What're your thoughts on 'THE IRON CLAW'?

@cinematicmike5323

7 ай бұрын

I enjoyed it. But I thought it was rushed to the tragedy that happened. I don’t think we got to know the characters like we should have. But it is something special to me as they don’t make many like this anymore. It’s not bad. It’s one I’ll definitely pick on physical media. Cast was great. Cinematography, Production was well. I was impressed as it looked like it was from that time.

@haraldrauppraupp1761

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely love it. But i still think "The Wrestler" (2008) is a better movie

@JeffPLut

7 ай бұрын

great movie

@mattrice3993

7 ай бұрын

Only complaint i have is that the scenes felt rushed other then that A+ movie

@joed7185

7 ай бұрын

Masterpiece? Its Durkins worst film so how can it be a *uck*n masterpiece. Your film illiteracy is showing bruh

Absolutely loved this film. The intro with Fritz and the title card paying homage to Raging Bull had me going, “holy shit,” but the film lost some of its steam. I understand why Chris was cut out, but part of me still feels like there was a way to include him as well as the story where Fritz pulled the gun on Kevin. Other than that I felt this was the film that wrestling deserves. I only wish it stayed with the tone set in the black and white intro for a little longer and let each tragedy settle for a bit longer too. Completely agree with the 4.5/5.

@blakegibb5100

7 ай бұрын

Chris dying it what really set Kerry over the edge to let himself go on top of his addiction problems. In the Vice Doc Kevin said when Kerry called him he said “I want to go be with my brothers. What Chris did you have to be so strong. I want to go join him.” Remember Kerry took Chris under his wing and was training him and he was working out with him to help Chris. Same that Kev did with Michael. And honestly out of all the brothers Chris wanted to be the wrestler the most.. I get they had a ton of tragedies and really tough moments already in the movie, but that would have been good to add to the story. Also if the guy who played Ric would have actually watched promos Ric did before he filmed.. that dude was underwhelming for Ric Flair in a wrestling movie.

@verzinghettorix6360

7 ай бұрын

@@blakegibb5100Harley race was so good tho lol

@chrischar9428

7 ай бұрын

It's a steaming pile. Of crap. Poorly cast. One actor was allowed to train the rest looked like schmucks off the street.

The way Kevin tells the story of Fritz pulling the gun on him, Fritz said “If you had any guts you’d kill yourself like your brothers,” and Kevin said “It takes guts to live not to die.” Shame they didn’t find a way to include this, seems like it would’ve fit in perfectly toward the end.

@durden2480

7 ай бұрын

They should’ve had that scene

@ericsmusic5927

7 ай бұрын

That would've been too over the top tbh, the ending was fine the way it was

@jordyhitty

6 ай бұрын

seems too dark tho

The fact that this film is so amazing and still missed so much is astounding! I wish they covered more and hell make it 3 hours!

Dude the last lines from Kevins sons… It destroyed me. I’ll remember it for forever. Its so beautiful.

What's so captivating and unique about The Iron Claw is that in another script or setting, it would feel corny and out-of-place, but as professional wrestling being the epicentre of it, it feels just right. Durkin has created a love letter to professional wrestling with his The Iron Claw the same way Tarantino did for Japanese epics with his Kill Bill. Sure the story is perhaps the bleakest and devastating in the medium's history, but it's handled with such care and gentleness that you just feel nothing but helplessness for the brothers, thanks to the haunting and harrowing atmosphere created by its cinematography and score. But in the end it's a movie that gives you hope once everything spirals down. Zac has given his best performance not only of his career but a performance that reflects professional wrestling with his physical storytelling, the best of the year. Despite being a wrestling fan myself, I do feel biased saying it's my movie of the year, but the Boat scene alone has made me feel more than anything I've ever seen this year, I do get the pacing issues, but it's more reflective for Kevin how fast everything felt for him. While The Wrestler is still the best movie about wrestlers living as people, The Iron Claw is about people being wrestlers. 4.75/5 (5 if it was in Tokyo Dome and had Will Ospreay in it)

Bout to see it tomorrow. So hyped. Been a lifelong pro wrestling fan and I've followed Zac Efron's career since he was in HSM when I was a kid. Very happy for all parties about the film's success

@durden2480

7 ай бұрын

What did think?

saw it a few days ago, went in completely blind i had no idea what actually happened as i've never followed wrestling at all. i haven't been able to get this film out my head. there's one scene where david, kevin and kerry are walking to the ring and tom sawyer is playing and it sends chills down my spine. great film

All my friends worked on it and got invited to thier cast screening on Thursday. What an AMAZING FILM

I learned about the Von Erich's in the Dark Side of the Ring episode and while I like and affected by the movie, the events and portrayals of the family felt...a bit safe? I get that it was condensed and all for runtime purposes but Sean Durkin did an amazing job capturing the love and comradery of the brothers. I wish the movie delved into their involvement with their community as they were more than just wrestlers and family-first types.

@reneebush2399

7 ай бұрын

I would have loved to have seen what he could have done with a miniseries for that reason.

I haven’t cried in a movie in a very long time. I’m a huge wrestling mark and have followed the von Erich’s as long as I can remember. This movie is a masterpiece, I hope it wins everything

Not Modern Day - ALL TIME CLASSIC. It's the Godfather of Sports movies. Incredible.

Fans now don't realize that the manic, frothing Ric Flair dropping elbows on his jacket was NOT the traveling NWA World Champion of the 80s. He could get worked up, but in most cases, his onscreen persona was way WAY more calm, cool, and collected than it was in 90s WCW.

@manco828

7 ай бұрын

If you watch videos of Ric Flair from 1983, he was exactly like that.

@TheGarciaKidd

7 ай бұрын

The backstage Flair was SO ON POINT THO

found your channel because of this video thumbs way up and speaking of found, this movie changed my life as odd as it may sound it actually was the catalyst of getting out of a major depression downward spiral for the last two years or so left the theatre (3 times thus far) with a true realization of how precious life and family are a masterpiece indeed limited special edition 4k steelbook set 🤞

I just watch it today. It was a really good one. Zac Efron's performance was outstanding, you could feel the warmth and care of the "second oldest" brother through the screen.

Best movie I've seen since "The Irishman" and "Joker."

This should’ve been a 3 hour movie to show everything that was left out and then the movie would be a 5 out of 5 stars.

@ericsmusic5927

7 ай бұрын

Not enough money in the budget bud

Honestly understanding the complexity of film making. I was thoroughly happy with this film! Knowing they wont be able to capture everything. It was amazing

I do agree with this review of the movie, especially the part about Ric flair but I guess I’m just so used to seeing his on screen persona that when you try to recreate it, it just doesn’t feel the same, all in all though definitely thought this was a great movie will definitely buy it when it comes out on blu ray/dvd, as someone that grew up watching the greats (stone cold, the rock, etc) I’m so happy we get a wrestling movie that isn’t cheesy one that actually focuses on the real ppl and story, Zac efron has come a lone way from being the annoying teenage heart throb to doing an amazing job acting this one and the awkward moment are now two of my favorite films with him in it, Love it 4.9 outta 5 for sure (and yes I knew about the von Erich’s and what happened to them before I saw this movie )

Just saw it today, thought it was fantastic. While you're probably right about the film's release date being too late, I do hope some Oscar noms occur, especially for Zac Eflon. And even if it's ignored come Oscar time, I also see this film becoming a much beloved classic that will gain respect over time.

Could have added a couple of more hours to this movie but I did enjoy it. Seemed like they rushed through each chapter. This would have been better suited as a multiple episode mini series.

This the best film I’ve seen in a long long time.

I live in Dallas and my peers (born 1998) don't really know about the Von Erich's because they were before our time. I think what's crazy is that there's no trace of their arena, The Dallas Sportatorium, to be found at all. There's a liquor store a block away called "River Cut Rate Liquor", and every time I grab a bottle with my friends, I always point out that the empty plot of land that they're looking at is where wrestling history happened. It's where The Undertaker had his first ever match against Bruiser Brody, it's where Gentleman Chris Adams trained a young prospect named Steve Austin, and it's where the Von Erich's had their dynasty! Today it's just an empty field on the street of a liquor store, bail bonds, and the county jail. It's a shame that there's not some sort of memorial or landmark, but to me it's still pretty surreal to think that what seems like an empty plot of land that you pass everyday holds so much significance.

@scifiguy333

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing that story. That's kind of a bummer about the old Sportatorium. I was 7 when we moved to Dallas in 1980. My little brother and I watched WCCW every Saturday night. Saw the rise of the von Erich brothers and so many other stars, Junkyard Dog, Iceman King Parsons, Scandar Ackbar, a list so long I'd be here all day typing it out. My brother and I haven't seen each other in over 25 years but we reconnected over a conversation we had about this movie and the memories that came flooding back to us when we used to watch it religiously. Used to beat the shit out of each other with the iron claw and figure 4's and Boston Crabs too! Anyway, not really a wrestling fan anymore but I do love thinking back to those days. Thanks again for sharing that with everyone.

Seen it twice already and I will see it again tomorrow

An absolutely solid film that represents wrestling. I hope whoever still considers wrestling “fake” can watch this movie and realise how f****d up the sport can be behind the scenes. My favourite parts of the film were the promos. Excited to see it again.

This brought me back to that era, when I used to watch wrestling with my grandfather (great memories). I do remember this family but did not know the extent of their tragedies. I was in their age group and loved seeing them wrestle. All the ladies were in love with them. This movie moved me like Kramer vs. Kramer and Ordinary People. They took a very difficult issue, suicide, and helped the viewer through the highs and lows. Those of us who survived that time remember the expectations of our parents, who struggled to keep food on the table. Our grandparents suffered through the Great Depression. No one even discussed mental health back then. There was shame and family secrets. For me, it represented a time in history that hopefully made us more aware of mental health and family dynamics. This movie was amazing! As a Baby Boomer, I saw things that others may not have noticed… great job!! I hope they are nominated for the Oscars.

If I wasn’t even a wrestling fan I would still love this movie

Denton TX here, this movie is emotional and super powerful

The "fake" Von Erich was there, but it was only during the scene where Kevin waited to get tagged in and the camera just stayed on him for that entire portion. It almost seems like MJF's part was massively cut.

I love the Von Erichs family. I remember my family watched WCCW every weekend when i was only 1 year old. That's how i got into wrestling. It's a must watch movie

2:21 That criticism didn't make sense tbh You get to know the family so when they die, you feel like your own brother die Nothing repetitive or clunky about it

Can't wait to see it comes out on the18th of Jan here in Australia.

@scifiguy333

5 ай бұрын

I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

@vernongrant3596

5 ай бұрын

@@scifiguy333 one of the best movies I've ever seen.

They should have had Jey Lethal stand in for Rick Flair lol

I was amazed with this film. I already knew about the tragic family going in. And still got the emotional gut punches. I did miss the story of Chris Von Erich, but I learned that the director & Kevin Von Erich himself okayed not having Chris in the film. Honestly how much tragedy can you take? 1 minor thing I have is they could’ve chosen somebody better to portray Ric Flair. Or at least had the guy really attempt to impersonate Ric Flair better.

4:32 bro just forgets about making a point about Ric Flair .

it's just show you there can only one person who can play Ric Flair and thar's Ric Flair

What an amazing film about the tragic family of wrestling zac efron was amazing what a transformation he is as great as Cillian Murphy in oppenheimer is a sad story about how you most go on after losing all your brothers I lost my brother is there not a day that goes by that i remember him

@scifiguy333

5 ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss, Carlos. I have a brother and can't imagine.

Amazing film just wished it really showed the kerry vs ric match

They should do a movie on Chris

the Von Erichs WCCW on ESPN 4pm!!!!

The problem with this movie that I had is that I felt nothing about the brothers. None of their deaths (except mikes) made me feel like I lost a friend or a brother, I just felt like a character died and that’s a big problem in an autobiography like this. I never read about the Von Eric’s and I went into this film blind. After the movie, I sat down and read their stories and I personally felt this movie was a MAJOR missed opportunity, not to mention the ill treatment of Chris by not including him in the movie, and it should’ve been a 6 episode mini series. I thought everything about the movie was great from the direction, the sound design and the incredible performances (from Efron in particular), but the whole movie felt so rushed to me. 7/10

There are a lot of flaws with this film, but it's still beautiful.

@scifiguy333

5 ай бұрын

Producers win some of those battles unfortunately. I thought I had heard or read some gossip that he wanted to include Chris but was shut down so tried to combine him with Mike. Timeline was definitely off but I'm assuming run time blame. Director seemed like he liked the family and maybe shied away from some of the darker? details as well. And I don't blame him, it's tragic enough already. Anyway, I'm sorry, I know you didn't ask for any of that. But I agree, as a film it's beautiful.

I don't care about Vince being there or not but I am also a born again wrestling fan. Started watching at wreslemania night 2. Been gone since 2013 lol

@apieceofmedia

7 ай бұрын

Same, I also started watching again at thsi year’s Royal Rumble

@suezcontours6653

7 ай бұрын

I'll wait for it to stream.​@@apieceofmedia

Though not perfect it was a story worth telling and im glad it was told.

I thought this film was a interesting tale about the cautionary tale of toxic masculinity and intergenerational trauma of the working ideal traditional man who goes to great lengths to want to provide and better for his kids and inherently wanting them to follow in his footsteps due in part to the lost opportunities he couldn’t himself( although it can be imply his attitude as a stepping stone as to y it certainly didnt happen to him). I thin people who are well-equipped about the story of the von Erich’s will highly be disappointed in this film as it does jump timelines to keep in line with the 2 hrs film but it doesn’t necessarily mean it does not capture integral elements of the brothers particularly Kevin himself.

I honestly feel that more people will rewatch The Iron Claw than they will Oppenheimer and Barbie

I don't understand why no Oscar nomination?

@garinsparks7041

7 ай бұрын

Nominations don't come out til January 23rd

Are you a wrestling fan? Or a wwe fan? Cause if you haven't heard of the story of The Golden Lovers I highly recommended it. It is the best story in the wrestling medium

😢😢😢😢 had me ballin

i did not see the Von Erick's wrestle in their Hey Day. I lived in the mid south area and the most i had was the wrestling magazines. So yes i knew there was a feud between Kerry and Ric Flair but i thought it was huge. Only time i got to see Kerry wrestle was as the Texas Tornado in the WWF. THat was horrible. A member of one of the greatest wrestling dynasties introduced as the Texas Tornado? Ric Flair was not introduced that way when he entered the WWF. Well i still have to see this movie and only saw the trailer two weeks ago.

@bwag14

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree with the Texas Tornado garbage in the wwe. Same thing Vince did to Dory Funk Jr, a long time world champion, calling him "Hoss Funk". Shameful.

I like how they DIDNT paint Fritz more negative.people make it out to be he was an unloving evil piece of shit. He was hard and strict but he loved those boys and they WERE out of control in the 80s on drugs and partying its not ALL his fault after watching hours of interviews a out the subject

@robertwiles8106

7 ай бұрын

Fritz Von Erich was an icon in his own right. It's weird seeing him judged through a woke lens. He was not a bad or evil man. He BUILT World Class Championship Wrestling into the greatest territory production in the sport.

@kthemaster1999

7 ай бұрын

​@robertwiles8106 Kevin von Erich himself said Fritz was unnecessarily harsh to them. I wouldn't call Kevin woke. I'm sure Fritz was an abusive piece of shit but like any human being, he wasn't one 24/7. I'd say this portrayal was actually quite authentic to how abusers really are.

@ironclaw79

7 ай бұрын

@kthemaster1999 I also heard kevin von erich say fritz was a wonderful father and a good man

@Messwithmitchie

7 ай бұрын

I do believe he loved his sons I also think he pushed them harder then he should have for example he made David go on his trip despite throwing up profusely as we know David died while in Japan this could have been avoided if Fritz wasn’t so obsessed with the family’s image and the boys wrestling careers

I don’t know. Something seemed off to me, though I can’t quite put my finger on it. Decent movie, that said.

@apieceofmedia

7 ай бұрын

Might’ve been the pacing that could’ve seem off.

It was good not great. Rushed at parts. Crammed real events and people together. The actor playing Kerry was miscast - he's way too tiny. I left without really feeling much. As a pro wrestling fan, felt The Wrestler was better.

@editnosmirc4489

7 ай бұрын

I think they should have cast Jeremy as Kevin and Zac as Kerry

@devmag52

7 ай бұрын

@@editnosmirc4489same. Kevin was never that huge. Kerry was

So much wrong with this commentary. A movie about the 70’s and you’re excited to see “90’s filmmaking”? And sunset gradients were not a hallmark of 90’s filmmaking, nor was a “film-like filter”. What are you even on about?

They just left out too much. Rushed over a lot.

I thought this movie was very well actwd i just didn't feel the emotion despite everything that happened i never really felt the emotion in this decent movie a bit overrated

This movie was fucking terrible

Clunky scenes and speed bumps and yet 4.5??? At best this was a 3.

Way overrated

i see why chris was not in it plus when kevin steals a gun. it would have been 4 hrrs 3 stars out of of 4 great movie