I owned an ‘05 AP2 and your criticism about the lack of power is valid. But it was a blast to drive on the tight twisty backroads in my area. Keeping it the power band is like riding a middle weight Japanese sportbike.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it really needs to be above 6k to really have fun

The fact that we continue to use the S2000 as the benchmark for many modern sports car after nearly 25 years, tells you everything you need to know about it. S2000s come from a different era of Honda motoring, where naturally aspirated/high revving engines were the norm. In stock form, they never were torque monsters by any stretch of imagination. Most American drivers are used to low-end torque and straight line driving, that's why Honda increased engine size in the second generation (AP2). To get the best experience out of these engines you have to drive them in anger, keeping the engine "in cam" above 5,000 RPMs and all the way to redline. Drive it like it only has four gears and you will be rewarded. Keep 5th and 6th gear for the highway. AP1 owner for the last 11 years.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

Yup

30 minutes after this was posted, I looked at your website and it shows it already sold. Awesome job Dan!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it actually sold 2 days ago. LOL! I had filmed this last weekend. Doh

On the vast majority of UK roads, these make way more sense than pretty much any Ferrari and the majority of Porsches (not older Caymans/Boxers), fantastic cars as they are.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, tight twisty roads is where this car belongs.

Dan discovering real sports cars :)

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Eh I've driven a lot of various cars now...

An icon, only the Ferrari 458 managed to break the HP per liter the S2000 held for 10 years

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yup!

Driving a slow car fast is fun. You mentioned the 355. Flogging that car just to hear the music of it's engine is the best!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yes indeed.

@web

3 ай бұрын

Till maintenance kicks in

@Boasandpythons

3 ай бұрын

@@web Everything takes maintenance.

Car belongs in a canyon, with lots of curves. Driving this thing at high revs its incredibly fun, not really a fast car in a straight line. Its easy to make a high hp car, just put a turbo or supercharger, but not that easy to make a car that connects so well with the driver like the s2000. Its a very special machine.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

Yeah in the twisties it was a blast

Loved the review of the s2000 Dan. Well done. The car is what it is. A sporty track worthy toy. It's versatile nimble and just a hint of danger going around corners. Liked it along. Again....great honest review.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yes indeed!

That sounds so awesome when you rev it out! Thank you! It sure did put a smile on your face and that laugh 😂😂😂!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I had fun! 9krpm is always a good thing

@17forever64

4 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar that was a good price on that car, I looked them up after the video and y’all’s price was really competitive!

Dan, in the past I owned a 2007 Miata with 160hp. I really enjoyed that car, but I sure did wish for more power. A 300-325hp lite weight aluminum V6 would have been about perfect, especially if Mazda would have used a transaxle setup for equal weight distribution.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

That would make it MUCH better in my opinion.

I've test driven an S2000 on Mulholland Dr. A lot more fun in the canyons. Ran it back to back with a 981 Cayman and 370Z. t was fun!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah they definitely need to be in the twisties

I agree the lack of torque makes the acceleration underwhelming. It's not a straight line drag racing car though. You see how good it is in the corners and like you said, it's amazing on the twisty back roads. Glad you finally drove it Dan!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yes indeed

@Strugglin

2 ай бұрын

Slap a supercharger or turbo like modern cars have and there you go you have torque in your smoking most the shit on the road

Great video, Dan. Yep, Honda MT are among the best shifters. I would look for a 2006 or later S2K so I could use the Hondata reflash to lower the VTEC point. I had their reflash on my 2005 TSX - brought the VTEC point down to 5K RPM. Nice.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Ah nice

It's a momentum car. Perfecting trail breaking with smooth inputs entering a corner and exiting out is what makes the car special. High torque and horsepower cars are a dime in a dozen today especially in American muscle or EV cars. Seeing someone going fast in a straight line is way more common and less impressive compared to seeing someone that can attack a corner at high speed. Having a reliable lightweight sports car with analogue technology with only ABS and EPS makes driving the car more rewarding. The S2000 is pretty comfortable in long drives too, so you don't end up feeling beaten up with too harsh of a ride like in a Lotus Elise. The AP1 you drove does not have traction control, so it's very rewarding and fun. However, it is not a safe car for newbie drivers (young and old) that lack driving experience in rear-wheel-drive cars because they end up crashing and totaling the car. Thier natural fear reaction is applying the breaks when the rear wheels start to swing out when it loses traction which makes the situation 1000 times worse.

@normalguysupercar

5 күн бұрын

Yeah

Down play it all you want, but we saw you smiling while rowing those gears. :-). I owned one of the early production 2000 S2000's when they came out, to this day I regret selling it. Got a mere $20k for it with just 23k miles on it back in 2005.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it. I'm simply saying I like more power.

Several years ago, 3 friends at my job had the AP2 version. One day they parked together then the owner of the company drives and parks his F430 next to them. My co-workers lost their minds, the owner has his own parking space but for that day he joined them.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Lol

You got it right…it’s super-fun when you wind it out. Above 6K rpm, S2000 is a different car. I have owned two (current owner). Nothing better than a perfect 1st-2nd-3rd gear highway acceleration with this shifter and 8-9k rpm. I own faster cars, but enjoying a car that won’t result in felony speeding convictions is key. Not to mention, cost of maintenance is so cheap. Glad you experienced it.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I would probably never buy one, but I can respect it for what it is and see why so many people love it.

So I own a few cars. 2022 BMW M340 for everyday, 2020 Civic Type R and 2005 S2000 for track. M340 is my daily and dont have any plans to mod for tracking or anything for that matter. Maybe some new wheels. Type R is fully modded for the Track and making 370whp. S2000 I bought to also track, mostly stock except for springs and upgraded brakes for track. You're right about the power on the s2k, it lacks power but the handling and the feel of the car is where it shines. I've tracked both cars same day at Road America once, I found myself feeling more rewarding with the s2000 than the Type R. S2000 2:57 Best Lap of the day, Type R 2:58 Best lap of the day. Insane! You're spot on with your review! Best way to drive these is like you stole it! Thanks for the review!

@normalguysupercar

18 күн бұрын

You bet!

Fun video ride along. Thank you kind sir.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I hid a n20 kit on a buddys years ago and it made 312 at the tire the car still runs today same shortblock no issues "rarely sprayed" These are mini corvettes Dan. looks at wheel base engine placement ...the f20/22 is great! "yes great first sports car and better than the Miata.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that would make it a lot more exciting. I'm just used to high power cars so the acceleration is meh... But the rest of it was fun.

Known a few people that had them and they all said it was a fun ride. Gotta say it sounds great !! Great job selling it !!! Cheers !!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

In the late 80's and early 90's with the development and rollout of the original NSX , the world 's elite car manufacturers were shocked into reality that they needed to wake up, improve, or go away. They had been barely surviving, just scraping by as they lost money offering fragile, unreliable offering from the previous decades. Honda bitch slapped them awake like a WWF wrestler hitting Geraldo. It was clearly apparent a supercar could be built offering everything the customer wanted without the grief. The S2000 wasn't the NSX by any means, but the two seat inexpensive convertible sports car was also revolutionized. Goodbye Alfa Romeo, Fiat,MG, and Triumph. Hello MX5 Miata and S2000. Pure driving experience without adding oil to your carbs, fixing electrical problems or filling the cracks in your driveway with rust flakes from a deteriorating bodywork. It's often overlooked when seeing a Civic or Accord at a stop light, just how big an impact Honda has made in the car world. Not the same in performance, but the MX5 Miata from Mazda has made more 10 best lists since it's creation than any Ferrari, Lambo or McLaren. If the S2000 could have been priced a few thousand cheaper it would still be around today instead of the Mazda.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

It's unfortunate that Honda never continued that product offering

Yeah cost of ownership per year is what oil change cost on the Ferrari. It is a fun car but it’s unfair to compared to an exotic.😅

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Very true!

Overall power is not great, but the biggest complaints I've seen come from people who want low end torque and are shifting around the 4k-6k RPM range. Like you said, it doesn't even wake up until 6000 and you're supposed to wind it out to that redline. The natural fun of an S2000 is top down whipping it around twisty roads, especially a nice cool canyon if you have one. I've driven much more powerful cars, but you can beat on an S2000 on public roads without hitting 100+ accidentally, which you just can't do with a powerful car.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

For sure

I love the power to weight ratio is what makes her a catch. I love it 🥰

@normalguysupercar

24 күн бұрын

That's good

Mind you, that the s2k was produced in 2000, and it held most horsepower per displacement for 10 years until Ferrari finally were able to surpass it with the 458. There are many amazing aspects about this legendary car that you are not quite aware of besides what I just mentioned in the latter. Comparing it with a Miata is a big no, no. Getting a clean low mile s2k at $40k is a bargain because these legendary cars are only going to keep going up guaranteed. The most expensive one sold for $200k. It’s not surprising that they hit $70k-$150k on other ones as well. Ferrari learned from Honda as they always do, and still Ferrari can’t seem to get it perfect as Honda always does. There’s a lot to be known about this masterpiece of a vehicle.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

For sure, in it's day it was very impressive.

@yukonstriker1703

2 ай бұрын

It's still impressive today, for what it's intentions were/are..

@rareblendcars

Ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercarthe S2000 is very impressive for a 20 year old car! You should really learn more about cars.

@1HeatWalk

5 күн бұрын

Let us see if the engine from the 458 can last as long as the F20C in milage in that Honda.

They are fun to drive, and pretty strong aftermarket and upgrade path

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yes, very true.

It was built in the same factory a the NSX, I sold them new.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah

Small underpowered sports cars can be a lot of fun. My 2000 Toyota MR2 is terrible buzzy transportation on the interstate, but it is about ideal at 50 mph on a twisty two lane road; being incredibly light and nimble. Plus, it's a Toyota that gets a lot of miles on just gas and oil.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, the momentum cars really need a tight twisty road, not the long open stretches.

I wonder if all the shortcomings you mentioned you're not a fan of is why I've seen so many modified ones too. Because they all sound like the reasons for some modifications I've seen.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

That's probably true

Would love your thoughts on the Boxster 986 someday.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Ok

Hi , Dan . Honda F1 engineer at work , back then . 😂 It's too bad , it's already sold . I would buy it .

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Well we are on the hunt for more

So what would you suggest to buy in $35k-$40k range, something that’s more fun than S2000?

@normalguysupercar

Ай бұрын

Mustang, Corvette, BMW, Mercedes. Lots of choices

exactly like you said, seems fun to just use the whole powerband often, you cannot criticize if you dont use it...

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Preferably the top 25%. :)

Had an identical AP1 back in college, you have to rev the p!ss out of it pass traffic. Totally gutless below 6k. Cool to experience though...

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it wakes up at 6k.

Fun car. I would argue very affordable. Sub 40k mile examples in good condition frequently sell on BaT for mid $20k

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

They seem to be much higher than that lately.

@1855Media

4 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercarAn ‘01 with 36k miles (clean car fax) sold for $27k last week. Super low mileage, final model year, special trims, etc. go for more, but easy to find a great driver for under $30k.

Dan, did I spy a bright blue Lexus back in the corner?

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yes.... It's my neighbor's, he's storing it at the Stubb temporarily.

I'll take superb handling, shifting, and cornering not to mention ultra-reliability over more power. I've driven my AP1 for 14 years and wouldn't think of driving anything else.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

Why not all of the above??

The s2000 is not a high horsepower car in today's standards, but definitely a very fun and raw driver's car!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yup

AP2s (different engine)fetch more money and while you concede some of the redline I think it would cure most of your complaints….that and these need to be driven at the upper limits, it can take awhile to get used to that. I’d be interested to see your take on a lower mileage AP2.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

I'm certainly interested in trying one

You started to get it when you spoke of the twisties. Touge is the context. Rev speed 0 to 9k is irrelevant when it is designed to stay above 5k in the twisties. Actual speed is secondary to sensation of speed/connection with the vehicle in the context of touge.

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Indeed

What was it listed at?

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

$16,900

One of the greatest cars that’s affordable!!! Hondas run forever!! Hit a curb, doesn’t phase them. 309-400,000 mikes. No problem. I live in my 3009 Accord with a 4 cylinder with 274,000 miles. Runs like a champ!!! Everything still works, no squeaky parts, no leaks, sunroof doesn’t leak. And 2009 was supposedly their bad year. I beg to differ. My 01 Mustang GT convertible 4.6 manual died at 147,000.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's one of the really impressive parts about these. Damn near impossible to kill

@SSV-i-c-e

4 ай бұрын

Wow whats a 3009 accord like man is it nuclear powered ?and its a house as well?lol

@Arthur-ke9vz

4 ай бұрын

@@SSV-i-c-e ooops, 2009

Back in the day I saw an interesting car review these. They did 0-60 shifting at redline and it came up in 4.5 sec or something like that. Then they decided to drive it and shift at what would be redline for most any other performance engine so they chose 6500 rpm… over 9 seconds to 60! LOL! So, yeah, you have to rev the piss out of that thing to have any fun at all!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Lol

If the engine is good my opinion would be to supercharge it, I've owned my S2000 for nearly 10yrs & that was one of the first mods I did, transformed the car, Rj in Oz

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it sounds like that's what it needs

To get the most fun out of it you need twisty roads or a small track, straight line speed is disappointing in it

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah exactly. I bet it's a riot on a short track

I would strongly recommend you try some track days in something other than just a Ferrari. Once you gain some more automotive experience and knowledge you will hopefully learn that horsepower is not everything. That’s what most kids think about cars. But as you gain more experience with a wider variety of cars (outside of only Ferraris) you’ll see that there is much more to driving than just straight line horsepower. Anyone can drive a Ferrari in a straight line: it takes a lot more skill to pilot an NSX or S2000 around a track!

@normalguysupercar

Ай бұрын

I would suggest not making assumptions about what cars I've tracked.

How is the S2000 compared fun per $ to proper super cars on the road?

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

They are certainly a huge margin cheaper but honestly the supercars are just that much dramatically more fun and awesome.

Hey Dan. My sincerest apology about the other night when I asked where a certain person is. With my cancer issues I missed a few of your uploads the last year or so. I just try and catch up here and there. I really didn't know that there is some issue between you and you know who. Once again I do apologize

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

No worries, it's all good.

Need to throw a turbocharger package on it! 🙂

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

That would liven it up a lot.

0-80mph isn’t where this car lives… It thrives 80-140mph 😅

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

I suppose

I absolutely love ❤️ the Honda S2000..

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

It's a great car

We need a Meg review of the s2000

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Well it's already sold...

On the mountain twisty I actually prefer this over my GT3

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Depends on the road

Funny enough the S2000 is a fast car here in Europe hehe

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

On twisty country roads it's fun

Got mine tuned with bolt ons, wakes up around 4000-4500.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah

They are neat, fun cars. But even as durable as Hondas are, I look at the typical previous owners, like the kid down my block who owns one, and I think about how many times a typical S2000 has had the engine bounced against the 9000 RPM rev limiter or it’s been drifted. Much hipper than a Miata, but all in all I’d go with a Boxster if nothing else based on average age and maturity of previous owners.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

They are kinda the same caliber for performance

Comparing a naturally aspirated 2 L S2K with the typical highly boosted 4-cylinder engine of today is a mismatch and of course the performance will suffer in comparison. However, the S2k cranks out more HP per its NA 2L than everything but one of the newer Ferrari NA 4-cylinder engines. Not bad for an old car.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

Yup

I drive an AP2 S2000 and I do not think it’s Meh. Like you said . It’s actually more reliable than those high maintenance high priced Ferraris . I was considering a Ferrari but after seeing what a pain in the A$$ they are I prefer my S2000 any day. Look at F1 who is dominating yep you guessed it Honda.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

ok

I guess you can call it mediocre but it wasnt when it came out.. slap a turbo or supercharger on it with a small amount of boost and it will smoke a lot of cars on the road that come

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Yup

S2000. Turns out there's a reason they're highly coveted by enthusiasts.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yup

In order to have that excillerating 9000rpm redline, the rest of the rev range drives like a 1.6 D series motor. Absolutely nothing down low. Its also a little on the chunky side for whatever reason. Over 2800 lbs! No wonder modern day brz/gr86 are faster. Still one of the all time greats, but it is a tad overhyped imo.

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it's a lot more fun near 9k than 4k lol

Ya need to long shift it. Stay in gears way longer.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah

Let Meg drive it and see what sort of review she gives it. Back in the day that was a really cool car.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

She unfortunately doesn't drive manuals

I’d do anything to have that car!!!!!!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Anything? LOL!

@Arthur-ke9vz

4 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar Dan, I’m at the end of my life I feel. Being a touring drummer for decades has destroyed my body. Add on cancer, heart valve replacement, and constant, unimaginable pain, yeah, probably anything short of something sexual. That’s why I admire you so much. I made a very good living and lived a great life, but didn’t plan ahead. Typical musician story. Just keep making great videos, and I’ll always enjoy them. God bless❤️

love the s2000

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

It's great fun for the value.

You're forgetting the s2000 came out in 1999!!! It's ALMOST 25 years old! Review it for it's era! Relatively, a Mustang in 1999 and many other cars were also slow relative to today. At the time, the s2000 was faster than it's rivals the Boxter and Z3 which means it beat it's rivals and did it's job. Then, you proceed to drive it and accelerate in a straight line when it CLEARLY only has 240 HP and is designed for a twisty back road where you can take advantage of the smooth short gears and front mid-engine balance. Would you take your Ferrari on a gravel road and then give it a bad review because it didn't have grip or ride clearance? Fail review.

@normalguysupercar

3 ай бұрын

Ok

“The dollars per smiles is pretty high”. That makes the car expensive per smile. Wouldn’t a buyer want that ratio to be low?

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Sorry the smiles per dollar

It’s not a Mitata, but it’s a good car to teach your wife to drive a stick. 👍🏻

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

True!

Driving an s2000 in a straight line expecting to have you hair blown back is your first mistake. The point and purpose of the car is "balance" and speed when the road gets twisty. There are videos of stock s2000 with capable drivers keeping up with Porsche and Ferraris on technical tracks. Cars that cost $200k + getting caught but of course on the long straights, the bigger HP pulls away just to get swallowed up when the twisties starts again. Balance.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Eh, I like balance and power.

Mediocre performance... Right. I guess it was too difficult for Honda to put in F20c a compressor and sell s2k with 350-450 hp.

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Cool

@ALEXANjunior

2 ай бұрын

My point is that lack of performance is something that should never be mentioned when we are talking about s2000. It is pointless in every aspect. Firstly because Honda could manage that with a turbo like Evo or Impreza And secondly because that was never the aim of s2000.

There is a tuner in California who puts the Civic S turbo 2L motor in these with a six speed. I am certain it is not cheap but it is quite fast. S2000 R AP2

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

That would liven it up a lot

Very nice for $5k!

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

They haven't been that cheap for a while.

@Hooligan6R

4 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar that’s where they should be priced. Driven several and they are way overrated.

IDK why these bring so much money. Like a Miata with a vtec.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Lol yup

Needs a supercharger

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

That would certainly add some fun

@ht1863

4 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar Look up LHT Performance on KZread. They have supercharged many s2000s with dyno results. Something you can probably DIY.

The same people who could buy the S2000 back then are the same buying the Miata/MX5 today... Gery haired blokes who drive 20 miles per hour under the sun with their wife on sundays... They don't care about how sporty it drives, they just enjoy clogging traffic... 😆

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

LOL that's partially true

6:57 revs to like 4,200 rpms and then disparages vtec. What a joke.

@normalguysupercar

Ай бұрын

Yes just ignore the other times I took it to 9k

@larrylampshade1734

Ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar way ahead of ya! ✌️

From a dig dump the clutch at 3,500, speed shift @ 9,000 when shifting. Do not let rpm go below 7,500. Typical non-s2000 driver who doesn’t know how to drive a S2000.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Cool story bro. I'll just go back to my 9krpm Ferraris.

Underwhelming, that's why people mods them I suppose.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Probably

As a street car these are dull and bland

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. I think it would be a lot of fun on a short track

Wow, who dreams of a powerless car? Don't they know what dreams are for?

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Lol

I’ve been saying the S2000 is overrated for years. Yes they are fun to drive but power is so far up the rev range. Compare this to a ND2 Miata which is about the same money and it’s night and day. Much more useable power band in the Miata and about 15 years newer.

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yup

Too small

@normalguysupercar

4 ай бұрын

Yeah