Thank you guys for these lessons that you bring! Can you do a lesson on the Lords Supper and whether it matters if we use one cup and one loaf? Thank you!

@user-fm1pu8fr6k

3 ай бұрын

Can you imagine how big the one cup would have been on the day of Pentecost. In Luke 22:17 Jesus told the to divided the cup among themselves, so the one cup concept is a ridiculous teaching.

@trinalasalle9429

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fm1pu8fr6k No I can't imagine that they would have used one cup but even though there were thousands of people on the day of Pentecost there's no evidence that they all were assembled in one congregation for the Lord's Supper. They people all left and went to their respective homes. Also in those days Christians generally met in houses for worship. Historically, individual cups were not introduced in the Church of Christ until the early 1900s. I was a member of a church that used individual cups and wafers for 20 plus years. I just recently began to hear about one cup, one loaf. I now attend a church that uses one cup and one loaf. It seems to me that the one cup containing the fruit of the vine represents the blood and the one loaf of bread represents the body of Christ therefore representing Unity of the Body. It just makes sense to me.

@user-fm1pu8fr6k

3 ай бұрын

It’s really not about the cup but what is in the cup, Jesus said this is my blood and this is my body. Luke22:17-21 Never did he said that it represents his blood or body you are adding words that Jesus never spoke. As a Christian we understand what Jesus said, because we must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24 It is spiritual when we partake of the communion(Lord’s Supper). And for the day of Pentecost it shows in Acts 2:1 that they were in one place(on the Day of Pentecost) this was the first Gospel sermon preached there were Jews of all nation and over 3 thousand gladly received the word and were baptized and continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers. So after all that took place. It does show a daily gathering happening with one accord in the temple and from house to house I agree but that was afterwards. You can read this in Acts chapter 2

@trinalasalle9429

3 ай бұрын

Respectfully, I am not adding to God's word . I merely said "it seems to me that the one cup and one loaf represent the unity of the body". After all, Jesus prayed that we all be one as he and the father are one. John 17:20-23. Unity is implied ... Jesus took " the cup" singular not cups 1 Cor 11:25-26 . Absolutely we dont drink the cup but what is in the cup. As for the day of Pentecost, scripture says nothing about the Lord's Supper being partaken on that day. The people were together and took their meals together not the Lord's Supper. The official Churches of Christ were not established until after the day of Pentecost. I'm continuing to study this matter and praying God will give me insight on it. We always want to worship in Spirit and Truth and it's all about doing God's will. I just want to make sure I'm worshipping the way God wants.

@user-fm1pu8fr6k

3 ай бұрын

@@trinalasalle9429 Never read in the scripture where Jesus are anyone else used the word represent. When it come to the body and blood of Jesus the(Communion)Let us use the words Jesus and the apostles. Just like Paul said he did in 1st Corinthians 11:1-2

Great lesson brother's it is so important that we read God's word daily

Thank you for all you do. I truly appreciate and enjoy your lessons. Have you considered responding to the book written by Lee Ann Ferguson “ Christ rescued me from The Churchs Of Christ”? It disturb me to think this book seems to be very influential. Thank you for the great work. Blessings to your ministry.

@gbntv How does BJ Clark reconcile his complete discounting of the rapture of the Body of Christ with 1 Thessalonians 4?

Please do the one cup

Enoch and Elijah didn't go to heaven without dying. Yes, God had intervened at the time of Enoch's passing and he was transferred, or relocated, so as not to see death by the hand of those who wanted him dead, Hebrews 11:5, but that doesn't mean he went to heaven. Nobody went to heaven before Jesus: "Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man," John 3:13. Likewise, though Elijah was taken up in a windstorm that didn't mean he had died at that occasion or went to heaven either; rather, he was transferred to another location and assignment. Later we read how he wrote a letter to one of the Israelite kings: "Eventually a written message came to him from E·liʹjah the prophet..." 2 Chronicles 21:12.

There's a judgment at his appearing and a judgment in his kingdom. 2 Timothy 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Where are the dead? Body's in the grave, Spirit goes back to the creator of it. Ecclesiastes 12:7

@tomgregory687

2 ай бұрын

The spirit of man is his breath. God breathed into Adam the “breath of Life” and his lifeless soul became a living soul. That is the body that was created came to life. At death the breath departs and returns to God and our lifeless soul (body) goes to the grave. This is the Biblical teaching. The idea that we somehow live on in Heaven comes from Hellenist and other pagan doctrines.

@thomasprice1320

2 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 True!

@thomasprice1320

2 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 God knows who is wicked and who is righteous. Both spirits return to the creator at death of the body. There are 2 resurrections 1,000 years apart. The righteous is in Rev 20:6 and the wicked are raised 1,000 years later. Rev 20:7-15.

You quoted Ecclesiastes saying that at death the body returns to the earth and the spirit returns to God who gave it, neither that verse nor its context makes any distinction between the spirit of the just and the evil. So by that logic the spirits of both men would have returned to God. Also isn’t it strange how that though the bodies returned to the ground Lazarus was able to take his finger with him and the rich man his tongue. Very strange story, or is it just that, a story?

@thomasprice1320

2 ай бұрын

Yes, the spirits of both righteous and wicked return to the creator at death of the body. The Almighty knows who is wicked and who is righteous. The righteous are resurrected first. Rev 20:6. The wicked are raised after 1,000 years. That resurrection is seen in Rev 20:7-20.

@tomgregory687

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasprice1320 According to Jesus the just and the unjust will rise together. Matthew 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2) I think that I will take the Bible’s word for it.❤️

@thomasprice1320

2 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 I just quoted Rev 20. Truth is there. Isn't Rev 20:6-15 the Bible? Matthew 5:28-29 doesn't give a time reference for the 2 resurrections that Rev 20:6-15 does. Besides, Matthew 5:28-29 says nothing about the resurrection. And Daniel 12:1-2 is saying what Revelation 12: 7:13 says about Satan being cast to the earth. Again, no timeline. Neither of these Scriptures you mentioned gives a time line of the 2 resurrections. Revelation 20:6-15 does.

@tomgregory687

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasprice1320 The first resurrection is Christ’s resurrection and we become part of that when we are baptized into Him. (Romans 6:3-7) Then comes the church age symbolized by 1000 years. Then comes the resurrection from the dead which happens at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:51,52) at the last day. After that there is no more sacrifice for sin. (Hebrews 9:28)

@thomasprice1320

2 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 Dude, the resurrection and rapture are one event. Matthew 24:15-31 and Revelation 11:14-18 both says after the tribulation. The Rev 20:6 resurrection is for the righteous. There are no other resurrections spoken in Scripture pertaining to the resurrections except for 1 Corinthians 15:21-24. Rev 20:6 states," This is the 1st resurrection. Blessed and Holy is he that has part in the 1st resurrection. Over these the second death has no dominion and they shall be priests of the Father God and His Messiah." Verse 20:5 boldly states ," The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years have ended." How can you say that the righteous and wicked are raised at the same time???? And Romans 6:3-7 is saying that we are baptized unto His death. And we are raised as He, but not until He returns in the clouds. Romans 6:3-11 dies not say we are raised at Messiah's resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:21-23 refutes what you say. Stop twisting Scripture to try to prove a false point. You should know better. Instead, study all of the Scriptures because they verify the truth.

Nothing has. Been said of the Poor Man Lazarus how he got into that situation of being a begger. Do you have a clue?

@jjphank

3 ай бұрын

He was either born crippled, or became crippled because he had to beg for food! I like the story, because it shows the two extremes and everybody else’s 1 extreme or the other, or in between

@tomgregory687

3 ай бұрын

It’s a story, not a true account of what factually happens at death. Jesus used and old Egyptian fable about how the rich have more favor with God than the poor, and turned it around to illustrate the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. So here is the gospel that we must believe to be saved: 1 Corinthians 15: 1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 - And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Works do not save.

@tomgregory687

2 ай бұрын

Works come after being baptized into Christ to maintain our right standing with God. No works of the Law can bring us salvation, we are His workmanship created in Christ unto good works. Then God gives us the grace to be careful to maintain good works and thereby be acceptable to Him and avoid the consuming fire. (Titus 3:8, Hebrews 12:28,29)

The bad people are in the heart of the Earth in Hades. The good people Jesus led into heaven, according to Ephesians 4:8 and also fulfilling, the verses, “ & so Will we forever be with the Lord after we die”, and he’s in heaven.

@tomgregory687

3 ай бұрын

Ephesians 4:8 is talking about freeing men from the captivity of sin and giving gifts on the day of Pentecost with the impartation of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Thessalonians 4 where it says, “So shall we ever be with the LORD.” It’s talking about the Day of the LORD, when we’re raised from the dead. There is not a scripture in the Bible that says that when the righteous die, they go to a place called Heaven.

@thomasprice1320

3 ай бұрын

Ecclesiastes 12:7. When the body dies it goes to the grave and the eternal spirit goes back to the creator who gave it. There are no souls in heaven. Only spirits. All spirits whether good or bad, only God knows where they are kept for judgment. Genesis 2:7 explains what a soul is. A body with the breath of life. The spirit animates the body. At death, the soul ceases to exist. There is only a Spirit wherever God keeps them until judgment. At the resurrection, all Spirits are given an eternal body. It can't die again. 2 Corinthians 5:10 explains about the judgment. Our rewards are based on what we do in this life, how we treated the offer of salvation. The one who receives this free gift by Messiah at Calvary will spend eternity in the new Jerusalem on the new earth. Revelation chapter 21. The righteous are first to arise. Revelation 20:6. 1,000 years later comes the resurrection of the wicked. The one who rejects that salvation, is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:7-15. This is Scriptural truth. One better heed this while one is alive. We choose our own destination in this life. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is speaking of the final judgments. The new Jerusalem on the new earth and the lake of fire. Revelation chapter 20 refutes what these 2 men are saying about the righteous and wicked arise at the same time. That's not true. And there is no pre trib rapture. Matthew 24:15-31 and Revelation 11: 14-25 makes this clear. Matthew 24:29 says AFTER the Trib of those days in Matthew 24:21-22. Revelation 11:14 says the resurrection comes AFTER the 6th trumpet which is the 2nd woe.

@jjphank

3 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 The thief on the cross today you’ll be with me in paradise! Paul talked about his blessed, hope with Jesus absent from the body present with the lord! Let’s look at the context of Ephesians 4:8>> Ephesians 4: 8 Therefore [a]it says, “When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives, And He gave gifts to men.” 9 (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what [b]does it mean except that He also [c]had descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) It Says ascended Twice, Where is Jesus? Now? At The right hand of God. Didn’t Jesus receive Steven as he stood up? 1 Thessalonians 4: Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. The Saints that Died Will come back w The Lord!

@jjphank

3 ай бұрын

@@tomgregory687 Jesus received Steven and stood up at the right hand of God also ascending is twice at Ephesians 4:8-11 and first Thessalonians 4 Says the fallen asleep will come back with Jesus and the thief on the Cross today you will be with me in paradise! And so we should ever be with the Lord !

@tomgregory687

3 ай бұрын

@@jjphank Which will all happen at the LAST day. Oh, and Jesus didn’t go to Paradise that day. He spent 3 full days and 3 full nights in the tomb. (In the heart of the earth).