. Two unique rewards I agree should be given when hitting Bond 10 and Bond 15 minimum. Yes we have the Bond CE in Bond 10 but they feel....like shit to say the least. Only a handful of the Bond CEs are good/usable even without the stats overshadowing them. 30 SQ every bond level after Bond 10 till 15 and 90 servant coins is not exactly a good reward given than you can get 1 level at minimum of 4-5 months as a casual player and if using your favorite unit ALL THE TIME with max bond given CEs to boost it. If Bond should cap at 15, hell make it to 20, the rewards should be increased by a hundredfold and be visible to other players in your friend list. As you mentioned they can give the Servant a passive and make them a pseudo Mash for providing Bond to the rest of the servants on the Party. But I do not think they will do that because that's what makes Mash unique so far as a servant and maybe story reasons? First step would be to fix the Bond CEs, either make them passive or by giving the servant a secondary CE Slot exclusively for their Bond CE as a reward for reaching Bond10. Or flat out take the lazy step and just give all Bond CEs 1000 atk and 1000 def and call it a day........please don't XD... Secondly add more rewards to bonds beyond Bond10 up to 15, with Bond 15 giving a special reward. A free Append Skill unlock? A special Voice Lines in My room? More Lore about the Servant? A new look/outfit (yeah sure.....)? A room background that is to the Servant's liking or style? Imagine going to your room and it has a medieval castle theme during the day or night (for OG Saber for example) or a Western Saloon cowboy style (Billy the kid for example) etc... The Servant's theme song for free? Customizable Ascensions for battle and NP. Having for example Ascension 1 of a Servant shown in the battle but having their 3rd ascension during an NP etc.... Special Valentine's and or Birthday's gift? Get the April's Fool chibi servants form in our room permanent XD? Provide buffs (special one or not) to the frontline of your party when entering a battle for X turns etc... as long as they are in the party (front or back) like in some events? Unlock a Servant's second NP??? Most Servants if not all have multiple NPs (for example Jeanne D'Arc). Though this would require a lot of work and a totally new system XD.... Reduced Append Skill cost the more bond you have? Second CE Slot (no Bond CE)? Yeah that would break many things XD...... Reduced Servant Unit Cost for the party? Imagine Taira having her cost reduce from 16 to 12 or 8........ Special Command Spell for that Servant? Third, if you want the system to be used forever by players you can have the Servant get free bond after Bond15 without needing Flames to increase it but make the progression linear. You can have each bond level after 15 requiring 400.000 bond point and give you SQ, Coins, Pure Prisms etc.... This is lazy and easy but at least you can keep using your favorite servant until you are really really bored or need a change of pace XD.... Fourth, you could make a Servant Affection System that provides new power ups or lets you customize your skills by adding to them extra effects that you unlock with more bonding. For example I can attach to Saber's First Skill a Guts etc... (Servant Core System XD ?) I believe that whatever the case either it needs a total revamp of how the System works or just give more resources to compensate. I wouldn't for example say no to 120 SQ per bond level given the time you need to get one past bond 10 :P.........but alas XD... Not the most in depth ideas but that's my take on it in a flash XD....

when i watch the first half of video i just hear some annoying complains, but when it reach the solution....damn why the development team never thought of doing this, i like the solution you propose. 👍 Just discover this channel few days ago, the contents is good, one of the few channel that will have a deep discussion and explanation about a specific topic. 👍👍👍

みんな凄い、絆15ってそう簡単に行くものじゃないと考えてたんだけど自分が初心者すぎるだけか... 絆礼装はヨシキ(プロデューサー)が後々必要になるって言ってたから、なにかしらのテコ入れはあるかも。

I have been none-stop bond farming for Lb6 and I've been doing for months. Its the only way to get SQ for F2P, after all.

Watch em make bond 100 reward be that u marry ur servant

I wonder if they've slowly started on a planning level or just small discussion on fgo 2

15:00 not a bad idea...

Bond 15 mana transfer scenes.

Each bond above bond 10 should bonus bond to the entire party by 1%. There. I fixed it. (Until you run out of servants.)

@Zeon081

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lol, those 20 extra bond per 40ap used will do wonders

@rando6836

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@@Zeon081 15% of 700 is 105. If you have bond CEs, it adds more. Plus other bonuses.

bond exp share lmao

Fix these damn Mystic Code bonds.

@Zeon081

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MCs are fine. I maxed out all the ones that matter. even winter one. and I was not even using MC exp CEs. and most lotos I used plugsuit, so it's not like I had "optimal" farming.

They don't need to add more of a reward for bonding servants (aside from improving Bond CEs). Bond is just a reflection of how much you like / use a servant. I do agree however that when a servant hits Bond 15, they should provide some other bonus to your party so that you eliminate the "feels bad" thing where you are "wasting" a slot on a max bonded servant. More bond grails would be good as well, or at least more free rare prisms so you can buy what they put in the RP shop.

Just make bond CEs servant passive. Problem solved.

one way to help out for buying bond grail would be to make castoria lily actually give one rare prism when burned rather then just mana prism... another thing they could do is limit breaking exp card to upgrade them to the next lvl of card to help ppl save space in their servant inventory or just stack them seriously would that be so hard to do...

Imagine heracles bond ce mlb + scaling stats Heracles EX++++++ tier servant

One way to make the bond system better is by giving the servants you reach bond 6-9 a 5-10% attack and defense boost. 11-15 give them a 1-5% NP damage boost. Make the bond farming CEs better. Increase the bond payout on LB and Daily Farming nodes. Let us buy teapots. Bond, which may seem the least significant part of the game, should be the most significant. Especially cause in FSN and Extra, bonding between master and servant is important to the story. In FGO, with the exception of Mash (whose bond was limited to story till pre-Tunguska), what servants are our ride-or-die servants? Who are our Knight class servants? Who are our Calvary class servants? Who are our extra class servants? How does the gameplay reflect that? I like your idea of doing what Mash does in story, but I'd rather something like I suggested and maybe a new portrait as well.

OwO i like your voice

To be honest, I'd thought maxing my bonding with my favorite servant is liked Archivement