This technique works in many old sims, such as GTR2 and Race07

@gatekeeper99924

4 жыл бұрын

TIM O'! hows it hanging!

your tires are like " hold my beer...*gripflick * yolo bro yolo..."

Fernando Alonso technique! Lol he turns in super hard to slip the front tyres to help him find the limit

i'm gonna check if it works IRL, brb

@grnhy

4 жыл бұрын

Did you die?

@DagumiWAT

4 жыл бұрын

rip [*]

@NightFire2003

2 жыл бұрын

he ded

@scriblestingray5713

Жыл бұрын

He died a hero.

@MrGlockshna

Жыл бұрын

He never came back. He ded boys.

Guessing this is an overreaction to some of the old tire models where there wasn't enough initial grip and you could/had to just saw on the wheel with nothing happening...

That explains a lot. I was wondering why I couldn't hit an apex to save my life when I started playing AMS2 recently. Didn't realize it was years of iRacing teaching me bad habits. Apparently I was using this technique, but completely subconsciously. I also noticed when just cruising the back roads in real life that, sometimes, I was turning in kind of aggressively, just like in iRacing. Definitely gives me something to think about the next time I go the track.

Do you know if the new tire model fixes these issues? Sadly the new model is only available on a couple paid cars. The skippy is one I think.

I've done this kind of thing in rF2. To me, it's not actually that initial turn in that creates the grip, it's the very minor counter steer a split second after. It's quite difficult to explain but in my view, counter-steering (NOT opposite-lock, just a very minor application of counter steer), produces more grip than normal steering. I'm not saying what you've shown is totally realistic, but I have noticed a similar effect in real life - where you're in a steady state cornering situation right on the limit of grip and you apply just a touch of countersteer and for a split moment you get a tiny bit more grip and some rotation from the car.

@41BOT

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like you are causing "neutral steer" this way. Neutral steer means that you have all tires at optimal slip angle. It is almost a 4 wheels slide basically. If you make initial steering input make car rotate, and then reduce steering input by a little it makes sense if car would get in a state of neutral steer in such way, and having car like that is fastest way around because you use all tires at their maximum in such way.

that seems like a very uncomfortable way to drive

Austin I like you but for the love of God get a pop filter

Maybe you can do a little series of short vids with ridiculously crazy times on several tracks/sessions in iR, by using this "feature". I've heard from this exploit before, but not as "Grip Flick".^^ It is somewhat funny, that iRacing and maybe some other sims still "suffer" from it! :D eSports ready!

so fernando alonso in 2005 would be an iracing God

Hey Austin do u know how there getting 13000rpm out of the c fixed trucks

Does it not wear out your tires more? And thats gonna be so hard to change from the way i was taught

Ah yes, free neck snapping.

So that's why when I'm behind some goober and he takes a line that I try to mimic I end up in the wall while he keeps zooming on. (yeah I know, bad racing, but sometimes tunnel vision happens)

does this still work as of 4/14/2020? does anyone know?

Look at the comments asking if it still works so they can use it, lol. But this is abused so hard in Gran Turismo. Everyone at the top does this, and this is considered normal.

@KepleroGT

Жыл бұрын

Didn't even know it was a thing. So that's why when I turn in the car feels good then starts understeering

@natel7382

Жыл бұрын

@@KepleroGT yea. GTSPORT ruined me when I back to pc. Lol I still haven't trained myself out of it all the way. Some day.

Out of curiousity, have they fixed this? Thinking about potentially renewing my subscription.

@karhu07

Жыл бұрын

Its prolly fixed

@mustangroadracer

Жыл бұрын

no it is not, works great especially on the oval side on entry, .. its worth .2 a lap if u master it and does not effect ur long run in the slightest.. i would assume the sudden jerking of the wheel pushes the tire model past its expected limits and causing the model to error correct if i had to guess.. i left iracing in 2013 after there first awful tire model, and i returned during covid... and am once again done til they figure it out... but due to how iracing ties the hands of its talented young developers to protect the ego of others, i assume it will be a long time till this changes..

Isn't this literally what Fernando Alonso did at Renault IRL

@ZakFR

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't he do that to intentionally create understeer? This technique seems to do the opposite, to my eyes at least.

@notachannel6097

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZakFR From what I remember he was loading the shit out of the front tires so that when he started steering out of the corner at the apex, as soon as he would get on the gas the car would just have insane rotation and he'd gain omega lap time. This looks like oversteering and understeering at the same time somehow. Like the car turns in but never breaks traction, then tightens up as the tires unload. So yes and no?

@ZakFR

2 жыл бұрын

@@notachannel6097 Ah, that makes sense. So yeah, this iRacing technique isn't really the same thing. At least it seems like it may have been fixed by now from what I've heard, although I don't play iRacing so I've no idea if that's the case.

@CharlesFreck

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you'll notice this isn't occurring on a 2005/2006 Renault F1 car. That technique was very specifically that car during those years with a specific tyre specification and technical specs at a certain weight distribution. He found a real life exploit that was super specific to his situation. He no longer does it, because Pirelli tyres don't work like that. It is hyper unrealistic in stock cars. It can sometimes occur with open wheelers if it's a certain set of factors lining up.

@mustangroadracer

Жыл бұрын

Not really, Alonso did it in the middle of the corner.. on oval cars in iracong it works only if done on entry.. i dont have much expeirience with iracings road side though, because other games do a much better job of simming themm

Arcade Simulator! Just tested it in NFS! works!

The tankslappers look real in example, tankslappers like that should definitelly be thing if you are not fast enough with countersteering as fronts grip up. But further in the video it definitely seems like something is messed up. Sounds like if "relaxation length" is absolutely messed up, or aero is messed up.. interestingly with more load, thus with more downforce relaxation length should actually even increase, but with increased level of grip... hmm maybe it could make a car launch like this into circular acceleration aka making a turn. I would suppose that perhaps this is even more of precission problem, it looks damn weird to have such a sudden flick and keep the precission. It is equally strange that you are able to keep the rear tires planted when doing this. At great speed relaxation length is going to be less noticeable, but tire should still roll a bit before reaching its 100% cornering force, not the opposite way like it is mentioned to be happening in iR in the video. Moreover, rear tires turns tiny bit later, and they also has to roll a bit before developing full cornering force. That should spoil up precssion at such instant inputs. Not to mention that rear end inertia effect, yaw moment should be significant to rotate the car as fronts bites so instantly and makes it rotate, rear tires should be working like mad in such case, perhaps even having no chance with car like this.

this changes everything about my driving, holy heck, time to farm irating

I don't think you are wrong about this general issue. But I think you are wrong about one thing here when you show examples of real life and iracing tank slappers. Well of course I don't have to say that footage from real life of Gordon Smileys accident looks relaistic, but the iRacing footage with tank slapper example sure does, and that is something what rarely happens in other simracing titles, unless you sleep behind the wheel. It happens not because front end bite, not at all, front and always has grip, because that it is possible to keep oversteer under control without spinning out around center of gravity of the car. What bites in this case is rear tire. And when you say "the moment front tires change direction" you are incorrect, they always had the direction, but rear tires changed direction as soon as they managed to grip up, and that happened fast, forcing driver to countersteer super fast. It makes sense for rear tires to grip up so fast if slip curve at given small slip angle range changes a lot. In general I think most other simulation titles are missing tankslappers, because they are just never an issue, almost like if self alignment torque is always guaranteed to avoid a tanklsapper. But obviously IRL it is not always a case, obviously not so rarely the moment rear tires grips up is faster than self aligning of the wheels, and for a moment "car thinks" that it is making a turn instead of being saved from oversteer, or something like that. That obviously is the most likely to happen during high oversteer angles, when you have to countersteer significanly more. But real life material shows that it happens a lot.

Fascinating. Although I guess if I was in iRacing it would more be frustrating!

I'm really curious to try this with proper road racing cars. I wonder now much of this is Iracing borked tire model and now much is setup? Next time, give this a shot with the Skip Barber. It's the only car on the new tire model

People who learn to drive fast on iR will end up killing themselves out there.

@russellcraven251

4 жыл бұрын

Or some innocent sob.

Indeed looks silly. That should instead trigger a massive understeer effect, then you end up going straight into the nearest wall if you were to do that in real with most types of cars. Even F1 drivers need to be smoother.

Do you think this works on downforce cars as well, albeit not as prevalent as non downforce cars?

@Wium43

4 жыл бұрын

Probably, it's the same tire properties all around. I wonder if the pros know already.

@DriverSports

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wium43 You can watch every pro series race live, with multiple, long onboard shots. If it were that effective they would all be doing it, all of the time.

Also. look at usual driving. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p62O2bJvddOuiJs.html and how iceracing, also drives with no problem....its nonsense. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnqpucNym8ivYM4.html and a dude with such steering mimicked in the second video, was 1place....

"Sanctioned races, licensed cars and tracks, and hyper realistic physics modeling instantly"... well

I've lost track of how many state of the art tire models they have released.Recently they announced a new better damage model.Maybe spend a little time on there tire model..a few PC2 cars might help understand the concept.

@IDVoter

4 жыл бұрын

They have a fully functional tire model that DK refuses to release. I wouldn't hold your breath. He wants it to be HIS model 100% He refuses to use a half bake which is 1000% better than the garbage we have now.

I guess I don't really see the point. Like... you're changing your input. And... trying to prove something happens without... actual evidence it doesn't happen? There have been examples of times in the past where iRacing managed to figure out that things happen that we don't even know happens irl, and the example was a completely different car. Just... seems like an over reaction and nitpicky thing? Like there's so many more exploits that are readily available that this hardly matters, and almost every sim has these. So it just feels like.... The sim racing definition of first world problem? Like if it helps them fix a problem, awesome. If not... did any of this matter? Like.... it's really funny seeing how excited ya'll are to be like "iRacing is so shit" and it's like... what does it matter? I personally find ACC and rFactor 2 to have some horrible physics but I don't blame people for liking them. rF2 also has some features I wish iRacing had, and I still sometimes goof off in everything. Just feels... pointless in the end. Like arguing between PS4 and Xbox One. No one really cares in the end. We're all nerds for playing racing sims.

@AustinOgonoski

4 жыл бұрын

The point of this video is pretty simple. There are a fair bit of sim racers who are quite talented in other sims, but whenever they come to iRacing, they end up losing a lot of their pace and they don't really understand why because the cars don't feel quite right, but they can't put their finger on what's happening. This can help show them the... erm... unique driving style required to gain some of their pace back. Some people choose to laugh, because it's indeed quite funny that *this* is the simulator talked about on every single NASCAR broadcast, but I went from qualifying w/ a time of 51.5 in one session, to hitting a 50.1 in practice (a gain of 1.5 seconds!) and then landing the pole + winning in the very next race by doing exactly this. It's the closest thing to being a cheat without actually cheating and I feel like more people should know. Especially if you're hyper-competitive like I am and don't particularly enjoy losing a race without knowing the reasons why.

@yz249

4 жыл бұрын

Iracing fanboys lmao. I'm curious as to how you manage to miss the point of this video by that much.

@JerOutlaw

Жыл бұрын

@@yz249 maybe if there grip flick exploit for comments he wouldn’t have missed 😢

Oh well, Fors, in your example, is not "correcting". He hits the wall with his steering hard right. Yes, if you steer right a wall will say hi. Also, downhill: major compression. Come on, you're better than this?

@dustinjames1268

4 жыл бұрын

When the back end slides to the right, you steer to the right. This causes you to slide in a controlled way. If you overcorrected like you're suggesting, it would continue to fishtail, not just rocket into the wall. The tires had nowhere near enough grip to move the car like that. It's just not possible. Stop trying to act smart when you don't even know what oversteer is you dunce

Man, don't use NASCAR cars on road, try with a GT3 or GTE and let's see if you can make it to top10 xD (sure you won't)

@saettasaettante6258

4 жыл бұрын

How the fuck did you miss the point of the video by this much?

@berserkerx7

4 жыл бұрын

@@saettasaettante6258 That is a valid point. On a road circuit GT3cars are a much better comparison. Faster road drivers and thus easier to know if this is an exploit or normal behavior. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hY1_o9KjiNHRdMo.html

@GODLlKE

4 жыл бұрын

Think this dumb fuck dose not realize oggy means for this cars world record not overall lap times. Each car in iracing has its own world records. A track dose not not

@GODLlKE

4 жыл бұрын

@Devin Booth its a fixed setup car in a fixed setup default series that is in iracing series. The setup is a trampoline and not even passable as a setup a rookie would even build. They would understand it handles like dog shit

GT Sport wins again!

@Wium43

4 жыл бұрын

Not so fast lil kiddo. Wanna know how to go faster in GTS? Turn down your degs of rotation and just turn more and more, the car will find more grip magically

@bensoniusprime

4 жыл бұрын

I actually thought of GT Sport when I saw this video. There’s a similar quirk of physics in that game as well; if you watch replays of fastest laps for the weekly races you see a lot of people whip the wheel in at the turn in point to almost full lock, and do it on almost every turn. I always assumed it was the result of a physics model that was created to work with a gamepad, but it’s very similar to what is being described in the video.

I watched an iracing dev attack u for even bringing this up.... funny that now iracing drivings are incorporating this into their driving on the oval side... tire model is a joke