Yesterday I saw the new build P2 ‘Prince of Wales’ in Darlington shed. It will be complete in 3 years!!

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Oh that's awesome - not too long to wait then!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@Frserthegreenengine

3 жыл бұрын

Covid-19: "Allow us to introduce ourselves!" All in all seriousness though, I would love to see the completed locomotive!

@sinistregoth

3 жыл бұрын

They keep going for bigger beasts, here's hoping they do the Garratt next! 😂 By they, i meant the rebuild project... but it would be grand to see Hornby have a bash at one too!

@Brigantius

3 жыл бұрын

@@sinistregoth They are going for a Gresley V4 next, so smaller.

@thematthewexpress5999

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains quite a bit longer to wait

Sam has really made me appreciate British steam locomotives a whole lot

@SamsTrains

5 жыл бұрын

That's fantastic to hear Ian - glad to have converted you! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@arry5432

3 жыл бұрын

This legend also got me into steam locomotives. Even tho I'm 13, I do a lot of researches about racing and automobile. This pandemic got me bored, and I randomly got his videos, and give me a new and second hobby

@thematthewexpress5999

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains yes I like Britain's trains

So the black looking thing which you said should rotate is something called Lentz rotary valve gear which 2001 was originally fitted with. From April 1938 2001 and 2002 had Walschaerts valve gear fitted and the rest of the class followed. You could say Lentz Rotary valve gear was a pre development of what we know as British Caprotti Valve gear which number 71000 Duke of Gloucester has fitted which used cam shafts and popper valves and all complicated things. Excellent video really enjoyed it

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for letting me know what that was called - duly noted!! Happy New Year, Sam :)

I find the analysis and the production values to be incredibly professional and informative. Excellent.

Sam this was a great video and extremely informative. The comparison mode really gives one food for thought. THANK you and keep up the good work. Also, love thr shirt!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate - really glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Sam :)

Awesome! Would definitely like more of these comparison reviews.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! I had great fun doing this - so I'll definitely do more! :D Cheers, Sam :)

Great review, thank you... as a beginner you have helped me decide that I want to go with super detail providing the extra cost is worth it.

@SamsTrains

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Colin, glad this was helpful for you, much appreciated! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

I tend to go for hornby railroad and then mod the hell out of them. Same goes for older models. There's nothing stopping you painting and glue on extra bits made from scratch in my opinion.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely - if you're skilled enough (I'm not!), that's a very good way to go! Great idea mate, Sam :)

@MikeL0ck

8 ай бұрын

@SamsTrains I did the same this week having recently bought the Prince of Wales version. I painted all the small details and cab insides on the RR version and lined it using a fine lining pen (which I had already) and added nicer Fox decals and etched name and maker plates. probably about £40 in all. In fact I initially bought the RR version after seeing your review among others and I'm glad I did after trying out a couple of Hornby TTS sound chips,... never again. The Prince of wales actually has a visible wobble on the 3rd drivers which is pretty bad considering the new tooling and expense.

Thank you for another informative video, please continue to produce more comparison videos. I am sure this helps the Modelers to make make a very informative choice.

Very enjoyable as always, mate :) They do look great running side by side. All the best....Tom

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Tom - much appreciated mate! Cheers, Sam :)

I just got the one without sound today! It’s absolutely magnificent I love it! Very smooth and it’s quite fast compared to my other trains

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear you're happy with it - they are lovely looking! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Very interesting video Sam. I have a couple of Hall class locomotives from the Railroad range and I am very happy with them.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate - ooh yes the Railroad Hall Class is just fantastic!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great video as always! My non sound railways loco ran fine out of the box though. Anyway, you can tell I love it because I gave it the honour of starting the last video filmed on that railway. :)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! Absolutely - the non-sound versions seem to be much better runners... I don't know why that would be! D: Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great vid. The side by side comparisons (on screen) work really well. I'd say the railroad version is best for those who are either happy with the lower detail or are confident enough to hand paint most of the missing detail. The only real difficult bits of detail (in my view) is enhancing the railroad lettering, and I'm sure there are waterside transfers available to add those in. Tender pickups shouldn't be all that difficult to add either.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Edward - glad you liked that! I agree - if you have the skill, then Railroad locos are great projects! Yes that's true - I suppose you could add tender pick-ups too if you wanted! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Good interesting video Sam. I often wonder what the difference between the two Hornby ranges are. Well presented too. I look forward to seeing more from you.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Alan - to be fair, there's not much difference with these, but with others (the black 5 for instance), the difference is massive! Cheers, Sam :)

Lovely video Sam thanks for sharing

Wow! Not far off 100,000 subscribers now then. Well done, and well deserved! :)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the support mate, really appreciate it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Good to see some variation in the content even though this isn't really my type of video but keep it up

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Liam - not to worry, I won't be doing these too frequently! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I've been waiting for this! Although you will not be able to convince me that my railways P2 isn't excellent!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

haha that's fair enough mate - I don't consider it excellent, but there are much worse ones out there! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@miscellaneous.7127

6 жыл бұрын

When it comes down to it: Performance: 7/10 Detail: 8/10 Build quality 9/10 Character: 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/10 Value for money: 7/10.

Looks Very Good Sam and i Love Your T-Shirt Keep Making Great Video and I'll see you on your live stream soon.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

haha thanks a lot mate - glad you liked the shirt ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@jamesbradford4550

6 жыл бұрын

A p2 is being rebuilt

@jamesbradford4550

6 жыл бұрын

Garry King 2. P2s dont exist at the moment in real life but they are rebuilding one of the p2s streamlined and it will be finished in 4 years, sad were all scrapped.

@lanc7575

6 жыл бұрын

LaZeR JET omg LaZeR JET

@LaZeRJET

6 жыл бұрын

Um Yes? Hello

Ah the P2 mikado! An interesting case of using a wheel arrangement meant for freight on passenger trains. They’re beautiful 3-cylinder mikados. Wonderful that they’re building two new mikados

I do like the idea of comparing the different variations of the Hornby range, especially the Railroad ones. However, when I was younger, going back to the food train video you did, I used to fill my wagons up with peanuts, Smarties, Chocolate buttons, Magic Stars, Skittles, whatever and that was really fun, especially when I had Thomas, Percy and the Jinty tank engines and the trucks to play with.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Lewis - ooh that's a fun idea - I've definitely done my fair share of that, lol ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@davidsheriff8989

Жыл бұрын

Ya don't get hungry then ?

Hello Sam its Michael F, just wanted to say i really loved your comparison video. I have the hornby railways P2 with the stock moder. Heres a good tip for it. what i found out when i first got it is that it never ever cuts out on bachmann HO points so if your p2 cuts out on points it runs really well over bachmann ho points

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael, really glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for the tip - I'll give bachmann points a try! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam. These locos had a rotary cam type valve gear. You are used to seeing Walscherts which has lots of moving parts. The valves on these were driven like a camshaft in a car, hence that block (gear box) and carden shafts leading to the valve chests. Nice to see a loco modeled with it for a change. The 'Duke of Gloucester' and certainly one Standard class 5 still have this system (British Caprotti), I believe that a few Black fives (one preserved) and 9F's were fitted with it as well. Nice video as always, thank you (I got the RailRoad version...)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the comment Douglas - yes I now know that you wouldn't see much movement in that system - but I still think it would have looked better if done in metal, rather than that flimsy plastic! Glad you enjoyed it anyway - and the Railroad version was easily the better runner straight out of the box! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@douglasfleetney5031

6 жыл бұрын

I concur with it being metal, especially on the detail version, however they do tend to build to a price. I have had a good few problems with her staying on the road though. Unless it is a billiard table on the levels she jumps off at the drop of a hat. I have the same problem with my H class 0-4-4 and if I am running any of my 4-6-0's tender first. This only seems to affect my Hornby stock as my Bachmann C class 0-6-0's seem to ride over anything with no problems at all. Have you had any issues with the P2?

Beautiful locomotives I wish I could have all the trains you do great video Sam

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate - really glad you like them all :3 Cheers, Sam :)

Hey, Sam! I recently found out that the last three driving axles for Prince of Wales arrived at Darlington within the past week or so, and orders have been placed for other components. The estimated completion date, subject to resources, is 2021.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Ooh really? That's absolutely fantastic news - one step closer to being a runner then! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Very interesting, I've just purchased the railroad model for my conversion that I have been working on. Which if you're interested is the LNER P2 2003 Lord President. Interesting that the loco comes with quite a few details I'm quite amazed that I'll get the Cylinder Cocks, cab doors and footplate extra's, I'm very impressed.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate - that sounds very interesting, good luck with the conversion - yeah the detail for a Railroad loco is superb! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Great comparison Sam!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! :D

Hey Sam! I have recently ordered a A1 Flying Scotsman with the original tender she had in 1923, I reckon I will get this model next it has been on my list for a while.

The P2 is an absolute fantastic locomotive. I own a gloss finish of it. Even though it STILL has the same tooling as the railroad tooling. But, believe it or not, she still ran as smooth as the railroad version did. Great vid Sam ;)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear mate - the glossy version really is impressive - I once had one to service - it was gorgeous! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Nice caparison vid Sam... Enjoyed it. & Nice T too

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, really glad you liked it, and the T, lol ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

sam amazing video nice music and great camera skills too also, could you a review a BR black 5 because im thinking of getting one for my railway but i dont know how good they are. (:

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi mate, thanks so much - okay I'll take a look at those, thanks for the idea! Cheers, Sam :)

Hi Sam back after I've had no Internet it's been a tough couple of weeks but nice video I always like to watch one of your vids when I wake up and when I've had no Internet for two weeks watching one of your latest videos cheers me right up I hope you can make more of the races loco against loco if so that would be great but yeah nice vid

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi mate - blimey that does sound tough! Hope you really enjoyed this though! I like that idea - I'll definitely do more soon! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great comparison sam! I was thinking about painting my railroad one but after seeing the super detailed one im not sur if i do want to paint my railroad p2 because i think there is an odd charm to it

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Sharky, ooh be careful - don't mess it up! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

A very comprehensive and honest review Sam...a very enjoyable watch. If you buy and run a locomotive, in 00 Gauge, then surely it's all about compromise. If the loco and stock look right at the distances that most of us view them, then surely that should be enough to allow the operator to enjoy the spectacle. Perhaps too much emphasis is being placed on details, that your eye just cannot detect when the trains are running. If the detail is that important and the locos are kept in a display cabinet, then do away with the motors etc, and this will greatly reduce both the cost of production, and more importantly the cost of purchase....Regards....Bob

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Robert - yes you're absolutely right, compromise is the essential part! Thanks again for the comment, Sam :)

Thanks Sam. I've been wondering how much difference there is between the two series. I think I will be focussing more on the mechanics for any future purchases.

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Pat - yes that'd be wise I'd say! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Brilliant video Sam

@SamsTrains

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much James! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Good video Sam well produced liked it. I had the same problem with TTS version poor motor Mike of Mikes Videos told me which motor to have fitted never looked back.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much mate - yeah absolutely, once you get those decent motors in there, you're laughing ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

The point is they were affordable to the masses, unlike today of Elitist Priced Product. IT is the pricing and low quality that is alienating everyone else who loves model toy trains. Which you highlight very well in your lovely videos - Thank you Sam for sharing

Excellent in-depth information on the many things which constitute the Hornby Railroad Class P2 and the Hornby Railways version of the same Loco. In your Jan. 2022 KZread you pointed out the drive motor might be a 3-pole - or might be a 5-pole and I have a reply from Hornby (Glen, I think it is) who said mine (the detailed boxed one) will be a 5-pole motor. Excellent - I sha'n't have to dismantle it and run the risk of damage to the screw heads &c., to find out. However the tender in my super detailed boxed 2021 version has no pickups and therefore no interconnecting cables between Loco & Tender. The grab rails are separate and, I assume, wire - but are non-magnetic non-conductive because of being painted anyway - but I doubt they are plastic?

Don't forget the Hall and Duke of Gloucester: they're the same tooling in both ranges! I recently bought a railroad hall and was pretty impressed with it.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi mate! Ooh is that so? I didn't know the Duke of Gloucester appeared as a Railroad model? Did the Hall end up in the railways range too? I don't remember seeing those actually - but you might be right! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@DNash-wz3mz

6 жыл бұрын

www.hattons.co.uk/60226/Hornby_R3168_Class_8P_4_6_2_71000_Duke_Of_Gloucester_in_BR_Green_with_late_crest_Railroad_ran/StockDetail.aspx www.hampshiremodels.co.uk/products/hornby-r3205-oo-gauge-br-hall-class-4965-rood-ashton-hall?variant=3707106328599

@DNash-wz3mz

6 жыл бұрын

They were so-called 'design clever' in the same sense as the P2: Great for Railroad, a bit naff for full-spec but the same tooling. The railroad edition of the hall, especially at hatton's current £57 price, is fantastic. My one is the recent BR Green edition - just need to add the black to the lining on the tender.

Mine came in the Train Set, so a railroad version. Runs sweet. Will be getting the silver paint out

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Ooh pretty good - glad to hear it runs well for you! :D Merry Christmas, Sam :)

great job and informative. cool

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Paul! :D

I would be happy to gave the railroad version, as I can always pick out my own hand painted details if need be. One can always purchase the tender pickups separately and fit them if absolutely necessary. And as I am more technically inclined I would move the TTS to the tender.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bruce - yeah with a bit of skill the Railroad version would be a great buy! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

That 'thing' that looks like a 'Westinghourse' is in fact an ACFI Feedwater Heater. Gresley was good friends with the great French engineer, André Chapelon, and having seen the massive increase in efficiency in the French engines, he decided to use it on 2001. Unfortunately, as British coal was rather superior to French 'bug dust', any savings fuel-wise were wiped out by maintenance costs. Also note that the Kylchap double chimney here modelled is again Chapelon influenced: 'Kylchap' being a contraction of the two designers - the Finnish Kylälä and the aforementioned Chapelon. Hope that helps. I would add that if anyone can make a working representation of Rotary Cam valve gear, it would be a miracle: I don't even think Fulgurex have done it (and i they made it, Cock o'the North would sell for £2000 or so!). Check Duke of Gloucester - did its work? (Yep I know - the LNE loco had Lentz valve gear and 'The Duke' Caprotti, but in model form they're pretty similar). The problem with Railroad model, livery-wise, is that it is simply 'not' in LNER livery. That requires the white edging around the washout plugs and other details. And of course missing the cylinder lining-out is also wrong. As to the lettering - that is a complete deal-breaker. Unshaded letters came in during the war - by which time the locos were in austerity black! PS The TTS chip is giving the sound of the P2 doing about 30mph when the model is doing 50+. Not good of Hornby...

The motor issue is a sad, sad display of Hornby incompetence these days. A popular model, without readily available spare motors? That's mental. Even Tornado and Flying Scotsman lack spare motors. Unacceptable when the motors die within a few overall hours...

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

I agree - I don't know why either! The only thing I have noticed is that it's many of the TTS locos that have had them.... maybe they think the sound will cover up the dreadful noise? Most likely, using a cheaper motor means they can increase perceived value for money on the TTS stuff... and make a better profit? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I'm considering getting back into model trains after watching your videos! They are really awesome! What scale engines are the ones you purchase? I use to like the bigger sized ones when I was a kid, but now I'm thinking the smaller sizes may work better with my living space. Thanks!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear Jake, hope you have fun! Mine are 00 gauge, which are also compatible with H0! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

8:57 Quick question, if you wanted, could you paint/sharpie the railing with silver to make them stand out on the Railroad one, provided you had a steady hand? Great video as always. PS. I think--if I could afford either--that I'd go with the Railroad one and just paint on some extra detail! Very carefully of course. Cheers.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Patrick - if you were skilled enough, you could completely transform both of these models - so if you can do it, then yes! Unfortunately, I'm not one of those people - but they are out there! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

This is such a good video very well done

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much mate, you're very kind! :D

Excellent review thanks Sam - Joachim

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate - much appreciated! Cheers, Sam :)

I heard some buzz about a Cock o' the North model recently. Wonder if it was one of these. Anyway, great as always to see a video from you, Sam!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Ooh nice! Yeah this is based on the cock o the north loco in real life! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi sam. Really good to see you again, another cracking video. And i myself hvr these two. And i agree that i was supprised but the lack of "super detail" on the dcc loco. But have done a custom paint job on my railroad version which is quite nice. I dont know if you have but i have a locomotion gloss finish of the A3 flying Scotsman in BR green as it is now with support coach. I would love if one we could somehow do what you have done with this or other locos or simply review her. Let me know what you think. Cheers Matt

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Matt - I agree - someone earlier said that the Railways P2 is a Railroad loco pretending to be a Railways one - I think that's a really good way of looking at it! Ooh that sounds fantastic - I just can't get enough of those glossy finishes! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I love my sound P2, one problem though if you have the tiniest bump in the track the front bogie comes off. My ones Motor is perfect, it’s very strong and pulls all of my coaches. Using my digitrax controller it’s slow speed is amazing!

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear that! Yes the front ponies are well known for derailing - particularly on points etc :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Hello Sam, lovely video, thanks. Could you let me know if you can say what the minimum curve-radius the P2 will run on? and in the video there is a chicane clearly showing both locos managing it just fine at 22:30 into the video, what radius is that chicane" Cheers mate. :)

As well as the P2 I think the Duke of Gloucester and the Hall class had main Range and Railroad versions. I went for the full version of P2 but without sound. For me it was the lining that I wanted . The main version has the LNER black white black lining , while the Railroad version only has white , you can see that quite clearly on the tender and in the cab area. Have to say I’ve never had a problem with it , relatively smooth a quiet. The model comes from design clever period which is why they have three pole motors . Interestingly even the best Bachmann locos only ever have three pole motors . I really can’t tell the difference.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Russell - yes I've heard that - I never realised those were in both ranges, but if they are then I stand corrected! Yeah definitely - I don't think it's very clever personally though ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

If you wind up getting one of the A2/2 locomotives, you should do a Round Two!

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Ooh that's a great idea!! :D

I have a Hornby Flying scotsman and i painted the cab and the locomotive to a super-detail one! 😎

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh that sounds epic actually!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I think I'm right in saying the BR Duke Of Gloucester is the same underlying tooling for both the Railroad and Railways versions. (It caused quite the stir at the time.)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Oliver - you might be right - I didn't realise the Duke appeared in the railroad range, but if it did - then you will be right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Don't feel bad, Sam. Most of my very expensive Märklin models don't have painted cabs either. :p

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

haha thanks Jonatan - I think that's pretty unacceptable too! I would assume that those models are at least decent quality though?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Question: are you going to the model train comvention at the SECC tomorrow? I'm going there and I'm going to see if I can get my hands on any second hand Thomas stuff

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi mate - unfortunately I have a lot on tomorrow, but I would love to visit that one day! :D Cheers, Sam :)

May I ask another question? Do you ever put any of the detail packs on any engines that come with the pack? p.s Wonderful video :)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Allen - no generally I prefer to try to keep them in as-new condition! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I like the p2 class

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate - me too! :D Cheers, Sam :)

Great video, Sam....... I'm pretty sure I don't need the extra pick up points, and 50 quid will buy a lot of detailing paint.

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks David - I've always found the more pickups the better, but you're right about that! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Thanks for doing this, I would go with the Railways range for more painted Details.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

No problem mate - yep that's a sound argument - you certainly do get better painted detail on these! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Excellent review. 1. Hornby RailRoad Range for beginners and Hornby Railways for advanced modellers or 2. Hornby RailRoad Range for daily use and Hornby Railways for collectors or 3. Hornby RailRoad Range for people with a smaller budget and Hornby Railways for people with a larger budget and more differences, quality control not included, hehe

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Norbert - yes I think those are good points! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Wow! Speaking of the P2s, I can’t wait for that new one to be completed! I think if they weren’t rebuilt, Cock O The North would probably have been preserved! In fact, 70% of the parts on the P2s are the same as Tornado, including the tender and the boiler!

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryno - absolutely, it's going to be amazing when that gets done! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@rynodynomyte2755

6 жыл бұрын

Your welcome Sam! Ryan :)

Also about the valve gear. I don't think at this current state that the valve gear would be able to be animated on the locos when you consider how small it is. It is a type of valve gear that looks similar to the coprotti equivalent (can't remember the name), and it consists of a pole that spins on an axis between piston and rotating axle. So getting that to work on a small model would be a bit impossible unless you were smart enough to make it work. But I agree a die-cast piece for the valve gear would be better then plastic.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with you completely - even if they could animate it, it'd probably cost a bomb! Really I just don't like their choice to use unpainted plastic, it just looks and feels tacky to me! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam, perhaps an update on your comparison video here. One main problem with the 3246 TTS is the poorer quality motor. I sold my Railroad model, as I really wanted the additional lining - body, wheels, etc - of the higher specification model. I had a slightly around the houses hunt for the replacement motor. The King X9108 is a straight drop in ... the one I received had a mid-grey brush/commutator cover end, and certainly was smooth and slow at the start, but was as anaemic as the stock-motored one for top end - not what I expected of the King motor. 'Revving' the motors with no resistance, they had the same pretty poor performance. I've noticed the best 5-pole skew-wound motors have a black can, and black/dark grey cover for the brushes/commutator. Just by looking alone, I guessed on the X6199 fitting - it 'looked right' - guessing dimensions, bush dimensions, and colours ... IT CERTAINLY IS!!! Top end is nearly on a par with the new streamlined Coronation - FAST!! Bottom end? Look at this!!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHuKwZisetKcZqw.html I left it on a piece of flexitrack as you see, for 5' and it was faultless, with no interruptions or hiccups, and only reached halfway!! Yes, I've 'lightly smoked' over the top of the body, to take that false sheen off it as well - looks fantastic!! Alan.

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Alan - yes I've done lots of research into this too - in the end I found some amazing 5-pole replacements on Ebay from China for about £2 each - they seem to be all gone now, but do keep an eye on there - they're great for the money! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@alantoms3263

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, that's interesting. Were they totally compatible? Mounting points? Skew wound? Bottom end torque - as indicated here, and top end revs? Alan.

@alantoms3263

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, thanks for the reply. These 5-pole motors, did they require any chassis adjustments, or did you find 'options' which suited the several different 3-poles Hornby has? Were they 'skew wound', which presumably gives a smaller overlap between poles when the armature is rotating, permitting smoother slow operation? Alan.

Amazing comparison! I think the railways version is better for a serious modeller who has some time and money to spare on modding it a bit.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! I agree - minus the cost, that's definitely the better model, with the exception of the motor of course! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great video! Maybe you can compare the Hornby Henry with the Bachmann Henry. That would be interesting! Best Regards, BrendamBranch

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! Ooh yeah that would be fun - nice idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Just a couple of general questions....is it shown on the box whether a hornby loco is a railroad or railway version? And secondly what's the differrence between DCC ready and DCC fixed? Sorry, I'm a begginer in a foreign land.

Sam, are both the Tenders the same moulding? The pick-ups should be available as a spare part and they could then be wired to the Loco pick-ups without using the silly little white plug. Martin. (Thailand)

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they are Martin, so with a bit of work you could add in the pickups yourself! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

I very much enjoyed that comparison, when is the next one.. lol

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

haha thanks Paul! I will try another at some point! Cheers, Sam :)

Great video Love both locos Guess what I’ve just pre-ordered CR 812 Class 828 from Rails of Sheffield I’m so exited 😆

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I love both too - and that's fantastic - I'm going to order one too, as soon as I know the price ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@caledonianrailwayman1312

6 жыл бұрын

It’s like this you pay £30:00 now for pre-order and pay the rest later If you already know that just ignore this

I've just bought a super detail version for £80 and was a bit apprehensive about it as I heard it wasn't very good but after seeing them compared, in my opinion the railroad one looks sickly and terrible without the painted details. I have hear of the motor issues but I have a Britannia engine left over so I can improve the reliability there but besides that i think I'm going to continue to detail it to the spec you would expect from a hornby railways model

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi mate - I think £80 is far far more like it for the super detailed version - and your right, the Railroad one loses a lot of 'life' without the superior paintwork! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great job

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

Hi, sam! This is a nice, useful and rather objectiive comparison of the two mysterious denominations that hornby uses for their locos. And you didi it great, as usual. I'm an argentinian lover of the british raylways models. I've got a class 31 and a class 47, the latter with tts sound. Both models belong to the railroad group, i was frankly ignorant of the difference,. When i had the chance of looking at them carefully, i realized that i had bought two locos exactly like hornby used to make 45 years ago. Disappointing. In diesels, the difference between railway and railroad is even more striking, isnt' it?? Perhaps you coud enlarge over this topic in future videos. Thank you very much indeed!!

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your comment - really glad you liked it! Yes they do seem to blur the lines between the two ranges... sometimes in a way that's a bit misleading! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Oh Nice! I Completely Forgot i had a Super Detailed on until this video Came up! Now i need to find it :)! Great Video, mines the one without TTS Sound, would you have any clue what the product code for it would be? As I can't seem to find any info on it whatsoever. Regards, Daniel (P.S We need to play minecraft sometime again, that was jokes)

@SamsTrains

5 жыл бұрын

Ooh nice Daniel - hope you can find it! I'm not too sure of the product number off hand - feel free to check my review for the model, it'll be on there during the box opening! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

17:13 look at the one wheel

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

Ooh yeah! :O

@talentlesscommentermdxxvii9419

3 жыл бұрын

Which one, I can see 10?

@brucewoods9377

3 жыл бұрын

Actually at 17:32 the tender wheels (central pair) are not turning and they jump

Hi Sam! Could you do a comparision video with Bachmann Lord Nelson Class with the new Hornby one? Or even a comparision with the BR Express Passenger Blue Livery Merchant Navy Class Unrebuilt with West Country Class?

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Kamil! If I get hold of the new Hornby one, then yeah sure I will do! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Geday Sam I would like to see you doing the motor convention on the dcc loco if possible ?.Glen Br.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Glen - thanks for that, if I ever have to do another, I'll be sure to film it! Cheers, Sam :)

Hello Sam! The P2 Peppercorn A1 class, actually came out around 2014, October 13th. Sincerely, Spud Our Lord and Savior

@Nick-vh2pe

6 жыл бұрын

As always though, it was a quite interesting video.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the info - yes that's right, I had it for Christmas that year! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Enjoyed the review more, having just received the TTS version, last Thursday, at a cost of £121. Do not know, what kind of motor it has, albeit, it creeps along, with no jerking.

@SamsTrains

5 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear - £121 sounds very reasonable for this! I wonder if they've started using 5-pole motors again then?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Hi Sam. Just awaiting my (hopefully) bargain P2 railroad version from Amazon Germany in the warehouse sale - just puzzled as you say the railroad version has a 5 pole motor - but it says 3 pole on the Hornby website?

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh very exciting - that's interesting too - wonder if it is just 3 pole then?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

So, when are Samstrains t-shirts going to become available? I know I'd buy one ^^ - Alex

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

haha thanks Alex - I've looked into doing that - but they'd end up costing customers £20+.... since I'm always going on about value for money, I thought it'd be hypocritical to sell them for that kind of money! So unlike Hornby - I'm either going to find a way to make them more affordable, or I won't do it at all ;D Thanks a lot for your lovely support, Sam :)

@karenloughhead6104

4 жыл бұрын

:)

Is it possible to change the buffer beam and buffers with the sprung metal buffers? (this includes the tender, of course!)

i got one of these { tt sound } is a hard job changing the motor.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony! The hardest part was finding the new motor - once you have one, it's not too difficult to change if you're careful! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam :). Nice to see ya. What a great video of course. Make It more please. Cheers, Genta :)

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Genta - I will try to make more! :D Cheers, Sam :)

@genta_muhammad

6 жыл бұрын

Sam'sTrains thanks for answering me in 4 minute

Saw these at a model event side by side and too be honest its the same loco just one has extra detail than the other. Its basically what you want from a model but for value i would choose the railroad edition everytime

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel - absolutely right, it is the same loco, with some variations! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Great comparison, I almost through they are look the same

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! Yeah they do, until you look very closely! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Very very good idea, hopefully one you'll repeat later. I assumed all new motors would be 5-pole, and fitting 3-pole into the Railway models doesn't make sense - you then wonder where else they cut corners. (Is it true you will be have a Meerkat as a guest lol) Alan.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan - I will try to do this again soon! I thought they were too - but actually most of the Bachmann ones are just 3-pole, which is crazy for how expensive they are!! D: Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Love the vid. Where can we buy the shirts???

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I'm not selling shirts sadly - they turned out to be just too expensive :/ Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Hi Sam, many thanks for the mention. Yes it was a bitter disapointment how very low quality the motor was in this flag ship loco from Hornby, for me it marked the decline of a previously well trusted brand. Interested to hear that the Railroad one has a five pole motor from the start! are the fittings the same?

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, no problem at all, I completely agree! I can't say for sure that the Railroad version has a 5-pole, because I haven't had it out - all I do know is that it runs 10 times better than my TTS one did! But yes, as far as I can see, the fittings were the same! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

@MikesMovies

6 жыл бұрын

when you next have the body off can you take a photo and let me see it please, drop it on my facebook. No rush just interested for the future.

At this point, I no longer purchase any loco without looking for his reviews on it. Well done indeed.

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

That's very good of you Adam, many thanks for the support! Cheers, Sam :)

Great video, can’t believe the motor is better in the cheaper model! Madness. Will the DCC loco run on a DC layout?

@SamsTrains

4 жыл бұрын

It is crazy!! And unfortunately the TTS sounds locos only work on DCC - you'd have to de-chip it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@radams581

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sam :)

Have you reviewed the Railroad Plus range Sam?

Damn. I just bought a railroad P2, and honestly, I’m kind of jealous of the Railways one for Th e extra detail.

@SamsTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh not to worry - they do still look great! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Thanks Sam for this clip you made on these two locos not got a P2 yet but after watching your video has got me thinking''' weather i should buy one or not if i did i would get the rail road version, But my biggest annoyance is both these models are Hornby and Bachmann do not do a P2 or even a B12. But when it comes to diesel locos ie the class 37 both manufactures do the same model why is this i wonder? As you pointed out on both models they got that nasty plastic false driving rod which is a big put off. So now the P2 is not on my priority list at the moment i think quality doses really matter and after then two different motors has made my mind up even more. Sorry for the long message but once again you done a fab job.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael - glad you enjoyed it! Yeah that's a good point actually - they don't seem to tread on each-others toes where steam locos are concerned, but they do with diesels... maybe there's less to choose from? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

Good comparison.

@SamsTrains

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Nigel! :D

I'm really considering getting myself 1 , is the Hornby A4 motor appliable for the Hornby P2 ?