Great video and I still love your setup, I don’t comment often but always enjoy your content 😊

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! Thank you

I have a Brunner CLS MKII yoke since two years and you're absolutely right about everything. Once you go in FFB way there is no going back to Spring/Bungee yokes. Beside the advantages that you mentioned I'd like to add one more thing. When you're trimmed for landing you don't feel any weight on the yoke but as you start rounding out the plane and during the flare, as you reduce the throttle you'd feel the weight of the yoke/plane pulling forward as the plane gets out of trim again and this really makes controlling the flare much easier, more accurate and controlled compared to fixed resistance yokes/joysticks.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the insight on that. This is great for others to see. Are you X-Plane or MSFS?

@mofa9999

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia Exclusively MSFS.

@hobanagerik

4 күн бұрын

How are your fixing this to your desk? I have a mixed use desk so I can’t screw anything to it. I currently use a Yoko+ yoke clamp, and this works very well. I don’t know why they didn’t make one of these.

@mofa9999

4 күн бұрын

@@hobanagerik I have a dedicated desk for flight simming so fixing it to the desk is not a problem.

You've got to be kidding me. This thing costs more than my entire computer.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Yea they are expensive in the range of what flight sim yokes are but its pretty high end. Check out the sim racing market. Some of the wheel and base combos are way more than this. I'm hoping some entry level options may find their way in to flight sim in the next few years.

@ProperLeg

2 ай бұрын

I haven't got it ..... yet.... but I think its well worth it. Think about how often you buy something trash that u wish you could have paid more for to get better quality. Well... now that its here... don't get cheap minded. Buy good ONCE.... and you save in the future.

@airspro5666

2 ай бұрын

I have their FFB rudders coming . Buy once is also my motto .

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@airspro5666 your in for a treat.

Good video and a great sell for a force feedback yoke in general. Your setup is great at showing the various forces that interact with an aircraft. An FFB yoke fits right in.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate. The FFB stuff is amazing. I hope more budget options make their way on to the market so more people can experience it

loving the vids - keep em coming- request --- an inside look :) though I suspect the rivets are there to dissuade anybody from peering inside!!

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate. It probably could come apart but I'd be very nervous opening something up expensive. It not rally techy in that way

Totally agree that we should be able to change yoke heads with ease. I also agree with the software part. Even though I lost days trying to understand it and make accurate profiles and gotten to an ok level of understanding, I still believe they can make it a lot more user friendly without dumbing down any of the existing features. Just some good UI/UX...

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

I'm hoping they do give the software some attention. It runs flawlessly but yea, just some UI and hover tips would be a nice update.

It is fun to see you having so much fun. ha ha Good Honest Review. Thank You

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate. I love flight Sim and enjoy making the videos although I do come across a little boring and monotone.

Thanks for the detailed and accurate review. I got the smaller version combined with the pedals for 7 months now. This bigger version just did not fit my motion platform and triple screen setup. As a student private pilot, the smaller version is already excellent and very similar to real life. This is a must buy if you are into accurate flight sim setup. It is a no brainer vs some very expensive non force feedback yokes. The difference with my previous honeycomb yoke is night and day.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. How long have you been using the NG YOKE?

@bertrandschmitt7292

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia 7 months

I started using this yoke a few days ago, after managing to DIY the installation of the yoke and rudder on my simrig. I playing around with the TBM850 after adapting the profile of the TBM 930, after some trial and error wow I must say that I am learning to fly the plane in the simulator again. Fly the PMDG it’s a beauty too. This yoke makes you tired too, I just would love to find profiles for more plane. I am very happy with this yoke I saw your first reviews and decided to buy it.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Glad you're enjoying the yoke. What kind of rig have you fitted it to?

@JMsoo

2 ай бұрын

I have a track racer TR120. I had to purchase extra profiles and cut it to be able to do the set up!

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@JMsoo nice so it's a bit of a custom job.

@JMsoo

2 ай бұрын

Yes! As I know the only rig made for Brunner hardware out of the box are the one from MTSIM monstertech. I had to purchase one of their plates specifically made for the Brunner rudder and DIY it to my Track racer, because standard sim racing plates don't work.

The only thing that I could see myself using that integrated display for, is the stop watch. That is handy for timing the outbound leg of any instrument approaches procedure turn, for timing the outbound leg of a any hold, or even to calculating your distance traveled on the ground in any non precision approach that only uses distances as references.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

You sound like a pilot? Am I correct?

I recently purchased the Brunner NG based off your recommendation. Would you consider making a video on software configuration and saving profiles for planes?

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

This is something I have looked at before but not many people responded when I asked about it the last time. Maybe it's time to put one up though.

@mrbell845

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia that would be awesome! Thanks.

screwing it down is not the only way to mount it. You can make some custom clamp system for the front brackets and use double sided mounting tape for the back. Been using it like that for years without damaging the desk. The problem is when you want to mount it under the desk. I would need to put some L brackets on the top of the yoke and drill some holes in the case to be able to do that :(

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Yea I'm sure there are a few ways you could do it like that. I like the undermount with brackets idea.

The trick is to select the optimal profile (if available for your plane), so you don't have to tweak the advanced settings. I do like that they have exposed all the settings for those who want to. I have no regrets buying this yoke! Lots of force! Force feedback is especially helpful if you want that extra realism for flight training. I used the yoke display to keep an eye on how much force is applied by the yoke when tuning the parameters. PS I have the Bravo quadrant too and you might have notice how you have to turn the trim wheel a lot more than in real life! I hope to find a way to increase the resolution to better match the control in the plane...I might need to write a piece of software for that.

@DB-thats-me

2 ай бұрын

I wonder if it could replicate the forces required on a BN2A. (Brittan Norman Islander). Once described as the ‘Bull Worker’ of the skies due to its heavy controls. 😂

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Great advice for anyone. So you use the gauge to make sure your not clipping the FFB? I tell you I's love someone to make a good trim wheel. The bravo trim wheel actually inputs key clicks to turn. This is why its always been a bit crap.

@MichaelShaw_vk2hms

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia It will be interesting to see how the virtual Fly Trims NEO paired with the TQ NEO throttle qudrant compares with the HC Bravo.

Fantastic bit of kit. I agree that either changing the buttons or allowing for interchangeable heads would be nice as I think honestly Honeycomb has a more true-to-life setup than this which feels too "neutral" or generic in terms of buttons and hats.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

If they could make a 172 wheel and say a TBM as well as this Beechcraft yoke wheel I think it would be amazing.

I can imagine the smaller size of the yoke is probably helping the yoke remain tight and functional. if it was too big the forces exerted may cause loosening of some sort. I think they have already pre-thought this through. A good choice i think. Id rather have a smaller yoke that works like a horse for a long time than a bigger one that doesn't.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Potentially, there could be a reason for it. I suppose its not always wide to just assume.

Great review on the Brunner yoke! Been thinking of getting this yoke for quite a while now, but pricing and taxes is a major factor. But like you said, top tier quality FFB sim racing steering wheels and pedals have similar price point as well. Not sure if you heard of the upcoming FFB yoke by Flitesim? Better priced, similar Newton force and pitch travel but bigger footprint, which is a thing to consider for cockpit builders. Unsure of its overall performance until it’s being reviewed though. Aesthetically Brunner wins. By the way, do we need to purchase the CLS2Sim License to use the Brunner yoke, pedals etc? Or does it come packaged with the Yoke, pedals etc? Also, any future plans to review the Brunner CLS-E Airbus joystick? 😉

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Hello mate. Thanks so much. Yea the flitesim.com is quite interesting. I'm keen to see what it's like for the price. As for the software it actually comes with it. You only need to pay the extra for a commercial install. Private use you'll be all good.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Also I would like to put some time in to getting to know the stick. You're not the first person to ask about it. I've had quite a few messages and emails asking for my thoughts on it. I might reach out to Brunner and see what's possible.

@jmww600

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia thanks! Looking forward to it!

There are also other options available nowadays, which are a bit more affordable. You can also DIY with servo motor/controller 'kits' for even more savings. Unfortunately I have never tried a Brunner, so cannot say if the other options are better/worse, but they seem to have similar if not more capability. For comparison link to a video of my DIY stick and yoke setups kzread.infopDfqp2lq-_k

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Check out @CessSim. He's building just that at the moment. Unfortunately I just don't possess the skills for an undertaking like that.

How is the ffb with100% setting is it too strong for most airplanes ? Is it needed to have 110N pitch force or 40-60N of ffb is good enough to fly a big airplane like 737 or 747 ? Thanks

@g-locmedia

24 күн бұрын

I've certainly never flown a commercial jet so I have no idea how heavy they feel. I do however run the yoke at around 50% power, more or less.

@evanphotography5149

24 күн бұрын

@@g-locmedia so 50% you still require some forces to move the yoke handle or it’s pretty light and easy to move it back and forth ? Thanks again

@g-locmedia

23 күн бұрын

Depends on your air speed and turbulence. But yea even at 50% ish it can get quite tough

Hello, it has been the 10. of April 24 (so 11 days) when my Nrunner CLS MKII was delivered. On the main screen is says FLT (flight-time) 28:11:45 (hr:min:sec). this is the flight-time....., not sim-on-time or tinkering the profiles.... it is rearly adictive, Oh btw... X-Plane 12.0.9 compartible! no regrets, not for a single penny best regards Peter

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

So you're loving your MKII yoke? What made you purchase one the first place just out of interest?

@petererdmann7337

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia One thing to purchase one, were / are your videos / reviews. And I have a few hours on real planes ( PA28, C172, C185 ) and I felt something was missing in the sim, eaven in X-Plane. Yes, I love my MKII ! 28:11:45 (hr:min:sec) that is nearly three hours a day plus the tinkering in the start. I will purchase the CLS MKII Pedals soon (very soon) 😇

If you think Brunner is expensive just think that Virtual Fly sells Yoko Neo for 1900$ and it does not even have force feedback....

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Yes the neo is up there in price too. Although I've heard the quality of the NEO yoke wheel is like it just got pulled from a real plane. Has anyone used the NEO?

I would love if the turbulences would be accurate to the weather conditions in MFS. Often, it seems like the yoke reacts to arbitrary turbulence data, rather than what's actually occurring in the simulation. Perhaps this discrepancy is why you find the experience more realistic in X-Plane. I suspect it stems from the insufficient weather data provided by MFS, which gives it that "random" feel.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

You might be in to something there. I am testing out active sky at the moment to see if there's much difference.

@saren6538

2 ай бұрын

That all changed with active sky

@TGabrielTPOI

2 ай бұрын

@@saren6538 what is exactly Active Sky ?

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@saren6538 I don't feel like much has changed with active sky.

With the sudden influx of Force feedback controls into the flight sim space Brunner is going to have to adjust their pricing. Right now they are strait up ripping off their customers because they were one of the few providers.

Great review on the MKII. As an owner of this yoke paired with the CLS-E rudder, I agree 100% on your thoughts. The build quality is top notch and the flying is experience is a "I'm never going back" one. Dialing in the profile settings in CLS2Sim, is a steep learning curve with many parameters to consider depending on the sim and aircraft in use. It would be nice if Brunner opened up configuration to allow specific SIMVARs and LVARs to be used as it seems developers seem to have differences in how their product is intergrated in the sim. Regarding the display, I use the stopwatch/timer function and don't really care much for the other displays. Cheers, Mick

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind comments on the review. How long have you had the Brunner gear?

@MichaelShaw_vk2hms

2 ай бұрын

​@g-locmedia I purchased the yoke and rudder separately last year. The yoke is showing 120 hours.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@MichaelShaw_vk2hms still like new for you?

@MichaelShaw_vk2hms

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia For sure! I really like the quality feel of the yoke handle and thus far, there are no wear and tear artifacts evident. Everything is as tight as the day of unboxing. Regarding no switch, a switched mains outlet dedicated to the Brunner gear solves this issue.

I spotted the wheel size before you commented on it. Good for ‘small’ hands but even your mits looked over sized. P.S. You could get 10 hours on a REAL aircraft for that price.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Not sure if you're saying I have all hands or not lol 🤣. Yea it's about 15% smaller than than a bonanza yoke I think. It doesn't bother me at all but I think important for folks to know

@DB-thats-me

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia did you mean to say ‘all’ hands or ‘large’ hands? Either way, not a criticism. Just an observation. 🤓 Great post. 👍

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@DB-thats-me lol. All good. Just having a laugh

@JMsoo

2 ай бұрын

That’s what I thought too, but I took it anyway and this thing is a total game changer.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@JMsoo it is an amazing yoke. How long have you had it?

I fly a Brunner yoke, and rudder pedals that came with my Precision Flight Controls FAA-certified sim. I fly and teach in real life and use my sim to teach as well as log instrument time on and just have fun. The Brunner gear is the heart of my sim. With a LOT of work, it can be made to feel nearly exactly like the real aircraft. The downfall is the software. I'm a tech guy, and even for me, it is extremely difficult to use, and the documentation isn't very good. Yes, there's an explanation for each item in the software, but there's no explanation for what the functions actually do or what influence they have on the yoke... it is all trial and error, and it is quite frankly a pain in the a**. But even with that issue, I'd never use any other product for yoke or rudder.

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

With your experience this is such valuable info and insight. Thank you for taking the time to let others know your experience.

@TGabrielTPOI

2 ай бұрын

that's why is very important that people like you share the profiles they make...

I don't get the screen on the Yoke. What is it supposed to replicate? I would think anyone who can afford this thing, may be able to display any G1000 or PFD on some dedicated or main monitors. I know they need to justify the price of the product by adding extra features, but this?

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

Yea the only part I use is the stop watch. I'm keen to hear if there are any real pilots that use it.

Force feedback CLS-60 flitesim is more affordable but still about a $1000. Brunner CLS-E MK II about $2000. Rudder pedals & MK II Yoke bundle is about $3600.... If only the price for bundle was 1000, then i buy. For now, i will use a cheaper yoke around 300. Turtle Beach Velocity One Flight and pedals 500. Until force feedback in a bundle around $800... i pass. It's great if its your hobby, not for casual players

@g-locmedia

16 күн бұрын

I think we're about to see an explosion in FFB products in to flight simulation.

@cosmic4037

15 күн бұрын

@g-locmedia I hope so, lower price gap would make it attractive to thousands.of people.

Awesome gear but too rich for my blood and no Linux support (as far as I know)

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

I think more entry level FFB options are coming. especially with MSFS24 coming.

@patvdleer

2 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia im currently working on building a CNC so I can create the panels for my Cessna 72 replica so Im a long time (and money) away from adding a yoke

2 grand for a yolk from a small company that wont be around in 2 years rendering this useless when the updates stop. lol. okay

@g-locmedia

4 күн бұрын

How come they won't be around?

@BlueMax717

3 күн бұрын

@@g-locmedia They are a small business making extremely expensive toys for a very niche group of people. I cant find a single review that isn't sponsored by Brunner. It appears their customer support has already tanked according to their forums. 1. Extremely expensive item. 2. Small quantity sales (probably) 3. small business 4. Bad customer service. IMO, that's the perfect recipe to not be around in a few years based off my personal observations of other companies who have tried to enter the flight sim market over the last 20 years.

1st

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

That was quick

@g-locmedia

2 ай бұрын

@@doifeellucky yea I reckon you are right

@rmm9676

2 ай бұрын

17th. Do I get an official certificate? Yay for me.

So temping....Is there a way to mount this yoke without destroying my desk ?

@g-locmedia

Ай бұрын

Not without a custom bracket unfortunately.