So this video is sort of unintentionally split in 2 parts. If you want to skip ahead I’ll leave time stamps. My Origin Story with Cassandra Clare, Shadowhunters TV Drama, What I thought her drama was: 1:40 The real drama, My current relationship with CC, and Dragging people who hated on me: 14:24

@thebirdcaller3221

4 жыл бұрын

Caleb Joseph You’re very good at organizing your ideas for discussion in a linear and comprehensible way. It’s a really admirable skill and I wish I had it.

@erinrogers1788

4 жыл бұрын

Daisey Gabriella Ho I can help u if u want

@mementomissy

4 жыл бұрын

dRaAaAaaaAgG thEM

@spiffylady9465

4 жыл бұрын

This was a fun video! I've got some tea with receipts you may be interested in... For those who do not know just how EXTENSIVE her fanfic plagiarism was, I'm going to post a comment I've made in a few other videos. For reference, it isn't normal to copy and paste long passages into your fanfics, I say this as a former fic writer myself and as someone who is now a professional writer. She did this frequently. To further how not ok this is, she made a career from how famous her fics were, fics that were largely plagiarized - it's a big deal. She made money off her plagiarism, even though that plagiarism was only in her fics - it was her popularity from her plagiarized fics that attracted the attention of agents. She became a famous writer off the backs of struggling writers who received little to no credit. Here's the comment I've posted elsewhere: Hello! There's a lot more to this series and its background than most people know. Cassandra Clare (formerly Cassandra Claire) used to be a well-known plagiarist in the Harry Potter fandom - for her fanfiction. I'm not sure if there's any proof of plagiarism with her original fiction, but I don't believe so. Anyway. So, most of the sites depicting Cassie Clare's plagiarism are down, unfortunately. The most extensive compilation of her plagiarism can be found on an old website called Bad Penny, which no longer exists. You CAN, however, find it on the WayBack Machine. I actually found here: ​web.archive.org/web/20130413060527/www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/8985.html#cutid1 It's extremely informative and very interesting. Please note that it only talks about the plagiarism in her fanfiction, not her original fiction (as it came out before her book premier, and I don't believe there's any proof she plagiarized with her original fiction) - and it's a lot more extensive than she lets on. You can see even more horribleness that Cassie and her closest friends were up to through the MsScribe Saga (although that was mostly MsScribe, one of Cassie's friends, and the one mostly at fault for not calling out MsScribe sooner was Cassie's closest Internet buddy, Heidi - a lawyer who'd threaten to sue anyone who **breathed** plagiarism and Cassandra Clare in the same sentence). The MsScribe Saga is still up on Live Journal through the journal of someone named Charlotte Lennox, however most of the comments and background were on Bad Penny (which no longer exists). The WayBack Machine link for the MsScribe Saga on Bad Penny - also a fascinating read, if only as a character study - is here: ​web.archive.org/web/20120529212816/www.journalfen.net/users/charlottelennox/ Have fun

@alananimus9145

4 жыл бұрын

Wheel of time is a series i read every year. I was never impressed with mortal instruments. They were funny but not great. I am someone who believes strongly in death of the author. If you want a great series to check out see the wheel of time its amazing and i cannot wait for the show.

“I most definitely said something about being dauntless” LMFAO I CRIED LAUGHING

@sarahtrivett4429

4 жыл бұрын

“Which is upsetting to think about” 😂

Plot twist: this video is just so Caleb can show us that he had a glow up

@anabelle3179

4 жыл бұрын

the dankest meme honestly though

@melaniep4099

4 жыл бұрын

the dankest meme Lol

@longangrysausage3495

3 жыл бұрын

Caleb just shitting on all of us ugly hoes

@megl6148

3 жыл бұрын

Baby Caleb was adorable. Lol

@puppycat2397

2 жыл бұрын

every time i see baby caleb i want to cry bc hes so cute & sweet he reminds me so much of my little brother :'''')))

The incest made me uncomfortable but I was like “A new writer just made a terrible mistake” but then I heard about the Ron and Ginny fanfic and was like 😐

@queenoftrades7254

3 жыл бұрын

Yea

@jacklemm1518

3 жыл бұрын

The incest was uncomfortable (especially in CoA) but I just thought that, like Caleb said, was to show how evil Valentine is. Like he's messing with his young children and making them feel guilty.

@Thatgenderconfused3mo

2 жыл бұрын

I never read the books (sorry I’m late to the conversation 😭) but based off the like movie I thought like oh no it just said that they are but it’s probably just valentine messing with their heads and they aren’t actually siblings because he’s evil. Finding out through the video that it was inspired by Ron and Ginny fan fiction is so gross and I’m glad I never read them 😭

conspiracy theory: her plan was for claire and jace being actual siblings but the publisher or maybe the public reaction made her change it. she must be so envious of george r.r martin for getting away with writing incest on mainstream 💀

@sabrina.lnd95

4 жыл бұрын

I was literally thinking the same thing while watching the video. What if she wanted to have them be actual siblings and the publisher said yikes, we can't do that so they made her put in the twist of HA they're not actually related phew .... pretty fucked up to think about

@dia.96

4 жыл бұрын

I've read A Song of Ice and Fire I don't read the incest in anyway that supposed to be celebrated, the Lannisters read entirely of toxicity and control (Jamie's entire arc is about spliting apart from Cersei) even in the case of the Targaryens the bloodline was incestuous and even that had terrible consequences across all the history he is written, it's portrayed in a historical way and even in the fictional world of Westeros people go "big yikes" with the Lannisters incest. They are accepting of cousins relationships to a degree wish isn't entirely out place. There's a lot of critiques I have about George RR Martin's work but incest being a thing isn't one of them

@jeonghansupremacist4354

4 жыл бұрын

@@dia.96 i know that babe i was just joking. i'm saying she must have thought "ugh now people like incest"

@jeonghansupremacist4354

4 жыл бұрын

@@sabrina.lnd95 i really think that was the case

@jeonghansupremacist4354

4 жыл бұрын

i won't speak much on the cousin thing because in my country is quite normal

Will Byers is trying to communicate in the background.. I have no idea what he’s saying

@reddaisy7152

4 жыл бұрын

I NOTICED THAT TOO

@daniellenelson8034

4 жыл бұрын

Omg I was about to comment this 😂

@jenniferkrigbaum2677

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@diannaparis

4 жыл бұрын

Looool

@AnniCrissi123

4 жыл бұрын

huh, what where

I feel like hating on a 15-17 year-old for liking books that aren't good is just really low. Like, yeah I don't like Cassandra Clare either, but saying something like "YoU sEeM sMArT, bUt YoU LIkE CaSsAnDrA ClARe" is just rude as hell.

@jackystar5099

4 жыл бұрын

When I was in middle school I loved Hush Hush which many people hate honestly if someone hated on me for liking it I would've taken it personally and felt really bad.

@casperthedumbassghost7164

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackystar5099 me exactly XD looking back tho, that book was a big fat yikes

@sparklegirl1006

4 жыл бұрын

Another one is “WhAt’S a NicE GirL lIKe YoU ReaDinG tHosE ShiTty BoOks”

@justperpetuallybothered3474

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackystar5099 Lmao I've just read the sequel to hush hush and have been considering making a youtube podcast reviewing it and other books but I don't know If I should!? Idk i've wanted to review books forever but worry I'm not charismatic enough

@xxyzxxyz690

4 жыл бұрын

@@justperpetuallybothered3474 Just do it if you feel like it, doesn't hurt to try it out

You're telling me that out of all the ships she could've chosen-- Harry and Draco, Harry and Hermione, Hermione and Draco, Harry and Ron, Ron and Draco, Harry and Neville, Harry and Ron and Hermione, Voldemort and Umbridge-- she chose Ron and Ginny????

@Hana-ty7kt

3 жыл бұрын

Voldemort and Umbridge got me. That would be terrifying

@Niyati99

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hana-ty7kt more or less terrifying than Bellatrix and Voldemort? because THAT is canon

@Hana-ty7kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Niyati99 After all of this time, I have still refused to read The Cursed Child. In my head canon, there are only 7 books.

@noramos4848

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hana-ty7kt we all know that cursed child was just a fever dream

@BlueGangsta1958

3 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain at least part of the reason was to annoy the guys from sugar quill or however that forum was called. Maybe it was the gryffindor tower people? One of those old places anyway.

Lmao Cassandra Clare made fun of me in front of like 500 people in a q&a for city of heavenly fire in 2014 x i dropped something on the floor during the q&a and she felt the need to call out my little 14-year-old self and basically told me to shut up or leave :) She could clearly see that I was uncomfortable but she still felt the need to belittle a young fan x I cried outside for like 20 mins and didn’t even get my book signed because I was so embarrassed (she was also 3 hours late lmao)

@margaretbrichant3568

4 жыл бұрын

Wow... that’s awful

@boredshrimp9425

3 жыл бұрын

That's pathetic of her

@Pamven

3 жыл бұрын

Is that really true? That's shit of her to do

@0p0a0s4

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe being late is a thing of hers because I went to a signing with her and holly black this past March just before they shut everything down and she was 2 hours late. They had us wait in the rain and gave no explanation. She didn’t make fun of anyone. There was a booktuber there that was kind of mean/standoffish too

@WhaleManMan

3 жыл бұрын

So we're just gossiping fake bullshit like a couple of 13 yr olds huh

wouldn’t call this bullying, mostly it’s just hilarious, but way back when the show was first being announced i tweeted her some shit like “don’t worry, we’ll always love the books more than the show!” and she responded “:)” and when i went to her account the next day to show my friend i couldn’t because cassandra clare fucking blocked me LMAO

@hira7586

4 жыл бұрын

Yo, wtf. But it was a compliment in a strange way.

@LoveMe06HateMe

4 жыл бұрын

Akfjakkaka why would she block you for that, thats so petty and strange imo

@georgefairweather1990

4 жыл бұрын

My thought is that since she would profit from the show, comments giving it a negative light in any way at such a critical time would be a no-no (if not from her, then from her agency or whatever).

@DivinityFallen

4 жыл бұрын

I love getting blocked by celebrities lol

@Rikku147

4 жыл бұрын

What the fuuuuck

"I most definitely said something abt being dauntless and that upsets me" That's so goddamn funny

@kousetsuhana

4 жыл бұрын

Dauntless. He said dauntless. And i agree :)

@booklover0577

4 жыл бұрын

kousetsuhana haha thx!!

@katie24lin

4 жыл бұрын

Ugh I really feel that. Fuck snapchat for not letting me change my sad sad username with “dauntless” in it

@stephpiano2908

4 жыл бұрын

I feel so attacked. I was that kid who did shit like that.

@arsonvamp

4 жыл бұрын

i have a very distinct memory of being at my year 7 camp and saying something about being dauntless when we were doing a high ropes course 😔✊

This video has such a *"why we broke up"* vibe and I love it. Also, those transitions have me cracking up every time 😂😂

"In the year 2004, when I was three..." my god, I'm old

@horses529

4 жыл бұрын

I always forget he's my brother's age until he mentions it and it weirds me out only a little bit

@iridescent_skies

4 жыл бұрын

Wait... this guy is only three years older than me. I think that this is the closest KZreadr in terms of age that I watch. This is weird. I remember when every KZreadr I watched was on old status to my young thought process. I remember when 18 was so far away but now it’s only three years. Holy crap someday I will be the same age as adult famous people. Shit someday I will be an adult.

@baubabau3658

4 жыл бұрын

@@iridescent_skies and you'll be thinking ''Shit I'm an adult'' everyday

@assasserson6429

4 жыл бұрын

I was -1.

@kassidytidwell7392

4 жыл бұрын

In the year 2004 when I was -3

The transitions in this video killed me.

@rach3092

4 жыл бұрын

I wished he used the 'the trees didn't deserve this' one though tbh x'D

@ollie2111

4 жыл бұрын

It made it better. I like this better than the meme transitions.

I remember there being a scene in City of Ashes or something where Jace and Clary were pining and angsting over other while they believed they were siblings and stuff and they ended up making out and basically having that moment of “I don’t care that we’re related”. The incest fetish REALLY jumped out during that scene and I remember young me being very disturbed by it and having to set the book down for a long time. Your feelings are totally valid tho.

@Rikku147

4 жыл бұрын

The incest fetishism was the ONE thing I knew about the series, next to the controversial handling of a sexual assault scene, so that effectively kept me away for years.

@somehoe1787

4 жыл бұрын

I don't remember that scene in City of Ashes tbh. But in City of Glass Jace thinks he loves Clary because he has demon blood and he is a monster, so he kinda goes like "FUCK IT" and wants to be with Clary. But Clary was trying very hard to not be romantically involved with Jace after City of Bones. I never found it THAT perturbing because I read the series a year ago and I already knew they weren't sibilings. At some parts it was uncomfortable but I knew the truth, and I wasn't there for Clary and Jace (I love Simon so much and I only cared about what happened to him even if I had to read the Clace scenes which are one of my least favorite relationships)

@Kaastengels

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 isn't incest problematic too??

@sofiahong5026

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 it is equally serious because most sexual assault cases are incestuous

@sassysarahreads

4 жыл бұрын

Yes because most cases involving consenting adults partaking in incest is from a manipulative power play in which individual has more power over the other and uses this power as a coping mechanism that results from trauma. Both are horrible. I’ve had many friends who were not consenting as children and who were assaulted so I’m very bothered by your previous comments about how we have to teach that incest is logical. Sorry I can’t support that claim because no one who has consented to do that is married happily and dealing with trauma from their own actions to participate in sexual behavior with a family member.

It's even worse when you learn that she wrote the og Mortal Instruments because she wanted to spite Harry/Ginny shippers during a ship war at the age of 28

@wiltedcordypetals

Жыл бұрын

she wrote that shit when she was twenty fucking EIGHT?!?!! GROWN ASS WOMAN LMFAO WTH

@kavya71954

Жыл бұрын

embarrassing

@user-pt5cl2ro6f

8 ай бұрын

Hinny: A normal, healthy relationship. Her: We don't want that. Here's some incest.

Sebastian actually knew they were siblings it wasn't a plot twist for him. He was just a yucky, creepy person.

Every time I hear someone talk about how bad seventh grade is I relate so much

@melaniep4099

4 жыл бұрын

the dankest meme SAME

@tke8981

4 жыл бұрын

Same. It sucked for me.

@user-jo9pm8fd8g

4 жыл бұрын

That was my Vietnam War flashbacks

@noodlekatz4449

4 жыл бұрын

Ugh I was so depressed in seventh grade

@justperpetuallybothered3474

4 жыл бұрын

Grade 7 was my best year in high school, grade 8 however...I don't think it was possible for a person to be more anxious and self-loathing :/

Every time he said "and I looked like this *insert picture*" killed me. He committed to that joke and I'm here for it!

@mischa2643

4 жыл бұрын

Maya Givens I wanted the pic to go with early 2000s “I was a baby” - I was waiting for it, man.

I'm actually currently writing my dissertation on how race politics influences the plot of The Shadowhunter Chronicles (and YA fiction more broadly), and during my first meeting with my dissertation supervisor she told me to be careful. She used to professionally review YA books and all of her coworkers were scared of even touching Clare's books because she's so quick to contact her lawyers lmao

@stephpiano2908

4 жыл бұрын

Holy shit

@TabbyeLynne

4 жыл бұрын

She is the Anne Rice of YA

@erikaalejandra1710

4 жыл бұрын

YOU are one interesting individual, can't you start a youtube channel and show us your dissertation?😕

@sunshineramirez7766

4 жыл бұрын

@@erikaalejandra1710 agreed

@AvgJane19

4 жыл бұрын

Just to be clear we want a link to the dissertation as soon as you're done

I know I'm basically shooting a dead horse here, but something I have never seen referenced in this controversy that definitely merits attention is the fact that in one of the books Clary or Simon is reading an manga called Angel Sanctuary. Now, 15 year old me was pretty big on angels (duh) and christian mythology, and so I gave the anime adaptation a watch. To this day I think about the fact that it's about a war between angels and demons centred on the incestuous relationship between the two protagonists... was she ever even really trying to hide it?

@tedros6917

2 жыл бұрын

i don't know whether to laugh or cry at this

@Caldella

2 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh no. I remember being given volume 1 of that manga to borrow from a friend in high school. After I read it, I felt dirty just having it on my person. They didn't want it back, and I just threw it out.

@ortezac.5339

2 жыл бұрын

What little memory I have of that manga is basically me getting pissed off at Rosiel for every appearance of his. Heck, I hated him even more than Griffith and THAT is saying something.

@duhuh7370

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ortezac.5339 I've never read that manga but I've read Berserk and goddamn he has to be literal scum if you hate him more than Griffith lol

@eilir_adron

Жыл бұрын

ugh girl definitely watched vampire knght

“It’s all about clarity. And tea.”

@jerrpie

4 жыл бұрын

clari-tea if you will

@jerrpie

4 жыл бұрын

@@imow1383 ok then, Clary-tea

@JeevesAnthrozaurUS

4 жыл бұрын

Clare & Tea

the best breakup video youtube has ever seen

@mehkarma2772

3 жыл бұрын

And one that's actually sincere

The thing that turned me off from her was a tweet asking her who her favorite ship on The Vampire Diaries was and she said Stefan and Damon... who are brothers. Someone pointed that out and she replied saying that makes it even better! (it doesn't and it's gross.) In the TDA books, most of the drama would have been cleared up in like 30 pages if she didn't treat parabatais like siblings (because in a lot of cases, they are not siblings), but you just KNOW she did that on purpose because it clearly gets her going. It's hard to separate the cool world and characters she has created from her, because I love them, but I despise her.

@strawbebbiejam

4 жыл бұрын

Katertot8895 holy shit i never thought about it that way but youre right oof

@user-zw6hf5xl7s

4 жыл бұрын

that's kinda gross. I just read the Scrolls of Red Magic and bei g parabatais was mentioned a lot by Alec... now I kinda view that different then before and even though I love Magnus and Alec, every time Alec mentions Jace I get uncomfortable

@Beny763

4 жыл бұрын

Agree with basically everything you said. All of the incest or sort of incest is really gross in the books. Clary&Jace (even if this was a red hering) Clary and Jonathan, sort of, atleast one sided. But I can kinda give this a pass because Jonathan is f-ed up. And Jace and Alec, while they are not related it´s still sort of weird to have a crush on your adoptive brother, even if it would be technically fine. But I really just want to overlook this and appreciate the world and characters despite their author being... like that. Often authors turn out to be a bit.... ehhhhh. Like I used to love Harry Potter, but Rowling constantly adding tidbits and retconning stuff kinda ruined the series for me, even though I used to love that world just like I love the Shadowhunters world

@rachelvarghese5597

4 жыл бұрын

Beny i agree that the incest parts are honestly disgusting but its not like alec and jace were brought up as brother from a very young age (i believe they 10 or 12) and in one of the stories in the ghosts of the shadowmarket, its hinted that alec had a crush on jace from the moment they met - which seems to me an understandable reaction from a young boy just discovering things about himself when he meets a boy his age (possibly for the first time since there were no other families in new york and the lightwoods were in lowkey exile). I haven't read red scrolls of magazine however so i guess the way alec talks about jace in that book maybe particularly disturbing.

@eviejackson1969

Жыл бұрын

like yeahhh wooo gay rights BUT NOT WHEN IT'S INCESTT

Imagine you're thinking about that incest fanfic you read a few years ago and a series with the same name is sitting in the bookstore right when you walk in

What if, and hear me out here....Cassandra Clare wrote My Immortal??

@salem7276

4 жыл бұрын

The Immortal Enobies

@HannahWasNever

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't surprise me

@cherrypie2511

4 жыл бұрын

👀 I'm listening

@sunberry1894

4 жыл бұрын

Wait... You may be up to something 👀👀👀

@RingTheBella

4 жыл бұрын

Oh.my.god

“Are we not allowed to have a ginger?” GINGERS DESERVE RIGHTS I said what I said

@greenergrass4060

4 жыл бұрын

The 14th doctor better be ginger

@rach3092

4 жыл бұрын

Books need more gingers damnit!

@synflwr

4 жыл бұрын

Well my protagonist has purple hair... not sorry

@BooksToAshes

4 жыл бұрын

As someone who plans on marrying my redheaded boyfriend, I agree

@horses529

4 жыл бұрын

Being a gay woman, tall Ginger woman are... Oof they're amazing

The incest thing is SO yikes. It would've been one thing to have the reveal that Clary and Jace were siblings. But the fact that after they KNEW they were siblings and they were still kissing or sleeping in the same bed was just gross. And the fact that it was all a lie in the end doesn't make those moments "okay." I feel like the whole "Parabatai can't fall in love" thing was her way of getting her incest fetish on without it being incest. The whole time reading Lady Midnight, I couldn't help but wonder about that.

@soup1594

2 жыл бұрын

OMG I HAD THIS SAME THOUGHT OMG!!!!

@liyre4189

Жыл бұрын

they were KISSING AND SLEEPING IN THE SAME BED???? WH A T

@Fiemus9

Жыл бұрын

Oh no Lady Midnight is like my favourite YA book, dont ruin it for me 😅💀

**can't figure out if roasting Cassandra Clare or himself**

@mehkarma2772

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's both 😕

@crowthewicked8344

3 жыл бұрын

A little bit of option A, a little bit of option B

in the draco fanfiction she paired up Narcissa and Sirius. THEY ARE ALSO RELATED. I don't get it.

@beckagrace7499

4 жыл бұрын

She was inspired by Colleen hoover!

@phoenixtracy9875

4 жыл бұрын

BrendaFOBRocks The issue there is that family already had a lot of incest to keep the blood pure so it’s not like she started that

@BrendaFOBRocks

4 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixtracy9875 i hadn't considered that, but tbh considering all of the incest Clare has written I still think its weird AF.

@junjunjamore7735

4 жыл бұрын

Difference is, Rowling wrote the incest as the “obligatory” thing based on real world history (royalty, racial supremacy). From what I understand about Clare (haven’t read her stuff yet), she seem to fetishize it?

@sufferingmeguca7919

4 жыл бұрын

Junjun Jamore I’m pretty sure she does

the only reason everyone watched shadowhunters was malec TELL ME IM WRONG

@iwanttoquit

4 жыл бұрын

we can't because you're right

@aloneinmidnight

4 жыл бұрын

and because izzy was gorgeous 😂

@saiyuriinuzuka6400

4 жыл бұрын

100% right. The ENTIRE reason I watched the show at all. Because I could not get over how much they changed. Would just watch Malec clips on YT. XD

@honey-jd6or

4 жыл бұрын

you aren't wrong. but eventually i just stopped altogether. it was too CRINGEY ok the special effects were really bad too.

@elsagranquist9755

4 жыл бұрын

lmao my mom recommended it to me when it just came out and i was like 13/14. i had only watched pretty little liars before this so my standards for tv were pretty low. (in my opinion) season 1 is laughable but season 2 and 3 are actually good

unpopular opinion: the movie wasn’t that bad, all the characters are exactly as described on the book

@roelin360

4 жыл бұрын

That's not a good thing lol. Maybe that's why it flopped.

@Artraive

4 жыл бұрын

I agree! It was not bad. Sure stuff irritated me, but the show was a joke for me.

@dots3854

4 жыл бұрын

yeah same, it was a little boring and badly written but i didn't hate it as much as the tv show lmao

@chrstina

4 жыл бұрын

my problem was more about the actors. somebody please tell me i'm not the only one who was acutely aware of how strange lily collin's was breathing

@bookofdaisy9124

4 жыл бұрын

Agreeeee... ya the movie changed a lot from the books and some of the acting and effects were cringy but the actors had SUCH good chemistry irl and the atmosphere of the movie was so much better than the show... the show is just.... yikes...

"Am I just supposed to pretend that Emma Carstairs isn't just a gender-bent Jace Herondale" literallyyyyyyyyyyyy this is why TDA is my least favorite series.

@sodapopp4367

3 жыл бұрын

I've only read TMI and TID, but is she really? While reading CoHF I noticed she had a lot of similarities to Jace (the bravest, lost her family, blond, amber eyes, even down to being left handed) and I only started liking Jace in book 6. I also didn't like CoHF epilogue, so if that's the case I'm going to jump back in time and read GotSM and Chain of Gold.

@deulily

3 жыл бұрын

@@sodapopp4367 chain of gold is amazing!! you won’t regret reading it

At this point I only read Cassandra‘s books as a guilty pleasure because they are so god damn addictive and the characters mean a lot to me and I won‘t let anyone shame me for it but I get why people don‘t want to read her books anymore

@angiesbuchtastischewelt9822

4 жыл бұрын

Same i've been reading those books for 8 years or somthing and my reading taste has changed so much, so I am just reading them as a guilty pleasure xD

@josie8997

4 жыл бұрын

That's definitely a mood 😅 tbh that's why i prefere the older books. They're definitely (very) flawed but god /damn/ that nostalgia!

@lia1944

4 жыл бұрын

I started reading the shadowhunter books them when i was around 13 i think and i loved them like i loved most of the books i read when i was around that age. I just finished LoS and QoAaD and they were just okay, i think i just grew out of reading these books and i didn’t plan on reading anymore of her books but at the same time i wanna know what happens to the characters in the upcoming 2 series so idk i might download them from somewhere on my kindle, i definitely won’t buy them. I also had the sudden urge to watch the shadowhunter tv series after stopping in the middle of the second season (i couldn’t endure it anymore).... and yeah it was just bad and i’m not even gonna try. The movie was kinda better but still bad, might watch it for guilty pleasure tho.

@LexTime89

4 жыл бұрын

I read the original trilogy when I was in high school and really liked it, the infernal devices in college and really liked that too. Now I’m thirty and trying to get through the second 3 of the mortal instruments, and it has been an absolute slog to get through because I hate the way Cassandra Clare writes, but damn the story is interesting enough that I want to read them all. It’s an absolute dilemma and it hurts my soul.

@rach3092

4 жыл бұрын

I used to really like the books but I just kinda fell off them. I don't know why, might've been the confusing plot with all the 'wincest' (blergh) or the weird characters...idk.

We stan a king who learns from his mistakes

I worked at a movie theater in 2016 that advertised the Shadow Hunters show and the actress for the main character was talking about how much of a fan she was of Cassandra Clare and in the same breath called her Cassidy Clare. And they never corrected her. And left it. In the cut. For the ads. It told me everything I needed to know about how the quality of the series lol

@Rizzalert69

Жыл бұрын

what the

@vivd8187

4 ай бұрын

I think that is her nickname for Cassandra since she still use it to this day. She uses it interchangeably. She is a big fan of the books though. She read all of the books and tends to answer a lot of interview questions about the books compared to the rest of the cast besides Alberto (who plays Simon and also read all of the books).

"I couldn't imagine shaming a 15yro for reading a bad book" Me: looks down at my "shelf of shame" with my Twilight and House of Night series.

@lovers807

4 жыл бұрын

This comments really old now but as someone who really likes both book series I fully feel you with how you feel but I cant help but love them

@horses529

4 жыл бұрын

@@lovers807 It's so true though. Like I have a love hate relationship with both book series.

@thxwanderer

4 жыл бұрын

I had to comment when I saw this. I loved Twilight when I was in middle school and I also loved the House of Night series at the same time. Upon ... You know, growing up, I looked back on them and they were awful but I still love them as part of my childhood 😭

@horses529

4 жыл бұрын

@@thxwanderer Fam it's so true. My friends and I love clowning on them now, but they still have a special place in my heart. Now we all just go Bella was a lesbian and Edward is a twink and all that kind of stuff.

@tatiyanaross8664

3 жыл бұрын

Yooo I forgot about the house of night series I loooooooved it

I had no idea about her fanfiction with Ron and Ginny, that's soooo fu**ed up!

@nikib4586

4 жыл бұрын

yeah..

@zai91b

4 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@Poisonousquinn

4 жыл бұрын

she's also told someone on twitter that her favorite couple from The Vampire Diaries is Stefan/Damon (they're brothers)

@myra961

4 жыл бұрын

Omggg seriously what the fuckkkk??!!!

@Amorfis

4 жыл бұрын

The biggest yikes of all

boiii judging by the background there's a demogorgon in your closet

@turner15

4 жыл бұрын

Now the broken blinking light is ominous.

The Mortal instruments.... more like The Mortal Incestments!

@redacted5078

3 жыл бұрын

get out

@dontburstmybubble686

3 жыл бұрын

Got em

Caleb after finding out about the Ron/Ginny fics: "YEARS of academy training, WASTED"

"In conclusion, I am bitter" lol me

i remember when i was a cassandra clare stan i saw her masterpost on tumblr recommending incest books and movies and thats when i knew

@pink_cardcaptor4850

4 жыл бұрын

wait.. what? she made a post for specifically for incest recs?

@NeithHecateAddams

4 жыл бұрын

I already disliked CC but this is a whole other level. Jesus christ.

@moonireads

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 This... I don't get it. It's a kink, it's not that crazy. Like how is this any different from GoT or anything?

@escapedscienceexperiement9824

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 uhhhhh,,,,,,

@escapedscienceexperiement9824

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544you do realize its stigmitized for a reason right? family bonds usually come with power dynamics and it can deeply psychologically affect u. comparing it to homosexuality is just meh

I remember once my friend tweeted her asking why she used gay characters as a plot point and then forget about them later and Cassandra Clare blocked her.

Look, I'll admit, I read some fucked up stuff sometimes. But most of the time I read something with a taboo relationship, it's either "this is a very dark and angsty story cause the characters are aware of how fucked up it is and the audience is supposed to feel disgusted" or "the characters talking about the dark relationship like it's nothing gives it just the right amount of self-awareness that you can tell the author is extremely skilled at letting the audience understand on their own how the story is almost like satire". To sum it up, most stories I read are self-aware and not fetishizing, while Cassandra Clare *definitely* has a fetish. Edit: a good example of a taboo relationship that isn't sugarcoated is the TV show Hannibal. The main relationship is a detective with Darkness Inside Him and a psychiatrist who is also a cannibal - they're aware of how fucked up their relationship is, everyone around them is aware, the creator and writers are aware... you get the idea. The show never ever paints the relationship in a good light, and the fans ship it because of how fucked up and twisted it is. And I'm pretty sure the fans and the creator isn't trying to eat anyone's heart anytime soon.

Anyway its rly cool of you to have this introspective on your relationship with a series / author and taking growth from it regardless of where you started and ended. Youre a cool bean Caleb stay tru to yourself

It's sad people were so mean to you when you were just a kid enjoying a book!

Book fans: the show sucks! Show fans: cassandra clare and the books suck! Me: i agree with both of yall

@phisograph

4 жыл бұрын

The Mortal Instruments series was a big fat "meh" to me (but a certain hard pass for the incest). Infernal Devices was great (a big improvement; still my favorite series out of the Shadowhunter works). Dark Artifices was good (I feel like some characters were underdeveloped, but then again, there's another series coming up). The Last Hours is far from completion, but Chain of Gold was great, too. I feel like she vastly improved and solidified her style over the years. Am I a Cassandra Clare fan? Absolutely not. But am I a Shadowhunter series fan? Kinda. The Mortal Instruments series is easily the worst one (and imo, not an accurate representation of the series; I have yet to find a reviewer that judges CC from later books and not the old ones).

@lenap319

4 жыл бұрын

@@phisograph i used to like the books, but i gave up after queen of air and darkness because i just realized that i didnt like these books after all and i mostly read them becaus ei liked them in middle school,,, i agree that she improved but tbh, its still way below my standards😅 and cc is just a terrible person, so theres that

@phisograph

4 жыл бұрын

@@lenap319 I respect your opinion. Honestly, I'm just reading The Last Hours series, then I'm done with it forever. I love the Victorian setting, and frankly, I'm losing interest as I become older & more involved with school and stuff. It's the same with Rick Riordan's books, come to think of it.

@lenap319

4 жыл бұрын

@@phisograph yeah, its opinion based obviously,,, i wont shame anyone who likes them, i just wish people were more aware of the problematic aspects,,,, Also, i still really enjoy rick riordans books, even now that i am older. The original series is still the best

@annabanana7659

3 жыл бұрын

My friends kept pestering me to read Clare's books since they know I love Fantasy. So when I read the first chapter about Clary, my immediately thought 'She might be a Mary Sue and this best friend is totally gonna be in love with her or some shit'. Turns out I was right.

It’s so funny to watch this because when I first read the city of bones back in 2013, I was so disgusted with the incest part that I emailed Cassandra and got a reply from her! I emailed suggesting that her “incest” plot twist was cheap and gross. Surprisingly I got a reply back and she basically said I didn’t understand and that it was for the suspense of the characters ??? But so happy to know she’s actually disgusting and twisted!

@Evelyn_Okay

5 ай бұрын

You're not wrong. That's cheep and gross tension she wrote to glorify her kink to her impressionable audience

i own like ten-twelve of her books and i don’t have the heart to get rid of them, even though they’re not good books and i don’t want to support her.

@WhaleManMan

4 жыл бұрын

eziraphale You already paid for them, you’re not supporting her by just owning them.

@tropetrinitytrilogy8533

4 жыл бұрын

@@WhaleManMan I second that. I've even bought books by authors I don't want to support used so that I can still read them but instead I'm supporting the charity, small shop, or family selling them instead of the author.

@littlealunaj1233

4 жыл бұрын

literally me

@imnothere6696

4 жыл бұрын

Give them to goodwill.

@Dawnstar1209

4 жыл бұрын

We love a self reflective kweeng

What is that morse code blinking in the back saying lol

@Carrottastic

4 жыл бұрын

It's Cassandra Clare cyberbullying him

@MahoganyRain

4 жыл бұрын

@@Carrottastic 😂

@friendlyghosthost1830

4 жыл бұрын

Cassandra Clare: TrAIToR

The reason I loved mortal instruments was entirely due to Magnus and Alec. Being a gay teenager when we didn't have heart stopper or anything LGBT that was good and not bury your gays. There was no books that focused on an LGBT character in the early 2000's much as the mortal instruments did. The side characters in mortal instruments was their only saving grace.

@awiejin9295

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@ianeyd5215

10 ай бұрын

goodness me, i had to practically fast read through everything just to get to malec scenes. In the lengthy series that i almost gave up on, they're the only ones that made me push through. Their first public kiss in city of glass and their break up in lost souls was 💔

I read all of her books when I was 13-15 and going through an extremely hard time just with life in general and those characters were EvERYTHING to me... those stories were what I used to cry into whenever I was having a hard time. All my copies are so worn down because I took them everywhere. Getting older it’s no longer my type of story anymore. I’m not a huge supporter of her anymore but honestly those books will always have a place in my heart for being a safe space. So watching this video I FELT EVERYTHING YOU SAID SO HARD.

@fridaherbst719

Жыл бұрын

Yes!! It‘s honestly insane to me that I‘m only now realizing how deeply I care about all the books I read in that time of my life. Like I would literally read at ANY given moment and it was mostly these YA series. Now I love commentary videos about them and their dumb plotlines, but I would reread them at any given moment just for that little reminder of a safe space.

‘Are we not allowed to have a ginger!?’ So funny 😂

I used to be that one kid that was like "I'm right and you're wrong! Cassandra Clare sucks! I heard this one thing from this one person so that automatically means I'm right!" and now...sometimes I get notifications from my old comments and I'm just like "wHy WaS i LiKe ThIs"

@dia.96

4 жыл бұрын

You might want to do an internet clean up, pretty sure there's a way to delete a bunch of old comments at once but I don't remember how

@Anna133199

4 жыл бұрын

That you feel this way is a great sign. It means you're growing!

@ToastyJunebugs

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes facebook pulls up posts I did like 7-8yrs ago and I just cringe myself to death.

The infernal devices is still my favorite series and I think it’s really well written. but that doesn’t mean I think Cassandra Clare as a person isn’t problematic.

@fatimaa9139

3 жыл бұрын

I was planning on reading the mortal instruments. But after watching this video i dont i can. But i really wanna read the infernal devices. Can i read it without reading the first series or will i not understand?

@19Isa09

3 жыл бұрын

fatima A you can totally read TID without TMI!

@fatimaa9139

3 жыл бұрын

19Isa09 okay thank you so much. I really wanted to read the TID

@m.josena4485

3 жыл бұрын

I agree but honestly hearing everything about her kinda makes me dislike her whole book series as well

@ortezac.5339

2 жыл бұрын

The only books I enjoyed were the Bane Chronicles, Tales at the Shadowhunter Academy, and An Illustrated History of Notable Shadowhunters tbh. But that's all. Otherwise, the trilogies are all but reduced, reused, and recycled plotlines.

Seventh grade was not fun for anyone let's be honest

@birdigo

Жыл бұрын

truly the dark ages fr 😬

7th grade was not fun for me either I still don't have friends 6 years later

@emilysattic11

4 жыл бұрын

I felt this comment omg

@butterbubbles5375

4 жыл бұрын

Mary Treaty Same, haven’t had real friends since the third grade.

@AllisonMiller30

4 жыл бұрын

It's been over twenty years for me and I still hate everyone from 7th grade. I hate myself from seventh grade as well.

@jayk5969

4 жыл бұрын

7th grade was when i realized all my friends were fake, got bullied and then developed depression. i still am depressed to this day lmao

@gracie9658

4 жыл бұрын

Ouch I felt that

Caleb’s new videos give me a Jenny Nicholson vibe and I couldn’t be happier

@swimmyswim417

4 жыл бұрын

Sarcasm, dry humor, and brutal honesty. All he needs now is a numbered list.

@kousetsuhana

4 жыл бұрын

@@swimmyswim417 and a post credit scene!

@nothankyouthanksforasking

4 жыл бұрын

This is the first time I've found someone who knows Jenny in a comment section. I send you all the Porg love in the world.

@meghan______669

4 жыл бұрын

kousetsuhana and the _____ bad

@nothankyouthanksforasking

4 жыл бұрын

@@meghan______669 _incest bad_

simon is best boi and y’all can fight me on that

@panoskaiolakala1053

3 жыл бұрын

Agree!!

@uu1545

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@nuclearclarity3778

3 жыл бұрын

and Jem!

Never liked TMI but I do really like TID and I think it's genuinely good. My problem with her comes from her latest series; the books are too long, the writing is repetitive, she uses the same metaphors and imagery over and over and over again.

@nibaa1213

3 жыл бұрын

yeah same. i read tid first and i really liked it, but i couldn't get through tmi.

I'm shook right now [SPOILERS FOR The Dark Artifices Series] The two main characters of this story grew up like brother and sister. Cassandra Clare constantly reminds us in this story that they are like family because the main female character lost her parents and joined as like a sister figure with the other children. But, now that she and the other male main character are teens, they have this extremely steamy forbidden love because they are parabatai. I always thought it was weird that they were supposed to be like brother and sister, but then all of a sudden they are having sex...now that I know about her incest plot lines, it kinda makes sense. My god...

@Rubbish1313

4 жыл бұрын

natwixterthan18 and if you look back and think about it, Alex’s crush on Jace, his parabatai, and with Jace frequently saying “you’re my brother,” gives off the same feeling. To me, anyway.

@gracie9658

4 жыл бұрын

Yikes, I never saw it that way. I haven't finished TDA and I don't think I will now because my thoughts have changed and I don't even care that much. It's been months since I read LoS anyway.

@rainbowpopcorns1325

4 жыл бұрын

Don't come for my ship Emma and Julian!😀I wouldn't say that their relationship is like an incest,beacause I've actually had asked myself multiple times ,,What whould happen if two parabatai fall in love?" In the books is said that Emma had her bedroom on the other side of the institute as a clarification that she is not part of the Blackthorn family. Also they needed to have that close platonic like relationship between each other to become parabatai

@Rubbish1313

4 жыл бұрын

@@rainbowpopcorns1325 even if it's your ship, it's described in a way that makes it feel like it's a placeholder for an incestual relationship. Throughout the series, parabatai are described as siblings to the other. Siblings. Even if you did wonder, it does raise questions given the emphasized nature of what a parabatai relationship is and supposed to be.

@rainbowpopcorns1325

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rubbish1313 Honestly to me it's never seemed like as you say a placeholder for incestual relationship.I guess it's because I adore the ,,friends to lovers" relationships,because I think that you need to know someone completely before loving them.Anyway let's get to the point. You say that throughout the series the parabatai are described as siblings.Well,it is describe multiple times as love deeper and stronger than that of siblings,even of self-love.I can quote if you want. Plus as it said in Lady Midnight parabatai can have sex,if they do not have romantic feelings for each other.

that one flickering light in the back is bothering me more than it should

@happyhydralisk6885

4 жыл бұрын

*Inhales* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@kiimdahyun

4 жыл бұрын

redplanet _ you made me notice it and now i can’t unsee it

@lucapeyrefitte6899

4 жыл бұрын

It's asking for help for some reason

@humanbean4037

4 жыл бұрын

Idk why but I’m sort of having the opposite reaction to it Like it’s cozy or something Reminds me of sleepy classrooms and getting lost in books

Friendly reminder that the third book in the Mortal Engines series literally called "Infernal Devices" by Philip Reeve came out in 2005

@elainamcclendon5593

3 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure that’s just a coincidence. Those two aren’t even plot related.

@MonnyArcade

3 жыл бұрын

@@elainamcclendon5593 There are similarities though - both infernal devices series and book have part-human, part mechanism/tech creatures (automatons vs stalkers). TMI and Mortal Engines both have villains called Valentine where a question of parentage is part of the mystery; badass red-headed teenage girl protagonists; there are other little similarities but personally I just always just feel sad for Philip Reeve when now apparently when people go in to bookshops to ask for his books like Mortal Engines or Infernal Devices, they get directed to the shadowhunter stuff instead :(

@elainamcclendon5593

2 жыл бұрын

@@MonnyArcade I am so sorry. I see your point now. You are right.

king of learning and growing as a person!!! as for me, i hate cassandra clare, but i'm not going to go around and attack people for liking her. i think her incest fetish is gross, her writing is very bad, she has plagiarized (taking lines from books, putting them into her fic, and then putting those lines in tmi), is rude, etc etc. that's my view! i'm not expanding because i have class in 15 minutes lol but if anyone is curious about my viewpoint lmk and i'll get back to you!

@akiraholland457

Жыл бұрын

What quotes has she plagiarized?

@Fiemus9

Жыл бұрын

I think thats true for TMI but the rest of them are good not gonna lie

Me: *sees an upload about a series I know nothing about, with a hint of underlying drama* Me, clicking immediately: Let’s hear it Caleb

How do you have so many young pictures of yourself? I’m jealous

@AllisonMiller30

4 жыл бұрын

His parents love him.

@WarKeineAbsicht

4 жыл бұрын

Also he was born after 2000

@emilytreads

4 жыл бұрын

@@WarKeineAbsicht so much more likely this. These days parents are on Facebook posting literal pictures of their kids poop & their B+ homework assignments - "well, they tried!"

I had to read this for 9th grade and I legit think the main character is an self insert character because of how similar their names are!

@gorillagripcoochie631

3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT! And how both of them are red heads

“It was the incest, y’all, the incest” 😂😂

in concluion, cassandra clare plagarized flowers in the attic

@AvgJane19

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

The "who looks like this" just makes it funnier idk why

"In 2004 i was three"..... i was 6 tf stop it lmao "it feels she writes it as a fanfiction" *cough* ACOTAR sarah j maas *cough*

@spongie4419

3 жыл бұрын

after months of seeing the word ACOTAR I just realized it's an acronym for A Court Of Thorns And Roses

I've heard that apparently in her HP fanifc days, Cassandra Clare openly disliked both Ron and Ginny as characters, and she was an avid HarryxHermione shipper, so the whole RonxGinny Mortal Instruments thing seems more written out of spite rather than because she thought it was hot

I feel like the books were there for me when I needed them, and now I’m okay saying good bye. Except for infernal devices, I still like those ones

@briannawayoe409

4 жыл бұрын

Nikita lovesbooks tid is one of my fav series i just ignore that cc wrote it

@Sicchan89Sui

4 жыл бұрын

Infernal Devices are a class unto itself. I will never get tired of relistening to them!

I feel like people also jump to say 'hey you're wrong' without trying to make proper conversation or respecting who they're talking to... And also not all books are read critically unless it'sa specific situation (like straight up reading a bookfor a review), it's very normal to read something and pour your heart into it instead of the brain xd Lastly people are just dicks to teenagers for enjoying things honestly 🤷‍♂️ one thing is trying to educate a teen and another is to bash them for having dun

@ErinIrwin

4 жыл бұрын

「catstrologian」 I agree with your whole comment, especially the middle paragraph 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

My sister LOVES the Cassandra Clare books but I read City of Bones like 4 years ago and got traumatised by being lured into thinking I was shipping siblings. Like bro I don’t CARE if they’re not siblings I THOUGHT THEY WERE AND I WAS SCARRED.

i went to a cassandra clare signing and during the Q&A she talked about how she was obsessed with forbidden love which explains a lot

@kavya71954

Жыл бұрын

ewwww 💀

I think with the plagiarism it's pretty common among series now like 50 shades of Grey and After are fanfictions that got published. The Ron and Ginny fanfic is a big fat ew in my opinion and it sucks because I had a similar experience to you with having read them at 13 and stanned them for so long the nostalgia is real for me to this day. I wonder how old she was when she wrote that fanfiction not excusing the grossness but If she at the very least was transparent about her past and was like "that was super fucked up of me to write about that when I was younger" I think I would feel less guilty reading her books but she never addresses it today. I'm definitely going to have to think about whether I want to continue which will be hard because I actually really enjoyed and got lots of entertainment out of her series.

@claire4696

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 How is incest not problematic?? It's also not something private she literally wrote it in a fanfiction lmao

@melaniek8929

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, she wrote that fanfic from 27-33 (2000-06)

@ionastewart8814

4 жыл бұрын

@@marisabarber9544 I honest to god can't believe that we've reached the point as a liberal culture where we need to explain to (presumably) grown-ass adults why fucking your siblings is wrong. We need to bring kink-shaming back.

@Mecharnie_Dobbs

4 жыл бұрын

Does the fact that incest is wrong, make reading and writing about incest wrong? Even if you write about it being good? Does she?

@gayshaymin3712

4 жыл бұрын

Lis no offense but equating writing about gay ppl, polyamory, and poc with things like incest isn’t a great look.

I discovered Cassandra Clare's books when I was sixteen, and although I see the issues with the books and with her, I'm able to detach the author from her works because sue me, I find these books enjoyable. Great video!

@sparklegirl1006

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@blacklez

4 жыл бұрын

But then you’re supporting her still with your coint

@amberproctor3996

4 жыл бұрын

Get the books for a secondhand book store soooo your not supporting her directly.

@myra961

4 жыл бұрын

amber proctor haha that's what i did i started discovering about her books so i managed to collect the series spine art version. Now its only the matter of reading it...

@betterthanyou3465

4 жыл бұрын

@@amberproctor3996 or download it illegally...

I came here with a „Oh cassandra claire is problematic? Do tell!” And left with „this guy hates How he looked as a teen”

I watched the show for Malec, Harry Shum jr, and Mathew Daddario that's it

@freygrinter7970

3 жыл бұрын

Didnt we all

@phoebe1313

3 жыл бұрын

ofc yes.

@dakshayini8207

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@vivd8187

4 ай бұрын

lol same, but I got into the entire show

I feel like if you think the books are written well you can still appreciate them without liking the author as a person

@rosiel1277

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but I think it's a bit more complicated than that because an author's work is heavily influenced by their beliefs. Take for example Dracula, a foreigner from a distant land who invades Britain and turns good women into evil sexualized monsters, or house elves in Harry Potter who enjoy slavery. These ideas don't come from nowhere, even if it's unconscious

Super happy you mentioned "i'm right, you're wrong" culture. I wish people would stop to explain things clearly more often instead of just blindly attacking and assuming everyone knows all the backstory.

I always feel like I’ve outgrown CC until she releases a new book and I read it and just ... lose myself in it. This really is a toxic relationship huh!

"the incest is what changed my mind about things" lmao same here

I really like the maturity you show in this video. And I totally feel you that online culture is like "I'm right, you're wrong". And so I think it's really cool that you fought that and went back and reevaluated your previous thoughts. I also loved these books in 2013 haha. I was 15. I had no idea her previous history. And I'm also the same as you in that I stopped reading after a while because I too had just moved on in my reading tastes. Great video king. Hope college is well as always.

“I could go to a Cassandra Clare book signing and she could uppercut me and I’d thank her” okay but why is that me with my favorite authors/actors??

I can imagine Caleb going down a zip line screaming IM DAUNTLESS

“I definitely said something about being dauntless” SHUT UP this hit. If you read the onslaught of YA during that time you definitely did this while doing anything remotely athletic

thats why _The Cellar_ sounded so familiar!

@quirkyblackenby

4 жыл бұрын

disgusted jhope the funny thing is that criminal minds episode is based off of an irl case I believe

@Lelasings

4 жыл бұрын

I LOVE criminal minds and when I rewatched this episode like a while after I had also read the cellar I just... couldn't deal

@36thuspresidentlyndonbaine20

4 жыл бұрын

disgusted jhope idk if any of y’all have ever read Room but it’s similar

i read the first book at 13 too and the incest trope made me so uncomfortable i couldn't keep reading. it made me feel weird bc i shipped clary and jace soo bad (also i thought clary was stupid). so here we are, 7 years later, and i still won't read them bc i simply don't want to sit through that shit.

@charityyoder9028

4 жыл бұрын

My personal favorite was getting to book 3, and them having a make out session while still believing they were siblings. Even knowing they weren't actually siblings it made me gag. Even better she connected with Sebastian, kissed him too, only to find out he was her real brother. That's when I knew I wouldn't be reading any more of her books.

@pilar2406

4 жыл бұрын

@@charityyoder9028 oh my god i didn't know about that. thank god i haven't let myself read these series. it's kinda twisted if you think about it. an adult writing about teenagers having incestuous relationships? nope nope nope.

@stargirl32102

4 жыл бұрын

lucia. p i agree, i read the first 2 books when i was 12 and the incest thing made me so uncomfortable, like why is this grown adult exposing young teens to her weird fantasies ://

It's funny, tho because cassandra' s work really reminds me of books i read when i was in middle school called the mortal engines series and the main villain legit are both called Valentine and both of the main females are gingers. And JK's Harry Potter is also super similar to an older series called the worst witch where the main character is also a magical person who discovers they are magical and that their family was too and they go to a school that no one can see. they fly on broomsticks and also have houses and a blonde kid from an important wizarding family that hates their guts and wants to outshine them always. AAANd a ginger sidekick (although the worst witch's ginger sidekick is basically hermione). So it's freaking weird.

@Kikkarlin

3 жыл бұрын

@@NadiasCloud theres a whole 6 years between them. The first book in mortal engines was published in 2001 and city of bones was published in 2007

I think that it's really admirable how you can analyse critically things that you liked when you were young. I don't think there is a single person out there who didn't like something problematic when they were 15. I've read the Draco trilogy back in the day and used to like it too, heh. Sometimes it's worth it to be cautious about your faves.

Are we going to ignore how adorable Caleb looked/sounded at 1:08 or are ya'll not ready yet?

ok that title is ingenious though props to u my guy

I'm confused by you saying there's "conflicting information" about Cassandra's history of cyber-bullying. Her past is extremely well-documented, there's really nothing that can be said to wave it away.

@akiraholland457

Жыл бұрын

I didnt know this My god i'm ruined

Someone is trying to tell us with that blinking christmas light

I used to love this series! Magnus is honestly one of my favorite characters of all time, dunno why

@thebooknitter

4 жыл бұрын

Sameee

Lmao my school has a “self plagiarism” policy where you can’t submit similar work for more than one class her “plagiarizing” her own work reminds me TOO much of it

I lived through CC's issues and messes on Live Journal and various sites (I'm that old). I saw red when I saw she had been published. I'd warn people and be like "girl, beware whose pockets your lining here's some links and make your choice an informed one." But I wouldn't go to that anger. Some of her plagiarism has been blatant and in your face. Whole passages of out of print novels, concepts (which is arguable) also the Kenyon lawsuit was dropped under some interesting circumstances for Kenyon personally. The incest trope she seems to love is pretty skanky though. She seems to have a thing for it Plagiarism in fanfic usually get you called out and major drama goes down in the fandom when it does happen. As it did when CC did it, the first time. (There was a great tea/drama site could Journal fan with masses of evidence of fandom melt downs.) All in all my fandom experiences meant I avoided her work, and quietly warned people that "girl, she's not the writer you wanna support boo" That said if someone said "CC or Marion Zimmer Bradley, which one should I read?" I'd say CC despite how I feel. If you wanna know why I have a strong hate for MZB She is one to read about, but be warned it covers actual child abuse and it's not easy to read about her personal life. All in all though this is a great video and a great tracing through where and how your views changed and I respect you for being able to say that you have matured and there are things that will change perspective.

@ceilidancr

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for mentioning MZB being a sexual abuser, because I had no idea. The name rang a bell because one of her books was on my tbr, and wow I’m so glad to remove it and never waste any time on her work, ever. I’m so angered and sickened to learn what she and her husband did, I could scream.

@angela-thebooknerdess2110

4 жыл бұрын

@@ceilidancr and to think her kids felt they wouldn't be believed. It makes me so sad. I read a piece her son wrote about the situation and he dissociated in the piece to write it. I pray peace for those kids. I'm glad inbound help you be better informed.

@mrsb50

4 жыл бұрын

Fandomwank might be the drama community you’re talking about and it was SO great as long as you weren’t personally tied up in it lolol. The ones about CC were so well documented that I’m not sure how people can sweep that part of her history under the rug.

@angela-thebooknerdess2110

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrsb50 I loved Fandomwank, and yeah it was massively well documented. I think one of the group's I was in way back when had an issue and even they were like "wtf, this is a community that's usually chill." CC is just 🤐🤐🤐