The Hornby P2: Railways Range vs. Railroad Range

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My side-by-side comparison between the Hornby Railroad Gresley Class P2 and the Hornby Railways version.
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  • @theeveningstar9235
    @theeveningstar92354 жыл бұрын

    Yesterday I saw the new build P2 ‘Prince of Wales’ in Darlington shed. It will be complete in 3 years!!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh that's awesome - not too long to wait then!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @Frserthegreenengine

    @Frserthegreenengine

    3 жыл бұрын

    Covid-19: "Allow us to introduce ourselves!" All in all seriousness though, I would love to see the completed locomotive!

  • @sinistregoth

    @sinistregoth

    3 жыл бұрын

    They keep going for bigger beasts, here's hoping they do the Garratt next! 😂 By they, i meant the rebuild project... but it would be grand to see Hornby have a bash at one too!

  • @Brigantius

    @Brigantius

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sinistregoth They are going for a Gresley V4 next, so smaller.

  • @thematthewexpress5999

    @thematthewexpress5999

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SamsTrains quite a bit longer to wait

  • @Ian-qs3fz
    @Ian-qs3fz5 жыл бұрын

    Sam has really made me appreciate British steam locomotives a whole lot

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's fantastic to hear Ian - glad to have converted you! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @arry5432

    @arry5432

    3 жыл бұрын

    This legend also got me into steam locomotives. Even tho I'm 13, I do a lot of researches about racing and automobile. This pandemic got me bored, and I randomly got his videos, and give me a new and second hobby

  • @thematthewexpress5999

    @thematthewexpress5999

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SamsTrains yes I like Britain's trains

  • @SkarloeyBoi
    @SkarloeyBoi6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Would definitely like more of these comparison reviews.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate! I had great fun doing this - so I'll definitely do more! :D Cheers, Sam :)

  • @TheUrbanmeister
    @TheUrbanmeister2 жыл бұрын

    I find the analysis and the production values to be incredibly professional and informative. Excellent.

  • @TheChrisAyre
    @TheChrisAyre4 жыл бұрын

    So the black looking thing which you said should rotate is something called Lentz rotary valve gear which 2001 was originally fitted with. From April 1938 2001 and 2002 had Walschaerts valve gear fitted and the rest of the class followed. You could say Lentz Rotary valve gear was a pre development of what we know as British Caprotti Valve gear which number 71000 Duke of Gloucester has fitted which used cam shafts and popper valves and all complicated things. Excellent video really enjoyed it

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much for letting me know what that was called - duly noted!! Happy New Year, Sam :)

  • @michaelteasdill6410
    @michaelteasdill64102 жыл бұрын

    Lovely video Sam thanks for sharing

  • @lionel2035
    @lionel20356 жыл бұрын

    Sam this was a great video and extremely informative. The comparison mode really gives one food for thought. THANK you and keep up the good work. Also, love thr shirt!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate - really glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @tomjenssen7486
    @tomjenssen74866 жыл бұрын

    Very enjoyable as always, mate :) They do look great running side by side. All the best....Tom

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Tom - much appreciated mate! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @krimbus1236
    @krimbus12364 жыл бұрын

    I just got the one without sound today! It’s absolutely magnificent I love it! Very smooth and it’s quite fast compared to my other trains

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear you're happy with it - they are lovely looking! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @chbartlett
    @chbartlett5 жыл бұрын

    Great review, thank you... as a beginner you have helped me decide that I want to go with super detail providing the extra cost is worth it.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much Colin, glad this was helpful for you, much appreciated! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @miscellaneous.7127
    @miscellaneous.71276 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! My non sound railways loco ran fine out of the box though. Anyway, you can tell I love it because I gave it the honour of starting the last video filmed on that railway. :)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot! Absolutely - the non-sound versions seem to be much better runners... I don't know why that would be! D: Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @jakedarling7549
    @jakedarling75496 жыл бұрын

    I tend to go for hornby railroad and then mod the hell out of them. Same goes for older models. There's nothing stopping you painting and glue on extra bits made from scratch in my opinion.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely - if you're skilled enough (I'm not!), that's a very good way to go! Great idea mate, Sam :)

  • @MikeL0ck

    @MikeL0ck

    9 ай бұрын

    @SamsTrains I did the same this week having recently bought the Prince of Wales version. I painted all the small details and cab insides on the RR version and lined it using a fine lining pen (which I had already) and added nicer Fox decals and etched name and maker plates. probably about £40 in all. In fact I initially bought the RR version after seeing your review among others and I'm glad I did after trying out a couple of Hornby TTS sound chips,... never again. The Prince of wales actually has a visible wobble on the 3rd drivers which is pretty bad considering the new tooling and expense.

  • @peters1127
    @peters11273 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for another informative video, please continue to produce more comparison videos. I am sure this helps the Modelers to make make a very informative choice.

  • @GWRFan281
    @GWRFan2816 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting video Sam. I have a couple of Hall class locomotives from the Railroad range and I am very happy with them.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate - ooh yes the Railroad Hall Class is just fantastic!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @TWA1945
    @TWA19456 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison Sam!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate! :D

  • @SouRwy4501Productions
    @SouRwy4501Productions Жыл бұрын

    Ah the P2 mikado! An interesting case of using a wheel arrangement meant for freight on passenger trains. They’re beautiful 3-cylinder mikados. Wonderful that they’re building two new mikados

  • @Starflight_Miniatures
    @Starflight_Miniatures5 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video Sam

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much James! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @miscellaneous.7127
    @miscellaneous.71276 жыл бұрын

    I've been waiting for this! Although you will not be able to convince me that my railways P2 isn't excellent!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    haha that's fair enough mate - I don't consider it excellent, but there are much worse ones out there! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @miscellaneous.7127

    @miscellaneous.7127

    6 жыл бұрын

    When it comes down to it: Performance: 7/10 Detail: 8/10 Build quality 9/10 Character: 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/10 Value for money: 7/10.

  • @liamslayout2726
    @liamslayout27266 жыл бұрын

    Good to see some variation in the content even though this isn't really my type of video but keep it up

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Liam - not to worry, I won't be doing these too frequently! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @LaZeRJET
    @LaZeRJET6 жыл бұрын

    Looks Very Good Sam and i Love Your T-Shirt Keep Making Great Video and I'll see you on your live stream soon.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    haha thanks a lot mate - glad you liked the shirt ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @jamesbradford4550

    @jamesbradford4550

    6 жыл бұрын

    A p2 is being rebuilt

  • @jamesbradford4550

    @jamesbradford4550

    6 жыл бұрын

    Garry King 2. P2s dont exist at the moment in real life but they are rebuilding one of the p2s streamlined and it will be finished in 4 years, sad were all scrapped.

  • @lanc7575

    @lanc7575

    6 жыл бұрын

    LaZeR JET omg LaZeR JET

  • @LaZeRJET

    @LaZeRJET

    6 жыл бұрын

    Um Yes? Hello

  • @Cthulhu1970
    @Cthulhu19703 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Not far off 100,000 subscribers now then. Well done, and well deserved! :)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for the support mate, really appreciate it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @alanbarker5232
    @alanbarker52326 жыл бұрын

    Good interesting video Sam. I often wonder what the difference between the two Hornby ranges are. Well presented too. I look forward to seeing more from you.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Alan - to be fair, there's not much difference with these, but with others (the black 5 for instance), the difference is massive! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @NixTrains
    @NixTrains6 жыл бұрын

    Nice caparison vid Sam... Enjoyed it. & Nice T too

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate, really glad you liked it, and the T, lol ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Jarmy05
    @Jarmy056 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful locomotives I wish I could have all the trains you do great video Sam

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate - really glad you like them all :3 Cheers, Sam :)

  • @edwardgray6167
    @edwardgray61676 жыл бұрын

    Great vid. The side by side comparisons (on screen) work really well. I'd say the railroad version is best for those who are either happy with the lower detail or are confident enough to hand paint most of the missing detail. The only real difficult bits of detail (in my view) is enhancing the railroad lettering, and I'm sure there are waterside transfers available to add those in. Tender pickups shouldn't be all that difficult to add either.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Edward - glad you liked that! I agree - if you have the skill, then Railroad locos are great projects! Yes that's true - I suppose you could add tender pick-ups too if you wanted! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @paulselwood4404
    @paulselwood44046 жыл бұрын

    great job and informative. cool

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Paul! :D

  • @lewiscarty5517
    @lewiscarty55176 жыл бұрын

    I do like the idea of comparing the different variations of the Hornby range, especially the Railroad ones. However, when I was younger, going back to the food train video you did, I used to fill my wagons up with peanuts, Smarties, Chocolate buttons, Magic Stars, Skittles, whatever and that was really fun, especially when I had Thomas, Percy and the Jinty tank engines and the trucks to play with.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Lewis - ooh that's a fun idea - I've definitely done my fair share of that, lol ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @davidsheriff8989

    @davidsheriff8989

    Жыл бұрын

    Ya don't get hungry then ?

  • @WillThomas199.2
    @WillThomas199.26 жыл бұрын

    This is such a good video very well done

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much mate, you're very kind! :D

  • @JPoulAndersson
    @JPoulAndersson6 жыл бұрын

    Excellent review thanks Sam - Joachim

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate - much appreciated! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @dreamerlover9020
    @dreamerlover90206 жыл бұрын

    Hi Sam back after I've had no Internet it's been a tough couple of weeks but nice video I always like to watch one of your vids when I wake up and when I've had no Internet for two weeks watching one of your latest videos cheers me right up I hope you can make more of the races loco against loco if so that would be great but yeah nice vid

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi mate - blimey that does sound tough! Hope you really enjoyed this though! I like that idea - I'll definitely do more soon! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @oceanstorm9410
    @oceanstorm94106 жыл бұрын

    The P2 is an absolute fantastic locomotive. I own a gloss finish of it. Even though it STILL has the same tooling as the railroad tooling. But, believe it or not, she still ran as smooth as the railroad version did. Great vid Sam ;)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's great to hear mate - the glossy version really is impressive - I once had one to service - it was gorgeous! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @williamhabermann2395
    @williamhabermann2395 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Sam! I have recently ordered a A1 Flying Scotsman with the original tender she had in 1923, I reckon I will get this model next it has been on my list for a while.

  • @thurstablelane7567
    @thurstablelane75676 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting, I've just purchased the railroad model for my conversion that I have been working on. Which if you're interested is the LNER P2 2003 Lord President. Interesting that the loco comes with quite a few details I'm quite amazed that I'll get the Cylinder Cocks, cab doors and footplate extra's, I'm very impressed.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate - that sounds very interesting, good luck with the conversion - yeah the detail for a Railroad loco is superb! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @bigbtrainspotter2381
    @bigbtrainspotter23814 жыл бұрын

    Great job

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! :D

  • @nicky8895
    @nicky88956 жыл бұрын

    I like the p2 class

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate - me too! :D Cheers, Sam :)

  • @douglasfleetney5031
    @douglasfleetney50316 жыл бұрын

    Hi Sam. These locos had a rotary cam type valve gear. You are used to seeing Walscherts which has lots of moving parts. The valves on these were driven like a camshaft in a car, hence that block (gear box) and carden shafts leading to the valve chests. Nice to see a loco modeled with it for a change. The 'Duke of Gloucester' and certainly one Standard class 5 still have this system (British Caprotti), I believe that a few Black fives (one preserved) and 9F's were fitted with it as well. Nice video as always, thank you (I got the RailRoad version...)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for the comment Douglas - yes I now know that you wouldn't see much movement in that system - but I still think it would have looked better if done in metal, rather than that flimsy plastic! Glad you enjoyed it anyway - and the Railroad version was easily the better runner straight out of the box! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @douglasfleetney5031

    @douglasfleetney5031

    6 жыл бұрын

    I concur with it being metal, especially on the detail version, however they do tend to build to a price. I have had a good few problems with her staying on the road though. Unless it is a billiard table on the levels she jumps off at the drop of a hat. I have the same problem with my H class 0-4-4 and if I am running any of my 4-6-0's tender first. This only seems to affect my Hornby stock as my Bachmann C class 0-6-0's seem to ride over anything with no problems at all. Have you had any issues with the P2?

  • @questforalex9539
    @questforalex95396 жыл бұрын

    sam amazing video nice music and great camera skills too also, could you a review a BR black 5 because im thinking of getting one for my railway but i dont know how good they are. (:

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi mate, thanks so much - okay I'll take a look at those, thanks for the idea! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @iwostrains
    @iwostrains3 жыл бұрын

    I have a Hornby Flying scotsman and i painted the cab and the locomotive to a super-detail one! 😎

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ooh that sounds epic actually!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @morgenergy4074
    @morgenergy40746 жыл бұрын

    The motor issue is a sad, sad display of Hornby incompetence these days. A popular model, without readily available spare motors? That's mental. Even Tornado and Flying Scotsman lack spare motors. Unacceptable when the motors die within a few overall hours...

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    I agree - I don't know why either! The only thing I have noticed is that it's many of the TTS locos that have had them.... maybe they think the sound will cover up the dreadful noise? Most likely, using a cheaper motor means they can increase perceived value for money on the TTS stuff... and make a better profit? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @michaelfoerster6916
    @michaelfoerster69166 жыл бұрын

    Hello Sam its Michael F, just wanted to say i really loved your comparison video. I have the hornby railways P2 with the stock moder. Heres a good tip for it. what i found out when i first got it is that it never ever cuts out on bachmann HO points so if your p2 cuts out on points it runs really well over bachmann ho points

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Michael, really glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for the tip - I'll give bachmann points a try! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @LHoriginal
    @LHoriginal4 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison sam! I was thinking about painting my railroad one but after seeing the super detailed one im not sur if i do want to paint my railroad p2 because i think there is an odd charm to it

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Sharky, ooh be careful - don't mess it up! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @michaelteasdill6410
    @michaelteasdill64102 жыл бұрын

    The point is they were affordable to the masses, unlike today of Elitist Priced Product. IT is the pricing and low quality that is alienating everyone else who loves model toy trains. Which you highlight very well in your lovely videos - Thank you Sam for sharing

  • @FlatMagnets1992
    @FlatMagnets19926 жыл бұрын

    I heard some buzz about a Cock o' the North model recently. Wonder if it was one of these. Anyway, great as always to see a video from you, Sam!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ooh nice! Yeah this is based on the cock o the north loco in real life! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @warriorstar2517
    @warriorstar25176 жыл бұрын

    Hey, Sam! I recently found out that the last three driving axles for Prince of Wales arrived at Darlington within the past week or so, and orders have been placed for other components. The estimated completion date, subject to resources, is 2021.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ooh really? That's absolutely fantastic news - one step closer to being a runner then! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @DNash-wz3mz
    @DNash-wz3mz6 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget the Hall and Duke of Gloucester: they're the same tooling in both ranges! I recently bought a railroad hall and was pretty impressed with it.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi mate! Ooh is that so? I didn't know the Duke of Gloucester appeared as a Railroad model? Did the Hall end up in the railways range too? I don't remember seeing those actually - but you might be right! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @DNash-wz3mz

    @DNash-wz3mz

    6 жыл бұрын

    www.hattons.co.uk/60226/Hornby_R3168_Class_8P_4_6_2_71000_Duke_Of_Gloucester_in_BR_Green_with_late_crest_Railroad_ran/StockDetail.aspx www.hampshiremodels.co.uk/products/hornby-r3205-oo-gauge-br-hall-class-4965-rood-ashton-hall?variant=3707106328599

  • @DNash-wz3mz

    @DNash-wz3mz

    6 жыл бұрын

    They were so-called 'design clever' in the same sense as the P2: Great for Railroad, a bit naff for full-spec but the same tooling. The railroad edition of the hall, especially at hatton's current £57 price, is fantastic. My one is the recent BR Green edition - just need to add the black to the lining on the tender.

  • @robmasterman
    @robmasterman6 жыл бұрын

    A very comprehensive and honest review Sam...a very enjoyable watch. If you buy and run a locomotive, in 00 Gauge, then surely it's all about compromise. If the loco and stock look right at the distances that most of us view them, then surely that should be enough to allow the operator to enjoy the spectacle. Perhaps too much emphasis is being placed on details, that your eye just cannot detect when the trains are running. If the detail is that important and the locos are kept in a display cabinet, then do away with the motors etc, and this will greatly reduce both the cost of production, and more importantly the cost of purchase....Regards....Bob

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much Robert - yes you're absolutely right, compromise is the essential part! Thanks again for the comment, Sam :)

  • @redbank493
    @redbank4934 жыл бұрын

    Mine came in the Train Set, so a railroad version. Runs sweet. Will be getting the silver paint out

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ooh pretty good - glad to hear it runs well for you! :D Merry Christmas, Sam :)

  • @paulcaswell2813
    @paulcaswell28132 ай бұрын

    That 'thing' that looks like a 'Westinghourse' is in fact an ACFI Feedwater Heater. Gresley was good friends with the great French engineer, André Chapelon, and having seen the massive increase in efficiency in the French engines, he decided to use it on 2001. Unfortunately, as British coal was rather superior to French 'bug dust', any savings fuel-wise were wiped out by maintenance costs. Also note that the Kylchap double chimney here modelled is again Chapelon influenced: 'Kylchap' being a contraction of the two designers - the Finnish Kylälä and the aforementioned Chapelon. Hope that helps. I would add that if anyone can make a working representation of Rotary Cam valve gear, it would be a miracle: I don't even think Fulgurex have done it (and i they made it, Cock o'the North would sell for £2000 or so!). Check Duke of Gloucester - did its work? (Yep I know - the LNE loco had Lentz valve gear and 'The Duke' Caprotti, but in model form they're pretty similar). The problem with Railroad model, livery-wise, is that it is simply 'not' in LNER livery. That requires the white edging around the washout plugs and other details. And of course missing the cylinder lining-out is also wrong. As to the lettering - that is a complete deal-breaker. Unshaded letters came in during the war - by which time the locos were in austerity black! PS The TTS chip is giving the sound of the P2 doing about 30mph when the model is doing 50+. Not good of Hornby...

  • @tmdrm9817
    @tmdrm98174 жыл бұрын

    17:13 look at the one wheel

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ooh yeah! :O

  • @talentlesscommentermdxxvii9419

    @talentlesscommentermdxxvii9419

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which one, I can see 10?

  • @brucewoods9377

    @brucewoods9377

    3 жыл бұрын

    Actually at 17:32 the tender wheels (central pair) are not turning and they jump

  • @SevernCrescent
    @SevernCrescent6 жыл бұрын

    Good video Sam well produced liked it. I had the same problem with TTS version poor motor Mike of Mikes Videos told me which motor to have fitted never looked back.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much mate - yeah absolutely, once you get those decent motors in there, you're laughing ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @PatGilliland
    @PatGilliland4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Sam. I've been wondering how much difference there is between the two series. I think I will be focussing more on the mechanics for any future purchases.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Pat - yes that'd be wise I'd say! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @brucewoods9377
    @brucewoods93773 жыл бұрын

    I would be happy to gave the railroad version, as I can always pick out my own hand painted details if need be. One can always purchase the tender pickups separately and fit them if absolutely necessary. And as I am more technically inclined I would move the TTS to the tender.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Bruce - yeah with a bit of skill the Railroad version would be a great buy! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @SantoshS1279
    @SantoshS12796 жыл бұрын

    I love TTS Sounds.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Me too :3 Cheers, Sam :)

  • @mattbov14
    @mattbov146 жыл бұрын

    Hi sam. Really good to see you again, another cracking video. And i myself hvr these two. And i agree that i was supprised but the lack of "super detail" on the dcc loco. But have done a custom paint job on my railroad version which is quite nice. I dont know if you have but i have a locomotion gloss finish of the A3 flying Scotsman in BR green as it is now with support coach. I would love if one we could somehow do what you have done with this or other locos or simply review her. Let me know what you think. Cheers Matt

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Matt - I agree - someone earlier said that the Railways P2 is a Railroad loco pretending to be a Railways one - I think that's a really good way of looking at it! Ooh that sounds fantastic - I just can't get enough of those glossy finishes! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @nigelcarter9503
    @nigelcarter95036 жыл бұрын

    Good comparison.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Nigel! :D

  • @LeStrangeW
    @LeStrangeW4 жыл бұрын

    If you wind up getting one of the A2/2 locomotives, you should do a Round Two!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ooh that's a great idea!! :D

  • @oliverthegreatwesternengin8029
    @oliverthegreatwesternengin80296 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for doing this, I would go with the Railways range for more painted Details.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    No problem mate - yep that's a sound argument - you certainly do get better painted detail on these! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @thomasfune3383
    @thomasfune33836 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison, I almost through they are look the same

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate! Yeah they do, until you look very closely! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @heheurhhehehehehdh348
    @heheurhhehehehehdh3486 жыл бұрын

    Love it

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Trainboy! :D

  • @ianryan5727
    @ianryan57272 жыл бұрын

    Hello Sam, lovely video, thanks. Could you let me know if you can say what the minimum curve-radius the P2 will run on? and in the video there is a chicane clearly showing both locos managing it just fine at 22:30 into the video, what radius is that chicane" Cheers mate. :)

  • @jakeletts7834
    @jakeletts78346 жыл бұрын

    I'm considering getting back into model trains after watching your videos! They are really awesome! What scale engines are the ones you purchase? I use to like the bigger sized ones when I was a kid, but now I'm thinking the smaller sizes may work better with my living space. Thanks!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's great to hear Jake, hope you have fun! Mine are 00 gauge, which are also compatible with H0! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @paulteeton7878
    @paulteeton78786 жыл бұрын

    I love this!

  • @paulteeton7878

    @paulteeton7878

    6 жыл бұрын

    I definitely love the super-detailed, but I think the less-detailed is very good for beginners

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Paul - yeah I agree, they both have their uses! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @rynodynomyte2755
    @rynodynomyte27556 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Speaking of the P2s, I can’t wait for that new one to be completed! I think if they weren’t rebuilt, Cock O The North would probably have been preserved! In fact, 70% of the parts on the P2s are the same as Tornado, including the tender and the boiler!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Ryno - absolutely, it's going to be amazing when that gets done! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @rynodynomyte2755

    @rynodynomyte2755

    6 жыл бұрын

    Your welcome Sam! Ryan :)

  • @ArtBoy54Productions
    @ArtBoy54Productions6 жыл бұрын

    Question: are you going to the model train comvention at the SECC tomorrow? I'm going there and I'm going to see if I can get my hands on any second hand Thomas stuff

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi mate - unfortunately I have a lot on tomorrow, but I would love to visit that one day! :D Cheers, Sam :)

  • @michaelgamble296
    @michaelgamble2962 жыл бұрын

    Excellent in-depth information on the many things which constitute the Hornby Railroad Class P2 and the Hornby Railways version of the same Loco. In your Jan. 2022 KZread you pointed out the drive motor might be a 3-pole - or might be a 5-pole and I have a reply from Hornby (Glen, I think it is) who said mine (the detailed boxed one) will be a 5-pole motor. Excellent - I sha'n't have to dismantle it and run the risk of damage to the screw heads &c., to find out. However the tender in my super detailed boxed 2021 version has no pickups and therefore no interconnecting cables between Loco & Tender. The grab rails are separate and, I assume, wire - but are non-magnetic non-conductive because of being painted anyway - but I doubt they are plastic?

  • @austinmilich648
    @austinmilich6484 жыл бұрын

    I love my sound P2, one problem though if you have the tiniest bump in the track the front bogie comes off. My ones Motor is perfect, it’s very strong and pulls all of my coaches. Using my digitrax controller it’s slow speed is amazing!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear that! Yes the front ponies are well known for derailing - particularly on points etc :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @dilwich
    @dilwich Жыл бұрын

    Have you reviewed the Railroad Plus range Sam?

  • @GothicSteamEngine96
    @GothicSteamEngine966 жыл бұрын

    Also about the valve gear. I don't think at this current state that the valve gear would be able to be animated on the locos when you consider how small it is. It is a type of valve gear that looks similar to the coprotti equivalent (can't remember the name), and it consists of a pole that spins on an axis between piston and rotating axle. So getting that to work on a small model would be a bit impossible unless you were smart enough to make it work. But I agree a die-cast piece for the valve gear would be better then plastic.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I agree with you completely - even if they could animate it, it'd probably cost a bomb! Really I just don't like their choice to use unpainted plastic, it just looks and feels tacky to me! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @JonatanGronoset
    @JonatanGronoset6 жыл бұрын

    Don't feel bad, Sam. Most of my very expensive Märklin models don't have painted cabs either. :p

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    haha thanks Jonatan - I think that's pretty unacceptable too! I would assume that those models are at least decent quality though?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @russellbenton2987
    @russellbenton29876 жыл бұрын

    As well as the P2 I think the Duke of Gloucester and the Hall class had main Range and Railroad versions. I went for the full version of P2 but without sound. For me it was the lining that I wanted . The main version has the LNER black white black lining , while the Railroad version only has white , you can see that quite clearly on the tender and in the cab area. Have to say I’ve never had a problem with it , relatively smooth a quiet. The model comes from design clever period which is why they have three pole motors . Interestingly even the best Bachmann locos only ever have three pole motors . I really can’t tell the difference.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Russell - yes I've heard that - I never realised those were in both ranges, but if they are then I stand corrected! Yeah definitely - I don't think it's very clever personally though ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @davidchiles5331
    @davidchiles53312 жыл бұрын

    Just a couple of general questions....is it shown on the box whether a hornby loco is a railroad or railway version? And secondly what's the differrence between DCC ready and DCC fixed? Sorry, I'm a begginer in a foreign land.

  • @SolmonGTrauth
    @SolmonGTrauth6 жыл бұрын

    Lovely simply lovely

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! :D

  • @genta_muhammad
    @genta_muhammad6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Sam :). Nice to see ya. What a great video of course. Make It more please. Cheers, Genta :)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Genta - I will try to make more! :D Cheers, Sam :)

  • @genta_muhammad

    @genta_muhammad

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sam'sTrains thanks for answering me in 4 minute

  • @benphillips3799
    @benphillips37994 жыл бұрын

    At this point, I no longer purchase any loco without looking for his reviews on it. Well done indeed.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's very good of you Adam, many thanks for the support! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @PaulGarwood
    @PaulGarwood6 жыл бұрын

    I very much enjoyed that comparison, when is the next one.. lol

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    haha thanks Paul! I will try another at some point! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @patrickwebb7311
    @patrickwebb73116 жыл бұрын

    8:57 Quick question, if you wanted, could you paint/sharpie the railing with silver to make them stand out on the Railroad one, provided you had a steady hand? Great video as always. PS. I think--if I could afford either--that I'd go with the Railroad one and just paint on some extra detail! Very carefully of course. Cheers.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Patrick - if you were skilled enough, you could completely transform both of these models - so if you can do it, then yes! Unfortunately, I'm not one of those people - but they are out there! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @michaelgamble296
    @michaelgamble2962 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to change the buffer beam and buffers with the sprung metal buffers? (this includes the tender, of course!)

  • @allentorres2066
    @allentorres20666 жыл бұрын

    May I ask another question? Do you ever put any of the detail packs on any engines that come with the pack? p.s Wonderful video :)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Allen - no generally I prefer to try to keep them in as-new condition! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @shockwavethescientist8400
    @shockwavethescientist84006 жыл бұрын

    Iove his channel

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot mate! :D

  • @minislot1
    @minislot16 жыл бұрын

    I think I'm right in saying the BR Duke Of Gloucester is the same underlying tooling for both the Railroad and Railways versions. (It caused quite the stir at the time.)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Oliver - you might be right - I didn't realise the Duke appeared in the railroad range, but if it did - then you will be right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @GBRf66715_
    @GBRf66715_5 жыл бұрын

    Oh Nice! I Completely Forgot i had a Super Detailed on until this video Came up! Now i need to find it :)! Great Video, mines the one without TTS Sound, would you have any clue what the product code for it would be? As I can't seem to find any info on it whatsoever. Regards, Daniel (P.S We need to play minecraft sometime again, that was jokes)

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ooh nice Daniel - hope you can find it! I'm not too sure of the product number off hand - feel free to check my review for the model, it'll be on there during the box opening! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @northern1369
    @northern1369 Жыл бұрын

    I'm really considering getting myself 1 , is the Hornby A4 motor appliable for the Hornby P2 ?

  • @kamilsmodelrailway6692
    @kamilsmodelrailway66926 жыл бұрын

    Hi Sam! May I ask. Have you got the RailRoad P2 from a Train set?

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Kamil - I think it came from a train set, but I bought it brand new, unboxed - so I don't know for sure! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @caledonianrailwayman1312
    @caledonianrailwayman13126 жыл бұрын

    Great video Love both locos Guess what I’ve just pre-ordered CR 812 Class 828 from Rails of Sheffield I’m so exited 😆

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I love both too - and that's fantastic - I'm going to order one too, as soon as I know the price ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @caledonianrailwayman1312

    @caledonianrailwayman1312

    6 жыл бұрын

    It’s like this you pay £30:00 now for pre-order and pay the rest later If you already know that just ignore this

  • @ChapelEndJunctionUK
    @ChapelEndJunctionUK6 жыл бұрын

    Very good comparison Sam , it's the extra detailing that really does make that difference . Cheers........Peter

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Peter - yes that seems to be the case with a lot of people! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @barborawoolf8470
    @barborawoolf84703 жыл бұрын

    where did you get the 5 pole motor from?

  • @thezucchinis909
    @thezucchinis9096 жыл бұрын

    I love the p2s

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Me too - they're awesome aren't they?? :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @galaxyorion8725
    @galaxyorion87256 жыл бұрын

    Love the vid. Where can we buy the shirts???

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much! I'm not selling shirts sadly - they turned out to be just too expensive :/ Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @danielannett1019
    @danielannett10196 жыл бұрын

    Saw these at a model event side by side and too be honest its the same loco just one has extra detail than the other. Its basically what you want from a model but for value i would choose the railroad edition everytime

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Daniel - absolutely right, it is the same loco, with some variations! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @AlexStaddon
    @AlexStaddon6 жыл бұрын

    So, when are Samstrains t-shirts going to become available? I know I'd buy one ^^ - Alex

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    haha thanks Alex - I've looked into doing that - but they'd end up costing customers £20+.... since I'm always going on about value for money, I thought it'd be hypocritical to sell them for that kind of money! So unlike Hornby - I'm either going to find a way to make them more affordable, or I won't do it at all ;D Thanks a lot for your lovely support, Sam :)

  • @karenloughhead6104

    @karenloughhead6104

    4 жыл бұрын

    :)

  • @FlyingScotFilms
    @FlyingScotFilms3 жыл бұрын

    Damn. I just bought a railroad P2, and honestly, I’m kind of jealous of the Railways one for Th e extra detail.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ahh not to worry - they do still look great! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @NorbertRoll
    @NorbertRoll6 жыл бұрын

    Excellent review. 1. Hornby RailRoad Range for beginners and Hornby Railways for advanced modellers or 2. Hornby RailRoad Range for daily use and Hornby Railways for collectors or 3. Hornby RailRoad Range for people with a smaller budget and Hornby Railways for people with a larger budget and more differences, quality control not included, hehe

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Norbert - yes I think those are good points! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @custard_timelord2896
    @custard_timelord28966 жыл бұрын

    My favourite loco!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ooh that's good to hear Custard! :D

  • @daunteddragxn8384
    @daunteddragxn83846 жыл бұрын

    Amazing comparison! I think the railways version is better for a serious modeller who has some time and money to spare on modding it a bit.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate! I agree - minus the cost, that's definitely the better model, with the exception of the motor of course! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @nikerailfanningttm9046
    @nikerailfanningttm9046 Жыл бұрын

    14:40 damn.....the Railways P2 just dwarfs the railroad P2, even though they are the same size, the railroad variant looks a little smaller from that view.

  • @chipbandit0540
    @chipbandit05406 жыл бұрын

    Sam do you ever research if you model has been preserved Irl I just done my 03 and found out it never had a 03 number and was only d2388. It’s quite fun to do!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ooh that is pretty fun - I will try that - thanks! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @alittlebreesey
    @alittlebreesey6 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Maybe you can compare the Hornby Henry with the Bachmann Henry. That would be interesting! Best Regards, BrendamBranch

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot! Ooh yeah that would be fun - nice idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @glenbr1
    @glenbr16 жыл бұрын

    Geday Sam I would like to see you doing the motor convention on the dcc loco if possible ?.Glen Br.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Glen - thanks for that, if I ever have to do another, I'll be sure to film it! Cheers, Sam :)

  • @Nick-vh2pe
    @Nick-vh2pe6 жыл бұрын

    Hello Sam! The P2 Peppercorn A1 class, actually came out around 2014, October 13th. Sincerely, Spud Our Lord and Savior

  • @Nick-vh2pe

    @Nick-vh2pe

    6 жыл бұрын

    As always though, it was a quite interesting video.

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for the info - yes that's right, I had it for Christmas that year! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @teescottageguyproductions
    @teescottageguyproductions3 жыл бұрын

    The new P2 2007 Prince of Wales is being built about 7 minutes from my house in my hometown of Darlington!

  • @SamsTrains

    @SamsTrains

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh wow!! Have you been to see it then?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @teescottageguyproductions

    @teescottageguyproductions

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SamsTrains last time I saw it was in February. I used to go once a month to visit it but obviously I can’t due to corona.the first time I saw it was in 2014 when it was just bare frames. The video of my last trip is on my channel. If you want to see it you’ll have to look at my first videos

  • @teescottageguyproductions

    @teescottageguyproductions

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SamsTrains here’s the link if your interested kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYyZj7GzlpmZh6Q.html

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