Forget Guilliman, I want the returned, changed Lion to catch wind of not only the Inquisition, but the deathwatch's actions here.

@Neofite

Жыл бұрын

I think if Russ or the Khan came back it would really be on

@Aloysius10

Жыл бұрын

I think the Lion is going to run the Inquisition somehow.

@gideonmele1556

Жыл бұрын

@@Aloysius10 he does like his secrets

@nikik5567

Жыл бұрын

@@gideonmele1556yes, but he also hates the way the inquisition operates since his return. He’s made it a personal charge to protect humanity, not the rotting imperium. He’s more likely to lay the inquisition out and slaughter them than to agree with them and take over. And with gulliman backing him (cuz u know gulliman would do it) I doubt many would actually attempt to stop him from doing so.

@cody1570

Жыл бұрын

What are you even saying man. Looks like your having a stroke

Kryptman was excommunicated for more than "just" Octarius" he purged hundreds more loyal worlds as to creat a fire-break for the Tyranids. His excommunication was very valid. Octarius is an enormous problem, it's not solved, the fighting is spreading, the Nids appears to be winning pt. So yes, he failed and is now hunted as a traitor.

@dezzacomari6688

Жыл бұрын

the nids have pretty much won

@adamdickinson9332

Жыл бұрын

He brought time. Time is the great enemy of the Imperium - now there are two primarchs and an army of primaris lieutenants to deal with it.

@Kristian.B.Kristiansen

Жыл бұрын

@@adamdickinson9332 true. But did he buy it at too high a price? That is the key question.

@adamdickinson9332

Жыл бұрын

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen i would argue that it was cheap. Those worlds each had the potential to become biomass for the hive fleets. Hundreds of splinter fleets branching off to hunt more and more. His tactic blocked them, denied them that biomass and brought the Imperium time to establish proper forces in the area to deal with it and handle the growing ork threat. Even if we are generous, I would imagine at least half of the world's he wiped out would have fallen any way. His method ensured no genestealer infiltrations, no splinter fleets, no massive expenditure of imperial guard troops & heavier assets. It could have been worse.

@Kristian.B.Kristiansen

Жыл бұрын

@@adamdickinson9332 it could. But even for "The most brutal regime imaginable" simply Exterminatus-ing 200+ loyal worlds preemptively was too much. That was the fabled "over the fucking line!" for both the High Lords and the Inquisititon as a hole.

The situation in the Octarius system had been drawn into a stalemate. The cordon that the Inquisition established after Kryptmans downfall, was full of holes. But to add to matters, Khorne took a brief interest in the Octarius situation. A brief appearance by a Khornate deamon army to break the dead lock, things took a turn for the worst.

@TK199999

Жыл бұрын

I thought that was final push that caused the Orks to fall and the Tyranids to win the Octarius War. Unless its being retconned or at least better fleshed out.

Forget Guilliman or even Johnson finding out about this. If the Kharn, or worse, Vulkan returned and learned of this, civil war would be absolutely certain.

@Ragnarra

8 ай бұрын

Is it bad that I would find such amusing? Vulkan full stop taking out the entire Inquisition and the fury of the Salamanders over Kryptman alongside the Lion or Guilliman or all of the above. The three brothers bringing everything to bear against the Inquisition would be something I would watch with a tub of popcorn.

@TheSniperGTO

3 күн бұрын

I think if Kharn found out he wouldn’t give a flying…and find it funny.

Nevermind gulliman, the inquisition now has to worry about *The Lion’s* wrath since he’s taken it upon himself to defend baseline humanity.

I think a confrontation between the Inquisition and The Primarchs it’s inevitable.

@darko-man8549

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the lack of such, thus far is a major failure in writing

This situation could be used as a starting point for healing the rift between the wolves and the lions. As for Gillman, I doubt he would openly do anything against the inquisition do to their power base at this time, because it could spark a second civil war. Also, he's to pragmatic and will treat this in the same way he treated the gods blight virus. The Lion on the other was built for situations just like this one.

The Inquisition vs Guilliman and likely the Lion is think is inevitable. As much as he hates the Ecclesiarchy and the Imperial Faith, guilliman has come to accept its importance in maintanining the imperium so far. He knows it is all lies but sometimes that is what people need to hear to keep them fighting. The Inquisition provides no such service and can be quite reasonably viewed as a threat to the imperium itself. The question then becomes who has the higher authority: those who claim to carry out the Emperor's will or the ones He calls his sons.

Not gunna lie, as much as the Inquisition is one of my favourite factions in Warhammer, I would like to see a story where they get a big ol preverbial Spanking or serving of Humble Pie and that it be Public knowledge and not a hidden fact!

@minhducnguyen9276

8 ай бұрын

Having them destroyed wouldn't be as entertaining as making them living under someone else's boots. With the return of Lionel I want to see Gulliman leaving Terra a second time to handle his business and as the Highlords and the Inquisition plotting to overthrow the primarchs a second time Lionel walk in the conference room and declare there has been a "changing of management"

loving inquisiton lore at moment, can't wait to see how it pans out with the lion.

@capatialvinjohn2753

Жыл бұрын

Surely, the Lion won't be as forgiving/ tolerant as G-Man was when he found out about the Inquisition......

@minhducnguyen9276

Жыл бұрын

​@@capatialvinjohn2753 Probably because he didn't have the time to takeover the inquisition or time spent on managing it. Gulliman prefers working with more transparency he wouldn't even want to run the inquisition by himself. I want to see the lion returns and bring up the inquisition problem with Gulliman and Gulliman just say " Look, I don't have time to watch over these lunatics and I'd rather not having them in the first place. But if you want, you can try to takeover the inquisition. I'll give you some contacts and any resources I can spare. Just try to keep it transparent between us brother."

@tommytukka7034

Жыл бұрын

@CAPATI Alvin John it would be great if the lion gives em a whoopin. they deserve it after the things they've done just because they've been insulted or ignored.

this channel right here!!!!!!!!!, underrated in my opinion!!!!, KEEP IT GOING!!!!!!!!

I want a second civil war between the primarchs and the eclesiarchy/ inquisition. Having Johnson smash some inquisitors would be awesome and cathartic.

@jacobburke8976

Жыл бұрын

The inquistion would have a field day with bitch ass Johnson he better start taking orders well or the inquistion will snuff him out.

I just want Russ to return and discover they tried to attack Fenris. The Inquisitions leadership is living on borrowed time.

@Ragnarra

8 ай бұрын

Damn right!

You didn't mention the best part of him lying to Uriel, see the Ultramarines had found these refineries over a gas giant and placed in the path of the hive ships that were coming to that planet, waited until one of the hive ships were starting to eat before detonating it instantly killing one and a huge number of hive ships allowing them to easily take out the other. This mission probably had the fewest casualties of any mission Uriel ever embarked on and it was for nothing because the planet it was buying time for was bombed out of existence. Them taking those two ships out being helpful is dubious at best because it also caused the Imperial Guard to try the refinery trick again in the final battle not realizing that Tyranids know what happened last time and won't fall for the same trick twice so the Tyranids hurled it into the middle of the defensive lines and set it off taking out their flag ship.

So... they excomunicated Kryptmann and than began to do basicly the same thing he did... fascinating.

We can see an Imperium civil war if even another Primarch returned. Taking out the Inquisition, & Eclisiarchy alone would be a monumental task with their fingers in every planet & eyes everywhere. If the Imperium wasn't facing just overwhelming external threats the internal issues would be an amazing story arc as the Primarchs try to rebuild the Emperor's dream.

Okay, this point has always seemed extremely derpy to me. How did BOTH the tyranids and the orks emerge stronger while fighting one another? The orks are extremely vast in number but not infinite, especially not when sustaining very likely massive casualties fighting the tyranids. And likewise, the tyranids might be able to grow with each devoured world but how many worlds do they get to devour with an entire ork empire battling them?

@dac314

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's definitely hacks.

@ebbiilizard8954

Жыл бұрын

when orks fight , they shed spores. The bigger the fight the faster the spores grow in to new orcs. Leaching nutrients from the ground. I personally think there is a bit of warp shenanigans to mature the orcs faster.

@Subject_Keter

Жыл бұрын

The Nids can gobble up the Orks but how fast is the turn around on popping out a new nids? One or the other should of broke through long ago

@MrHellsing76

Жыл бұрын

Because the author didn't think

@Luciusthestorms

Жыл бұрын

By now in that fight the nids should have a bunch of stuff made just for killing orks.

Excellent content and views as always. The scale of these conflicts always erked me. Millions? New York City today has Millions. A solar system of humans would count into the Trillions or more. Million lives? Nothing. Love when the Nids and Orcs clash!

@hammer1349

Жыл бұрын

That is assuming all the worlds are colonised to the extent that our current earth is. Given they were allowed to be abandoned and sacrificed, I doubt the populations would be that extensive. It was only 1 system with likely only a handful of habitable planets. 10s or 100s of millions, most likely though billions is not entirely impossible but also not guaranteed.

The Lion to the inquisistion "I bet you say its "to save a thousend more worlds" everytime to absolve your sins

Kryptmann: "exterminatus is excessive in the moment but will save the imperium in the long run" Deathwatch: "heretic!!! ... so anyway, we gonna nuke 20 planets to save the imperium in the long run" I dont know why I am annoyed, its not like the inquisition hasn't been hypocritical af in the past already.

@dac314

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty brazen use of "what that guy did was wrong but we're about it do it a dozen or so more times because apparently words are meaningless"

@AnikaJarlsdottr

Жыл бұрын

@@dac314 the most infuriating thing about it was they had to use multiple watch companies to do the deed.

This method made me think back to Freespace, one of the last classic space flight sims, specifically to the Ancients cutscenes.

The Imperium needs Rogal Dorn to return. Well lets face it. I think it's end times so we need every single Primarch to return. But Rogal is my guy. The Black Templars numbers are going to help save the galaxy.

@Ragnarra

8 ай бұрын

And he's the only one who can bring the Phalanx to full operatibility because I don't think he left manuals on how to fix it should he be gone or dead, or presumed deceased. Also the Templars are going after the Inquisition after what they saw happen to their fellow sons of Dorn the Celestial Lions. And who's to say that it won't just include the Imperial Fists or the Black Templars at this point the Inquisition has been more of a hinderance biting the very hand which protects the imperium Space Marines in general have most notably been *forced* into hiding because of the amount of fear and hatred the Inquisition causes. I just want the Primarchs to punch Inquisitors in the face and we might just get that.

The most logical race to me who will triumph seems to be the orks. Orks, like some already said, release spores that grow faster the waaagh increases. Also orks like to pass the word of a guud fight through the galaxy, and warbands and their warbosses come to join. They travel inside asteroids who can easily pass any screening, and also use their "spaceship" to smash into their opponents as weapon. Thats how Ghazghkull has fresh reinforcements in Armaggedon, not only his warband, he only makes clear he is the Boss. Old Ones created Orks to fight the hordes of daemons in the past, and they were effective. Imperium estimated that the number of orks in the galaxy is immense, and that only internal fighting keeps them from uniting, and their estimate of ork numbers is still very modest. (there are ork spores in asteroids floating in space!) Tyranids always had the upper hand against Orks because Orks rarely fought them in a constant waagh, they isolated the Warboss and cut him down, orks went in disarray and were easy targets. But the chilling part is that the Warboss in Octarius, is growing in size, is learning the Tyranids way, and gathering a massive Waagh host... and escapes assassination atempts (maybe learned the hard way with the nids!). At this point only Ghazghkull could smash his head and take the Octarius Waagh! Leviathan Hive Ships if destroyed take considerable time to grow, and its worse if no worlds are there to consumed. Leviathan seem not be able to signal other Hive Fleets to join the fray. But Leviathan seems to be pushed to the limit and adapting fast! But nothing beats Plot Armour!! so... we must wait and see whats best for GW Business! Nice Vid.

@Luciusthestorms

Жыл бұрын

Less surviving as a new ork taking over every time an overfiend dies. Also nids could easily eat the spores before the orks can grow thanks to rippers or even tyranid spores.

@paimonisfood4986

Жыл бұрын

Tyranids are already winning and may have already won considering that it's the Tyranids who will be the big bads of 10th edition and it is Hive Fleet Leviathan that launches the largest invasion yet.

@spartacus6256

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Octarius concluded a while back. Ghazghkull paid Octarius a visit and left, taking some boyz with him and that the Swarmlord itself killed the Overfiend of Octarius, devouring its brain. Of course Octarius is still a war zone but the Nids more or less won with the lead Warboss of Octarius dead and the Nids taking advantage of the infighting amongst the Orks.

@URKCEHinoSuu

Жыл бұрын

Ever wondered if the initial wave of leviathan was just a distraction? And the real threat was approaching from the west, while the imperium pulls most of its military to the east?

Not even trying to evacuate whatever small numbers they could is where it is no longer justifiable.

That was a good one. Thanks bro.

Awesome story. Thank you. The more stories like this the more Alpha Legion makes sense.

Fanstastic vid as always

When the gray knights kill, loyal imperial subjects, no one bats an eye, but when the death watch, does everyone loses their minds

Love hearing this. Wolf lord painting club!

To me it sounds like a back up plan in case plan a failed because there’s no guarantee that the primary plan would work.

Great content as always! With over 300+ books out, can you do a top 20 books/series recommended reads.

@BanditUshanka

Жыл бұрын

Easy enough. For an initial intro into 40k I'd recommend Gaunts Ghosts omnibus or Eisenhorn omnibus followed by the Ravenor series and then Beliquin series. There's plenty of decent Space Marine omnibuses out there depending on what flavor you're looking for. The Nighlords, Souldrinkers and Space Wolves seem to be quite popular ready. I'd also recommend the Siege of Terra books if you're interested in the HH.

@Ridgelinehunter007

Жыл бұрын

@BallsDeeep great options I've read most of these, or should I say 🎶 through Audible lol.

You should make a video about what two primarchs is the best to if possible erradicating the Tyranid Leviathan fleet together. I would say Dorn and The Khan. If Traitors before the HH are aviable i would say Perturabo and The Lion.

@ismaelsantos5378

Жыл бұрын

The best, if he returns from the dead somehow, would be Colonel Jurten.

Guilliman and the Lion will have to suffer the Inquisition until the Emperor’s Executioner returns. Once the Lord of Fenris meets them. they’ll have no choice but to unleash him to his grim duty.

In the lore, I’m pretty sure it explicitly states he evacuated the planets.

Anyone know the source for the thumbnail art?

For the Wolflord!

Death watch last requisition. 240 nova Cannon shells, 480 cyclonic torpedoes, 500 stasis mines, 5,000 Phosphex bombs, 50 vortex bombs, 5 star fortress.

First like than watch 😁😉

He went into Commorah with a sould shard of big E and despite what Kitten says, its cannon lol

And yes Guilliman would crush the Inqusituon if he had the support and if he could not The Lion would. 1 Primarch is a problem for the Inqusition 2 Primarchs and it can be gameover at any time. Lets take an example that the Inquisition tries to Kill The Lion or Roboute the other one would ran amok

Kryptman: boom time baby! Inquisition: *shocked pikachu face* Inquisition: "lord Johnson! Look at this lunatic!" The Lion: my ni.....

'For the War Master!'

Of course it will blow up in the Inquisition's face. Blowback is as old as the first great game between rival powers since the rise of the first states.

I think waiting for the world to be lost, and THEN exterminating it would have made more sense than the firebreak methodology

@TheJarric

Жыл бұрын

poin was to starve them then lead em to octavius as plentiful food source

@TheKlink

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJarric ok, halfway through.

"Yes inquisitor, this inquisitor right here" *Spider man pointing meme*

i hope they add more models from 40k to kill team like dreadnoughts and others for example have 1 dreadnought and 1 any other operative like if you have 1 dreadnought or centurion you can take only 1 or 2 additional operative🙂😀

Would he dare? That is not a serious question right? He would be calculating and still do what is needed. Nay i hate to see what the lion would do! Their would be no doubt and Robute would be by his brothers side in this!

Ashurbanipal? Last great king of Assyria.

Thing is kryptman didnt fail. He brought the imperium time, had he not the tyranids would have used their new biomass to snowball into a force that would have likely taken the entirety of the imperiums might to destroy. Lets be honest its unlikely the imperium would ever be able to concentrate and to ignore its other wars enough to actually do so. Add to that hindsight and what would have happened had they actually did, it would have essentially lost at least half the imperium once the great rift happened and whatever military was fighting them was isolated from the half of the imperium on the otherside of the rift. We can clearly say kryptmann saved the imperium for realsies with his actions.

What would the presence of even a Primarch accomplish here on the sheer scale of the forces involved? Heck, what would the *EMPEROR'S* presence even accomplish. I doubt even the full powered Emperor would have been able to stop both forces converging upon one world let alone an entire system assuming he had the same resources the deathwatch had on hand. Even if the Emperor could shield the entire world he was on, and kill every xenos upon it, that's saving 1 out of over twenty worlds. And then the 'nids would become several times more numerous in the system and the orcs would rally even greater armies. The point is, even with returning Primarchs, unless they come up with a plan to cut off the 'nid hivemind at the root, then they are done.

How powerful would Choas if they got power from the dumb dumb decisions the Inquisition makes?

Of course he would cross the Inquisition! He has the gray Knights on his side! And the custodians

Wait doesn't 10th Edition state the Tyranids won the Octarius War?

@Luciusthestorms

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's total victory but they are winning at the moment.

Heresy!!!! The emperor protects!!!!

Kryptman after the sheer failure. "Well, that was fun. Who's up for Chinese?"

That's why space marines are known as Angels of death.

Why would the inquisition and deathwatch copy him if they didnt want it the 1st time?/do it because of the 1 that started it?

The inperial night lords just copyed the traiter night lords, are the death watch traitors now too? raven gaurd night lords?

The inquisition is very odd as are the Astarte loyalty to it. Bunch of mortals playing god with peoples lives and not seeming to achieve a tonne.

Theirs no heresy here. What do you think watch brother Alpharius.

Still getting the messages that prizes are won.

Brain wiped ? Has happened before with inquisitors

The inquisition a failure ? Heresy 😂

Damn I'm bad at math what i expected: 1-1=0 what happened: 1×1=☠

Please let the Primarchs slap around the inquisition

@Ragnarra

8 ай бұрын

YES!

Watchmaster was probably a former Marine Malevolent. Also people say Guilliman's reforms failed because "hurr durr mah leahdgionz" while Space Marine chapters helped keep Imperium in one piece while as planned - minimizing scale of any force of space marines going Chaos. Meanwhile Malcador ideas like regular human led Imperium and Inquisition are failing again and again - "MALCADOR TEH HEROEH" - we do not deserve good lore.

@robertkropp3490

Жыл бұрын

The emperor wanted human rule, malcador simply was the one to put it into place

@user-yq3fz9ch5q

Жыл бұрын

​@@robertkropp3490 nailed it.

I mean .... It did work didn't it....

The Tyranids won the Octarius war.

Ok, so what is so special about Octarius that it can't be Terminated? I mean, we've already come this far. Yes, the populations purged were innocent but they served a purpose. It wasn't murder for murder's sake. It was a sacrifice of the few for the many.

@venomstar6789

Жыл бұрын

in the Horris heresy there was an incident in the Ishvan massacre that so many people were dying at once that it blocked out the astronamicon making warp travel impossible which is kind of crazy when you think about it it like there a paradox going on and no one wants to break it

@jonharrison9222

Жыл бұрын

And the worst act of genocide the imperium inflicted on its own since the Horus Heresy.

@michaelhowell2326

Жыл бұрын

@@jonharrison9222 it's not genocide. It's collateral damage at best and mass murder at worst. Genocide is the purposeful extermination of people bc they are a specific people. Exterminatus wasn't declared as some sort of ethnic cleansing.

Sounds awful and I would agree against any other faction, but as the Tyranids are probably the biggest threat, dropping a system doesn’t seem to bad.

CIA: Warhammer 40k

Genius level move by the hero Kryptman, if not for his gamble the Imperium would already be dead and mankind exterminated.

The Ordo Hereticus finds your lack of faith… disturbing.

P U R G E T H E I N Q U I S I T I O N

Right or not, it was the correct call. 🤷🏿‍♂️

6:11 Kryptman did not fail. He bought the imperium centuries if not a millenium

@Luciusthestorms

Жыл бұрын

But leviathan just popped up behind the imperium so not really.

Awe I liked the Deathwatch cause they weren't the Inquisitions bitch like the Grey Knights. Now how it goes

Didn't really care on this one

This is boring grimderp justifying previous boring grimderp. Classic GW writing.

If the Imperium kept attacking them in the rear it would make sense leaving them to it would not

Inquisitor lord, is a rank. Lord inquisitor would be a title only one person could hold. 40k doesnt have a lord inquisitor, it has inquisitor lords.