To be fair, you don’t really need extras for the Q2. It’s a beast of a camera and built like a tank!

A hidden cost of owning a Q2 is owning a future leica!

@RANDassociatesinc

7 ай бұрын

Facts!!!!

I'm sorry to say this, I don't know who you have been looking at for reviews, but most reviewers DO mention how expensive this camera and all of the accessories are! Especially the accessories! Some mention that buying the Q2 is "cheap" because buying the M-mount summilux 28mm f1.4 costs more than this setup as a whole. (Doesn't mean 6000 dollars is cheap, but it is a steal if one can afford those prices) Many do complain or at least mention for example the cost of an extra battery and the thumbgrip. Believe me, I have been looking extensiveley at reviews because I'm contemplating buying into Leica Q or even M, even so far that I am looking at reviews from creators in different languages other than English and Dutch, meaning I've gone through most of the english speaking reviewers. That being said anyone mentioning the extra cost of going into this system is welcome :) So thank you for you insights. :) I would advice you to try and find more reviewers on the matter.

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and advice. I have decided to stick to word of mouth from friends. I will watch a few photo-centric channels for other things regarding photography.

I’m so sorry to hear about your injury Jose. You do whatever you need to in order to keep shooting man. Much love and respect. ❤

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Lawrence.

@johnsmith1474

Жыл бұрын

Valentines Day is in about ten months ....

Jose, not sure if the title was for click bait or not, but it is misleading to say 'hidden costs.' To me, unknown or hidden costs come into play with something like buying a film camera and not being aware of how much film is or the cost of processing these days, or an item is sold but then 2-3 other things HAVE to be purchased to make it work properly. A luxury top brand camera case and full premium brand strap were not "required" when you bought the camera and you chose those know full well there are other less expensive options available that do the trick. Or chose not to buy a case - I have both the M11 and the Q2 and don't use a case on either of them, and, they give you a FREE strap but you didn't like that one. Bottom line, I got the Q2 and didn't spend a time more than that and I'm having a great time with it. No hidden costs and no one tricked me. And lastly, I've seen a number of Q2 videos and every one I've seen says these are premium cameras and that many many more quality cameras are less, but it is a great camera and they chose it for a reason. Not one said you can buy at Target. I'm all for a variety of KZread channels discussing photography, gear, experiences and so forth, but I also believe titles should be accurate and deliver on the information that is promised. That is how you get more "Likes" and "Subscribes" and loyal viewers. Sorry, but just seemed you were raising a lot of false flags.

It is focus by wire - not mechanical focus, even if it feels so. But it works so much better that on the Fuji system. So Leica did a great job here.

First and foremost, great video ! Thanks for sharing and thanks for the insight. Sorry about the injury but, glad to hear you are pushing on and still doing the thing you love. My question for you is, do you think if you didnt have the injury...you'd still be shooting GFX ?! I'm thinking about jumping into the medium format lane...been seeing the GFX50Sii on sale used + brand new $2500 - $2900 range. Seems like a great deal.

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. Great question! Easy answer is no. I would have stood with my 50SII and GF lenses. The GFX files are really unique in the way images pop. It’s tough to describe but I noticed it more after seeing some of my older prints.

Agreed. Most reviewers list price as the first “con”.

Not the fault of YouTue reviewers, Accessory prices are readily available to look up. It's really up to the consumer to research the prices before deciding to buy a Q2. Or just decide not to buy the accessories. They are really optional (not essential to operate the camera). Of course you can trick out your BMW with upgrades and enhancements that would equal the cost of the car.

Sorry to hear about that. I am glad you can continue with your photography. Thanks for making these videos.. GFX50Sii and a7r user here. I owned a Leica m240 with a 35 summicron for 7 years until I sold it. I had a Leica Q 1 for about 8 months and then sold it It felt expensive for how fragile it seemed. That said, I think it’s the best camera I’ve ever used. As far as just using it, it’s stunning. Feels amazing, the AF was totally great on the mark 1 and the lens was incredible. Thinking about getting a q2 one day. Not anytime soon though $$$

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. What are your thoughts on the 50SII? Which GF lenses do you own?

@johnsmith1474

Жыл бұрын

Daydreaming online.

A very honest and, therefore, extremely helpful explanation. I have a Q, but when it came to accessories I bought a third-party camera-case and spare battery, because some reviewers did point out how expensive the ‘official’ ones were. I was grateful to them and I’m grateful to you. Thank you.

@joebeta

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind feedback.

One of the first things you said was that you had a brain injury and your right hand trembles more than the other. Well I have the same problem. I used to be a Canon shooter until I tried the Fujifilm X100S at which point I sold all of my Canon gear. My second Fujifilm camera was the XT1, which I grew to really dislike, delayed shutter lag, poor AF and skin peeling away from the body were the main reasons. Fast forward to 2024 and I have 6 Fujifilm bodies now and more lenses than I’ll ever need or use. On February 20, I preordered the Fujifilm X100VI, hoping to get it for my trip to Thailand. No surprise it was still on back order before I departed , so I bought a Q2 for the trip. Haven’t used it yet. Yes, accessories are expensive and hopefully the IBIS works well.

@joebeta

Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing. The Q2 has worked well and the ibis is suitable at 1/30th of a second. Please let me know your thoughts on the Q2 after your trip.

Sorry to hear that. Stay strong and keep doing what you love ie photography sir. Wishing you the very best. 😊

Couldn't you just buy straps and cases by another brand? I don't get it.... Btw, you can use your Leica strap on your Fuji cameras. That doesn't make Fuji better or worse....

Thanks for your video! Although cost is not so important discussion when talking of Leicas, I would add that file size per Mpix is huge compared to orher brands and therefore you have to buy a lot more storage. I would be interested on your opinion when comparing IQ with Fuji X/GFX. I bought Q2 over a year ago in dark winter and dissappointed to photos compared to Fuji/Canon and returned it in 2 weeks. Now I kind of miss it or dream M6/11.

I quite agree with your video. I purchased a slightly used/new Leica Q a few years ago from an estate sale and made the same discoveries as you did with the Q2. The kit seemed incomplete so I went about getting some accessories. I purchased the leather 1/2 bottom custom from another supplier that indicated it fit a Q as I couldn't get a Leica one. I had to order a spare battery from Leica directly and it took 4 months to come to me as I wasn't able to purchase a new one at a camera store. I purchased a custom leather case to surround and enclose the camera and it wasn't cheap too as I wasn't able to find a Leica one. I notice that the Q3 has come out recently and its supposedly even better than the Q2 from what has been said, but then when you factor in the accessories, it gets to be an expensive upgrade. I love my Q and I think I'm going to continue to use it rather than upgrade to the Q2 or Q3 until I have to.

@raksh9

Жыл бұрын

In case you didn't know, the Leica Q battery is the same as the Panasonic DMW-BLC12, which is the battery used in the Panasonic G7 and GX8. There are good aftermarket batteries for those cameras which cost half the original, or even less. You can easily buy aftermarket Panasonic batteries which will work perfectly in your Q.

@williamhindle4366

9 ай бұрын

I sold my x100v for a Leica Q as my main travel camera and experienced a similar scenario, except mine didn’t come supplied with the original hood and lens cap. Fortunately, I managed to negotiate a better price so I could order in those accessories. I live in South Africa so almost everything has to be imported or is on special order, where you almost want to buy spares of everything in case you can’t buy it in the future. ...and t’s not just those accessories that come with the camera you want… Now you want to buy a hand grip, a leather case, a thumb grip, a new bag that matches the aesthetic, filter system, etc… But at the end of the day, the feeling you get while using the camera, which you’ve personalised yourself, makes the whole shooting experience a lot greater. (Except your bank account won’t be too happy),

I use a q2 reporter, it is the camera i have always with me. The camera is weather and dust resistent- As some users suggest i taped the micro slots and the slot on back side to make even better prevent for dust. For the same reason i buyed the Leica protector. I also have a extra battery but using the original strap. Before buying the protector I loved to use the Q2 without protector because it fits my hands it was perfect in my hands, I am lefthanded with large hands, maybe for other people there is a problem with holding the camera without accesoires ? I am a little sad about that taping the slots micro and back side and use of protector is recommend as extra protection against dust but i did not interest in video with the q2 so its only an aesthetic issue. Other is i prefer the q2 reporter because it has not the „red dot“ as „anti-theft device“ I was very happy that i can handheld the q2 almost to 1/8s , which allows handheld shots at night. The colors of the camera a spectacularly , i also love the bnw, using capture one 23 for transform to bnw. If You think about high price You may also think about Low loss of value and high resale possibility, even after years. Maybe You are happy with the q2 in 10, maybe 20 years also and it is still fine, i did not know other cameras that has this lifespan or minimal loss of value, therefore i think the q2 is not overpriced.

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

The Reporter looks really nice!

@johnsmith1474

Жыл бұрын

Your literacy is a problem, who the hell cares what an illiterate has to say?

I like my q2 a lot. Same with the SL. But there’s no getting around the fact that they are luxury cameras and that they are priced as such. My Sony bodies take nice photos too. Same with the Fuji body I have. Leica is a luxury and that comes with odd and sometimes frustrating compromises. Idk, life is weird. So are luxury products 🤷🏻‍♂️

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

They sure are luxury items and so far, they continue to be built as such. At least their value holds up years after release.

@johnkasianowicz6536

Жыл бұрын

Technically, every camera is a luxury item. However, there’s no question that Leica cameras are relatively expensive. I use Nikon, Canon, and Leica kit and prefer the build quality, industrial design, and simplicity of the Leica cameras.

@Wazio

Жыл бұрын

@@johnkasianowicz6536 agree 100%. My Q2 and SL just feel so refined and clean. My Sony feels like a convoluted video game controller every time I pick it up 😅

I sold all my fuji-gear and bought a Leica M10 and I love it!!! But yes, When I bought that extra battery I almost lost it 😅 and my leather case (not Leica branded) I had to pay 260-300$. But I’m still VERY happy with the change! The M10 is something else, and the Q2 looks and feels so much more nice than other brands, because it’s a more expensive unit, through the whole process. Non of them are perfect. But the feel are genuinely a bless! But still, I think it’s the consumer’s responsibility to check the price for accessories as it’s not needed most of the times. And what I’ve seen many youtubers makes fun of the cost of a spare battery. The funny thing I think is that people have gear for like 10k with all the lenses and bodies, but they think an M is to expensive. Then I guess the M isn’t for them (or the Q2). Many photographers have the financial possibilities to by a Leica, if they really want one and sell their gear. The other thing is, you get more from your Leica when you sell it compared of other brands, Especially lenses. And that’s important to calculate as well. :)

@magiccarpetrider4594

Жыл бұрын

Your problem was buying a stupid case. Luijis, I hope, but still worthless. I did the same- had a bunch of Fuji lenses and 2 bodies (kept all my Canon and Zeiss glass), but hated the files. I did the same, Q2 and M10. Upgraded my Canon 5D4 to an R5, already had an R- focus peaking my Zeiss MFs is a joy on mirrorless.

@Gj_frames

Жыл бұрын

@@magiccarpetrider4594 bought a Oberwerth, and it’s great. Heard about luigi as well, but went for the oberwerth. Haven’t regret it at all :)

Nice honest video Jose…I own a Q2 and while took me a while to convince myself, I ended purchasing one. It’s an incredible camera and very happy! Pictures are fantastic…expensive but worth it in my opinion. Cheers..

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alejandro.

To be honest, at least for most Street Photography and snapshots, I've been fine with my iPhone (13 Pro Max). It also shoots amazing video. When I'm doing something more involved, I'll whip out the Sony A7R IV. I do love having smaller form cameras (like the Fuji X100 and the Sony RX100 V)... but since most photos we take end up on digital social media platforms, I just haven't seen much use for them over the iPhone's capabilities. That being said, if I did have extra funds to just go crazy, sure, I'd pick up a Leica because of the prestige and other characteristics that make it such a desirable camera. But is it a necessity? For me? Probably not. At least not over other cameras that would allow for great quality images with more options at a more reasonable price. In regards to dealing with hand shaking... have you considered using a monopod to help stabilize the camera? As always, another great video, Jose. Keep 'em coming!

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I’ve thought of a monopod but the Q2 has stabilization and the weight is good. I use my iPhone a lot as well. The cameras are so good.

Great contribution to common sense. My problem with larger cameras came for a serious neck injury affecting balance plus difficulty with hands. Looking at the Q2 for a while but ended up with the XPRO 3 - got two because my dexterity is awful re changing lenses and I like the Fuji primes. All fine but as you can tell the rep of Leica still cause me to yearn for one occasionally... sigh!

tnx that helped me alot!

Yes it is an expensive camera and the accessories too, but you started with a story about why you sold your previous camera and why you bought the Q2. Does the Q2 allow you to take pictures you’re happy with?

The biggest drawback of this Camera is the Focal lenght of effektiv 25mm. You should mention it

Very, very well said.

cool video, impressive prices, agree. Be aware that most "unboxing"-KZreadr's send the stuff back after creating the video, they usually don't keep or pay for it.

Thank you for your honest review

I was able to get an brandnew battery for 150€, a stealth case and a lens cap on Etsy both for less than 100€ total

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

Great video, but posers are inevitable. The proof lies in the pudding. What truly captivates me about this camera is the artistry displayed in the pictures it captures.

I hear what you’re sayin, but also… I think reviewers don’t mention it because the word Leica implies $$$$

I think Jose bought his Leica second hand and makes an excellent case that Leica well they’re having a laugh !!

It is a high end luxury camera. Of course all accessories are going to be expensive relative to the lower cost market. Don’t be surprised, just pay it. It is like buying a top of the line Benz and complaining about a few accessories that at Benz made.

…I own Leica’s , both m and r. Like everything else, they break down and need a service. If you think they are overpriced now, wait till you have to spend a fortune for a service! And wait weeks too. I would never entertain a q2 - not only are they ugly and overpriced, but they are not even made of brass, just alloy, and have numerous well documented faults and user issues. I stopped buying new Leicas when the black chrome on my r’s began bubbling up. Like you I bought a couple of Fuji’s - x100 & x100V - superb …especially when I discovered that the latest r lenses are made by Sigma or someone - no thank you!

@withwolves100

Жыл бұрын

…if you got lots of money to burn then go ahead, and good luck with that one. I gave up believing the snob bull and found the joys of Olympus, Fuji , Nikon, Canon, Sony an others in my collection , and produce my best pics, where you can’t find any other difference In Lightroom. Even though I know I’ve been suckered into believing the hype, I still love my Leica’s - I’m just not going to waste even more money on them - there are a more important things in live than worrying about being mugged on the street and having to cover a red dot on my cameras with black tape 🤪

There was no auto mode for iso on film cameras. The iso was fixed and determined by the film stock. In regards to Leica, I’m slowly moving away after several years of M3, M6, M240, M262, SL. I realized Leica is a hoax. Snake oil. We make all type of excuses to own a Leica but at the end it’s all mental gymnastics.

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you for clarifying that. It is why I mistook auto ISO on my Canon A-1 camera.

@johnsmith1474

Жыл бұрын

@@joebeta - You're just not very knowledgeable.

It's not a true manual focus mechanism - it's electronic 😁😉 3:16

The backside tends to hurt.

And don’t even get started on the batteries

That is why I am unlikely to buy one of these. Excellent photography is still possible without a Leica, but to each his own.

If you have 6k for a camera, and you are moaning and trolling about accessory costs????? You are buying a f... Leica man get over it and move on.

@joebeta

Жыл бұрын

Says the troll on my comments section. 👍🏼

There is nothing hidden costs for tye Q2/Q3. It is bloody $6K!

Leica accessories expensive? Whoda thunk it? Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

All that money for a camera with a lens cap thats not designed to work with the lens hood properly only the lens ring.

For the average person bragging, you are doing the same. Regardless of how much you paid. Leica is expensive. Everyone knows that.

Most people are fully aware of the premium cost of Leica equipment and many will have seen the video of the Limited Edition Hermes model. I have not found any KZread presenters who have 'hidden' the costs. But it is a bit rich of you to sneer at another presenter for 'bragging' when you are doing exactly the same. You say you sold ALL your GFX gear to get the Leica. Well, GFX gear is ALSO expensive and equally beyond the means of many photographers, as is a second-hand Leica. Then you move on to telling everyone about how you bought Fuji stock, another thing that is beyond the means of most people. Next you let the audience know that you 'ONLY' paid $300 for your strap, half-case and thumbrest. Amazon has a half-case for $25.00, a thumbrest for $15 and a strap for $22. I found your video patronising and definitely don't like it. In my experience people like to see expensive gear being displayed even though they may never buy any. This includes full-frame cameras from Nikon, Canon, Sony and others, bags from Wotancraft, Billingham etc. that are also expensive. But your final comments are the worst, telling people they don't need to buy a Leica, there are expenses they may not be aware of but also making sure they know that YOU own one. If that is not bragging, then I don't know what is.

@joebeta

7 ай бұрын

You can take the video anyway you please. I don’t monetize my channel because I enjoy making the videos I want to make. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, and that’s fine. 🤙🏻