To be fair, Ultramarines used to have a monopoly on the Roman/Grecian aesthetic for a long time. They just don’t ham it up as much as the Iron Snakes do. I think a lot of people just assume that that’s the “space marine aesthetic” though since Ultranarines dominate promotional art and things like that.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Totally true, my biggest gripe with GW, is that where is the Roman, in my Space Romans! Come on GW... That's something that 30k does well, each Legion is its own unique thing.

@myfaceismyshield5963

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA all legions have the Roman aesthetic, but a couple legions mix that with more Greco-Roman stuff...

@vermin9190

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VAexactly. That’s what bugs me with GW. Also what they did to my space Vikings

@elric7415

Жыл бұрын

that was untill the minotaurs chapter came around now i see the ultramarines as more roman

@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA they have a rogue sector of space with a rome motif but that’s likely never getting used again in 190 years or so am since it took 355 years to get space dwarfs back

Scipio: remember, no Carthage

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Carthago Delanda Est.

@hannibalb8070

Жыл бұрын

I took offense to that

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Not you though, you're cool

@technokokos

Жыл бұрын

1. Iron Snakes are Greek influenced not Roman 2. Carthagians repeatedly steamrolled over different Greek city states and colonies 3. Roman Republic cringe, Carthage based

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Huh, for a civ so based, what happened to your little trade empire, huh?

They’re so friggin badass that they dropped one guy, Priad of Ithaca, onto an Ork feral world for ten years to cull the Ork population. He did so, and made the tallest peak on the continent he was on out of Ork corpses. Short story is called Kill Hill for those interested. Priad is a badass.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That is most decently bad ass, God I love space marines!

@hunterbidenparmesanimports5633

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is badass. Thanks for the info I’m gonna try to find it

@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus

Жыл бұрын

I prefer guardsmen but stories like that always revive my warmth for them space marines a little.

@grahamlopez3742

Жыл бұрын

​@Roman von ungern-sternberg so do I. They're way more badass. space marines are genetically modified super human angels of death. guardsmen are you and me dressed in green with a very standard rifle.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

So much untapped lore there.

They have one of the most whimsical dreadnaughts in 40k, Autolochus. He loves having nostalia trips, tries to sleep but the young ones mke too much noise, he's polite to everyone and bilingual (even politely asking a Dark Eldar he autocannoned to bits for directions). He's great!

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

THIS, now this is exactly what I needed!

@Kingedwardiii2003

2 ай бұрын

Where can I read about him in a book?

@Kingedwardiii2003

2 ай бұрын

Nvm found the book and bought it, gonna read it after I finish betrayer

It makes perfect sense for most of the ultramarine codex deviant chapters.. as Robby G wanted them to be flexible/adaptable.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Funny how those, who are least like the codex, are those who more closely resemble what GuiliDad actually wanted.

@DoomStarRequiem

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA well He considers Uriel Ventris like Aeonid Thiel.. would be interesting to see Guillidad's personal notes on each chapter.. heck I'd buy the book.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I'd buy that.

I love when Chapters let their world define their culture rather then who's gene-seed they are from.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

It's very refreshing to see, then we get stuff like the Emperors Spears who are Ultras who love melee, so cool.

@chrisroberts7000

Жыл бұрын

Mortifactors FTW!

@GunNutproductionsOG

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisroberts7000 Exactly

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

@armata_strigoi_0

Жыл бұрын

This is actually pretty common TBH, if you actually dig in to the fluff most chapters are influenced by their home-world, assuming they do in fact have one.

I think that in the books, they look more like greeks from the odyssey and illiad (Minoan and Mycenaean) than spartan or classical greek in general. And I love them for that.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

If that's true, my love for these guys has shot up 1000 fold, that is so epic.

Ah yes the real spartans of the 40k universe. They dont send companys or squads they send volunteers who rise to a challenge and always small groups of 2-4 that complete their task

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Very unique, and cool, not sure about practical though, but hey it's 40k, who need practicality when you have a TITAN!

@chrisroberts7000

Жыл бұрын

​@@GeneralBradley101VA Theoretical: The rule of cool 😎 is a valid guiding force for any 40K faction. Practical: The Snakes defend a large section of space while also sending troops to more distant conflicts. The fewer brothers needed for a task, the better. Meta: I really love this bit of 30K Ultramarine lore. Even their thoughts must be properly labeled and organized.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Well said Sir! Most well said.

They are actually Space Athenians/Space Ithacans to the Minotaurs' Space Spartans. Also their organization is far more sensible than in Codex Compliant chapters. >Have 10 Battle Companies that have a mix of neophytes, battle brothers and veterans. >Each squad have their own personal standard bearers and each member is a specialist in their own right (even having their own Chaplains, Apothecaries, Techmarines and more). These guys feel more like jack-of-all-trades than their progenitors.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I also love the Iliad feel they have to them, especially with the small bands of men.

Ultramarine gene seed is borderline chimeric at this point after absorbing the two lost legions

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a good point, I didn't think about that.

I love how their planet is clearly a reference to Odysseus home.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Their whole chapter is tbh, and I God do I love it!

To be fair them not being like the Ultramarines can be because they are one of the suspected Loyalist Successors of a Traitor Legion. Guilliman picked up quite a bit of Loyalists.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Fair, i heard that quite a bit.

@ElToronski

Жыл бұрын

They are ultramarines. Ultramarines are known for their adaptability so they tend to adopt the cultures of their homeworlds. Thats why the UM has some of the most diverse successors like the Mortifactors and libetors who looks nothing like the UM. And lets not forget the the snakes are a 2nd founding, which guilliman himself initiated. The same Gmab who doesnt want any chapters to be made from traitorous geneline.

@PumpkinHoard

Жыл бұрын

If they're Ultramarine successors, there's a pretty high chance they were never of Girlymans gene stock. There's a reason why there's so god damn many Ultramarine successors.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

*Cough Cough* Lost Legions

@ElToronski

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA ADB himself debunk that

People often complain about the UltraMarines being bland, they often forget that their successors have so much flavor to em. That being said, Sub if you like the SPACE ROMANS!

@itsjustaline

Жыл бұрын

i have a small theory why some of the ultramarines's successor chapter is so different , i think they are either from the 2nd and 11th legion , they could be from those marines that got mind wipe and integrate into the Ultramarine after [REDACTED] thing during the crusdae

@EddyOfTheMaelstrom

Жыл бұрын

Novamarines are an UM successor and their armor is beautiful.

@ElToronski

Жыл бұрын

​@@itsjustaline the lost legion getting absorbed by the UM is nothing but an in-universe rumor that was spread by butthurt WBs. The author himself clarified this. And the reason why the UM successors are so different is because of their trait. UMs are known for their adaptability. So a chapter of UM geneline tends to adopt their the homeworld's culture making them very different from the progenitor. Case in point- Mortifactors who hails from the a death world, Spears of the Emperors, Tomekeepers etc

@loganb7059

Жыл бұрын

@@itsjustaline these also could be alpha legion loyalists. Ultramarines took in a lot of loyalists from the traitor legions and passed them off as their successors. (Case in point, silver skulls.) Iron snakes have a similar insignia to the alpha legion, the hydra is a Greek mythos creature, they like to use spears, which was the signature weapon of Alpharius, and they have a decentralized structure. None of which is entirely conclusive but it is an interesting theory.

Phalanx strategies with UltraMarines? This, I like.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Honestly Breachers, are one of my favorite units in all of 30/40k, so to see something like them in 40k and LOYALIST, this, this is good.

Kitbashed an army of these guys with a box set of ancient greeks, absolutely awesome chapter !

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

YO! That's sick, man!

They have one of the best novels I've ever read about a single squad of space marines.

@sophieprime4669

Жыл бұрын

Which one is it?

@khartog01

Жыл бұрын

@sophieprime4669 it's called "Brothers of the Snake" by Dan Abnett.

@sophieprime4669

Жыл бұрын

@@khartog01 oh nice. Thanks.

@khartog01

Жыл бұрын

@@sophieprime4669 it's a good read. I'm thinking about giving it a reread, something I rarely do.

@nash-p

8 ай бұрын

Oh man that book was so good

One of my favorite 40k books follows an Iron Snake, I’ve read it many times now

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

They seem to be quite a fan favorite, from what I've seen.

Can see either a rivalry or friendship with the dark krakens

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yo, I'm down for some Sallies/UltraMarines combo battle, ultra gunlines, supporting Sallies Terminator Vanguard, yeah, yeah that's sick😎

Their insignia is suspiciously similar to the Alpha legion

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Lot's of people think that they're loyalist Alpha Legion, but the cannon is that the captian who founded the chapter, had that as his personal insignia.

@lukkaredwolf3534

8 ай бұрын

​@@GeneralBradley101VAI mean, to be fair, that doesn't preclude any of the following options: A) the original was an Alpha Legion plant, B) maybe original was Ultramarine, but they are totally, or maybe just mostly Alpha Legion now, C) Alpharius(Omegon(Alpharius)) took the place of Bobby G at Eskrador, and is acute doing his damnedest to keep up the long con, D) Alpha Legion are known to take from other planets that are recruiting worlds for chapters, so...

Ultramarines: a large legion with the notable lack of gene-seed mutations which allowed their successors to be highly versatile and adaptable to their homeworlds climate and culture Everybody: reeee if the chapter is somewhat unique it can't be Ultramarines it must be some traitor legion successor!

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I feel this on a spiritual level.

That’s hilarious! One of the drawings in there is mine lmao Never expected to see it in a video

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

WHAT! REALLY! Which one, and thank you so much! You and others like you make the things I do possible, so really thank you!

@gauthier_arts3174

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA yeah the one that is the more sketched out xD

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Dude, that's such a good combined picture, like, wow, dude you are one talented man!

@gauthier_arts3174

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!!

@gauthier_arts3174

Жыл бұрын

The one with the beakie right? XD I don’t want to assume credit for another artist^^

This chapters been one of my favorites since gaunts ghosts, rip holofurnace

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Rip the homies.

That song in the beginning brings me Slaaneshi Heretical Flashbacks...

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

It's jazz... What...

I think Ithaca is a island in Greece, probably why their home world was named that

I mean, one of the big points of breaking the legions into chapters was so each chapter would develop its own culture. Meaning even if one chapter was corrupted it’d less likely that chapter could corrupt others, since they’d have that extra hurdle to overcome. So Ultramarines successors being so different from their founding chapter actually makes sense, that’s kinda the idea. Also they tend to follow the codex more in the spirit that was intended, ie a guide book rather than holy writ. So in a way they tend to follow Guilliman’s orders more so than his firstborn sons.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Well said brother.

I do like the theory that guilliman gave the loyalist remnants of the traitor legions place among his own sons as a sign of respect.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

this is one of those chapters I've always headcanoned as secretly being successors of loyal members of traitor legions, in this case the alpha legion

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I love that idea, of loyal elements from traitor legions.

@nash-p

8 ай бұрын

It's a big possibility and wouldn't be the first time

Description: "We are more Greek/spartan than Ultramarines these days!"

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep, 100% true.

Tbh I didn’t know this was a thing. I always told myself if I was going to make a custom chapter it would be Ancient Greece themed. That or an overgrown world where nature has reclaimed the once thriving planet

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

40k is one thing, and that is BIG.

closest thing to spongebob space marines

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yo, that would be epic

Also don't forget the huge af Chapter Master that rumours say is the same one that founded the chapter...

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Wow, this Chapter really has a lot going for it, I might make a full video out of it.

Wait, these guys are our successor chapters? Interesting. They love their librarians. I like my librarians too. They're cool. They've always got the best books on hand.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Librarians are pretty cool.

Brothers of the Snake is one of the best books to ever come out of BL. Absolutely worth a read.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yeah everyone says so, must be good.

@BM-is5ei

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA it's ... I don't know how to describe it. It is not as bland and one dimensional in depicting space marines. The characters are colorful and believable and actually have different perspectives. In a way the only book i know where the SMs seem to be actually human.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Now this is a good book, Lord I need to read this.

I can imagine an Administratum interné equivalent scratching his head explain the origin of a Chapter... He doesn't make enough imperial credits to go through all the archives searching the similarities and comparing the results of analysis regarding the origin of a Geneseed... He take his quill pat his favorite servo skull holding the candle in his small cubicle and says: "Adeptus Astartes Ultra, for sure..." As he turn the page and pick another Chapter, doing the same thing as before.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can totally see that.

A space marine chapter inspired by Odysseus and his Ithacians... Let me guess they got lost for over 10 years in the warp after sieging a chaos fortress involving a wooden horse

These guys actually sound and look cool, feels perfect for a kill team, maybe just do some minor alters on the Phobos kill team

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

They really are make for a kill team.

I'm tellin' ya, the successors of the Ultramarines got that gene-seed from the missing legions... Guilliman padded his legion after the lost primarchs were "lost," then he saw they would be way different from the Ultramarines and was like, "Yeah, we shouldn't have legions anymore. Let's break up into chapters so I can throw these discount Astartes into my discard pile."

@GeneralBradley101VA

9 ай бұрын

Agree with the first part, not so much the second.

Basically the black templars of the ultramarines

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Not really GuiliDad has some BATSHIT successors out there, seriously it wild.

Ithaca is also a necron dynasty (now almost entirely flayers) and the home of Odysseus from the odyssey (Greek tale)

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That, now that is cool as shit.

Ultramarines have a person with personality. " get the f out."

I think the Ultramarines have “weird” sucessors because 1) many of the common UM Sucessors are basically UM in all but name (ie Genesis Chapter, White Consuls etc) 2) UM are seen as the default or normal SM, so having a weird culture is an easy way to stand out (ie Doom Eagles, Silver Skulls, Mortifactors, Emperor’s Spears, Iron Snakes)

@GeneralBradley101VA

10 ай бұрын

Still crazy though.

Every chapter that comes from the ultra marines was founded by rebels and were all designed to be the polar opposite of the boys in blue

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, where did you come across that?

About the time the Lost Primarchs were [REDACTED] the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists suddenly gained a large increase in numbers. Funny that.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Funny indeed, those logistics, huh.

Ithaca? Very subtle GW.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's GW the Creators that brought you, classics such as "Mount DeathFire" and "Olyimpa"

They seem to be loyalist alpha Legion

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Bruh, I still have PTSD from my Alpha Legion Video, smh...

@RogueBlood343

Жыл бұрын

Nope, their founder was Captain Saul Damocles. His personal heraldry was the coiled snake and his lightning claw is still used by the leader of Damocles squad.

@AlphaOmegon

Жыл бұрын

How do you know we are not loyalist?

@EdgarStyles1234

Жыл бұрын

@@AlphaOmegon I know you are but I been an openly loyalist

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

My head hurts....

Roboute Guilliman returns and asks the Iron Snakes if they were good Bois and followed the Codex? Iron Snakes look around and twiddle their thumbs awkwardly.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

GuiliDad would actually be pretty chill about it, tbh, the codex was always meant to be stop-gap guideline not well the ULTRA-BIBLE, which is what it became, after Bobby G went to sleep.

@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA GuiliDad proceeds to give efficiently timed, optimal morale hugs to his Iron Snake bois for using Codex flexibly.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I need that as a meme.

athenian space marines -Spartiate marine

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

These are definitely more odyssey/athenian themed, whiles the Minotaur's got that Spartan shir on lock.

iron sneks, dan abnett's fanfic marines

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

And a bloody good fanfic it is.

Everyone’s a friggin ultramarine successor 😑

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Largest Legion, just comes with the territory.

Ithaca was also a Greek island lol

I mean the Ultramarines did absorb the remaining astartes of the lost Legions during the Great Crusade and didn't get hit nearly as badly as other Legions

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep, right on the money chap.

Iron snakes.. iron warriors.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Most people reckon that they're Alpha Legion boys.

Yep, Ultramarines. Definitely not a loyalist chapter of Alpha Legion Marines

The successor chapters might be so different due to influence from the absorbed 2nd and 11th legions

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That's a solid theory, that makes sense.

Having read Brothers of the Snake (one of my favorite and most memorable novels of all time), I never imagined them having a greek aesthetic to them.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I mean they fight in a Phalanx and they are Ultramarines successors.

@Jumbuck1151

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA True, but a phalanx is a military doctrine that has nothing to do with their appearance. I pictured them more like vikings, especially during their training, rituals, and their general brutality. I remember one scene where one of them, a librarian I think, fought a giant polar bear with his bare hands. No power armor or anything.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

They could be a mix of both, hell who knows!

@odgreen9113

Жыл бұрын

It is also the Greek names of squads, name of their planet, etc.

SNEK? SNEK!

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Snek.

Iirc there are hints/theories that the iron snakes are in fact loyalist alpha legion successors. Ultramarines took in a lot of loyalist units from the traitor legions, and post second founding passed them off as ultramarine successors. Example is silver skulls, who are all but outright confirmed to be iron warriors. The evidence for the iron snakes being alpha legion is much looser. Basically comes down to their insignia being a hop skip and a jump from the alpha legion hydra, the hydra being itself a Greek mythos monster, their love of spears (Alpharius’ signature weapon) and their decentralized organizational structure. All of which could be just coincidental but it is pretty compelling.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I'm kinda torn on stuff like this, as I ADORE the idea of Loyalist elements of Traitor Legions, but I also love the idea of individual companies, that come into their own as they leave their mother legions, but I'm up for either option.

The brother's of the snake are secretly a Alpha legion successor chapter.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I've heard that a lot.

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA everytime they talk about their Primark, they say "in the name of the Primark that sired us" or "our Primark" but when they talk about Robute, they say his name explicitly. Also the statue of their Primark in the trench holds a Trident.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I could see it.

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA there is also the figurine on the bottom of the trench. A figure of the Primarch, face eroded away by the sea, holding a spear / Trident.

Жыл бұрын

The forbidden trench i should add.

Greco roman spacemarines hmm not bad for a successor

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love the Space Marine Argonauts.

Also Ultramarine Successors being weird isnt new. The Mortifactors literally believe in ghosts. Some chapters are just really influenced by the homeworlds they adopt. (Also the Reef Stars where the Iron Snakes live are literally the boonies of the Imperium. Its so far out even Orks only find it accidentally every few centuries and usually 1 Marine can resolve an issue of an entire planet.)

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Well that explains the "Only one is needed" I though it was just GW being dumb.

@Makorze

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA The Iron Snakes were founded solely to patrol the Reef Stars. Thier chapter structure of squads and very experienced squads "The Notables" is particularly well suited to fighting the Dark Eldar, a race that also prefers small elite strike forces. Thier doctrines however are poorly suited to fighting Orks as frankly they dont have the numbers to tackle an Warrgh head on without using hit and run tactics.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense Dark Eldar are Raiders, so small forces are better, also makes sense that they struggle against Orks who excel in open field, Wow, GW made lore that makes sense, who'd a thunk?

@Makorze

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA Another unique thing about them is that its so rare that they see "serious" action that they have to draw lots to determine who gets to go. (Ofc the Notable squads get priority)

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

God I love little things like that, very solider-like.

UltraCHADs

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

YES!

And then none of them were special when the Primaris came

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I don't mind the primaris, tbh, I think GW should go more the BT route where Primaris are the same units, just a little different,

You should read Brothers of the snake - Dan Abnett

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I've heard its really good.

Bro. Read Brother of the Snake. It’s so good. Or listen to it on Audible, either way. It’s written by the guy who wrote Gaunt’s Ghosts, Dan Abnet. It’s surprisingly fantastic.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Dude there are so many books I need to listen to😂 But 100% added to the list.

Why would you want to be like the Ultramarines if you're granted independence from them? I imagine the more weirder legion's successor chapters would probably aspire to be more like them instead

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Simple logistics and quality of life, the Ultramarines have the best supply lines of all the Space Marines and Ultramar is one of the few safe and good places to live, it's not for looks or rules or even effectiveness, in terms of living in a stable Empire, that' why you want to be like the Ultramarines.

Ultramarines are Greco-Roman in aesthetics and these guys are pretty much Space Greeks.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep, right on the money chap.

Ithaca is the name of the home of Odysseus, a greek hero.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Love little snippets like that.

I reading an iron snakes book now

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I've heard it's really good.

I have every Iron Snakes book, my army is Iron Snakes, my custom chapter is essentially a mix of Blood Angels and Iron snakes..... and I still don't understand what is that makes the Iron Snakes chapter more "superstitious" than other chapters, if anything the fact they are not codex compliant despite being ultramarine successors makes them more pragmatic in my eyes.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

The superstition comes from them revering their founders as demi-gods, that and they're a reference to the odyssey, so makes sense when you think about it.

Many ultramarine successors have a different gene-father lol

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

This is true, I find it kinda funny, tbh like: "Which Legion are you from?" "Ultramarine." "But you specialize in siege warfare, and have IRON as a core motif." "Trust, bro." "Fair." Like what🤣

@Michael-bn1oi

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA they are just adopted siblings lol

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I actually love that idea, not gonna lie, that the Loyalist elements of the traitor Legions think of GuiliDad as their true father, so they honour him, by taking his name.

That sounds like thousand son's

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

The consensus is that they're Alpha Legion or Lost Legion geneseed.

Humm, they seem really cool

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Sci-fi Hoplite Super Soldiers, yeah that's cool.

So ultramarine successors have daddy issues. With their primarch, go figure.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

I mean GuiliDad was gone for 10,000 years.

The novmarines are basically carbon copies of the ultramarines, so are the Knights Errant, and I’m pretty sure the astral claws are ultramarine successors based on how Huron went and built an empire and they had a hard on for the codex until… well… you know

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

He was loyal... Until he was not.

space marines in skirts look funny haha

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Ok, I have to be that guys, they're not skirts, they're tereges, a type of armour-like item, that was used by the Greco-Romano peoples.

Marine

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!

Honestly. GW should give ultramarines graeco Roman anesthetic kits that resemble their 30k arts and like blood angels and the likes have. They have lore that gives Roman feels,they behave similar to how romans would and are adaptable like romans...WHY NOT GIVE US ACTUAL ROMAN LOOK. My boys are done so dirty for the sake of being the standard template for space marines

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

My brother, you have just read my heart, I feel your pain, my poor Rome boys...

Greeks loved snakes, so its accurate, also is that helmet in the first piscture the actual accurate-to-the-game helmet?

@GeneralBradley101VA

9 ай бұрын

No idea!

They're exactly like the Ultramarines... what do you think the Ultramarines are like?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Very Roman, and the treat the codex like the Bible, never deviating from it EVER, I mean Space Marine 1 is a perfect example, of how stubborn they can be.

@myfaceismyshield5963

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA I meant in terms of historical themes... half of all Ultramarines characters have greek names... the other half have latin ones. And they have a heavy seafaring theme (since sailing is in their name) and their homeworld is pretty much based on ancient Greece (a little more subtly than Ithaka, but still recognisable) while the rest of the planets in Ultramar have more of a Roman vibe. The Ultramarines are the most jack of all trades legion/chapter so honestly it makes sense that their successors can have almost any specialisation

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Ah, but yeah you're on the money, most depictions of the Ultramarines have them set in the Principate, but there's not much other than that(My guess is that they're the personification of Greco-Roman aesthetic, combing mostly Roman themes, with some Greek here and there), and the last bit about them have any specialization is right on the money.

@myfaceismyshield5963

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA for sure, yes... also there are the White Consuls who go even harder on the Roman theme (and some of them have an even bigger fixation on rules and the Codex Astartes)

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Love the White Consuls, really love it when Chapters have more than 1000 Marines, and the two Chapter Master concept is just perfect.

So they're Greek, use phalanx tactics, and their aesthetics go hard? Honestly sounds like Perturabo's influence to me,ngl.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That's something I wish the Iron Warriors had more, the idea of an industrial, Greek war machine, slowly grinding away the enemy.

ASTARTES, WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

I still subscribe to the idea that many Ultramarine successors are actually loyalist Iron Warriors made into their own chapters after the heresy. They disguise themselves as Ultramarine successors because Guilliman was one of the only primarchs to give them the chance to stay in the Imperium.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Oooooooo, that I like, I really like that, yeah I subscribe to that one too, very plausible, and very like GuiliDad.

How does one use a Pharlanx if it's just you and some 9 or so pals?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Well, each Space Marine has the strength of 10 men, so theoretically their phalanx could be as good as a 90 man unit, and that just seems pretty epic to me.

Just wondering they're not secretly a loyalist alpha legionare that's taken in by robo guliman right? right?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

There's a high chance, but when it comes to the alpha legion, shit is crazy.

They could've been called aquamarines

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

A missed opportunity.

Bad mo’fos

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Damn straight, bad ass as fuck.

When I saw her talk to her dog I wanted to steal her dog from her and give her steak and quail eggs, I give it to my dog every friday and she loves it haha

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Dogs are just the best.

@trevordenver9877

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA i put this comment on a Daz Games video how did it end up here

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

The good Lord Almighty only knows, but nonetheless welcome! Hope you like Warhammer, History and Audio Dramas!

DEUS VULT

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

DEUS VULT! Though if your looking for crusaders, might I recommended the Black Templars, I mean... Come on, it's in the name😂

Were the iron snakes chapter declared renegades ?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Not to my knowledge.

Hmmmmm do these iron snakes scream about hydras at all?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Aperantly, I have no knowledge about that, but that seems to be the consensus.

Is there Chapter mater named Odysseus

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

There should be.

They are Alpha Legion successors

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

My PTSD, from my Alpha Legion video, still haunts me.

@RogueBlood343

Жыл бұрын

Nope, their founder was Captain Saul Damocles. His personal heraldry was the coiled snake and his lightning claw is still used by the leader of Damocles squad.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

There is a lot of consensus that they have something to do with the Alpha Legion.

Does second founding mean your basically a successor chapter of a successor chapter? So who is the chapter that came before them but after the ultra marines?

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

The first founding was when BIG E created the original 20 Legions, the Second founding was when the loyalist Legions were broken up into the first Chapters, so the Iron Snakes were made up of Ultramarines from the 5th Company, the third founding and so on is when a brand new Space Marine chapter is created from the geneseed of one of the original 9 loyalist Legions. Hope that clears things up😁 Thanks for the comment chap and have a great day!

@jacobweatherford4696

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA oh ok my bad glad to know how the whole foundings thing works.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

No problem brother, and don't feel the need to apologize, I love helping people get to know this crazy world that is 40k😄

Why do I feel they are Iron Warriors successors? I see Greek i thing Iron Incels

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

That or Alpha Legion, see to be the main idea.

I like to think that many of the "Ultramarine" successors chapters are actually from either the Lost or Purged Primarchs. The Ultramarine ranks did coincidentally swell at the same time the 2nd and 11th "disbanded". So the geneseed these ones pass on makes the new recruit a little different the average blue berry. And when forming them into a Chapter well.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Solid theory, and very plausible, pity that GW won't give us anything about them, I think it would be cool to have a super unique chapter, that has one of the Lost legions geneseed, so they would be like a mini-legion, but since their a successor so far removed from the original, we have no idea if they're an accurate description, or a spin on the old guard.

@covahredro8370

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA Maybe its for the best that they don't, given their current track record. But also because it gives people some freedom to make up their own ideas, even if it isn't canon. But yeah I'd to see something hinting at least in that direction one day.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, after the fan animations debacle, I DO NOT trust GW one bit.

*Are* the Iron Snakes. Not is

Just play minotaur's bro

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

The Minotaur's are kinda assholes, though.

@alpharius1706

Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralBradley101VA that's the point

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Fair.

Sounds greek.

@GeneralBradley101VA

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

Sparta spacemarine??

@GeneralBradley101VA

9 ай бұрын

More Greek Odessy, if you want Spartan, then check out he Minotaur's.