Wonderful

What is the source of this?

@melroycorrea7720

4 жыл бұрын

The Fathers of the Church reflecting upon the Revelation received in Christ who opens the Holy Scriptures for us.

The Holy Trinity is revealed in the baptismal of Christ. Nothing else of explanation is needed. Matthew 3:13-17 The Baptism of Jesus 13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

I am as puzzled as I was before regarding the trinity. It is not a question of squaring a circle (how can one be three?) but do we not still have a problem with tri-theism? God the Father is the One God; but both the Son and the HS are consubstantial with him? If I can predicate everything of the Son that I can of the Father (aside from that he is Father) then I am essentially making him equal to the Father. This seems to presuppose either a kind of modalism or tri-theism.

@dettoist

6 жыл бұрын

bayreuth79 each Person has a different function that the other two do not.

@eternalrose1302

6 жыл бұрын

No such thing as the trinity. God is the holy spirit. Jesus was born of the seed of God. Jesus was not born of the fallen Adam seed

@kennethcarter1323

6 жыл бұрын

Bayreuth. For the Patristic Fathers, the grounding of the trinity, with its conceptual framework, began with Middle Platonism of the 1st and 2nd centuries AND continued with NeoPlatonism of the 3 century. The Church Fathers of the 1st and 2nd centuries laid the groundwork for a synthesis or amalgam of Platonism(Forms), Stocism(logos), and NeoPythagorianism(Great Chain of Being) with further evolution in the 3rd century of the philosophies of Ammonius Saccas, Porphry, and Plotinus (The 9 Enneads); the work of Plotinus in particular. With Plotinus, the metaphysical and epistemological frameworks for a Trinitarian dialectic were cast for the Church, both East and West in fact, which has elicited dogmatic, unquestioning fervor ever since. This Trinitarian dialectic remains an Aristotelean starting point and is now beyond question for most of Christendom with immersion in the hypothases--ousia controversy to preserve monotheistic exegesis. The consequence, of course, has led to questions such as yours. Dr. Behr is a great philosopher and theologian but his starting point, as he has elsewhere conceded, is Greek mysticism where God is conceived as Perfect Unity and beyond all definition, prediction, thoughts, and attributes: "The One is Beyond Being" and can only be known by negation. But if one reads the Scriptures, in totality and as a starting point vs Greek mysticism, a much different ontological framework emerges however heretical to Hellenized ears.

@theodore8178

5 жыл бұрын

Bay, Well what do you mean by the term "God" if it just means an entity that is worshipped or is divine then there are three. If you mean you mean uncaused by the term "God" then there is exactly one God: the Father alone. That's what all the talk about procession and begetting and unbegotten is about. This infact very simple and easy to understand. If someone is not Monotheistic in the sense I said or has a problem with 3 divine beings then their problem is with Christianity.

@melroycorrea7720

4 жыл бұрын

Well, it makes him equal to the Father, but not the Father, for the Father shares all that he has with the Son, except his Fatherhood.

From the Father proceeds the Son and from the Son proceeds the Holy Ghost. The 'mind' of God IS the Son and as the Son puts His mind to 'work' and that work being perpetual IS the Holy Ghost the doer of all things.

@joshualeibrant3443

Жыл бұрын

Read my comment above