What did YOU all think of Obi-Wan Kenobi? Were you just as let down? 😔 Comment below! Thanks again to Factor! 🍲 Use code FILMSPEAK120 to get $120 off Factor Meals at bit.ly/3Ho4oDo Edit: Hey guys, I know the music's a bit loud and I accidentally called a Snow Speeder an A-Wing. Apologies! Hopefully, you still enjoy the video.

@blaze556922

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was great. why make videos about things you don't like? It just perpetuates negativity in an already turmoil fan base.

@suzygirl1843

Жыл бұрын

@@blaze556922 Hate watching is the reason the mainstream knows about this. It's free advertisements

@albertjackinson

Жыл бұрын

I am with you on the overall idea some things worked, but there was too much going on. The main point of the refugees was to demonstrate how Obi-Wan regains his confidence in protection again. However, that was fulfilled by Leia being a part of the show. Thus, here is my rewrite of the second half: So, instead, what if Reva still finds Leia and we end episode III thinking everything is doomed. But then, to open episode IV, Leia uses her wits to escape, and she, Obi-Wan, and Tala get back to their ship just before Reva and Vader reach them. Every episode from the rest of IV-VI is a chase back to Alderaan. You can have Reva and Vader chase them down and get closer every episode, only for Obi-Wan, Leia, and Tala to escape at the last second. In episode V, you can still have Reva fight Vader and fly to Tatooine to kill Luke for revenge. You can still have Tala sacrifice herself in some way too. In episode VI, you can still have Obi-Wan and Vader fight (and Obi-Wan doing it to draw Vader out, possibly as Vader chases him and Leia on-planet), but not on a random planet--instead in the streets of Alderaan, and here, Obi-Wan fights Vader to protect Leia and buy her time while also protecting everyday civilians. This fulfills the same position in the story as the refugees, but it ties into everything in a far more satisfying way. After Obi-Wan defeats Vader, he races to Tatooine to protect Luke. Owen and Beru could be doing something else and not come, so it is up to Obi-Wan to protect Luke. Now, why am I not having Owen and Beru protect Luke? That goes to Bale and Breha to protect Leia. Vader, even in his defeated state, wants to break Obi-Wan (he has indicated that several times in the show), so he attempts to find Leia and kill her. Obviously we know that can't happen, but what if Bail and Breha put themselves in harm's way? We know Bail can't die, but he could come awfully close. Furthermore, since we don't see from Breha in any future films, she could sacrifice herself and not have in affect continuity (though don't kill her, but the real possibility would still be there). So, that could be used for tension. As for Leia being involved, the tension would not be whether she survives, but what will happen to Obi-Wan if he returns to find Vader holding her hostage/torturing her. Also, dramatic irony could be invoked in all of this, since we know Leia is Vader's daughter, but be doesn't know that. Meanwhile, things play out with Reva in a similar way, but Obi-Wan duels her in the process and wins. She is redeemed, but this time with added weight. Furthermore, since episodes IV-VI would comprise a lot of their time for chase scenes in space, this could allow for added introspection, furthering what we saw in the first half of the series. Those quieter moments could be used to the show's advantage while having a dreadful ticking clock of Vader and Reva closing in on them. Things end exactly the same way as it did in the finale, but with far more cohesion between the two halves.

@lucasoheyze4597

Жыл бұрын

It's by far the best of the Disney+ shows so far.

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

I have zero issues with the actress but I have no idea why this show focused so heavily on Reva. When you look at the show in hindsight, everything she was doing could have been done by Vader instead which would have also fleshed out his character more.

@smthcrazy

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% -- she felt shoe-horned in and I feel like the actress felt it, too. Bad show writing leaves good or great actors hung out to dry.

@227060

Жыл бұрын

They wanted to set her up for a spin off. My issue with the actress is she didn't act very well

@ChrisPTenders

Жыл бұрын

I think they needed a character that wasn't Vader because his awareness of her intent for betrayal, coupled with Palpatine's veiled threat at the end to cease the practice of dueling his old master, do a lot to set up why Vader is so subservient to the Emperor rather than ever taking his shot at his new master, and is instead so intent on finding someone to help him do it. He knows doing on his own would fail because of his experience with Reva. But it does suck they couldn't give her more compelling things to do before she fulfilled that role. Also, she was after the Skywalker kids, and Vader just isn't supposed to know about them yet, so it would break canon if it was him.

@imverygerby

Жыл бұрын

Also who survives a stab with a lightsaber 🙄🙄🙄

@OoXLR8oO

Жыл бұрын

Both were affected by Anakin’s turn to the dark side. However, they both approach Vader differently. That’s why I like Reva, she makes a good foil for what Kenobi is going through.

How, though, could Obi-Wan simply walk away from Vader with a clear conscience, knowing that Vader will continue to kill more innocent people?

@colechung7806

Жыл бұрын

It makes sense though I mean it is a prequel to the OG Trilogy

@zemox2534

Жыл бұрын

Not a good excuse. It just makes Knobi look like a bloody idiot

@darkfire7660

Жыл бұрын

@@colechung7806 But they could’ve done it in a way that made more sense. They could’ve had The Grand Inqusitor and the stormtroopers show up which forces Kenobi to flee.

@englishlady9797

11 ай бұрын

Yup, it makes him look like a total douchebag, failing to kill Vader live for a *Second* time. I don;t think Obi Wan had a problem with his conscience though: he always seemed to be able to delude himself into thinking his actions were morally right. Probably told himself Vader *chose* to keep living, or Will of the Force or something..

@DEMONX62

2 ай бұрын

They shouldn't ever had him fight vader again. They can show other people getting destroyed by vader but having multiple interactions with Obi wan before EP4 makes it feel cheap

“I don’t like the execution but I do like the idea” Sounds like a perfect summary of this series as a whole

@mewtwo.150

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! I felt it that same way Like Boba Fett How a director can manage to do episodes soooooo different in the same show For example the ones that Bryce did, were pure beauty, the rest.... well GO GO POWER RANGERS!!!! (Electric guitar solo)

@mewtwo.150

Жыл бұрын

@red racer It was bad and copied dude The camera angles were terrible and didn't feel as Star Wars at all The music, do you even remember it? Was dull and generic And again, the entire scene was a straight copy from the season 2 ending of Rebels Even the scene contradicts itself with other episode of THE SAME SERIES!!!! Remember? "I am what you made me" 3 Doritos later..... "I am not your failure Obi-Wan, I killed Anakin" What the hell???? Are the writers stup!d? The entire series is made with stup!d plots or think the audience is stup!d How Vader turns off the fire, to 3 seconds later can't do it, how Vader grabs a ship, to 3 seconds later can't do it Or Obi-Wan hiding Leia under the coat and nobody noticing it? lol what the hell is this show??? The entire saga is: -Leia is kidnaped -need time to escape -Leia is kidnaped (again) -need time to escape (again) -Final episode, a copy of Rebels season 2 ending So.... what was the series about? What was it purpose? What added to the other movies? Even why the hell they treated Obi-Wan as a traumatized man? In episode III was clear he was hurts but not traumatized Obi-Wan was a character built up to choose duty above all, he lost her loved one, he sees Maul kill her in front of his eyes, yet he continues with his duty Disney doesn't understand the characters Obi-Wan was on Tatooine to take care of Luke, not because he was traumatized Is the same sh*t they did for Luke If you liked the series is because you don't care Disney gives you the mid finger, because you don't understand the characters, don't care about plot holes and you are easily impressed by nostalgia

@TimLSim

Жыл бұрын

I personally thought they executed it well on most fronts, just not all given how lofty the expectations got when the show was officially announced after years of passionate speculation. Maybe this is another lesson in being excited for something but keeping expectations tempered?

@mewtwo.150

Жыл бұрын

Star Wars yes is a drama in science fiction But it doesn't mean it has to be stup!d and making no sense Again, put a child under your clothes to let it getting an airplane Let's see how it goes I'm more impressed of how people defend this sh*t

@mewtwo.150

Жыл бұрын

What you said, makes no sense, I gave you arguments but it seems you are as dumb as the people that wrote this series I'm done with you

*"...after more than fifteen years of waiting...."* Honestly, for me, that's one of the larger problems. It's pretty common that fandoms just want _more_ of their beloved franchise, but storytellers need to understand there are always going to be limits and necessities for their IPs. One of the best examples I can mention when it comes to an IP that was insanely creative, ultimately limited in its story scope, but forced into a bloated and artificially-expanded franchise is Jurassic Park. Not even The Lost World was a necessary addition, though it fits with the narrative, contrasts enough with its predecessor, and, of course, had its own Crichton-penned source material, but everything beyond that has proven to be an (inconsistently) entertaining, but ultimately increasingly lackluster and derivative tacked on continuation. Kenobi is no different. If this show had to exist, it honestly would've been far more appropriate to have it function as a quieter character study. The character moments between Obi-Wan and Leia were fine, but if he and Anakin were such close friends, there would be a naturally potent kinship he would feel for Anakin's only son.

@willfanofmanyii3751

Жыл бұрын

That last point is correct, which Disney failed to do. Lucas did say that watching Luke for those 19 years, Obi-Wan constantly had to stop himself from thinking of Anakin.

@zemox2534

Жыл бұрын

I think it be better to just let SW die already.

I've typed out massive essays about this show's nuanced issues, but I think I can best sum it up as: the soulful character writing was perfect, but the cartoon scenario writing was garbage. One heck of a mixed bag. It's incredibly upsetting that I both loved it and was annoyed, confused, and disappointed by it in equal measure.

@jpteknoman

Жыл бұрын

not to mention the complete butchering of canon that they tried to "fix" with throwaway nostalgia bait one liners.

@gilnorton3958

Жыл бұрын

Chis P, Owing to the rapier-like wit of your screen name is can see that you're an expert in nuanced writing and scenarios. Perhaps, instead of writing these little gems of erudition you should perhaps try getting a life

@m.israel2209

Жыл бұрын

My feelings exactly.

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

@scienceofnoises

Жыл бұрын

Soulful writing? Did we watch the same schlock show with paddling pool level character work?

The problem with Reva's redemption is that it seems illogical and kind of absurd that Obi Wan would just forgive he and let her go off and live her life. Who knows what kind of atrocities she's committed in the past, and she's proven more than once to be unstable and a wildcard. He's just endangering Luke by letting her go. Also, Vader and KyloRen were both redeemed, but they also paid for their sins. Does Reva not get any consequences for all the terrible things she's done?

@bigred6884

Жыл бұрын

I mean she got stabbed through the stomach

@peerapolchiaranunt5833

Жыл бұрын

*99%

@Struckbylightning79

Жыл бұрын

Why not? He let Vader go when he wasn’t redeemed. All stupid 🤦🏻‍♂️

@DEricKesler

Жыл бұрын

Punishment doesn’t really accomplish anything. Those that Reva have harmed aren’t going to be made whole by locking her up in a cell.

@sebastianbarron5063

Жыл бұрын

Although I definitely think that she got let off the hook too easily, i think theres an unspoken admittance of regret from Reva and a desire to atone for her sins in the future

You give this show way too much credit, Disney completely shit the bed on this one.

The show works well when it really focuses on Obi-Wan and Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. Whenever I try to rewatch some of the episodes, I usually end up skipping the parts that are not focused on those two. Young Leia also adds to the stakes and her relationship with Obi-Wan makes sense and is a highlight. Even though the show is flawed, I still like it for what it was going for

I would have appreciated a stronger brige between "I am what you made me" and "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did." Overall, my experience is positive over neutral or negative, but I do see the flaws. I think if they'd kept this a feature film with all of the best parts of the series with the weaker points diminished or absent because of time restraints, it could have been a home run (to borrow your metaphor)

@sacredxgeometry

Жыл бұрын

The show is hilariously bad. You should feel very negatively about it.

@user-ex9ti7ds3m

Жыл бұрын

@@sacredxgeometry We've seen much worse.

@Lobsterwithinternet

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ex9ti7ds3m Which doesn't make it better. Zombie 90 is a worse film than Twilight, it doesn't make Twilight or this good.

Kenobi putting a curbstomp beatdown on Vader is a problem because it totally undermines Luke's story; there isn't any point in Obi-Wan loitering around a cave grooming the Chosen One's son to kill him when he could have done it himself at any time. If he had forced a draw or won through a clever trick that would be one thing, but he just overwhelmed Vader in both duelling skill and Force power. Basically, Vader only even exists in the Original Trilogy now because Kenobi -- the true Chosen One, apparently -- didn't feel like executing him in this series. This refusal to kill Vader is inconsistent with both the Original Trilogy, where Kenobi encourages Luke to take him out, and Episode III, where Kenobi callously leaves Anakin to burn to death after lopping off his arm and legs. He'll happily kill Anakin right after he turned but not the much darker "Darth" who he believes has replaced his former padawan?? Stupid all around.

@cmath6454

Жыл бұрын

Not really because Palpatine would still be there- and the whole point of the Jedi going into Isolation was on side the empire, because they made alot of ridiculous mistakes they in their hubris had to come to terms with. At least the remaining. Luke arc still remains significant after this because Obi Wan had to get rid this guilt to provide the best guiding training to Luke, and the combination of Obi Wan/Yoda experiences and spending the Isolation understanding their mistakes makes Luke pushing Vader to fulfilling the Prophecy through pure selfless Jedi approach that much more realized and poignant

@cmath6454

Жыл бұрын

The prequels to original trilogy was more than just a Sith vs Jedi smack down bottom line. It was a pure explored light in dark dark in light and with as well the tenants of government and democracy exploration that was realized to Luke. Kenobi journey in this adds to it because he's handing guilt free the lesson to the next generation- Luke

@jahleel0077

Жыл бұрын

Very well put. I think in time, more people will realize how much this show disservices the canon

@tibz7634

Жыл бұрын

​@@cmath6454I hate people like you who try to make sense out of something that doesnt make sense.

@lumbagoboi1649

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, my issue with these new stories is now we have all sorts of powerful Jedi running around safe from the empire with plot armor. Why do we need Luke anyway if all the Jedi alive could basically just kill Vader and outsmart the empire whenever they need to. This stuff only lessens the impact of the original trilogy on the overall story.

The final exchange between Obi-Wan and Vader is definitely one of the strongest points in the entire franchise, at least

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I definitely agree with that even if the show as a whole was a let down. Happy we have that exchange.

@gqubed1

Жыл бұрын

It was copy paste from rebels Ahsoka vs Vader but whatever

@ronjohnson8881

Жыл бұрын

@@gqubed1 are we just gonna ignore how this entire show was just scenes taken from other parts of star wars? The Fortress Inquisitorious episode was nearly identical to Fallen Order's last mission i couldn't fucking believe it

@allennewberry2904

Жыл бұрын

Episode 6 was definitely worth the previous lackluster 5. I didn’t think they would pull off the finale but the fight and especially the final conversation between Vader and Obi Wan were both phenomenal. They should have focused on their relationship for the bulk of the series.

@SolidPain6624

Жыл бұрын

@@gqubed1 that’s true but Star Wars has ALWAYS been about “rhyming” with scenes. That’s just what it does. Nonetheless, it was still a very powerful scene and I hated this show for its mediocrity

“Utilize their surroundings, the elements were in play” literally describes the obi wan and vader fight in episode 6.

@victorleon67

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but what were their surroundings? Rocks. Just lots of grey, boring rocks. Couldn't they do the fight in a more varied and interesting place, with more elements that could make the fight more dynamic and unpredictable?

@Mike-jg9bi

Жыл бұрын

@@victorleon67 Right? Imagine having the Volume, where you can make the setting literally anything and you choose rocks.

I think the biggest problems are canon inconsistencies and bad overall writing. Also, why did reva want to kill Luke? She has no reason to believe that he and Vader are related, and yet it’s framed as her taking revenge against him??? What? It would have made way more sense for her to go after Luke for revenge against obi wan for abandoning her to fight Vader alone. And that’s just one problem with the writing that’s really only the tip of the iceberg. The show was surface level fun, but beyond that it has serious issues that prevent me from truly appreciating it. Heck, even the lightsaber choreography in the final episode looked way too staged to me, and I’m not that picky usually. Still better than book of boba fett at least.

@mewtwo.150

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the scene shooting angles, and the dull music

@johnbarnes7949

Жыл бұрын

Reva hunting Luke really doesn’t make any sense. It didn’t need to happen, the stakes don’t even involve Kenobi. It’s also weird that Owen and Beru can stand against an inquisitor, but also get smoked by a few storm troopers later on.

@RTU130

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@blaze556922

Жыл бұрын

they indicated that she was able to put together that Luke was Vader's son. that was obvious

@peksix2173

Жыл бұрын

@@blaze556922 So your explanation for Reva figuring out that Luke is related to Vader is ”she was able to do it”. How was she able to do it? In the message Bail said ”If he has found you, if he has learned of the children, I’ll leave to Tatooine. Owen, help the boy”. Bail could be talking about any force sensitive children here. He doesn’t imply that they are Vader’s kids. The message itself was also a very idiotic plot point that didn’t make any sense. Why would Bail send a message to Kenobi if he believes that he has been caught. Some of the writing in this show is simply not good.

The show is a solid 3, maybe 4/10. Mostly because of nostalgia and 2 lightsaber fights in the last few episodes.

@JonP1245

Жыл бұрын

@red racer Honestly saying “not a fan” is more of a compliment. Cause who wants to be apart of one of the most childish and toxic fandoms am I right?

I think a second season would be stretching it too much. There wouldn't be able to be a saber fight, or any encounters with the empire, and the only way to do it would be to just do all of this over again. There would be no point. However... I personally would really like to see Qui Gon and Kenobi interact more once again... maybe in the Ahsoka show?

@joeyskywalker1322

Жыл бұрын

Ashoka show takes place after ROTJ

@wednesdayapril5435

Жыл бұрын

Or they may go with a idea i heard floating around that they would retcon mauls death so we could get another season. I hope they don't do this but honestly this show killed the last shread of interest ive had with the films/shows so fuck it why not

My only issues with the show and they are big would be solved by having the reva Leia story being its own show.. Litteraly any time they took away screentime from Ewan or Hayden I groaned.. Not because it was bad (though it wasn't great) but because we came here to catch on Obi Wan and ani.. Not to have an entire adventure with young Leia that she totaly forgets about for the rest of the Skywalker saga

@_ee75

Жыл бұрын

but a show with only the characters obi wan and vader wouldnt work??? What kind of show would that be I thought the Idea of bringing leia in was genius. I just think reva wasnt written well

@mullaoslo

Жыл бұрын

@@_ee75 why do you assume it would only be them? There would be other characters in each episodes but the plot would always be focused on obi and ani insted of cutting away to what is Leia up to or look reva is chasing a boi we know is going to live..

@Gumby-vx7ki

Жыл бұрын

This is typical issue with every streaming series I have watched. There is always filler that does not advance the story. I was fine with the Leia and Reva stuff. Though, I did start getting tired of the "I'm Reva, and I'm angry all the time!" bits.

@_ee75

Жыл бұрын

@@Gumby-vx7ki but honestly .... in a 6 episode MINI SERIES??? There are no excuses for fillers in that I think you could cut a really cool 2,5 hour movie from the kenobi show honestly ...

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

Star wars is at its best when it's about the relationships between the characters. The problem with Kenobi is easily identified, it's not about Obi-Wan Kenobi. The whole show should have been the dynamic between Obi-Wan and Vader and the ramifications of what happened between them. Instead we got another Disney bait and switch, with the promise of a character we know being used to push on us a character we've never seen and frankly couldn't care less about. That's without considering the glaring script mistakes and potholes that the show introduces besides

@Lobsterwithinternet

Жыл бұрын

Nope, the problem is that this show should have never been greenlit in it's current form.

@sonic-bb

Жыл бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet the problem is the fact that the show shouldnt exist. Obiwan wasnt on tatooine to forget about being a jedi... They literally forgot why he's there in the first place.

@Lightguardian_HOH

9 ай бұрын

The problem is that the show broke canon

@zacqueeentertainment7336

Ай бұрын

Preach.

I miss when Star Wars had legendary set pieces you could make awesome Lego sets out of.

So, any aspiring editors out there who want to edit this series down to a more succinct stanalone movie like Rogue One?

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see it!

@lyndabethcave3835

Жыл бұрын

Tell me how to get the footage and I'll do it.

The series you talk about in this video sounds amazingly deep, well written and well acted... unfortunately it doesn't sound anything like the absolute dumpster fire that Disney puked out

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Yep...exactly. I mean some of it hits, but it largely does fail to live up to the promise.

@cruizerdave

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. He makes it sound way better than it was.

I'm glad someone else has pointed out how boring the new gritty thing is with all these movies. Star wars is a space opera, it needs some grandiosity.

Honestly seeing people say they loved this show kills my faith in humanity. Even if you loved the duels etc. how does one overlook the fact that, just like The Rise of Skywalker (which ret-conned Vader being foretold to destroy the Sith, essentially RUINING his entire character arc) this show retcons Ep IV A New Hope. In that film Leia clearly doesn't know who Obi Wan is when she records her SoS. Also Luke is shown to have lived a boring farm boy's life, that of one who has definitely never seen anyone wielding a lightsaber. Are the two of them, especially Leia who is often portrayed to have the mental acuity of a high IQ adult, gonna suddenly forget these events? Seriously, fuck this show and fuck Disney SW.

@Theforsakenmedia

Жыл бұрын

actually the prophecy never said anything about destroying the sith and that being how to bring balance to the force. That was how the jedi perceived the prophecy but Anakin and even Sidious viewed the prophecy completely differently. Sidious saw the balance to the force as the Jedi and the Light had dominated the galaxy for 1000 years and Anakin brought balance by now allowing the dark side and the Sith to now dominate the galaxy. It still blows my fucking mind that people think that the most powerful sith lord that ever lived who manipulated the entire galaxy, wiped out the jedi and republic, created a galactic empire, turned the jedi's "chosen one" against them etc. would not have a plan B in case he died. Even Ian MacDiarmid didn't think the emperor should have been truly dead after being tossed over the edge. Return of the Jedi and Vader's sacrifice wasn't for nothing for fuck sakes because he turned back to the light Luke got to live! Plus it took down the empire because the emperor was forced to essence transfer into a body that wasn't ready so he was essentially just stuck there decaying and only able to use his immense dark side powers to influence the galaxy from Exogol. Don't get me wrong Rise of Skywalker was shitty and how they ended up killing Sidious for good was even shittier and a slap in the face of the most powerful Sith lord of all time and Ian MacDiarmid.... but people can't seem to grasp that the whole chosen one prophecy "misread could have been" as Yoda even said in episode 3. The Sith had their own chosen one called the Sithari and supposedly it's argued Sidious was the Sithari having a higher midichlorian count than yoda even at 20,000 and wiping out thousands of jedi. People saying that Sidious coming back ruins Vader's redemption seem to forget that if he hadn't redeemed himself Luke would be dead and the emperor would still rule the galaxy for hundreds more years and Vader would have eventually been either killed by Sidious for a better apprentice or die of old age. My point is Anakin's redemption wasn't for nothing just because Sidious came back and bringing balance to the force is just a concept made up by the sith and jedi. there is only the force. The force doesn't technically have just pure dark side abilities or pure light side abilities. The jedi and Sith are just 2 cults that choose to use the force in specific ways. the jedi aren't all corrupted like the sith because the sith bend the force's will to achieve their goals and try to dominate the force.

@reddingmalik

Жыл бұрын

I had to screen shot this!!! This is exactly how I feel. Thank you for articulating my thoughts exactly

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

It's just sad that we're trying to figure out which series is the least worst. So much acting talent and passion wasted by horrible writing and directing over and over again.

You SHOULD notice that tini tiny little factor that obi wan should have, MUST HAVE killed Vader after the duel. This is not about his redemption, but to save millions of innocent people, and defeat the Empire. Writing is below terrible, and I feel that you try actively ignore this.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

I made a video talking about how disappointed I was by the show lol idk how I'm "ignoring" it. For me, it makes complete sense that Obi-Wan doesn't kill Anakin. Obi-Wan can NEVER bare to actually kill him, he never wants to, call it a personality flaw or whatever. He wants to reason with him and when he sees that’s lost, he just says goodbye. He also understands that while he may have failed Anakin or at least failed to bring him back to the light, that Anakin is not beyond saving, that there is hope embodied by his children that can save the galaxy and possibly the soul of their father. It’s also kinda in line with why he didn’t kill Vader in Episode 3 or 4. He simply cannot muster up the emotional strength to kill his brother who he loves more than anything. I think he pitied Vader at the end of that fight if anything else, pitied the fact that he cared so much about beating his mentor, and Obi-Wan just didn’t care about a battle of ego. It was sad. The closest Ben ever gets to killing Anakin is not saving him as he's engulfed by flames at the end of Episode 3. Even in Episode 4, Ben refuses to actually fight to kill Darth culminating with Ben inviting his own death.

@gabrielreed1096

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmSpeak I have to disagree with this. At the end of this fight, Vader tells Obi that Anakin is dead, and Obi agrees, saying that his friend really is gone. Then he says "Goodbye Darth". Not "Goodbye Anakin", or "Old Friend ". Just "Darth". He understands that the Anakin he knew is gone, and is nothing but evil. The Original Trilogy stresses this point, because Obi Wan tells Luke that he must kill Vader. He doesn't think his children can save him. He hopes that they will be the ones to destroy him. Obi sees no good in Vader. I can understand why he didn't deliver the finishing blow on Mustafar, because he couldn't bear to strike down his brother, but that was ultimately a mistake. The show even frames this as a mistake that Obi Wan needs to reconcile. It's brought up by Vader in their rematch in episode 3 of Kenobi, and throughout the show Obi Wan feels guilt about allowing Vader to live. Considering all of this, it's extremely out of character, and downright stupid for Obi Wan to make the same mistake a second time, especially after a part of his character arc was coming to terms with the fact that he created Vader by letting him live on Mustafar. He knew what letting Vader live again meant, but he did it anyway. Every graveyard that Vader fills between the end of this show and the end of ROTJ is Obi Wan's fault. It's just bad writing. There's no excuse for it

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielreed1096 it’s hard for someone to kill their brother

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

@gabrielreed1096

Жыл бұрын

@@oXRaptorzXo Of course it is, but Obi Wan no longer sees Vader as his brother, he no longer sees him as the Anakin he knew. That's why allowing him to live can't be excused for a second time

While Vader vs. Kenobi round 2 channels the emotional weight of Ahsoka and Vader in Rebels, this series goes heavy on the ties to Jedi: Fallen Order. Wish this show could’ve stuck the landing on directing and writing execution since the parallels between them work, especially between Reva Third Sister and Trilla Second Sister.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

100% agree

@ic0nic707

Жыл бұрын

I thought the Vader fight was very meh personally

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@ic0nic707 agree to disagree

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

I loved episodes 5 & 6, they were so great. I feel like the show should’ve focused on Vader and Obi-Wan more, and not really the inquisitors. To be honest, I didn’t like Reva at all, I feel like her character was paired with bad writing, etc. The emotional standpoint of episode 6 though, was just, amazing.

@Lobsterwithinternet

Жыл бұрын

The problem with that is that you have to take a sledgehammer to the OT since this isn't just a fun fanfiction but a part of the Canon now.

@d7c388

Жыл бұрын

At least she’s better than GUNRAY. Calling GR a character would be generous.

@ethanstarbuck3124

Жыл бұрын

@@d7c388 Gunray wasn’t a central character though. Reva honestly has almost as much screen time as Obi-Wan. So yeah, I’d say she’s worse than Gunray

These are my problems with the show: The moment i heard that Vader and Obi-Wan were gonna fight again i was worried, cause if one gains the upper hand and manages to beat the other how can they not kill each other. How can Obi-Wan walk away believing Vader has fully consumed Anakin and he was nothing but heartless evil monster. Reva surviving getting stabbed by Vader twice, once as a youngling. Reva knowing Vader is Anakin and knows the whereabouts of Luke. Vader knowing Reva was alive as a youngling and choosing not to finish the job, therefore hesitating when Palpatine told him not to in order to grow strong enough to save Padme. Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine and therefore leaving Luke knowing he could be killed by the empire or Tuskin Raiders if they come to the house. Bail Organa knowing how important it is for Obi-Wan to protect Luke but asks him to leave anyway when he could have hired elite bounty hunters to go and save Leia. Obi-Wan cutting himself off from the force when Yoda said he had training for him and making it difficult or impossible to protect Luke from the empire or Tuskin Raiders.

I laughed so much when uncle Owen almost killed a inquisitor, reminds me so much of when zeb outsmarted the fifth brother it really just took away all the fear of the inquisitors

@betterlatethannever4529

Жыл бұрын

In Legends, didn't he kill Maul?

This series was a 3/10. The potential was everywhere with the characters and story. But they failed after every turn. Feel as if you are giving the writers more credit they deserve by filling in the massive holes in the plot, characters, and overall content of the series. It was utter crap.

@LipziG3R

Жыл бұрын

@red racer Is that all you have to say "not a fan" if people dislike something? Or do you actually have any arguments? Guess that might be a bit much for you, tho?

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

@LipziG3R

Жыл бұрын

@red racer Most Vader parts he's not behaving anything like Vader, tho. Not compared to EU and not to Canon, either. The duel was ... weird. I mean throwing some rocks at a Jedi and then just walking way? Expecting what exactly? It was one of the better parts for sure and had its moments. But even that part had issues. I mean I've read about every canon and EU book that is out there. I've been a StarWars fan for decades. But this show made me just sad. Yes, it had nice moments but they were few and far between. I mean if I'd do a supercut of all that I liked I'd probably end up with a 5 minute Video. That's not enough for 6 episodes of a character show that doesn't even focus on the character most of the time. I don't like to value a show for just a few individual scenes, while everything around it is really quite bad.

@LipziG3R

Жыл бұрын

@red racer I was explaining my view, not making a point. If you wanna know about reasons why this show sucks, there's about 100 yt videos about that, articles written etc. Including big StarWars fans and neutral people. So far you haven't made any point, nor any arguments that hold. You just claim something that doesn't even make sense and that's it. But I guess a conversation isn't your goal anyways, either because you're a sorry little troll or you're not able to uphold a neutral conversation. Have a nice day.

Hit the nail on the head with this one - Obi-Wan is like that strange kid in class who's somehow super talented at paintball.

If Vader can't even lift his arms over his shoulders, why would you expect him to fight as he did in episode 3? He's heavy and clunky and left all his fluid agility back on Mustafar.

@MicahGoodhue

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. Same with Obi-Wan, being old and not using a lightsaber, let alone facing a Sith, in forever. Completely intentional

The Inquisitors didn't do jack shit in the show. Cut them out and you lose nothing. And Reva was imposing? Bruh.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

I mean I definitely agree with the first part. I liked the concept of Inquisitors hunting the remaining Jedi and how Ben would play into that, but then it shifts gears completely into other things and you're right they almost feel like an afterthought. A lot of strange decisions and inclusions of characters for the sake of generating hype.

@salvadorHombre

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmSpeak This show is a trashfire on so many levels. You're too generous with it. As for the "amazing" last 2 episodes? Fanservice, ripping off Rebels and some meme dialogue doesn't instantly redeem all the crap around it. The show turned Obi Wan into a failure who failed to protect Luke horribly. There was nothing there to stop Reva from killing Luke. And don't say Obi Wan did jack to change Reva's heart. It turned Obi Wan into an irresponsible asshole whose second unforgivable failure to kill Vader will cause all the deaths of the future.

I personally liked this series it wasn’t perfect far from it but I thought it was a good obi wan story at least in my opinion.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

I'm really glad you liked it!

@TevyaSmolka

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmSpeak thank you and honestly If you dislike this show that's fine because at the end of the day we all have are own opinions :).

@geetadhumane5793

Жыл бұрын

Same it wasn't perfect...But it was almost the best story from Disney Star Wars

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

@TheStacanova

Жыл бұрын

@@TevyaSmolka If you don’t mind, here’s a question, I’m not trying to be rude or anything, I’m more curious how people can enjoy something that is so broken from a storytelling and logic aspect, that it becomes distracting. It doesn’t bother you that there’s no reason for Reva to want to kill Luke? Or how Reva survived being stabbed twice? Or how Reva travelled to Tatooine? Or for the Empire to have a Star destroyer follow Obi Wan, instead of having Vader follow Obi Wan in his small ship, at that point and the Star Destroyer continue to follow the larger ship? Or how Bail Organa isn’t arrested for treason, since the Grand Inquisitor knew Reva’s plan to draw out Obi-Wan and it worked? Or how Leia has zero feeling about ObiWan dying in a New Hope? Or how Force powers are significantly stronger in this series, than in the 3 films preceding it and the 3 films following it? Or how the plot seems to completely function on contrivances or the characters making poor decisions? Or how no one is ever clever in the entire series, every decision is poor, it’s just sometimes things work out? How did Obi Wan become weak in the force, how did he get it back? How did Obi Wan plan to protect Luke with no force and his lightsaber buried? If he had lost the ability to protect Luke, why be near him, that just puts Luke in potential danger? Why did Obi become someone who runs away or uses someone as a human shield? Or why is Obi being constantly saved by everyone else? Or why does the show want/expect the audience to see Reva as “good” now, that’s a bad message? Or why does the Empire military not operate in anyway like a military. Or why is Leia either as brilliant or as dumb as the scene needs her to be? Or why is a ten year old treated like an adult? Or if Luke and Leia are twins, why is Leia shown as more capable than Luke in every possible way, even though Luke is growing up in a harsher environment? Or why does Luke’s Aunt have blasters hidden, that the Uncle seems unaware of? What do they use to defend themselves from the Sandpeople? Or why does Reva’s power to extract information with the force, seem to come and go between episode? Or why is everything so dark, not in tone, but I can’t see anyone, and why is the camera awkwardly shaking, are they trying to hide to poor fight choreography? Is that why the force ends every lightsaber duel, can’t a lightsaber duel be won with a lightsaber? I can keep going, but I’ll stop now.

I heard Kathleen was a big reason why there were so many problems with this series. She had a lot of scenes cut from the finale and even an arc that would have Yoda teaching Obi Wan how to speak with Qui Gon's force ghost. So you are right it feels like there are scenes missing cause there are scenes missing. I heard an extended cut of episode 6 will release in early 2023 with a new version of John Williams Duel of the Fates track (done by him aswell) during Vader and Obi Wans duel and extra scenes.

@R4G34D0N

Жыл бұрын

Dont give me hope

@MarkHoltze

Жыл бұрын

Why would they want to release a more flushed out cut? Can you cite sources on this? I find it highly unlikely and Williams is officially retired from music film composing so was all this pre-recorded?

Reva’s supposed “redemption” was really bad. She was trained to kill men women and children, she did that, but she wanted to kill Aniken for doing the same thing. Ok lady

I thought this series was going to be starwars John Wick

Great video, with some (to me) novel observations making the video well worth it. And I love “He always has high ground.” Very well said. I do have one minor note: Several times, when discussing unsupported changes in tone, such as in episode six when they cut back to the ship with Leia being suddenly angry at Kenobi. Here and elsewhere, you describe how it seems as if a scene had been “lifted” from the episode. This is a (again, small) problem, because that doesn’t actually mean what you intended. To “lift” something from a story is to reproduce it elsewhere. For example, you could easily say some of Kenobi’s scenes were lifted from the Fallen Order game. What I think you meant to say was “pulled” or, as you use it elsewhere, “excised”. Anyway, just a heads up.

really glad you point out the lack of energy and creativity in the duels of this series compared to those in the prequels. i was so disappointed by the total lack of acrobatics that was so typical of the prequels cause it really just seemed to age obi-wan and make him seem much less competent in my opinion. in particular, when vader sends a force shockwave of sorts to destroy the earth obi-wan is standing on and it actually works, i was like why tf didn’t obi-wan just force jump away to evade it???

@kendrathompson5207

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you to some extent. But when Vader and Obi-wan meet in A New Hope, their duel there is quite tame in comparison to the prequels. I guess for this they had to do something in between for consistency

The show should’ve *started* with Qui Gon communing with Obi Wan. Just a voice, as Obi Wan is tormented by flashback fever dreams. This would’ve given Anakin AND Qui Gon more to do, while we see Obi Wan struggle with his emotional torment. That’s what we all wanted to see.

the only part i smiled at and enjoyed was in the finale when obi wan said hello there to luke. everything else takes away from obi wan and vaders meeting in a new hope

Hey man, first of all I love your reviews, you really know how to digest films/series. Great content! ⚠️following can be considered toxic venting⚠️ Reva is a character that was used as a plot device. Her growth seemed forced, her lines felt flat - interesting character; poor writing/ directing. Too much time was focused on her; ffs why is the beginning of the whole series her back story?! It’s called Obi-Wan (it was hard for me to invest in her character at all - most of the focus of Ben felt interrupted by her character; nothing against the actress). Just venting, so much potential wasted in something that imho felt mediocre (just as it has been for Disney since it bought the franchise). It was nice seeing Ewan and Hayden again, like you said most of the heavy lifting was these two putting in the effort. 5/10 - would’ve loved to see something darker (Ik I’m expecting too much from Disney’s exec).

You lost me at this being better than Boba Fett and The Mandalorian season 2

@melissalayson7275

Жыл бұрын

In a way it was better than The Book of Boba Fett in my opinion because I actually watched all it. I couldn't make through the second episode of the Book of Boba Fett because it was so boring.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a bad series and one that does more harm than good to the Star Wars universe. It raises numerous questions about A New Hope, damaging that film with important questions that this show has crowbarred into the lore.

don’t forget Obi Wan is now responsible for every single death from Vader after this. This is like letting Hitler go lol. Nice one writers. Should have written in something that FORCES obiwan to leave. Volunteering makes him just responsible.

@limawhiskey7451

Жыл бұрын

he even says "I will do what I must" but then just walks away 😂

@survivingparadisepodcast

Жыл бұрын

I was laughing that he went to Alderaan to say goodbye to Leia, only to be reponsible for Alderaan being blown to bits in a New Hope.....horrific writing.

After 7 years, the fact that Disney STILL doesn’t have a plan, besides “making the universe bigger” by making more spin-off shows, ALL OF WHICH pretty much have the same vibe, since it’s the same people making them is really insulting to the fans.

@maxshapiro078

Жыл бұрын

Except they’re not even doing that because they’re returning to the same characters and time periods over and over again

I loved the interaction between Owen and Obi-Wan and Leia and Obi-Wan, some Vader scenes were great and Reva is a great example of why the Inquisitors are inferior to both Jedi and Sith. Plotholes and mistakes in logic are kinda shitty as are some sequences but the nostalgia and those characters and actors saved it for me. Tbf tho only episodes 1 and 6 of Kenobi lived up to my expectations

Reva's final battle should have absolutely been against Kenobi instead of the Lars'. With Ben knowing what he learned about her in episode 5, he is on the defense the entire fight, not wanting to kill her, and trying to get her to see that she isn't hunting vader but becoming him. With her collapsing under the grief of that realization and turning off her saber, then we get the very same scene we had between her and Kenobi with him telling her that she is honoring her fellow younglings by ending the hunt. That would also allow Obi-wan to have fulfilled his purpose of protecting Luke, as opposed to no harm coming to Luke ONLY through plot necessity.

It was pathetic and made by people who have no idea what they're doing and they couldnt care less. They threw together the literal bare minimum.

I thought this would be another “fandom menace” nitpicking video. But this was well done. The fact that I’m watching videos on this show on KZread says a lot. Many of Disney wars has been forgettable. But this show is a rare gem, however, very flawed. And it’s good to see people criticize it without totally trashing it. Great video.

@galacto8769

Жыл бұрын

Based comment. Love to see people praise content from people they don’t agree with… reminds me that discourse can still be had in this day and age XD

@achaudhari101

Жыл бұрын

What is considered forgettable?

@blaze556922

Жыл бұрын

nah... it's all just negativity for the sake of clicks. channels like that are more popular than ones that actually just enjoy movies and TV shows. we live in an age of bash culture

@dellboi1984

Жыл бұрын

well considering the only explanation for much of this show to exist, is for Leia herself to FORGET this all happened, kind of adds weight to your premise that disney wars is forgettable xD

@jibriel4200

Жыл бұрын

@@blaze556922 It's not negativity if the person is literally going into detail about the show. Just because you guys eat up Disney shows like junk food doesn't mean others do, and the recent stuff disney has been putting out has been horrible especially coming from the biggest entertainment company in the world,

The way you started this review, I thought we were going to be about on the same page, but you ended up being way more positive than I expected. I, too, thought Obi-Wan's performance and Leia's performance were very good, but Reva just left me wishing she wasn't there. To be honest, the very ending would have worked better for me if it really HAD been a Tusken Raider attack and Obi-Wan had to rush back to save Luke from that. It would have fit better in canon, especially given what happened to Owen's dad. And it still would have reminded everybody how important Obi-Wan was in looking after Luke. Reva could have just been another menacing inquisitor without trying to force her development onto a story that bore another character's name in the title. And we wouldn't be left with a rogue character out there who knows about Luke.

@TGerreGT

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I mean, I expected this video to be at least in the ballpark with my opinion, but it ended up being quite forgiving. It could've been soooooo much better, I don't even know where to start. Maybe the only thing I actually liked is Owen being actually, legitimatley tough on Obi-Wan. That was on point. Everything else is just...meh. Not the absolute worst, but nowhere near good either.

Mando season 2 and Bobba were better than the Obi show. Writing, directing, and of course by not reckoning the OG film. They shouldn’t have fought yet, and making up a relationship with Leia that now makes her message make no sense and seeing Ben again and reaction to his death as being cold hearted. She didn’t react at all in Ep. 4, even when consoling Luke. Now because of the show Leia has a deeper relationship with Ben than alike and she feels nothing. Fan service trash. I don’t mind it when it makes sense. None of this did.

To me it is clear that the directors had issues in figuring out how to tie up Reva's arc together with Luke and Obiwan all together, which is why we get this giant teleportation of Reva from the siege battle to be mortally wounded and left to die and then suddenly her appearing on Tattoine, while Darth Vader is still pursuing the refugees transport ship that just left. I personally think it would have been better if Reva's arc ended before Obi-wan had his final duel with Darth vader. Like have obi-wan see Reva's reluctance in also becoming like Darth Vader and have this scene between Reva and Obi-wan be the one thing that could spure Obi-wan on to also finally face Darth Vader like how Reva faced her internal demon. And have the the fight continue as it did with Darth Vader first winning and then Obi-wan having a come back. I would have felt much heavier. Felt a fair bit robbed after the Darth Vader fight when it cut over to Reva / Luke ... The weight continue to shift from a season climax to a side story, since it continued to cut back and forth between Reva/Luke & Obi-wan/Darth Vader Another issues that I had is the multitudes of seasons endings scenes. Like in the last episode near the end I would sit there thinkign "the end" and another scene pops up. 1: first we see Darth Vader sitting on this throne promising vengeanse

@reddingmalik

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@reddingmalik

Жыл бұрын

I was seriously confused

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

For me, the serious was worth it for the Vader/Obi stuff alone. Yeah it wasn't perfect but that last scene with the two is amazing and beautifully acted and I hope Hayden gets the props he deserves for what he managed to pull off while only seeing a third of the guys face. I didn't mind Reva and really don't get the hate but I agree more could have been done with the character. As someone who grew up with the Prequels it gave me a great sense of closure and I sort of hope McGregor doesn't come back again and it was a great send off for his as an actor playing that role. If they have to do anything else I would just want a Vader tv series but weirdly enough they have never shown any interest in utilising it's most intriguing character in live action so I imagine this series is all we will get. Edit: Forgot to say, the kid playing Leia was really, really good. From the first line it surprised me how much she acted just like Carrier Fisher and it was really fun to watch.

@kotkitv

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's a good idea to play the Vader card at this point. Disney proves to us that Star Wars is not a story but a brand. Money makes them make series / movies cheap, bland, without an idea for a story. They only put their beloved characters on us to encourage us to watch. Characters are spoiled by a weak scenario, making them "out of the character" (for example Luke - from hopeful loving and forgiving to a bitter old loner). Obi Wan has his VERY good emotional scenes, but it's not the script / directing, but the actors' heart for the characters and the foundation that was made years ago (prequels). I owe nothing to the creator. If this were any other series from a different banner and the main characters were not Vader / Obi Wan, it would be a bad series. Disney knows about it, which is why it allows itself to do something like this. There is no love for Star Wars out there. And I don't trust them enough to let them do anything with the Vader character at the moment. You can see that they do not understand the world and I would not like them to experiment with canonical characters anymore. I can let them creat a new story with new characyer and if they'll faild it be easier to deal with it (than with sequels - Leia dead, Han dead, Skylwaker's legacy dead, Anakin's pointless sacrifice and more) and if they are doing something unusual, it will be a sign in the right direction. I hope for they'll learned one day... But I don't think so. Only money have matters and sadly it's true. I can write very long about that....

@kotkitv

Жыл бұрын

One more thing - Vader's story is amazing! The most complex, deep, the most tragic and expressive character in the history of cinematography! but I believe that being so spared in the movies / series and showing little of him makes him an even more mysterious character. The "Vader Card" should not be used anytime you want, it should be like the dessert you are waiting for for your entire dinner. In my opinion, it gives strength of character, mystery and myth. It works, which is why Anakin's unveiling in the final episode was hefty. (amazing scene! Ewan and Hayden smash that!) We don't know what Vader hides, what he feels for real. we guess, but we don't know. Maybe Anakin is still there, brooding and igniting self-hatred to become his alter ego, or is he just Vader and Anakin is muffled somewhere inside? Who knows how he is in lonliness ... But I like these kinds of myths. And I would be afraid that all this "Vader legend" would lose a lot if he got his own series, and seeing how bad the Star Wars productions look and what they doing with loved characters it not helps - I just don't want to, because I'm afraid for my favorite character, even though I love Hayden and I want see him more in this character (Anakin / Vader), because it deserves recognition. But I don't really trust Disney ... Gosh ... It's hard to be a Star Wars fan...

The overall themes were there, but they didn’t do enough to flesh them out.

There were parts that were ok I guess.. But the writing was just plain awful. Bail sending that hologram in ep5 was the stupidest thing in the entire existence of Star Wars. The Reva character made absolutely no sense. Also, you can be gutted by a light saber (twice), be perfectly fine, fly a ship you didn’t have to Tatooine in like two minutes to kill a kid you have no reason to want to kill in the name of “justice”.

Describing this show as 'okay-ish' really misses the point of how bad it was. It perfectly encapsulates the image Disneys has of its fans: Stupid nerds they can dish out anything to. Unfortunately I have Disney+, but if I would have pirated this show, I still would have feeled scammed

75 steps undetected with Leia under his coat during an alert where everyone was looking for them insults our intelligence and can never be forgiven

@sdembowy

Жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud when I saw it and couldn’t believe my eyes. Not to mention warping or openly breaking cannon throughout this show where you could take it in so many different direction. Just lazy writing.

I actually quite liked what we got here. Yh, it was a bit fan servicey at times, but it was at least nice to see Ewan and Hayden again, even if they were only on screen together for one small scene

@DFTNSHEXGRM

Жыл бұрын

And it’s because of people like you that continue to give this kind of subpar, basic ass storytelling a pass, simply because they bait you with nostalgia; that we will continue to get surface level Star Wars content. I enjoyed seeing the two back as well but at the same time that’s not enough to redeem all the plot conveniences and horrible story beats that went no where, stuffed with new characters that don’t matter.. This show should’ve been way better than what we got.

@ic0nic707

Жыл бұрын

@@DFTNSHEXGRM I agree but, quality is subjective. Don’t need to be so rude to the guy.

@strikerbowls791

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't good

@DFTNSHEXGRM

Жыл бұрын

@@ic0nic707 Sometimes you gotta say the truth instead of tap dancing around people’s feelings. I hate when people lean on “art is subjective” as a crutch to combat actual criticism.

@mullaoslo

Жыл бұрын

Hayden is in the suit most of time.. He has a stunt double for scenes that he can't do for insurance reasons and a body double for when his height needs to be faked.. So basicly any time we see just Darth its hayden.. He doesn't care we can't see his face or hear his voice.. He's just a kid who wanted to be in the official suit again.. So he did both showdowns with Obi Wan just supplemented by others (like any other version of darth)

My biggest problem with the show is the inciting incident itself. It's riddled with issues. Inciting incident: Leia's kidnapping. First of all. She's the "daughter" of an Emperial Senator/King of Alderan. It would not be suspicious in the slightest for them to use their Royal Guard to find her, or even imperial forces themselves. U know what would be suspicious though? If they hired a Jedi and if that Jedi was seen with her. This would put the entire Organa family on some kind of terrorist list, would it not? Bail Organa's career should be fucked but for some reason, he's just fine. Second of all. Obi wan. He is the LAST person you should ask for help simply because he knows just how important she is. The show wants us to think this is the reason he SHOULD go, but that's dumb. He needs to remain inconspicuous. He's the only one who knows Leia is Anakin's daughter, and the inquisitors are specifically hunting him and other Jedi down. Third, why isn't Reva taken into custody once the other inquisitors learn of her kidnapping the daughter of an Empire Official? Good for her, the military she serves isn't very competent. Fourth of all, obi wan literally just saw three inquisitors on Tatooine, yet still decides to leave which leaves Luke undefended. His main mission is to protect Luke. Why leave the day after seeing three people who are specifically known for hunting down and enslaving/killing force sensitive children? I can probably find more issues if I think about it more. But these are the surface level ones.

The issue with this show is that it serves two masters and ends up being a terrible apprentice to both: It wants to be a "dark, gritty" drama like Logan or Joker but also wants to be a kids show that feels like its been processed through a thousand focus groups so that it "hits all the right metrics." The end result is that it feels like a pretty bad imitation of an HBO miniseries and a live action Nickelodeon sitcom.

I think the show was weirdly average and then the final two episodes are fantastic but it makes you think.. why the fuck couldn’t have been this good the entire time?

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

haha I know...part of the reason why I think they had no idea how to make this a series with the story they had. It was definitely geared towards being a movie.

@limawhiskey7451

Жыл бұрын

the final two episodes simply went all out on the nostalgia, that's all.

Good stuff man. Keep it up!

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Thank you dude! Really appreciate that.

I think the "lightsaber blades as the only light source" thing works really well in the first Obi-Wan/Vader duel. But yeah, the climax could've used some backlighting or something.

The writing and acting by Ingram and whoever played baby Leia, was God awful. There are literally thousands of more qualified people to fill those roles.

Watched the whole thing, yes ..yes.. yes! Great content, music, editing! Thank u my friend!

I blame the team hired to do it. Looked so cheap, and with that budget per episode? Mmkay.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it still blows my mind that a company with this many resources churned out a show about a beloved character that looks this boring...

the huge problem with the show, to me at least, is the lack of creativity. It is yet another show about a legacy character that doesn't care if it's plot makes sense and with new characters that no one cares for set on Tatooine. I'm so tired of it. All the Disney Wars shows are basically the same to me, with the exact same problems. But Disney doesn't care about quality or creativiy. No one came up with a great story, and they made that into a show. They wanted a Kenobi show because he is popular and then reverse engineered a plot around it.

On your points about scenes missing or being lifted out of the show, I have heard that some scenes or story points were removed because they felt they ould be used for a Kenobi Season 2. This is a rumor but it might be why they show felt cut down and scenes were ocassionaly choppy.

Overall, I thought this show was alright. It was bad sometimes but had some good moments. The writing was my biggest issue and I kinda wish we would have gotten the darker version. It was still nice seeing Ewan and Hyden back and I differently liked the final duel at the end but I felt that the series was at its best in episodes 1, 3, 5 and 6 because they had good parts that I liked but also had some stuff that didn't really make sense or made me say ''Wait What?". But overall this series was a hit or miss for me it had its good moments but bad structure. Thats my thought on the show

@florianfischer376

Жыл бұрын

Really butchered those names eh

I thought it was great. Loved how they handled Obi-Wan and Vader, climaxing in one of the best duels in the series and, while I was unsure of her after the double-bill premiere, I grew to really like Reva. But, I really liked this video. You didn't change my mind, but I could see your perspective and I appreciated getting to understand it. You're one of the best essayists on the platform, and I look forward to your next one.

@TheMediaMonologue

Жыл бұрын

So nice to actually see people in the comments who are respectful while disagreeing. 👍

One thing that I'm not really seeing a lot of people talk about but which I really felt distanced me from the show was the soundtrack. Aside from the odd melody here and there, overall the soundtrack for the entirety of the series was mindnumbingly dull and so disgustingly uninteresting with little to no emotion to be found anywhere in it. When I think of Revenge of the Sith and the fall of Anakin, I immediately can hear John Williams delectable melodies in my head. Anakins Dark Deeds, Padme's Ruminations, Battle of the Heroes, The Immolation and so many more. Each of these scores takes the scenes they are so delicately crafted around and elevates them far beyond what is appearing on screen. But yet in this series, I genuinely have no recollection of any of the score and I really feel like the Few emotional moments that we got were seriously harmed by the dullness of the score. Like Obi-Wan learning that Anakin is still alive was such a powerful and monumental moment, and the soundtrack should have reflected that, instead we got nothing. Obi-Wan meeting Vader for the first time should have had some of the most powerful music we have heard from star wars, but instead we got nothing. The entire shows score seems to reside in the comfort of warm strings and never deviates into anything close to the genius operatic sounds that John Williams delights on embracing. Cinema and TV is a dual medium. It's 50% Visual, 50% auditory. The only thing is audio is much more nuances than visuals and so is much harder to quantifiable measure, but I truly believe that a huge amount of my enjoyment of the prequels can be attributed to the score, and when you're movie/show has a bad score, then you are already down 50% to me. *Edit* I just got to the point in this video where he addresses the music but I feel like my point still stands as it was a quick "By the way" sort of critique.

Dude, Ob-Wan attacks Vader from BEHIND after recovering from the rock pit. He literally slashes at Vader's back while Vader has his lightsaber RETRACTED. Anyone who's knows anything about Obi or the Jedi knows this is something Obi-Wan (especially Obi-Wan) wound never do, NEVER. His portrayal at points is an absolute travesty, ranging from completely inept and without agency to laughably overpowered in the blink of an eye. I'll agree on one thing - McGregor is by FAR the best thing about this show.

@survivingparadisepodcast

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention using the alien transport guy as a shield or burying his light saber in the desert while being assigned to guard Luke. It was SO stupid; so bad. Turned Obi Wan into a scared, whiny character. NOTHING like a Jedi. Laughably stupid show in every way.

If you watch ROTS and pay attention, Obi-Wan knew Anakin was arrogant and knew his mind had been twisted by Palpatine. He knew he was too attached to Padme, and too impatient. That doesn't mean he can't see that he ALSO failed Anakin as his mentor. It's Lucasfilm under Kennedy that wants to turn him into a broken man full of guilt and self pity and utterly one-note. It has nothing to do with what Lucas made.

My problem with the show is that is another show sprinkle with Obi-Wan and Vader. I would've care more about Reva if we saw her motivation since the beginning. She is not main character so we don't need a convoluted back-story about her. What we needed was her beginning and how she went to become an Inquisitor. How she was planning to go up the ranks and get her revenge. Sadly, she was portrait as a mysterious character when it wasn't need it. Leia was a good addition, at first. Again, she overstated her welcome making the show an escort mission and even not making sense most of the time. I would've love to see that more dark story rather than the Disney-fied version we got.

Why do you have to bring up Wade. His loss will be felt forever. RIP Wade. The best Star Wars universe.

I'm writing this before watching the review but I too have mixed feelings about it *warning spoilers*: I liked how they sometimes kept Obi's character somewhat identical, a little emotionally detached ect, although I feel he played into the Disney's narrative a bit too much at the end, a little too friendly I feel at the start they kept a lot of the old themes running well, like that night-life city location, gave me attack of the clones vibes which was good, and more simple scenes like traversing through a desert, no unnecessary extra BS. Also liked how they made this series very dark, like vader breaking a kids neck etc, the reason I say this is because I feel disney sugar coats things too much, but this feels like it brings a bit of balance back to what the original series was, which was horrific at times, vader did kill younglings after all. I feel Reva trying to attack vader after 'luring him to obi wan' made no sense I didn't like how easy some characters would defeat bad guys later on in the series however, and how Reva would just trust obi wan like that, and how Reva decided she couldn't kill a kid after all that, just seems unrealistic cliche to me. I also disagree with obi wan's ownage of Vader at the end, just seems unrealistic to me I feel Vader would have overpowered Obi wan again. Those are just my opinions of course

@Soulwrite7

Жыл бұрын

@@Aaron722076 There are bigger issues to having them fight again. 1) Were they to fight again the line from aNH that Vader says, about the last time him being the learner, but now the master doesn't make much sense. Coming off of RotS, where his fall to the dark side and subsequent combat takes place with Obi-wan still as his senior and mentor, the line makes sense. 2) If Obi-Wan were to beat Vader, he would most assuredly kill him, no doubt. He wouldn't just leave him assuming he would 'die due to his injuries' as could reasonably be expected in the state he left him on Mustafar at the end of RotS. He would make sure he was dead, perhaps even if it meant his own life, as was the pan in RotS. (The reason Yoda lived was because he fell, and was clearly outmatched, leading to point 3). 3) The only viably option. Obi-Wan escapes / looses. This maybe viable, but would require a very competent writing team. The main issue being that with the vast amount of resources, equipment and manpower at Vader, and the empires disposal. Obi-Wan would find it very difficult to escape and not be tracked, by droids, bounty hunters, inquisitors, and Vader. Maybe, just maybe they could separate Vader from his resources and give Obi-Wan some way of avoiding detection and pursuit. Otherwise there is no way he can possibly return to Tatooine. Though I have yet to see the show, lacking Disney Plus, I have seen some very thorough reviews, that tell me my doubts are/were well founded. That they do not have any qualified writing staff ad Disney, and that they have considerably less than infinite monkey's on typewriters, and what they have are spread too thin and clearly need a break.

@willfanofmanyii3751

Жыл бұрын

@@Soulwrite7 Obi-Wan just walks away from Vader, lol.

Can't bellieve what I'm reading this show was abysmal . The character assassinations of the characters created by George Lucas continue in Disney Star Wars . They did it with Luke in TLJ and during the course of the sequel trlogy, culminating in a Palpatine adopting the Skywalker name as well outlasting the entire Skywalker bllodline and now they did it with a deconstruction of Obi Wan Kenobi here. Obi Wan ignored the promise he made to Yoda at the end of Revenge of the Sith to watch over and protect Luke and the only reason he didn't fail completely as some have correctly pointed out was not because of something heroic he did but because of the fact Reva did not kill Luke . Reva was such a poorly written character and the way she turned good was so contrived and badly written. Also Leia should never have been in this series or at least not in it for more than 1 episode. Meanwhile the Vader we got was a pale imitation of the character we saw in the original trilogy . The versimilitude of Vaders' power that he showed at the the Rogue One and the original trilogy has been vastly diminished by the Kenobi show and the legacy of the character diminished by the fact he lost to Obi twice. That said Vader and Kenobi should have never duelled each other in this series the first place. Also Obi Wan just walked away from Vader when he had the chance to kill him . What a hero for allowing Vader to live murder many more innocent people across the Galaxy . The situation where Obi just walked away jumped the shark for me Kathleen Kennedy made this series to make Reva a hero despite never earning it. I do feel a bit sorry for Hayden Christensen who deserved much better material to fully redeem his portrayal of the character. Also Lucasfilm must be even dumber than I thought if they expect us to believe that an Imperial Star Destroyer cannot blow up a civilian transport. Also the VFX and camera work and editing was attrocious and the music was the worst I've in Star Wars film or TV media by a huge margin . I haven't seen something as badly shot or as dark in terms of lighting as the Kenobi show since Aliens vs Predator Requiem aka Alien vs Predator 2. To add insult to injury I also watched Jurassic World Dominion recently too and I thought that was awful too . I am now moving on to Stranger Things for some enjoyment instead. because I'm finished with Star Wars.

I can’t believe this is an unpopular opinion, I feel like this is a phantom menace type thing where people anticipated this show so much that they are in denial about what we actually got

Reva should have been a great character, but they wrote her, and she is acted as an unstable psychopath. The screaming and impatient yelling is so far afield from a trained dark side user, it's comical. It makes the whole "checkbox" hire seem more valid when the character is so awful, yet so prioritized. Also, including Leia in such a pronounced role ruins A New Hope. Her recording to Ben makes no sense anymore. Her words are for someone she had never met, but had heard about from her father. Also, those weren't A-Wings at the inquisitor base (I hate the actual name). They were T-47 speeders. Oh, and Inquisitors aren't Sith.

This show was so far from a disappointment. I loved it. The character moments were fantastic. It fit nicely in the Star Wars timeline. From an emotional stand point it is for me likely one of the best Star Wars shows out there.

I'm actually fully ok with the use they made of Qui-Gon. I mean, this training with him everyone seems so desperate to see? Guys, the entire show already was about Obi-Wan getting that training. Let go of your ego, of all forms of excessive attachment (be it to something you love or to something you fear, like in Obi's case) and, at heart, you'll have everyting you need to keep your identity in the Force. What's left is some Jedi mumbo-jumbo and some more meditation, then our hero will be the person we've met in Episode IV, ready to become a Force spirit when the time comes. There's no story left to tell, this was the story. And I like that Qui-Gon was a part of it in the sense that he simply showed up at the end, to confirm Obi-Wan's maturation and greet him as an old friend, from master to master. Then sure, again, he's going to teach Obi some specific technique to become a spirit in the following years, but that's not a story worth telling. Obi-Wan's inner maturation already took place. It's like telling the story of an athlete finding the motivation to train vs telling the "story" of an athlete simply training. The first would indeed be a story, but the second would be just a montage of some guy lifting weights. On another matter, I did love the setting of the final duel, because it's practically a visual representation of the state Anakin is in right now: wandering in a labyrinth of silence and shadows, unable to get back into the light. After Mustafar, it's like this is the second stage of Anakin's journey through Hell (or Purgatory, I guess, given how it'll end). And I love that Obi-Wan has to go through the fire torture, aka his own "Mustafar", before getting there.

@ninjanibba4259

Жыл бұрын

People like you can accept mediocrity Everyone else won't

@rickblaine9670

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjanibba4259 Ok, sorry Grand Master. I mean, judging by the attitude I assume that must be your title😅

@ninjanibba4259

Жыл бұрын

@@rickblaine9670 it's not an attitude, it's called criticism to mediocre to bad content, it's terrible and people like you eat it up for nostalgia and that's why you'll keep getting bad content from Disney, they don't care

Interactions between Leia and Obi-Wan were great. The Inquisitors were set up well, but Reva was wasted and her motivations in the end made no sense. Visually the final saber duel was fantastic, but there are so many plot holes in the confrontation. Why does Vader walk away from a buried Kenobi? He should be able to sense his opponent is still alive and fighting. Building Vader up and just neutering him at the end undercuts the story. It's already hard for the story to have stakes since we know how these characters end. Kenobi, Owen, and Beru needed to look older. Somehow they go from healthy middle aged characters to seniors in less than a decade and thinking on it takes you out of the story. 14:25 Sorry can't avoid the "achually" moment here, but those are not A-WIngs. They are speeders, like what the Rebel Alliance uses on Hoth at the start of Empire Strikes Back. Finally I have to disagree that Hayden was a good actor in the prequels. There was no depth to his character in the movies. Anakin as a character and the prequel storyline was saved by the Clone Wars cartoons. Watching other movies Christensen has been in before now, he's grown and improved, but still not more than serviceable. This show is the first time I see him as being able to hold his own with other actors in the franchise.

Reva’s redemption wasn’t earned. She was a terrible character and did awful things. She was written to be so over the top and Vader putting up with her didn’t fit with how he was shown randomly killing and hurting people. Reva should have been killed off by Vader in episode 4, keeping her alive was a huge mistake.

@toby9999

Жыл бұрын

You got that spot on.

This video absolutely hits the nail on the head with Kenobi! Disney seem to have a problem with going for the darker original scripts, for example the execution of Kenobi feels to awfully similar to Rise of Skywalker. And yes the music and cinematography really killed the momentum of the story, making the show a disappointing 7/10 overall. Should of been a film?

It was a real disaster this show, what I started with the greatest of expectations has ended with disgust. You pointed out many of the failings in regard to the actual filming and production of this series, but I disagree in that nothing about this was redeemable not even the story or dialogue. The story was DOA. It breaks cannon over and over. It does not add depth to the universe or original characters at all. How sad the talents of all the great actors were wasted on this contrived and amateurish writing. The worst tragedy is Disney will not learn from yet another disaster.

This video essay made me feel more emotions than half of Obi Wan Kenobi. My biggest disappointment was the lack of coherent theme tying the series together, it felt so disjointed and fragmented. The Lucas Star Wars are so thematically rich, it's jarring when I watched Kenobi and was thematically starved.. However, you've managed to draw out the slim threads of theme in this series and that's what gets me in the feels.

I have no issue with the show just a little confused… just a tiny bit… on the logicality of everything that happened. Just gonna list my questions because you people might share the same feeling: 1. How does an army of storm troopers manage to fail killing twelve people in a hallway sitting practically 6ft in front of them? Hit one and get an entire chunk of stormtroopers wiped out by 1 grenade? 2. They are chasing down a freighter with *no hyper drive* as a Star destroyer and are struggling to destroy said freighter missing like 80% of there shots. Why don’t they send out their star fighters? Or use a stasis beam? 3. Obi wan launches off in another ship and Vader says let’s go after enemy 1 with the entire Star destroyer instead of just Vader flying out to chase Obi-wan, forgetting about enemy 2. Why didn’t Vader just go deal with Obi wan while the Star destroyer continues to chase the freighter? It makes no sense. 4: why is the inquisitor lady even going to tatooine to kill Luke? She has no clue who Luke is or his importance and just had her entire plan fail, without vader even so much as getting a scratch or lift his own lightsaber. Wouldn’t she just rethink her career choices or die? She does have a hole in her chest, it’s a Miricle she even makes it to tatooine let alone get a ship. 5: if Vader is the most devastating force of evil in the galaxy, who has killed millions of people without remorse and turns out is no longer anakin… why did Obi wan leave him alive??? They set it up like Vader is to die anyways (I get it Vader is supposed to survive, story and all, but in the context of the situation it makes no sense)

Great video but music is a bit too loud

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

For sure. Apologies. I did address this in the pinned comment 🙏🏻

Can we just appreciate how good filmspeak is doing at responding to comments. instead of getting defensive when people disagree with him he is respectful and offers his opinion good on him

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that man! I try my best to be levelheaded and understand where someone is coming from when they respectfully disagree. It can be hard because there's a lot of toxic comments out there, but ultimately it's all about engaging with you guys and continuing the conversation. I get so much insight out of reading the comments and interacting with you all. It's arguably the best part of having a channel, so honestly thank YOU for the amazing comments you leave even if you disagree!

@reddingmalik

Жыл бұрын

I’m going to subscribe now

I wish the show called "Obi-Wan Kenobi" would've just focused on... Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I don’t like Reva’s “redemption”. She’s spent the whole series killing Jedi, maiming people, and torturing others. And you expect me to believe that her NOT KILLING LUKE is redemption? She put him in danger. She attacked him because…? He’s linked to Obiwan? It isn’t because he’s Vader’s son. Woo, Reva, you avenged your friends by murdering a child who has nothing to do with anything.

If Ep.4 was introspective with Obi-Wan & Vader in their bacta tanks reflecting on the past (flashbacks) it would’ve elevated the series & provided a breather. It feels like it was setup this way then changed, what we got instead was mindless padding all to get a tracker on LOLA

1. This makes the sequels even worse. So the only old Jedi we have seen is a bitter old hermit hiding from the galaxy: Kenobi. So what do the writers do? Make Luke exactly the same. Jedi don’t need to hide anymore. 2. The ending makes no sense. Kenobi saw Vader kill many innocents to get to him and had a chance to destroy him. He is now responsible for the deaths of billions. Obviously he couldn’t kill him but they could have written it that he was saved. 3. Revas motivation was mystifying at the end. Why kill Luke? She’s not an inquisitor. For revenge against Vader? Kenobi? It makes no sense. Revenge for Vader killing little kids by killing a little kid? Really? It would make more sense for her to intervene in the Kenobi Vader dual maybe first Kenobi thinks he is outnumbered but then Vader realizes he is outmatched with two opponents and escapes. 4. The Force is Female agenda is too obvious here. Reva is forced in, Leia is the Star and Luke almost ignored and Tala is in there too. Luke runs away like a coward. Bail does so many stupid things it’s hard to count.

@nizzanator

Жыл бұрын

1. Lukes character is already pre-ordained, to flesh his character out any further would create inconsistancies in the characters timeline. Luke had no prior knowledge of the force or the dark side whatsoever before Ben saved him, and explained it to him in Episode 4. Jedi dont need to hide anymore ? WTF are you even on about ? Literally the first episode is filled with Inquisitors hunting down friggin Jedi. 2.There are two majorly impactful factors that support Obi Wan's decision to remain neutral with Vader/Anakin's fate. The first being that he and Obi-Wan had deep seeded history and Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to murder his brother, no matter how better off the universe would be. The second reason was that Obi-Wan trusted one mans judgement above anyone's. Qui-Gon Jinn's. With his final moments Qui-Gon asked Kenobi to "Train the boy. He is the chosen one. He will bring balance." This was a promise Kenobi was even willing to break the Jedi code to uphold. (kzread.info/dash/bejne/epmumsiOnJure6g.html) The point i'm trying to make is that Obi-Wan knew he couldn't interfere with Anakin/Vader's fate. Out of fear that the prophecy may not come to fruition, 3. Totally agree with you on this one 4. Don't think the female agenda was as bad as your makin out to be. Reva's character couldve been male for all i care and I still would of left the series hating them.

@choreomaniac

Жыл бұрын

@@nizzanator I was talking about the sequel writers. Luke’s fate in the sequels is wide open. But they made him just like the only Jedi we have seen post prequels: old, hiding, even bitter. Why make Luke so similar? He is the hero of the galaxy and good friends either the leadership do the Republic. He could be happy, successful, well-liked, etc. there’s no reason for him to be hiding from the world. 2. The whole point of the encounter was that there was No Anakin left and Vader killed him. Therefore it is not Kenobis fault. But that also means that if he kills him, he is not killing Anakin. You can’t have it both ways. The writers were trying hard to give Kenobi closure and peace.

@choreomaniac

Жыл бұрын

@@nizzanator all of Disney Star Wars is about boring perfect female characters and stupid or evil male ones. Rose Tico, Holdo, Rey, Asoka, Bo-Katan, Jan Erso, etc. Poe and Fin were marginalized. There are just no real role models for boys.

@nizzanator

Жыл бұрын

@@choreomaniac 1. Okay so you were making points about the new trilogy. Didnt realise. 2. The Jedi don't just execute semi defenceless opponents on a whim. No matter how much safer the universe would be. It goes against the Jedi code. Its like Obi-Wan stated in episode 3 "Only a sith deals in absolutes." And he'd be practically trading places with Vader for what ? While I agree they could have altered the plot slightly to accomidate a more linear/believable summary to Vader/Obi-Wans duel. It would have contradicted any and all of the events leading up to their battle. Reva was off world, planning to murder Luke on Tatooine and no one asside from the Rebels knew Kenobi was on that planet at that time. And I doubt any of them would have had the balls to step in the lion's den with one of the most feared Sith lords in the galaxy.

As someone who has also been critical of Disney Star Wars as of late, I really loved Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's flawed, to be sure, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some fans make it out to be. It's honestly the first time in a while that I felt hopeful about future Star Wars projects (but that's just me).

I am 10 minutes in...and you are way too generous with the writing of this show.

@FilmSpeak

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, I mean I tried to engage with what they were seeking to accomplish with the show, but I do get into a lot of the things that didn't work at all in there series and why simply "meh" is a failure when it comes to an Obi-Wan spinoff.

@jimmie_collins

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmSpeak you're description of the struggles Obi-Wan and Darth are going thru in the beginning was better writing than anything they did with Leia

@jimmie_collins

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmSpeak just finished. Great video. I do disagree about Leia and Reva being intimidating but you especially got the music bit right.

@Mr_Cinematic

Жыл бұрын

If you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!

25:20 to me, that is one of the greatest Star Wars duels of all time. And I like how it almost mirrors their battle on Mustafar from Revenge of the Sith. That battle was for the soul of Anakin Skywalker, this was in the hope of trying to save what was left of him.

I’m still wondering what the point of Reva’s character was. I guess since she was a youngling when order 66 was given, her character shows just how horrific the Empire is, but they could have done that in other ways. Vader basically defeats her with just his mind, then she chases young Luke in the desert only not to kill him. It just seems like a waste of time. Btw, this is NOT a criticism of Moses Ingram, she’s a fine actor. I just think the character was poorly written.

@silverhawkscape2677

Жыл бұрын

Acknowledgement of Jedi Fallen Order

It has to be said I’d actually argue that reeva is far worse than vader, bc we have his backstory (an actual good one) he had nothing left by the time he was locked in that suit, now it obviously doesn’t make what he did right but at least it’s tragically understandable, whereas reeva has absolutely no reason to do 99% of the crap that she does if all she wants is Vader, she kills families, children, (or at least is fully prepared to) she’s insubordinate, she’s stupid (one example among many being how she had an “opportunity” to kill Vader but didn’t do it proper, she’s incredibly lucky then that she hadn’t been killed multiple times over if that was her logic, another example being that even if we assume, as you do, that she somehow knows about Luke why would she Wanna kill him anyway Vader doesn’t know about him nor does he have any meaningful connection to him yet, and if she doesn’t know why is she after this random child, AND FINALLY WHY (outside of what we already know from the ot) IS IT THIS ONE RANDOM KID THAT SNAPS OUT OF HER PSYCHOPATHIC STATE, one good action does not redemption make (rant over I could go over the godlike plot armor she has, but I just wanted to get my thoughts out) if you like her you like her she just infuriated me so much

Wish it took place in an alternate timeline where there were some actual risks to the characters. But watching this was just fun. You weren’t concerned about any of the characters because you already know they are going to survive going into Episode 4. The fight between Vader and Obi Wan was great but again it wasn’t on the edge of your seat, nerve wrecking great because you already know they are going to survive.