Reconcile to God 2 Corinthians 5:20. Reconcile in the one body Ephesians 2:16. What is the body. Colossians 1:18. Great lesson

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

And none of your passages teach that the Church is the Redeemer, fail! Christ is Immanuel, and our Savior. When you move away from this you are teaching another gospel! Period!

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

2 Cor 5:20-21 teaches exactly my point. It is Christ that is reconciling the world to God. The church is the blessed beneficiary.

With all the peacocks strutting in these comments, the king of the hill game in full swing, this is most entertaining. Everyone with their chip on their shoulder proving who has the biggest. Thank for the entertainment. I'm sure Jesus is proud of the ad hominems and parading of credentials.

Have ever God put salvation in ONE specific place? Genesis 6, salvation was inside the ark Christ is the savior of what? Ephesians 5:23 the church (group of people who are saved, Acts 2:47)

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

It is only found in Christ. You are misreading the passage. Salvation is only in Christ and we (the church) are included in salvation because we are in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. The only place is Christ. We are the church, we never paid the price, we are not holy in ourselves, it is only in Christ. He is the plan of redemption, any other doctrine is heresy! Period!

@davidmontero8015

2 ай бұрын

You said it, “in Christ” what means to be in Christ? Being inside His Kingdom (Colossians 1:13-14), inside his body (Colossians 1:18, Ephesians 1:22-23) how are we put into Christ? By the baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13) I am giving you many passages that God used to proof His plan of redemption, you CANNOT separate Jesus from the church, other wise you are separating the head from the body(Col. 1:18) you are separating the husband from his bride (Revelation 21:2) what kind of bride? Oh, He called it “holy”, interesting, so he made the church holy by the purification of his blood (2 Cor. 5:21) Please read those verses and their context and be honest if they are misread! May God bless you

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

@@davidmontero8015 your passages do not teach the church is our redeemer. They teach Christ is our redeemer! Please learn to read scripture, by understanding words and contextualizing passages. You do not understand my objection!

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

@@davidmontero8015 I am very honest about the scriptures, I’ve been deeply studying scripture for over 40 years. I studied under the greatest scholars in churches of Christ. Not one of them ever taught the church as the redemptive plan of God. It is impossible! Until you grasp this biblical doctrine you will never understand the Bible-never!

Please reply, what is th kingdom jesus talked about in Matthew 1618-19

What bible r u reading from? Did the kingdom jesus promised to build in Matthew 16 :18, what is that kingdom???

@darrellclark2248

19 күн бұрын

@@wesleycrisp6523 It is the reign of God, that will not be consummate until the end of time. The saved/church are subject under that reign. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Dont understand ur reply

Kingom does no mean reign. Where did u ge that definition. Kingdom means the same now as it did then. Christ is king over his kingdom

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

The Greek text and Greek lexicons. You don’t know what you are talking about. I said the idea overlap but is not the same. Do you know that angels belong in his kingdom? (Isa 6). Learn the teaching of the Bible, it comes in handy.

Is not the church thise that the lord add to an r saved. If ur not on the church u r not saved. Acts 2:47. Ephesians 5:23, an so on

Jesus saves. PERIOD. Jesus saves. The church is irrelevant to salvation. Jesus saves.

If you guys are preachers in this thread and teach that the church is the redeemer rather than the redeemed are promoting heresy. Nowhere in scripture does the Bible promote such a perverted idea. Only Christ is the redeemer--there is no co-redeemer! You need to step down from preaching because you need to learn the ABC's of Scripture. One can teach that the church was in the plan of God; and God has a redemptive plan, but you cannot biblically teach that the church "is" God's plan of redemption. You have not proven it.

This message is an excellent advertisement for the Roman Catholic Church. They believe the same things.

The Church of Christ is like any other man-made denomination. Founded by men. You must have a different brand. You have made up doctrines everyone there must subscribe to or else, they can’t stay. You have hierarchy, unlike the true Ekklesia.

@darrellclark2248

19 күн бұрын

@@laitek7218 You clearly do not understand churches of Christ. We are flawed but not as you describe.

Your title that "the church is the redemptive plan of God" is heresy. Christ is God's plan. The church is a result of the redemptive plan of Christ, it is not the redemptive plan. It is impossible. The passages you are using are not proof. Your message and the title do not fit together. You may want to change your title. Your title is the very opposite to your message (Thank God!)

@davidwyke7060

2 ай бұрын

Revelation 13 vs 8 the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. The church is part of the mystery revealed in Ephesians 1 vs 9 but more deeply in Ephesians 3 vs 1-11 vs 4 of Ephesians 3 when you read you will understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ vs 6 -7 the jew and gentile would be one in the body . What is the body Ephesians 1 vs 18-19 Colossians 1 vs 18 Ephesians 4 vs 4 the body is the Church. Let's look at the law of first mention. Where in the Bible is the word church said for the first time Matthew 16 vs 18. The first time the word church was mentioned Jesus said he would build it. There is no way around the truth

@rogerl-wd2xz

2 ай бұрын

Evidently you didn’t listen carefully.

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

@@rogerl-wd2xz That is not the case. I’m right on. I know the book. It is the open title I am referring to, not the message. To claim that the church is God’s plan to save man is ignorance to the max. I don’t know even if they put the title on the video. Christ and him alone is the answer to save man.

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

@@rogerl-wd2xz The idea is a direct attack upon the cross and denies the power of the blood of Christ. I’m not saying they believe this, I saying their title indicates rebellion against God. Their message is the very opposite.

@bgcleve

2 ай бұрын

I think what they said was plain and clear! What he meant by saying “the church” is God’s redemptive plan is from the beginning of time God had a plan to bring men back to Him. Christ is the ultimate plan of the sacrifice BUT you also have “the church” Christ’s bride as a foundation for God’s people to worship. You can’t get into the one and only “ one Church” unless you are baptized into Christ.

Error! The Kingdom of Heaven is not the Church. A diligent study on that topic would help prevent your false teaching.

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

The church results from the reign of God in Christ by the Spirit!

@wesleycrisp6523

2 ай бұрын

What is th kingdom?? Is it the church???

@darrellclark2248

2 ай бұрын

@@wesleycrisp6523 It is not the same, but they are overlapping concepts. Kingdom means reign. It indicated the reigning of God in Christ. Church was a common communal term for the called and fellowship called of Christ. Those who are saved. The fullness of the kingdom will not be completed until the end of time.

@bobconolty2692

2 ай бұрын

@@wesleycrisp6523 The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom. The body of Christ (commonly referred to as the Church) is spiritual.

@wesleycrisp6523

2 ай бұрын

The church is a physical kingdom that inam a member of. The kingdom of heaven an the church r the same thing