What if Poe's just dumb?

@patriciakayee5744

6 жыл бұрын

In a Nutshell definitely

@vasqxo-1133

5 жыл бұрын

lol true

@iiieee7645

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe😂

@leoslater7162

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@odette4798

5 жыл бұрын

Ya thats my theory

I have a theory that Mr Poe has something called prosopagnosia (the inability to recognize faces) so when he talks to people he uses "identifiers" things like spikey blue hair or something like that. So he has identifiers for everyone including Olaf and his group. Did you realize (especially in the later episodes) that Mr Poe is only convinced it's Olaf if he sees the unibrow and the ankle tattoo. Idk just I little theory I came up with (if u guys are confused look up prosopagnosia)

@sallymorrison4912

6 жыл бұрын

Wow awesome theory

@cecilie5493

6 жыл бұрын

Bethany Norton could you please not talk like that?

@sallymorrison4912

6 жыл бұрын

Ik you should report it

@fergal8130

6 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%.

@austinholt8987

6 жыл бұрын

Bit far fetched but I still like it

I was so upset when Olivia died😭🤧

@cxtieritsu

6 жыл бұрын

Me too I almost cried

@aaliyahelise3804

6 жыл бұрын

Me to😭😭😭😭

@rebekahsadie

6 жыл бұрын

SAME

@Karenylewellyn

5 жыл бұрын

Me tooo I legit screamed

@L-sillybrained

5 жыл бұрын

I cried

The question is, how did Po gain his cough, from starting a fire maybe, from helping Olaf to start a fire

@jovibr

4 жыл бұрын

Based on the numerous references Daniel Handler offers us, I still prefer to think that it was another nod towards Edgar Allan Poe, who also had a nasty cough and probably died of tuberculosis.

@imsamsausages8594

4 жыл бұрын

It's Because He Went To The Baudilair Mansion As It Was In The Final Stages Of Burning Down

@zackaryk1434

4 жыл бұрын

keenan dodds Poe*

@gabbieer7864

4 жыл бұрын

2 years late but it's just a reference to Edgar Allen Poe and also a metaphor on how he can't even take care of his well being let alone a child's.

@Capa6

4 жыл бұрын

Ew Rats ohhhh, that makes so much sense

This is completely irrelevant, but I just find it funny that at the end of The Miserable Mill part 2, Olaf says he works better alone once Dr Orwell dies, and yet he takes Esmé as his girlfriend.

@zenaidaviodor1807

5 жыл бұрын

And them they left him

@emiliadelglo

3 жыл бұрын

Typical "dont want to be your boyfriend" response

@sophiehale1171

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@RLclips_.

3 жыл бұрын

he was using her

@annonymous6827

Жыл бұрын

Misery loves company

But all of the adults in the show are like this. They are all oblivious to Olaf, and it's because of Lemony Snicket's unreliable narration and the sharp erudite acumen shared by all VFD members including Violet, Klaus, and Sunny.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

True, but you have to say that Poe is by far the most, because he's been fooled by the same situation time and time again

@radiish1122

6 жыл бұрын

hey The Theorizer can you do a video on this show please?

@TheTheorizer

6 жыл бұрын

FazeBigSmoke That's why I said "Sharp Erudite Acumen" and the over exaggerations are due to Lemony's narration.

@Jprager

6 жыл бұрын

The Theorizer this theory actually becomes a very pivotal topic in Book 12, Penultimate Peril, not to spoil anything but the next time Poe encounters the Beaudrlaires as well as a few other past characters this idea puts the question up as to who is good and who is evil?

@THATRACCOONDUDE

6 жыл бұрын

The Theorizer well the adults never saw the henchmen they keep going to different places

Olivia Caliban was my favourite character :(

@markcasadevall9509

6 жыл бұрын

Donnie Trump and im orange and pink she didn’t deserve to die

@demondollee

6 жыл бұрын

Donnie Trump and im orange and pink She really pissed me off. There was literally no reason for her to be there and she just causes a lot of plot holes.

@reddeadredemption6715

6 жыл бұрын

Mark Casadevall ikr

@KaitheKnightly

6 жыл бұрын

Donnie Trump and im orange and pink If you take her initials from her first and last name. It's O.C. Like Original Character. I think that's a funny little meta joke on writers side of things. :)

@patriciakayee5744

6 жыл бұрын

Donnie Trump and im orange and pink yes definitely

Also, once the Baudelaire family is wiped out, the bank could seize the fortune, delivering it into Poe’s hands. So the entire process would have been technically legal, so the authorities wouldn’t bat an eye.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Right- it's the PERFECT scenario for Poe!

@pauligrasso8912

3 жыл бұрын

@Luna Lovegood Luna Lovegood holy shit-

The thing is, most of what you said about Poe can apply to most of the adults in the show. That's Snicket's whole point - the Beaudalaires have to save themselves because the adults are mostly oblivious/uncaring about obvious harm they are enduring.

@sabhyata2655

6 жыл бұрын

Mikayla Eckel Cifrese It is BAUDELAIRES

@thangle6164

6 жыл бұрын

Mikayla Eckel Cifrese You don't see him replying to the correct comments.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Mikayla Eckel Cifrese Obviously all of the adults are oblivious in the show, and that's one of the main points in it- I stated that towards the beginning of the video. But while most of them are new to the "unfortunate" situation, Poe is the only one that isn't, making him MUCH more suspicious. Most of the adults don't have any idea what's going on, but Poe knows EXACTLY what's going on- he's been through it so many times now.

@K9Fyre

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel which just serves to continuously prove that Poe is oblivious. Trying to assume that any of the adult characters could actually understand what’s going on or learn from experience is never going to be valid, because they are all inherently incompetent. Any evidence would have to be accompanied by an example of Poe show signs of intelligence.

@Lucky10279

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel the other adults don't have to know the details to see that something is VERY wrong. I mean everyone was even okay with innocent people being thrown into a pit of wild animals for entertainment. No one even thought to call the police. They weren't even bothered. This is just one example that shows that, at least from Snicket's perspective, almost ALL the adults just don't care enough about children (or strangers) to be bothered to realize something is very wrong. Most of them wouldn't care if they did. Im not convinced that there's anything particularly evil about Poe. There COULD be, but there isn't enough evidence to convince me. If he existed in the real world, your theory would almost certainly be true, but the universe he exists in is very different.

So many secrets... such as in season one in the first episode, snicket says "nor the official fire department or the Volunteer Fire Department..." get it? S2 spoilers IN THE FIRST EPISODE.

@freshbeans2

4 жыл бұрын

DoomaWhat well no one will even remember Snicket saying that.

This theory reminds me of how nobody suspected poor professor Quirrell

@kylieeee3882

3 жыл бұрын

Pppoor ssstuttering pprofessor quirrell 🤣

Orrrr... the reason Mr. Poe is so oblivious is because he’s an optimistic person. He could be optimistic because he has a medical condition in which his coughing could be something much worse than just a cough and he’s trying to live out the rest of his life as someone who sees the good in people.

@nancyjohnson7147

6 жыл бұрын

Danielle mr. Poe has consumption his sons edgar and allen relate him tok edgar allen poes whos wife or sister (I can't remiber) died of consumption (I.e tuborculoses)

@theamazing_jam4007

5 жыл бұрын

But... The book says that he coughs instead of speaking in awkward moments

@freshbeans2

4 жыл бұрын

I’m just gonna leave the likes at 69...

@jianyonis

3 жыл бұрын

Or he could just be an idiot? 🤷

@User-tu6hi

3 жыл бұрын

Actually the cough is just a metaphor meaning mr.po isn’t strong enough to take care of himself so he isn’t strong enough to watch over or handle the boundaries.

cannot wait for season 3

@brr5981

6 жыл бұрын

SonnyTakab same

@estefanireyes3466

6 жыл бұрын

Same

@tggg9972

6 жыл бұрын

SonnyTakab I can’t wait for his vase to be fixed

@ldog1232

6 жыл бұрын

Same!!!

@hyperman581

6 жыл бұрын

SonnyTakab me to

Person: Yeah, I love a Series Of Unfortanate Events! Me: Have you read the books? Person: Wait, theres a book series? Me: Also a movie Also me: But the movie sucks Person: Oh...

@haileyjones1070

6 жыл бұрын

Twiztids Chick i have watched the movie (it was ok them trying to cram all 4 books into a movie is a little far fetched but it did good trying to do that ig) I have watched the show(I LOVE IT SUFHEKCKC) and the books(JENDJFLDOVOEIVYTV)

@anthonythomas487

6 жыл бұрын

To consider yourself an “expert” you would have to read the books and watch the tv series. You do not have to read the books or watch the movie to like the tv series. Also if you are planning to watch the movie, don’t. They crammed 4 books into one movie and they completely removed VFD from it.

@kez7732

6 жыл бұрын

Anthony Thomas i agree expect at the very end of the movie in the ruins of the house , if u look carefully there are some papers saying VFD.. And there are only 3 books crammed in- also, Twitzids Chick said that the person says they like a series of unfortunate events in general, not the actual show. Therefore she is right. Actually, I guess I kinda DONT agree. (No hate or anything rude)

@rachellewis4751

5 жыл бұрын

@Yareli Sandoval its like twenty one pilots.... Fake fans near.

@L-sillybrained

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

I disagree My theory is Mr. Poe is actually a part of VFD(The good side) and he is there as a guardian. My evidence is obviously his obliviousness is an act, as you already stated. But, before every time the Beaudalaires are in a near death situation he shows up as if he was there to help or observe as if he's seeing if they're worthy of being a part of the Secret Organization(VFD). Like the whole series is a test. Poe may know where the children's mother is and is trying to make sure they're ready to join the organization before they see her. To add on, his secretary seems to be an active member of the Secret Organization, as if she might not even know he's behind it. Like his collaboration is secret. And ti finish this off, you finished your video talking about his cough as a sign he's lying, I think that might be because he's lying about who he is and the fact that their parents are dead. In fact, if you watch it over again, you'll see everytime he brings up their dead parents or refer to them as orphans. he coughs. But I like the points you make! That's just a little theory I have!

@jill5676

5 жыл бұрын

interesting idea- but if you read the book's, you'll find that he's nothing more than an instrument used by Lemony Snicket (aka Daniel Handler) to develop the plot

@reeznevhater

5 жыл бұрын

Caroline Gaskill I really hope so, especially with that loose ending in the books.

@reeznevhater

5 жыл бұрын

Jill Glatt Yeah, but the show has and probably will add twists to it.

@josephineliebman5839

5 жыл бұрын

Jill Glat I agree. Other people, this is a Good theory but as a person who has read all the books, it’s not true. I like it tho.

@sha1474

5 жыл бұрын

Caroline Gaskill That might be true, BUT Olaf would know that he is in VFD because before the opera Olaf was on the good side of VFD.

Maybe it’s the cough, maybe it’s because he has a disease affecting his brain or his eyesight is going bad from it (hence being fooled every time)

@HallaDarVemArDu

6 жыл бұрын

Dromeda W. - READ THE BOOKS. It’s not hard and you won’t sound so damn stupid

@Lady_dromeda

6 жыл бұрын

Bethany Norton I have read the books, and I don’t understand why you’re being rude.

@lucas10rodrigues

6 жыл бұрын

Bethany Norton She’s not stupid because she hadn’t read the books. You are. She was just trying to think about the story. That’s importante, there’s not only one kind of knowledge. I’m sorry, idiot

⚠️ SPOILER WARNING ⚠️ I’ve read all the 13(or 14 because of fourteenth chapter/end of book 13)Mr.Poe is not a villain and is only used for humor and only VFD members(violet Klaus and sunny + others) only really know what’s going on due to the fact that Olaf used to be a VFD member himself. You guys are probably thinking ...well the books and show aren’t the same....but if Mr.Poe is a villain it would change the whole story plot. :)

@themimicchannel6166

4 жыл бұрын

this isnt about whats revealed. its about whats behind the scenes. Ive read the books too but it doesnt have to be revealed to the main characters to be interwoven in the plot. thats the whole point of this video

@marcthomas4488

4 жыл бұрын

What of the "woman with hair" who claims outright "Mr Poe, who was one of our associates all along" during her duel with ???

I kinda have a theory. It might not be correct I have only read 3 books from asoue so I don't know if this is shut down but is it possible that you have to be an orphan to be a Volunteer? I think this is kinda shown by the fact that Violet, Klaus and Sunny never go to their grandparents. Even after their guardians die they are sent to a school not their blood relatives. This seems odd to me because it's the same with Duncan and Isadora. Also I can't remember who it was but someone mentioned that Violet and Klaus should have started their training long ago. So why didn't they? I think that their parents wanted to believe that they wouldn't die for a long time. They hoped they would never leave their children. This is the same with the Quagmires. Their parents don't decide to tell them until they are away from them for a long time and they realize they might leave their children at some point. Then in the school when Olaf asks if there are any orphans Olivia stands up. I know that this isn't why she is a volunteer but it's curious that there are now five volunteers that probably don't have parents. This also could explain why Olaf is so bad. He didn't have parents to teach him right and wrong which started him down a dark path. And isn't it a bit curious that three siblings ended up doing the same thing? Kit, Jacques and Lemony all end up in the same job. Even people with family business don't end up doing the same thing. There were the Snicket fires because Olaf went after that fortune first. This means they probably lost their parents since their mother is never mentioned and nothing is known of their father. So that's eight volunteers who are probably orphans (nine if you count Olaf. :) ).

@frostedflicks3311

6 жыл бұрын

Omg

@TeddyLeitner

6 жыл бұрын

No, Olaf joined VFD as a child, according to ATWQ, and his parents died while he was in adulthood

@tmills5608

6 жыл бұрын

Wow. Cool

@nikolasdean1645

6 жыл бұрын

VFD kidnaps you as a child, with parental permission, usually if your parents are volunteers as it is.

@likeabunnie

6 жыл бұрын

Turtlefish Bubbles I'm not knowledgeable enough to know, but REALLY GREAT THEORY! it's at least an interesting similarity!

I have a theory that connects to this one. I think that Mr.Poe AND his wife are after the Baudelaire fortune. In one episode, you can see a figure in a car with a very big hat lighting the Quagmire's mansion on fire with a laser. I believe that that was Eleanora (Mr.Poe's wife) lighting the fire. In some episodes, you can see her wearing fashionable hats like the figure in the car. I think that Mr.Poe lighted the Baudelaire mansion on fire. That's why he has that horrible cough and he tries to hide it. In the Heimlich Hospital, one of the VFD volunteers asked him to "go check out that cough". Then he says "what cough?". He lighted the fire to get a promotion that he loves so much. And Eleanora lit it on fire so she can get a story to write. And the money too

@Disneylover2975

2 жыл бұрын

I originally thought the Quagmire fire was started by Esme because of that hat but that was disprove. In the carnivores carnival episode the Baudelaire's watch a film about VFD and the case of disguises one of them is an arsonist disguise where Gustav is wearing the same hat. As was shown in the car near the Quagmire house.

@nafisamusah7085

Жыл бұрын

I think so too.

I agree and have more to add on You see at the song at end mr Poe sang with a smile and I felt like he was aware of the bad things but he musts their fortune to himself as well but maybe it's his dumb idiotic personality

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ryel.7022

5 жыл бұрын

But it was sung with a smile even olaf looked deppressed. This leads me to believe that the song is tied to vfd like a song to an ex for old members. Poe sings alone a car radio, hapily. So it's a popular song. With the kids singing it, i think it's a song that their parents sung but now see a hidden meaning.

Ok so, remember Klaus's teacher at Prufrock? Well on the chalk board behind her, have hints and things we have seen and things we haven't on there. Things we will see in future seasons and things we have seen in last seasons. For some reason she was very very interested in Mulctuary Money Management and it seemed that she was interested in the Baudelaire Fortune. Then in The Carnivorous Carnival, we saw her in the audience with a bag of money right before the Baudelaires were supposed to go into that hole with the lions. She must have stole the money and Mr. Poe had to have helped her. And also i believe that Mr. Poe is in the V.F.D. If you look him up, it says, killed by a harpoon gun (possibly) or Hotel Denouement fire (possibly). So... Yep i think hes against the Baudelaires. And its insane that he gets "fooled" like that multiple times which is why i think you are very correct.

@alyissaaragon6943

6 жыл бұрын

The harpoon gun missed mr. Poe and hit someone else, we don't learn of anyone either perishing or surviving the hotel fire. Mr. Poe was at the hotel investigating the bank robbery during the time and Ms Bass was coincidentally staying there with the stolen loot.

@niyahh7154

6 жыл бұрын

Alyissa Aragon Oh yea😶

@rileyheasman200

5 жыл бұрын

The person's name is Dewey Denouement and the Baudelaires accidentally killed him because the harpoon gun slipped out of Klauses grip and shot a harpoon right into Dewey's stomach, he walks towards the reflecting pond and splashes into it slowly drowning in the cold water with a secret library hidden underneath.

So Season 3 just came out, is EXCELLENT, and contains a lot more evidence that supports this theory.... Watch PART 2 NOW! kzread.info/dash/bejne/qIxptLKKm5jFhdI.html

@elitusyeetus2032

5 жыл бұрын

Let's Think! Is? Don’t you mean it’s

@Zzzurii

5 жыл бұрын

I could believe this. Especially with his wife being so fraudulent herself

@petervrg3300

5 жыл бұрын

In season 3 Before the kids go with Kit Mr. Poe suggests that he should adopt the kids. I think his plan is he is going to wait until Violet is 18 then kill them all. He would be a Very Faultfinding Dad

@Archway-9

5 жыл бұрын

He could be working for the man with a beard but no hair and the woman with hair but no hair

When he says “more evidence for this theory” a Wells Fargo commercial came on and I thought that the commercial was the evidence

@pulguitalamasveloz1034

5 жыл бұрын

Natsuki Doki Doki literature club lmao

I have a little theory in a theory. His wife works for the newspaper and can influence the public eye like declaring Count Olaf as dead and making the Baudelaires murderers. What if he had her write Count Olaf as dead so if he catches the Baudelaires, then Count Olaf cannot get the money. The same thing would happen if Olaf catches them. If Olaf finds a way to go around his death, the children are criminals and might not be able to get their money. I am not sure about the law and if criminals can still get their money once they've commited a crime. Also, who is the only person that could have given the information to Mrs Poe? Mr Poe.

@shallisha3908

6 жыл бұрын

Also, why would Poe be going to all of the events with the children after they are seen as murderers.

@miavictoria9058

6 жыл бұрын

I think it's Mrs Poe xxxx

@likeabunnie

6 жыл бұрын

Good points! I kept thinking that Mrs. Poe is just as sadistic and... She's not oblivious, she's all about finding out what's happening for the newspaper... But she definately doesn't seem to EVER show any real concern for the kids... Maybe to reinforce the plot of adults that don't help, I'm trying to think... I thought the Poe's had a kid? Henry Jr? I think he mentioned him in the... Little town where everyone was their guardian (I can't recall the name)... Now I have to look back at the beginning... Cause they BOTH met up with each other and were like, "oh, hey, hun, what are you doing here?... I'm here for work!... Me too!... Bummer, we could have carpooled!"... If it's a current baby and not just talking about a future kid... Then this family is even more messed up...

@zorab.4065

6 жыл бұрын

likeabunnie in the first episode in the Netflix series he has two sons edger and Albert.

@nandinishah1709

6 жыл бұрын

shallisha yeah but Mrs.Poe isn't even in the books. She's mostly just in the first book. Even Mr Poe isn't that important. Both have been given big roles in the Netflix series. Also Mr.Poe is supposed to be oblivious, and too crazy to be legit is literally the summary of the books.

If Poe wanted the fortune wouldn't he steal it from where he works?

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

It would be totally breaking the law, as the fortune belongs to the Baudelaire's, but if Olaf kills the children, Poe could totally make the case that HE should inherit their fortune

@YarnStore

6 жыл бұрын

If people cared about enforcing the law Olaf would be captured by episode 2.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

But if you look at the show as a whole, people actually DO care about enforcing the law, especially in the Vile Village and the Hostile Hospital. They're just do stupid to realize what's actually going on, and so they never get Olaf...

@thangle6164

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel But olaf isn't going to kill the children as he needs them to get the fortune. You're right they are too stupid to realize and Mr. Poe is one of those people.

@daeseongkim93

6 жыл бұрын

YarnStore Yeah, I'm sure the real person to steal the Baudelaire fortune is Ms. Bass

Oh yeah and u should do a theory about the sugar bowl to hold us over for the next season! (Uggghh so long)

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Video on that is probably coming in July

@guesswho2558

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel OK thank you!!

@fletcherlucas7908

6 жыл бұрын

I think I know what the sugar bowl is: horseradish. Medusoid Mycelium is a fungus that has killed people in the later books and the only thing to stop the fungus is horseradish (or wasabi). More evidence to show this is the quote, "tea should be bitter as wormwood and as sharp as a two-edged sword" -V.F.D proverb. In the Reptile Room, Lemony Snicket notes that due to horseradish factories on Lousy Lane, the air smells bitter. People put sugar in their tea that they might get from a bowl of sugar, and horseradish could be put in the bowl instead to cure someone from Medusoid Mycelium.

@sallymorrison4912

6 жыл бұрын

Guess Who Just read the books!

@c.eb.1216

6 жыл бұрын

Well, it's something that's in the sugar bowl, and since you can buy wasabi in any grocery store, it's probably not that. A key? A secret? Who knows, but Esme calls claim to it.

There was also a part in season 2 where someone mentioned Mr. Poe's cough, and he replied with, "what cough?" Very, very suspicious.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

You know, I actually had that in the script, but edited it out when recording just due to length... But yes, it shows how he isn't even AWARE that he's doing it, which is a significant sign of lying

I agree that Arthur might work for Olaf because Jaquelyn, Arthur Poe's secretary, keeps staring at him just like she does when Olaf is disguised as Yessica Haircut. This dosnt mean that Arthur works for Olaf, but it could give a hidden message since Jaquelyn is a member if the VFD. One more thing.... What about that Tattoo of the eye on people's ankles?! It is only given to the members of the VFD. Lemony, Olaf and Jacques have it. What about the women in VFD?! Is the tattoo only for males or something?! The Quagmire's father is also a VFD member but he is never shown having the tattoo.

@Esgles

6 жыл бұрын

That is explained in the books. After VFD split into fire starting and the protecting side, the tattoo was no longer used since now, at least one man who has the tattoo is evil, has no regard for life and cares about no one but himself. So, the tattoo is not used to avoid confusion between fire starters and the real VFD. Which is why later VFD members don't have it. It's possible Monty has one but, we don't get to see his ankle.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

It's because of the Schism

@marisavelazquez5721

6 жыл бұрын

idiotlimrocks2 ohhhh I didn’t get that at first because I haven’t finished the series of books thanks!

@Esgles

6 жыл бұрын

Marisa Velazquez Welcome

@xordigital7782

6 жыл бұрын

(Also Jacques)

A neat concept, and if written well it could be absolutely brilliant, but I disagree. One of the central themes of the show is the obliviousness of adults to the kids plight, and Poe is the avatar of this concept. While it is true that he has seen Olaf's plots fail numerous times, and finally realized the truth in these circumstances, he is the only non villain or non VFD member/descendant to appear in multiple chapters. Even Uncle Monty and Aunt Josephine couldn't see through Olaf's disguises, and they had both known him for many years as well as his villainous nature. More to the point the whole society in this show is a dark satire of our own. The whole student body in the Austiere Academy are happy to ridicule orphans of any kind, the townies of the Erzsat Elivator abandon anything the media considers unpopular, the villagers of the Vile Village are extatic to burn children with hardly any proof, everyone in the crowd of the Horrible Hospital is thrilled to watch a decapitation, and members of the audience of the Carnivorous Carnival bring their children to witness the entertainment of lions devouring a person... But they're freaks so it maybe ok in their world. The point I'm trying to make is that this show takes place in a dark and satiracle reflection of our own reality, one that takes face value as fact more often then not and loves taking part in the dark and macabre. Poe is the perfect representation of this distopia, a world that is blind, uncaring, cruel, or all of the above twords the plight of the Baudelaire orphans. You presented a great theory and backed it up quite well, but in the end I think it goes against the underlying narrative of the world the show exists in. In the end we'll have to wait and see what is in store for season 3. Cheers, and thanks for a thought provoking theory.

@nehagrewal5636

6 жыл бұрын

Miles Johnson O'Dowd uncle Monty was able to see through his disguise he wanted to capture count Olaf because he thought count Olaf would escape before the police showed up

@annstewart8876

5 жыл бұрын

Actually uncle Monty did see through the disguise and was killed for it 👀

@ULTIMATZEKROM

8 ай бұрын

@@annstewart8876 Yeah, but he didn't see Stephano as Olaf, he saw Stephano as a spy for the Herpetological Society

3:00 Yea, but the show did make many jokes as well, such as in “Bad Beginning part 2”, Count Olaf says that he bought a hourglass online despite the shows setting to be sometime during the 60s-70s because we see many old technologies and cars. And in “Reptile Room”, Stefano bring up online streaming services.

R.I.P Olivia and Jacque

@juliannaemeigh9426

5 жыл бұрын

R.I.P. Kit and Larry your waiter

It could be speculated that count Olaf really is just a master of disguises. None of the other adults, even ones who have a history of count Olaf like the male guardian from the elevator episode, are able to see through his disguises. This can be supported by the fact Olaf was a part of VFD who all seem quite extraordinary and so he does have a logical reason why he is so great at disguises. This does also beg the question as to why the orphans easily see through his disguises, but I actually have two theories of my own for this: 1. Poe was right, they ARE too suspicious. Even though Poe seems stupid, he may have actually been correct when he said they think too many people are Count Olaf in disguise, and so maybe the Baudelaires actually are too suspicious and are constantly on the lookout for count Olaf. But this is a good thing as count Olaf does keep constantly coming after them so this works in their favor, but after the traumatizing events they've experienced they are constantly afraid count Olaf will come back so the fact that they actively LOOKING for count Olaf is why they can see through his disguises. That's why the librarian recognizedhim, she was actively on the lookout for him. 2. Everyone has a justification for why they can’t see through count Olafs disguises. The guardian from the elevator episode hadn’t seen him for years and years. The principal from the austere academy either cannot remember or simply never personally met him. The children from the academy don't care enough to consider whether he is count Olaf. Montgomery Montgomery was on the lookout for the wrong people, so he realized count Olaf made him suspicious but instead of connecting it to someone he hasn’t seen in years and has no reason to remember he connected it to a current threat in his life. The annoying lady guardian probably has done her best to forget Olaf, and with his henchmen all saying it was someone else she just couldn't connect the dots. Lastly, the one other person that wasn't a Baudelaire but recognized him was the librarian, who WAS on the lookout for him, but the fact is that Olaf showed up with his henchmen and did not even attempt to hide his identity, so it was pretty easy. The only person who has no obvious reason not to recognize him is Mr. Poe, who could either be doing what you said in this theory or could maybe just be mentally handicap. That's all I have to say for now.

@patriciakayee5744

6 жыл бұрын

Tevin Sparrow 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

@alyissaaragon6943

6 жыл бұрын

The children recognize his voice and his shiny eyes, and the way he always appears to look like he's telling a joke, those are the identifiers the kids use in the books

@tevinanarchy774

6 жыл бұрын

Alyissa Aragon that wouldn't explain why everyone else can't recognize him.

@alyissaaragon6943

6 жыл бұрын

Tevin Sparrow In the carnivorous carnival, madam Lulu explains that you only have to do a few things to fool the people around you into falling for your disguise, there are three phases of V.F.D disguise training: veiled facial disguises, various finery disguises, and voice fakery disguises. Member and former members of the VFD all have disguise kits and all disguise themselves all the time.

@alyissaaragon6943

6 жыл бұрын

Page 156

Well mr Poe barely sees the henchmen he only sees Olof in different costumes

I am assuming that you haven't read the books.

@cxtieritsu

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah probably

@abbielovesbutter6229

6 жыл бұрын

The books are slightly different cannon to the series. For example at the end of the wide window in the show the Boudalaires run away to the mill, but in the books they get sent there. So even if this theory isn't cannon to the books, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's impossible to happen in the series

@anthonythomas487

6 жыл бұрын

I know! No offense, but he should probably read the books before he creates a theory.

@Inverted_

4 жыл бұрын

this is a theory based off the show

"I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw." This quote from Shakespeare's play "Hamlet" explains that Hamlet is feigning madness. There are other references to Shakespeare in A Series of Unfortunate Events (such as Alonso from "The Tempest" in the final episode), so perhaps Poe is a character inspired by Hamlet.

I used to get so mad every time he appeared in the show. Once he pops up I’m just like “omg nooo go away, you never know what’s going onnn” literally me screaming at my tv 💀

you realize these are alll based on books right? a book series that's been complete for years.

@ahmednahra4256

6 жыл бұрын

Jace Miller uhh no shit😕

Let me add on to your theory... I theorize that the reason Po coughs is because he started a FIRE!! Maybe he breathed in some ash. What if he 'was' working with Olaf and Olaf doesn't care because he thinks Po is oblivious. What if he (Po) started the fire and breathed in the ash. Buuut its just a theory.

I love all the tiny subplots going on, but one of my favorites is Mrs. Bass's robbing of Mulctuary Money Management. Mrs. Bass: What are the dimensions of the vault at Mulctuary Money Management? Also Mrs. Bass: In prison for bank robbery.

I think there is another piece of evidence that supports the theory. Poe's wife is the reporter for the newspaper who has been following the Baudelaire orphans, and I think she is in on Poe's scheme. She reported on Olaf's death in the Vile Village when it was Jacques that was killed; it could be a conscious act to publish it, which would make it strange for the Baudelaire fortune to be transferred over to a 'dead' person. This could be seen as another way to avoid Olaf receiving the fortune and for Poe to take it himself. Also, in the Ersatz Elevator, she was dancing along to Olaf's performance of "Keep chasing your schemes" while disguised as Gunther; again, something that could be a note of a deeper scheme

SHES NOT 'NEW' SHES KIT SNICKET!!!!!!!

@najmasheikh8770

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

Why don’t you read the books to figure it out?

@courtneymichelle5746

6 жыл бұрын

Omer Inbar The series and books don’t all have the same plot. the author adds some things into the series that aren’t in the book.

@K9Fyre

6 жыл бұрын

Courtney Michelle aside from a few things omitted from the series for pacing purposes and giving extra background on a few characters (Olivia) the series has been pretty faithful to the books.

@courtneymichelle5746

6 жыл бұрын

K9 Fyre Yeah but not entirely which is what I said. They show is based off the books but they aren’t 100% the same. Therefore the show might have things to theorize about that aren’t in the books and vice versa

@keithhill6239

6 жыл бұрын

The books dont answer anything either. leave it all open for interpertation

I was actually just thinking about this same theory recently, having just finished season 2, but I couldn't have gone as nearly in depth as you did TTC. Well done indeed!

The perfect ad popped up in the middle of this video about how “Will always finds a way” Right when you were talking about how mr. Poe could be the second villain

why is your writing style and editing almost identical to theorizer? Come on man, create your own style, your vids are interesting but I feel like i'm watching theoriser.

@shanerulez79

6 жыл бұрын

Hidden Subtitles I think they’re friends or something they comment on each other’s videos

and all vfd have a defining job Olaf the actor, pasme the financial advisor, Orwell the optometrist, Jaucque the taxi driver, monty the herbitologist and Poe the banker

@patriciakayee5744

6 жыл бұрын

mr M Productions yes, but get their names right please

@RoseKawai_i

6 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget Larry your waiter

@minvi152

5 жыл бұрын

You mean Esmé the city’s 6th most important financial advisor, Georgina the Optometrist, Jacques the Taxi Driver, Montgomery the Herpetologist and Authur the Banker although I think Mr Poe isn’t a Volunteer Fire Department Member

This is so good!! You’re a great KZreadr!!

Who realized that the seasons are all focused on one big mystery? Season 1: The photograph Season 2: VFD Season 3: The sugar bowl

Well, did you ever read the books?

I was so sad when larry died oh I mean larry your waiter

I almost feel like his character being just oblivious and dim is pretty accurate and not just to mask his devious plan, the counter to his final theory of him actually being smart and having a solid plan is because throughout the entire show his plan was going very well, then near the end they had a choice to go with Kit or Mr. Poe; he didn't seem to keen in the idea of trying to convince the Baudelare's to come with him so he can watch over them instead of going with Kit. He seemed to be trying to convince them for a little bit but kind of just let them walk off instead of coming with him, if his plan was so smart and was working so well, would he have just let them walk off like that? Just a minor thought I had against the final theory because even after the burning of the V.F.D headquarters he didn't seem to care all that much and just brushed it off like not even sending out a search team for the missing children that we know of to try and secure the fortune that he have sought for so long and diligently.

This is completely off topic but, I have a whole other theory about how the skism began. THIS IS JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND I AM OPEN TO WHATEVER OTHER THEORIES THERE ARE. Because Olaf was the chief of the V.F.D son. It was not the dispute between Esme and Beatrice with the sugar bowl. It was because Olaf’s dad was in killed by the dart that was supposed to kill Esme. Olaf, because the chiefs son, would become the next chief when his dad either retired or died. Olaf saw Beatrice kill his dad and because the Baudelaires are Beatrice’s kids, he wanted to go after them. And the fire that killed, Beatrice and Bertrand, was started by Olaf to try to get revenge on Beatrice. The Quagmire children became friends with the Baudelaires so Olaf went after both of them and planned to steal their fortunes.

If he was hypnotised then he wouldn't be attempting to arrest Olaf. This also the reason why he isn't in co-hoots. He's just dumb. Anyway, if he wanted the fortune he could've just stolen it long ago, gained a false identity and disappear off the face of the earth.

@richietozier7091

6 жыл бұрын

Samuel Barber but what would happen if he ran off? He would disappear, but then an extremely rich person who looks a lot like Poe would appear. He would have been noticed and chased after. But what if all the Baudelaires died? There would be no more heirs to the fortune, so the bank would be within its rights to seize the fortune, delivering the fortune straight into Poe’s hands.

@guesswho2558

6 жыл бұрын

But if he was hypnotized then Olaf would probably want to make it look believable and you can obviously see that Poe is not really trying ver hard at arresting him.... it looks a little suspicious

@richietozier7091

6 жыл бұрын

I’m not saying Poe was hypnotized by Olaf, I’m saying that he was working with Olaf. He wanted Olaf to eliminate the orphans, so the bank could seize the fortune.

@richietozier7091

6 жыл бұрын

Which would explain why Poe isn’t trying that hard.

@thangle6164

6 жыл бұрын

Richie Tozier No, he's just dumb. The idea of the show is that the adults aren't helpful and never believe the kids. The kids have to do everything themselves.

I thought the lady at the end was Beatrice , and she mysteriously survived?

@johncaral9847

6 жыл бұрын

Bitter Sweet Hufflepuff she isn't

@all-music-stuff

6 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry I thought that too

@zeus982

6 жыл бұрын

Bitter Sweet Hufflepuff it's Kit Snicket. Says so in the credits.

@bittersweethufflepuff6519

6 жыл бұрын

Craig Perkey got it bud

@leif704

6 жыл бұрын

No………Just NO

and in season three after all the rich children’s parents burnt in fires Poe says this exact line - “think of all the orphans, think of all the fortunes.”

Fun Fact: The cough is meant to symbolize how he can’t even take care of himself, let alone three orphans

He was at the hospital because he wasn't feeling well after taking the kids to the VFD village.

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Of course he SAYS that- he needs a plausible reason for being there- but he's actually there to monitor the kids

@thangle6164

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel What's the point of him saying that to a complete stranger then?

@ZoomingInOn

6 жыл бұрын

Because he never wants to draw suspicion. There's no real plausible REASON for Poe being there to watch over the kids, as he just accused them of being murderers in the VFD village.

@thangle6164

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel How would he even know that the Baudelaires were at the hospital? It's not like he was following count Olaf. Sorry but your theory is false as Poe is supposed to represent the adults in the world that never believe children and are obvious to everything. Plus he's only Vice President so he won't get the whole fortune. If his plan is to just let the Baudelaires be killed then there's no need to deceive anyone as he isn't killing anyone. Count Olaf has to deceive people because he is actually killing people.

@Music963

6 жыл бұрын

The Theory Channel I had suspicions about Poe as well . Who is always there ,always seems to find them how does he find them? Poe seems to be the enemy you don’t “ see” or notice .

This can not be

though i do think this theory is stretching the truth quite a bit, its really well formed and has a lot of supporting evidence. very well done video!

I've always imagined Mr Poe could easily be a great and kinda likely twist villain!

Omg! Wait until the daily punctilio hear about this!

@unknowndarkthing

3 жыл бұрын

lol

It isn't scheduled for Spring 2019. Ps are you male or female?

@Lucky10279

6 жыл бұрын

YarnStore He's male.

@lydiawilson127

6 жыл бұрын

Oh do you know when it’s scheduled then?

@jadawada3682

6 жыл бұрын

Papers it’s supposed to come out before the beginning of next year because Violet and Klaus are growing too fast & they are currently filming s3

@lydiawilson127

6 жыл бұрын

JadaWada Great, thanks for replying💞

@anthonythomas487

6 жыл бұрын

They finished filming season three and I read on Snicket wiki that an official asoue instagram account said that it will arrive sometime November 2018- January 2019.

Unless they change something from the books Poe is just oblivious and he gets killed by olaf

If he is always coughing, he might have inhaled too much smoke when the Mansion was burning down if he started the fire.

ok this is a good theory but i burst out laughing when u said 'could poe be the children's biggest threat?' becuase the photo omg

I just noticed in my second viewing of the show that Snicket says the real V.F.D.'s name (volunteer fire department) in The Bad Beginning Part 2 I believe. I don't remember him doing that in the books but it's been 10 years since I've read them all.

My conspiracy is that Mr. Poe is a member of V.F.D. All members of V.F.D are orphans which is why the Baudelaire's never went with their grandparents, or even mentioned them. If someone had burned down Mr. Poe's parents house, he would be an orphan. Maybe he was in the house and escaped when it caught fire. The fire could've caused him some lung disease making him cough a lot. And yes, I am an ASOUE fanatic!

also, at the end of the second slippery slope, mr poe says; "Think of the orphans! Think of the*fortunes*!" the fortunes part seems a little bit suspicous.........

My theory: I think Mr.poe had something to do with the baudelaires parents death because he coughs a hella lot maybe Because of all the smoke of the fires that keep happening and he is always there

In my opinion, Mr. Poe is a villain, but cut from a different cloth than Count Olaf. Mr. Poe represents the system that continually fails the Baudelaires. Count Olaf is not an intelligent person, and in a perfect world would be caught with relative ease. The system that enables Count Olaf is just as, if not more responsible for the series of unfortunate events that plague the Baudelaires.

Mr. Poe is the true villain. Count Olaf is a random man who is insane taking credit for Mr Poes murders.

Season 3 came out yesterday and I screamed!!! my mom came in asking if I was dying....

I think Mr Poe’s coughing is telling us he can’t take care of his body, which means he can’t take care of the orphans. Like Danielle Handler just made him coughing as a metaphor or something

He starts coughing most often when they ask probing questions, doesn't he? I always thought that was suspicious when I read the books.

i have a theory so i think mr poe or his wife lighted the mansion on fire thats why when he told the news to the baudelaires he was coughing and if you ask "then why did he keep on coughing for the whole show" what i think might be the answer to that is that the fire affected him badly which he always needed to cough and never checked that out on a doctor because he probably didnt want to give the reason why he always coughed.

The Baudelaires were the real villains They didn't make the roast beef

Also the Daily Puntilo is in cahoots in with this, Mrs. Poe is part of it so she wants to be supported by her husband if it involves around the Baudelaires. This is why he and his wife are at the auction, the Village, the stage act at the hospital, and at the carnival.

I can't wait until 2019.

I've read the books. It says Mr. Poe is always coughing because he always has a cold. He was good friends of their parents. He stops paying attention to the children as much because he became Vice President of orphan affairs. In the vile village, he says that he doesn't agree with the idea of burning children at the stake. In the hostile hospital, he was there because he thought he had swine flu. Also even the Volunteers Fighting Disease wanted to see the cranioectomy. In the carnivorous carnival, he isn't there for the lions, he says he wants to see clowns. Poe is just optimistic. He only thinks it's count Olaf if he sees the tattoo and the one eyebrow. He could just steal the fortune because he is in charge of it. As for the song, if you had even seen the show and just heard the song randomly, you wouldn't have known that it had anything to do with the Baudelaires.

If you read the 4th book in the series(lumber mills) When Mr.Poe finds out Shirley is actually Count Olaf.All Mr.Poe did was say they were “arrested” but he did absolutely nothing and when they got away he just ...... did nothing again until Violet told him to call the Police and even lemony snicker in the book said that “Mr.Poe should have thought of it before.”

Since no one else is pointing this out, I will. At the very end of the series the man watching lemony snicket in the coffee shop is reading a newspaper and on the back we can see that Mr poe's wife is in jail. What could that mean. Maybe we shouldn't focus on Mr poe, but rather his wife. Could his wife be manipulating him and making him act the way he is?

@Gh0stAndPals

3 жыл бұрын

OH-

4 years late, but another piece of evidence would be that names have meaning in ASoUE. Ersatz Elevator, "ersatz" means 'a hollow replica'. Hotel Denouement, "denouement" means 'the final act where all plot threads come together and are resolved or explained'. Mr. Poe works at Mulctuary Money Management with the motto "Where your money is counted." "Mulctuary" means 'imposing a monetary penalty or fine', from the root word "mulct" which means 'to impose a monetary fine' or 'to obtain money by duress or fraud'. So either through incompetence, where employees like Poe are often very wrong, or malice, where employees like Poe may be working with people like Olaf, money is counted incorrectly and is shuffled up through the bureaucracy.

And now season 3 is a year away...

I was watching Nicky Ricky Dicky and Dawn one day, and an episode got me thinking. So the episode where the siblings where fighting over a dog name, and a lady came to claim it was her dog. That lady could be Aunt Josephine. One, she cared about how Dicky spelled something wrong on his card. Two, same color skin. Three, her Butler could secretly her husband. And Four, she was a little fierce. She could have been in her mansion before she moved to the house on the cliff. She probably has a different identity to hide that she and the butler are actually Aunt Josephine and her husband. There's something suspicious. Oh, and how there voices sound so similar

Theres a few problems with this theory in the fact that poe is seen helping the boudelaires in certain areas. A few examples: In the reptile room part two when the boudelaires are in the car with count Olaf to Peru, poe drives in and completely destroyed Olaf’s whole scheme. In the vile village part 2 when the town wants to burn the children mr Poe consistently says that “we can’t burn them, they’re children!” In the hostile hospital part 2 when everyone is arguing about how the boudelaires spend their time in jail, Poe says that they would only be in juvie until they come of age. Even more, mr Poe is nowhere from busy and explains how he is always ending up checking on the boudelaires. He books a helicopter flight in part 1 of the erastz elevator, and the in auction in part 2, and should I say, helps the boudelaires try to rescue their friends along the way

Okay, so like Poe in the hospital episodes has the happy balloon dude say to him something like while you're here you should look at getting that cough checked on. And he says "What cough?"

I think before the complete schism happened VFD was already facing people staring fires like POE, and in episodes like the grimy grotto you see that The good side of VFD was already ready to do things like release the Medusaiod mycelium. When they realized poe were starting so many fires they hypnotized him and made him think he was inncoent

Why are the comments still considering this theory? The show is over and we learned this wasn't true. Great video though.

In the books, nor her sister Eleanora nor Arthur recognized the code question made by a waiter once they were having breakfast, so they are not part of VFD. In the Rare Edition of the Bad Beginning, Lemony added a note saying than top hats are a great place to hide things (just when the story introduced Poe at briny beach). Then in The End Olaf says something about adoption papers hidden in the hat of a banker who had been promoted to Vice President in charge of Orphan Affairs... Mr Poe? asked Sadie. "Yes, "Olaf said "although at the time he was better known under his stage name".

Thank you for this video great work.

I think there's some truth to this, though I think it's more down to the fact that Mr. Poe cares more about his job at MMM and getting promotions than he does about the Orphans he's supposed to be taking care of (which is ironic, because taking care of them is literally a part of his job). I don't really think it's a coincidence that Poe's said multiple times that because of his job he won't be able to check on the Baudelaires, and that in part 2 of the Miserable Mill, when he laments on the Baudelaires being missing, it's not because 3 children placed in his care are missing, but because 1. he's worried about getting fired, and 2. that if the Baudelaires weren't missing, he would be getting a promotion. Sure, he's as vile as his wife, but I don't think he was in cahoots with Olaf.

Something that worries me is the Snickets recrument.In the unathorized autobiography and alwq Lemony said that he and his brothers were kidnaped while he was a baby.But at later books he talks about his grammas cookies and how his mother saved Kit while they were on a walk.How could he remember those things if he was a baby when he was kidnaped?Were his parents and family volunteers?That cant be possible because he said that while he was trained they told him to forget about them.The Snicket sleuth has made a theory about it that says that Snicket is making all this things up in his mind because he was tramatised when they took him.But also in atwq he seems obsessed with VFD and its belifees and looks totally ok with the fact that they kidnaped him.Another thing that you think is if VFD is noble after all.They souposly believe in a aristocrasy of the brave and noble but do they or are they just brainwashing there members?What if the firestarting side is the noble? We thing that they are the bad guys while in the same time we know NOTHING about them.Daniel handler needs to right more books because there are a lot of questons.

Poe as a villain on purpose may be a conspiracy theory, but Poe as a villain in general is absolutely canon

Okay, so I'm late, but also, Mr. Poe is somewhat referenced to Edgar Allen Poe, I haven't read very man of EAP's stories but of the ones that I have, there is usually one sneaky character who tricks the other? Maybe I'm crazy, but could this be something?

The coughing is actually a metaphor for how Mr Poe is not fit to take care of himself nor is he fit to take care of the Bauldilaires what also doesn't make sense about this theory is that the other people are very oblivious and Mr Poe actually would have already taken the fortune as he is incharge and ran away although this sounds stupid Mr Poe clearly shoes that he is stupid as he doesn't know the meaning of words

This is actually quite possible and I agree. There's also more evidence. In episode 4, season 1, when the incredibly deadly viper curls around Sunny, he over reacts. Like, to the point it's not even professional. I think that this fits in with this theory pretty well.

I think that the reason that mr Poe was smiling while listening to the radio was because he didn’t realize that the song was sad so he was just singing along to it happily completely oblivious to the fact that the song was depressing.

Count Olaf: *wears a hat that covers his one eyebrow and puts a bandage on his left ankle* Mr Poe: “hOw cOuLd tHaT bE cOuNt oLaF? cOuNt oLaF hAs oNe lOnG eYeBrOw aNd a tAtToO oN hIs lEfT aNkLe.”

I'm so used to theorists warping peoples' faces into evil grins and whatnot that I pretty much watched this video in sheer terror through its entirety. (First time viewer).

I don’t think that Mr. Poe was part of the VFD because many to all of the members had the “eye” tattoo on their ankle

@juliannaemeigh9426

5 жыл бұрын

Not if he joined after the schism