Im maori this was a cool vid. We still have our dubble hulled waka, theyre called waka hourua. And when europeans were first exploring the sub Antarctic islands they did find maori living on enderby and auckland island. They were 'relocated' to the mainland of te waipounamu. ive hears stories of ancient explorers to Antarctica but never the actual stories so cheers for uploading e hoa

@ViriatoII

10 ай бұрын

Really cool, you can be proud of your ancestors and your ethnic background,. I'm Portuguese and I see parallels with our navigation adventures and maritime wanderlust, but this is another level.

@timway6839

10 ай бұрын

@@sirmiles1820 moriori were peaceful people until the maori tuned up and slaughtered most of them. The y had to flee to the Chatham island's. Maori don't like the word moriori being mentioned. It null voids just on its own the hell out of there agenda. Maori have either stolen,raped or eaten every thing they claim is there's. It's not. There's also a document called the treaty of Waitangi they have been buisy changing. New Zealand does not belong to the maori. We all came by sea. My white ancestors arrived here at latest 1830's.The other white side 1840's.. Great great grandfather volunteered twice for 6years in armed constabulary. Him and his captain were only ones left after 1st term. Including almost getting te kuti at ruatahuna. Looks like world leaders are pushing for civil war There are just as many good maori vs bad like everywhere else however. A select few elite maori are trying to take the country using the government sensor system that hopefully the world is waking up to

@damink_8508

10 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 I'm sure you can find a link if you look hard enough, I think the NZ govt have documented it as they set up their own settlements there pretty much as soon as they'd relocated the natives. As far as I know the islands have been occupied on and off for the last so many centuries or melenia. And the tribe living there at the time of 'discovery' is Ngati Mutunga, who had settled it when taking offshore NZ islands during their time of conquest after having to leave their own lands, they had slaves from some of the conquered islands. The chiefs of the islands were named Manature and Matioro.

@damink_8508

10 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 wait all you like, I am not obligated to provide anything for you. I am not your mother. What a pathetic mentality you hold of trying to assert some sort of superior intellect over strangers on the internet. I never said any unkind or disrespectful words unto you nor claimed to hold any authority. I passed on the information passed on to me. I hold more information on the subject, but your frustrated hand has kept you from this. Much of the knowledge of my culture is passed only face to face. But by your logic it can't exist because some foreigner to my culture hasn't written it down. The stagnant nature of your energy was evident in your first words to me yet I stupidly tried to politely guide you to the answers yourself. What a disappointing interaction this has been. Kaaore te Kumara e koorero ana mo toona ake reka

@Slipperygecko390

10 ай бұрын

Yeah man that makes sense, head down there and live in peace when Ngāi Tahu took over the south island, or earlier after the Moa hunting ended and a lot of Iwi shifted north and the Mori Ori went east to the Chathams. Peacefull and the food was plentiful, just bloody cold.

Knew a man from Tonga many years ago. He told me how his fathers read the waves: They first where taught how to distinguish between "wind-born" waves and the "coast-made" ones. Next was education about how the changing weather modifies both kinds. Last what kind of coast had created the "coast-made" ones. And psychological: All teaching ONLY was given at sea being surrounded by and experiencing it with ones whole body and mind.

@skys6655

9 ай бұрын

Yup from the navigator islands (samoa, tonga, fiji) was the first to branch out into the now polynesia. The lapita passed the flame and im sure knowledge to us as well

@leefua9967

7 ай бұрын

The skill was called 'Fafa Konga Tahi'. The practitioner as called 'Kaivai' roughly translates to devourer of water. Kings would have them as part of the royal fleet crew. They have the ability to dip their hand into the sea water and tell which part of the ocean they were in.

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

@@leefua9967 Oh I've heard of _fafa konga tahi_ from a faikava I was a part of. It was one of the elder tangata'eiki there that told us of the story. Great stuff, Toko! Also, the guy in the video mentioned _tahi fakafatu_ or the ocean/sea that is congealed. I remember hearing of that word before too. Man I wish our people kept like written records back then.

@joshmariota1046

6 ай бұрын

​@@jaqenhghar2970 I think Tahi Fatú refers to the sea in Alaska. But I don't doubt that our ancestors also made it to Antarctica. Especially the Māori and Rarotongans. But I believe the ancestors also made the voyage to the far north. Look up the Haida tribe of Haida Gwaii who have similar cultural traditions with Hawaiʻi. The Inuits have similar tattoos to the Māori tā moko kauae. And there's a rainforest in Alaska called Tongass. Also some tribes in British Columbia and Alaska share similar motif design of the Marquesans.

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

@@joshmariota1046 Malo toko for the info. Yeah I heard about the _Tongass_ National Forest when I used to live in Juneau back in 1999. I also met a man from the Tlingit tribe there that said his people are related to Polynesians which I thought was bizarre, but in retrospect, makes sense.

There are no walruses in Antartica but there are elephant seals. Unless the Polynesians adventured further north from Hawaii to the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. They are hundreds of barren, treeless rocky islands that look born from the sea. Often covered in mist and fog and in darkness half the year. Giant kelp is found there and the sea around the islands can become frozen and thus more viscus. There are icebergs as well coming from the glaciers that surround the Gulf of Alaska. I have no doubt that the Polynesians routinely sailed to Antartica from New Zealand. A more remarkable feat would be to make it to the Arctic and Alaska which is a plausable possiblity from the historic discriptions.

@ricksmith9177

10 ай бұрын

Yes,I agree. The furthest south Walruses occur is the North Pacific and maybe a few found themselves further south than usual so it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that early Polynesian seafarers sailed north from Hawai’i?

@Sindraug25

9 ай бұрын

It's possible that they made the trip to Antarctica, but why would they "routinely" sail there? There's nothing there to make the trip worthwhile.

@ambidextrousrecords

9 ай бұрын

Do you think such expert oceanic navigators don't know the difference from north and south?

@raztahking

9 ай бұрын

@Sindraug25 have you been lately? Or in the last 3000 yrs? Lol Minus what you've been taught.. how do you KNOW there's nothing there?

@skys6655

9 ай бұрын

All they had to do is follow the hawaiian chain to the aleutians. I think its possible

Im of kanaka maoli decent and since I was a child I’ve had the same reoccurring dream of returning to a land of ice mountains that fills me with reverence.

" It is a common myth that walruses are found in Antarctica. Antarctica is in the southern hemisphere, and walrus are only found in the northern hemisphere "

@kiwihib

10 ай бұрын

He did say or Elephant seals, which we have a small number that visit New Zealand.

@dsanson101

10 ай бұрын

Elephant seals dont have tusks tho? @@kiwihib

@thecurrentmoment

10 ай бұрын

@@dsanson101 that's right, no tusks, unless you consider their massive teeth as tusks.

@tahanaparker2660

9 ай бұрын

@ generalmelchett2881 😂 that sounds like what a Pakeha / Immigrant would reply , welldone 😅 bwahahahha

It sounds crazy! But… No one would have believed that they actually settled Rapa Nui or Hawaii if they weren’t still living there or hadn’t carved giant faces all over the island.

@slickrick7455

9 ай бұрын

Bro Hawaiians are newer Polynesians settled by ppl nearby islands.

@free2trudge

9 ай бұрын

@@slickrick7455 oh for sure. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. They settled the Hawaiian Islands from Tahiti and The Marquesas Islands in the last wave of “Remote Oceania” settlement. It’s beyond incredible. To navigate 2000 miles of open ocean in basically outrigger canoes, with livestock and families. Lol. It’s almost unbelievable.

@slickrick7455

9 ай бұрын

@@free2trudge u kno ur shit

@free2trudge

9 ай бұрын

@@slickrick7455 I just did the tour at the Polynesian museum on Oahu this past February. And a luau at the cultural center. It was awesome

@free2trudge

9 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 that’s all true. And it’s all speculation without some sort of concrete evidence. But what’s so bad with fleshing out a wild speculation? I’d argue that it’s a natural and even useful product of curiosity and admiration for a thing. As long as it’s not confused with empirically established science/history, imaginative speculation can inspire the inquiry that leads to discovery. It’s often difficult for professionals that are bound strictly by the standards of scientific proof to explore wild and “crazy” ideas. They are so immersed in teasing apart the minutia that they can’t let their imagination just run with a thing. But it’s a mistake to discourage it in anyone who can. We’re all intelligent enough to know what’s fact and what’s conjecture.

I believe the Walrus was seen by Roratonga in what is present day Alaska. Currently a seafaring outrigger from Hawaii is voyaging around the pacific, beginning with Alaska to renew indigenous bonds! The polynesians travelled the entire Pacific

@stankygeorge

10 ай бұрын

How about the entire world!

@Slipperygecko390

10 ай бұрын

That he says it dwells in the mysterious part of the world from which their ancestors came. Their ancestors came from Taiwan and there are strong suggestions that they also came from Japan ithe Languages having a lot of similarity's, it could have been possible for their Ainu ancestors to have been in contact with Walruses in the far north of Japan or even Sibera/Kamchatka.

@docfrazier8318

9 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881it is possible to point out valid inconsistencies without being a dick. Try it.

@ensenadorjones4224

9 ай бұрын

​​@@generalmelchett2881douche bag

@raztahking

9 ай бұрын

@generalmelchett2881 Are u pressed cuz they were better seafarers than the Vikings? 🤣 There's evidence in North and South America of Polynesians reaching BOTH. Don't be stupid...

GREAT VIDEO! My dad is Hawaiian royalty and my mom comes from Sinclairs and Vikings, world sailors that already discovered the world before Columbus. Everybody was traveling all over for tens of thousands of years, but the narrative they give us in America is this one directional migration out of africa.

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

Nobody was travelling all over the world for tens of thousands of years

@kahekilikahahawai586

Ай бұрын

Sure he is 😂 what’s his name? I know most Ali’i royalty ohanas

Way to go bra! These oral traditions run deeper than many can imagine. The city of Troy was found based on myths and legends, and that verification started with one small piece of pottery. Snippets of verifiable information. That's prehistory. Keep it up! Our ancestors deserve it, as do we.

@iankearns774

10 ай бұрын

Isn't a bra something that women use to hold in place their mammalian protuberances?

There are no walruses in the southern hemisphere. They all live in the Arctic and the high Arctic at that.

@glenbe4026

10 ай бұрын

was just going to say that.

@noranicolea5977

10 ай бұрын

They ate em all, like the Moa bird

@ericwieboldt7042

10 ай бұрын

What, you dont believe that tiny men in underwear, floating on canoes never made it to Antarctica? I dont either😂

@ikemaeddiepa6175

10 ай бұрын

Pacific islanders are not tiny and didn't have underwear until white man with lightning sticks came

@LanceAdams-ee2gw

10 ай бұрын

My great grandfather was 7.5 foot tall relation to Stephen adams he was 7 fingered man . But his father were large different muscle structure to now Stephen show the last of our great DNA

The Polynesians were crisscrossing the Pacific long ago. The proof that they visited S. America is the sweet potato found in many Polynesians cultures through trade or brought to them. Hokule'a showed that a two hulled canoe could sail up all the way to Japan and Alaska, traversing the dangerous rough open ocean waters. They proved that by knowing the stars they were able to go to and return to their points of origin. As you stated in your video that the Maori have said that they came from a place called Hawaiki which we know as Hawai'i. I have heard of this professor at the University of Hawai'i at Hilo who brought in some Maori Elders and took them to the southernmost tip of the island, and the Maori elders chanted a chant passed down to them of how they came from a land called Hawaiki, where there were cliffs and mooring holes. Upon seeing the cliffs and mooring holes that were drilled through boulders where they could moor their canoes to, they cried as they understood that their chants were true. Hawai'i is 2,500 miles in the middle of the ocean. A people that could navigate and traverse across the largest body of water on our planet, using only sailing canoes, thousands of miles across open ocean, without maps but using the stars, is a testament to the knowledge that many of the Polynesians had to have to do so. It is learned, it is passed down, it is through experience of doing multiple times that they were able to do so. One simply cannot just go, they must return to pass on knowledge of what was found. One cannot just simply brush it off as happenstance that the S. American theory of just floating on the currents to reach Hawaii by Kuykendall is how they populated the Pacific Ocean, one has to realize that to progress, they need to return and that they need to do it on a repeated basis. To brush off any notion that they could not do this, is to be shortsighted in what an accomplishment they were able to do.

@footrot17

10 ай бұрын

Wrote all that for nothing

@hankakah4180

10 ай бұрын

@@footrot17 You replied for nothing.

@edwardfletcher7790

10 ай бұрын

Excellent comment 👍

@footrot17

10 ай бұрын

@@hankakah4180 Wouldn't say nothing, your riled up lol

@hankakah4180

10 ай бұрын

@@footrot17 Not me, but it obviously bothers you! What people would just ignore, you have to keep trolling! Right?

Are ancestors were great navigators 🙌

I think it’s very likely that they traveled the entire pacific but I don’t think for a moment they had any reason to settle the arctic or Antarctic.

@plopdoo339

10 ай бұрын

But they did so who cares what you think😂😂

@jeffersonneeson1535

10 ай бұрын

@@plopdoo339 haha what ever

@D_R757

10 ай бұрын

​@@plopdoo339no physical proof of permanent settlement also nobody asked

@timway6839

10 ай бұрын

Correct. Most maori live in warmer north island. They don't cherish the cold. Edit: they probably would have ended up in Chile trying to get home.

@razbishara6491

10 ай бұрын

@@timway6839we already been to Chile….Peru and many other places too….but that’s a whole other story👌

The wreck of ‘a ship of ancient design’ was observed on Macquarie Island when Europeans first arrived there. Such a pity that no details of that design were recorded.

I am surprised that you mentioned that Maori pottery had been found on Sub-Antartic Islands as NZ Maori did have pottery.

@damink_8508

10 ай бұрын

Didn't have pottery? Indeed not clay, but we made jars and vases out of our gourd the Hue. I assume they mean fragments of these Hue gourd

@hankovereem4078

10 ай бұрын

@@damink_8508 Thanks for your clarification. And, yes, I meant 'didn't '.

@dominictarrsailing

10 ай бұрын

according to wikipedia, the pottery shard claim on antipodes island is unsubstantiated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodes_Islands but there was a settlement on enderby island. Which is bloody amazing. Imaging coming from the tropics then going to invercargil, then asking "shall we go even further south? just to see if anything is there?" www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/places-to-go/southland/places/subantarctic-islands/auckland-islands/heritage-sites/enderby-island-maori-occupation/

@artetaDagoat

3 ай бұрын

​@@hankovereem4078 Lapita people had pottery

@kumarapatch1234

Ай бұрын

How could they make pottery they hadn't invented the wheel yet

The ocean waters circle Antarctica constantly, and are uninterrupted by other land masses, so the waves are massive and currents strong. It’s a very treacherous. Still, I do love these discussions and learning the history.

@originalclaymoreboy728

10 ай бұрын

There's seasons where that happens.

@Harlem1mentality

10 ай бұрын

Have you ever looked at old maps? Some of the older maps have Antarctica on them. Way Before it was discovered. Ancient map makers would used source maps to make new maps. So people knew about a land mass there. So it’s possible people actually went there

@maozedong8370

10 ай бұрын

@@Harlem1mentality The land mass was purely hypothetical owing to the postulation of the need for Earth's land mass to need to be "evenly split" between both the northern and southern hemisphere (505 of land in the north and 50% in the south) which is complete nonsense. It is due to that theory many different people to inspiration to drawing huge southern land masses on maps, they never actually knew anything was there. When Australia was discovered, it was believed that that was part of that massive landmass which is where the name Australia comes from, Terra Australis which means 'southern land'.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@Harlem1mentality no doubt you're talking about the piri reis map which does not show antarctica. there's no evidence antarctica was actually sighted until the 1820s

@ericwieboldt7042

10 ай бұрын

@@Harlem1mentality it's highly unlikely canoes carrying men in their underwear were anywhere near Antarctica

I could see that French Polynesia is about as close to Antarctica as anywhere else but it would go from nice and warm to really really cold. I would turn my ship back around and go back to Tahiti! Although I guess the wildlife might be more abundant around antarctic waters, but still I would think that another Polynesian island would be a better place to move to for better fishing rather than Antarctica!

@brandoninhofer6592

10 ай бұрын

Earth may have had a warmer climate at one time, so perhaps Antarctica wasn't so cold?

@DaMoonsugars

10 ай бұрын

New Zealand Māori, my hāpu shares tales of Tūmatauenga retired to the centre of the world (Antarctica) to slay giants.

@rowniua5896

10 ай бұрын

Wellfordz

@swimmer8585

10 ай бұрын

We're going to tahiti, dutch????

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@brandoninhofer6592 temperatures were almost exactly the same at that time as they are now

In a world where clarity is often muddled, one might say, "In the midst of understanding, we find ourselves adrift in a sea of both profound insight and curiously empty echoes.”

@user-mg2ip8cr8z

2 күн бұрын

The Moriori of the Chattam islands lived in these frozen places and wore seal skins , that was before European sealers killed all the seals and Māori from NZ genocided them

Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

Austronesians crossed the Indian Ocean from Borneo to Madagascar and Luzon to the Marianas so it's not really impossible for them to also reach Antarctica.

@werren894

10 ай бұрын

yes, we should love our own history and achievement, modernize it if you will be happy about it, and so on.

@maozedong8370

10 ай бұрын

It is actually. There were NOT equipped to handle that kind of journey. Even if they managed to survive the cold, the storms and enormous waves in the Southern Ocean would have capsized their tiny boats. If they were heading in that direction, upon realizing th drop in temperature and the increased danger of the waters, they would have immediately retreated unless they had a death wish. No one before the Europeans ever reached the continent.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@maozedong8370 that's true about the temperatures but not about the tiny boats. their ocean going waka hourua were as big and seaworthy as any european ship of the time.

@maozedong8370

10 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten No. The Europeans had enormous ships and even though the waka were long, they still required people to row them and they were nowhere near as tall and were close to the surface of the water. That makes them an easy target for being flipped over by giant waves in the Southern Ocean.

@FreshyNZ

10 ай бұрын

​@@maozedong8370not long waka... large double hulled waka

Bro this was an VERY thought provoking vid. Well done sir

I am not sure of Hawaiki from NZ but Havaiki from Hawaii and Savaii (if shorten of "Savaiisi'uleo") from Samoa are closely weaven together with much similarities. Sea Navigators share similar ideas about the ocean and its provision. Very fascinating!

You’re amazing man thank u💪🏼🙏🏼

the native people of the tip of South America could also have accidentally discovered Antarctica when fishing in the open seas

@Ian-yf7uf

10 ай бұрын

Possibly, but that stretch of sea is insanely dangerous.

@reimer0015

10 ай бұрын

I’m half Maori from New Zealand, I have trace Native American DNA from some time over 1000 years ago.

@rubinortiz2311

10 ай бұрын

@@reimer0015the Incan king Tupac set out on a great expedition to explore the seas to the west of his empire and supposedly got half way to Australia before turning back. The people of Rapa Nui also travelled to mainland South America.

@Slipperygecko390

10 ай бұрын

You don't actually sail 1000km while going to catch a fish

@Chris-lg8rm

9 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 generalbullshit shuuuuuush 🤣🤣😂😂

Although I’m an Aussie I’ve spent nearly 40 years working in construction with the wonderful folks of the pacific nations. I’ve heard about this before. I’ll ask my Tongan e hoa tonight when we start our shift. No walrus in the southern hemisphere btw. Probably talking about elephant seals…

@mikha007

10 ай бұрын

an elephant seal with false teeth 😆

@rubinortiz2311

10 ай бұрын

It could be possible that the places referred to in this video wasn’t Antarctica or the surrounding islands at all but rather Alaska or the eastern edge of Siberia. Think about it a journey from Hawaii up there isn’t out of the realm of possibility considering the distances and dangerous waters the Polynesians have traveled in and the fact the story mention’s walruses which aren’t found in the southern hemisphere. Just something to think about.

@harrisonngchok3503

9 ай бұрын

G'day mate, Pacific Islander here... Often thought about Islanders ability to store adipose fat... Got me thinking about the adaptation to survive harsh cold conditions. Food for thought

@planetdisco4821

9 ай бұрын

@@harrisonngchok3503 a good point mate! I’m a tall skinny white dude and my Tongan bro keeps feeding me boil ups sweet potato and kumara (hope I spelt it right?) and despite the fact that it was freezing at work today and I grew up in the Victorian alps I’m the one wearing about 20 layers of clothes and he’s wearing a shirt with a singlet under it and nothing else even though he grew up in the tropics…

This just blew my mind and I can’t wait to get more info on research and breakthroughs on the Antarctic mainland

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

there are no breakthroughs here, there's no evidence to support the hypothesis that polynesians reached antarctica.

@birons3708

8 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten Says who? Incel

Excellent Video. Thank you.

Why leave paradise only to freeze your arse off

@dawnezone8491

2 ай бұрын

Why does mankind do most things...Curiosity and cos they can ♥

I am Tahiti, Māori mix, Born in Honolulu Hawaii. I like the video. Thank you.

@AlhamdulilJesus

9 ай бұрын

unless you speak your mother tongue you're just American

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

ouch @@AlhamdulilJesus

@bittersweet340

2 ай бұрын

@@AlhamdulilJesus Who said? Show where did you get that nonsense. from...

I just discoveredd your channel very interesting. I subscribed.

Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!

Walruses dont live in Antartica (only the Artic) so what animal are they looking at. The seals there don't have any tusks.

@alistairmcdonald2382

10 ай бұрын

Good point

@04SURE

10 ай бұрын

How do you know were you there in the 1700 😂😂

@lifeliver9000

10 ай бұрын

They lie, end of story

@CW0123

10 ай бұрын

They wuz mariners and sheeeeeeit

@shaneheu-5782

10 ай бұрын

While you here stories of the last Migration to Aotearoa and. believe the stories of the Maori never arrived till the 1300 well that's wrong it says the last Migration because the Maori have been back and forwards to Aotearoa for thousands of years, meaning these islands were lived on by generation upon generations of Maori cause of our relationship with all islands and these were far off families going for visits like going on a holiday and coming back home Aotearoa,One such story that Aotearoa was empty and the locals had abandoned here and this is going back few thousand years because of the Mega tsunami that hit the Whole West Coast of Aotearoa, the Burkle comet impact and the Maori had to repopulate these islands over 5000 yrs ago

There are no Walruses in the southern hemisphere. They must have made it north of Hawaii to the Aleutian islands.

@markhumphreys5042

10 ай бұрын

I don’t think so there is some many land mass and larger tides

@werren894

10 ай бұрын

maybe different walrus? extinct? we don't know.

@Darknimbus3

10 ай бұрын

@@werren894Nope. They are all in the high arctic.

@damink_8508

10 ай бұрын

Likely elephant seal

@sjsjciskwmddjs5924

10 ай бұрын

America

given south America, Patagonia and Tierra del feugo to be precise have high snow covered mountains icy conditions and possible icebergs to, considering there are large glaciers coming down to the sea in places, it may be that what the Maori are describing is the South West Coast of South America, given that there is an archipelago of Islands arching upward from Antarctica top the southern tip of cape of Good Hope.

@razbishara6491

10 ай бұрын

We went to all those places too mate👍

@rubinortiz2311

10 ай бұрын

@@razbishara6491I know that Polynesians had visited the Inca empire further to the northwest on the South American continent but I had no idea they reached the lands of Tierra del Fuego

@rubinortiz2311

10 ай бұрын

I think that it’s far more likely a voyage from Hawaii to either Alaska or the eastern edge of Siberia is what’s being referred to in this story since the story mentioned walruses and none live in the southern hemisphere

@razbishara6491

10 ай бұрын

@@rubinortiz2311 ahhhh you could be right there too!

@Slipperygecko390

10 ай бұрын

@@rubinortiz2311 The walruses came from North Of Japan when our ancestors lived there.

Thanks for putting out content you are very professional and well spoken it is very much appreciated in this realm of the same shit regurgitated over and over

Nice Fantasy Story, Though !!!

I just found this video and it's great. It is great example of why the Polynesian Voyaging Society is doing with the sailing of Hawaiian canoes to see the range of travel that Polynesians can do. It's great for all those of Pacific Island descent that it is possible. I believe the current trek of the society was in Alaska recently.

Very interesting, alot to think about

Appreciate the knowledge.. hope we can make a team to finally rest are case

@eeeaten

8 ай бұрын

how would that work

I'm starting to think Polynesians and Native Americans are connected somewhere bc they were both all over the place but never got in contact until Peru I'm SA native btw

@Dark_knight1980

7 ай бұрын

Hey bro the evolution of the northwest pasific coast 10,000 years is a good video Ancient America's 👍

@lasvegashula

3 ай бұрын

Polynesians and Native Americans are connected.

I don’t doubt the Polynesians explored both ends of the Pacific. Not at all.

Very interesting story, totally possible that happen, glad i disovered your channel.

We still have those waka today one would be found in waitangi behind a hotel or down the bottm of the museum and marae but the actual marae the locals use is down past the bridge near the beach

You are a good storyteller.

@godlordcolin

9 ай бұрын

Right 😂 now Polynesian are from Antarctica 😅

they didn't even have a word for Ice back then. Could be legend or could be an actual voyage, however nothing signficant will come out of it either way

Thanks, nteresting

Amazing 👏

If Polynesians landed inAntarctica, they turned their ships northward and searched for green coasts.

Yeah no. While it probably could have been a cool thing to see, Antarctica was NEVER settled by ANY human. No evidence exists for any kind of settlement and if the region was too cold for even the Europeans to set up colonies with their thick winter clothes and more cold adapted traits, Maori whom are used to warm climate conditions definitely would have not survived. They may have realized Antarctica was there even if it is unlikely, but they NEVER explored or settled there.

@jonjon1842

10 ай бұрын

Recent studies show they did actually travel there physically.

@maozedong8370

10 ай бұрын

@@jonjon1842 No studies have shown that. What exactly do you gain from lying?

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

warm climate? lol have you even been to Aotearoa? Compared to the other island groups, it's a freezer! Some plants like the breadfruit which are abundant in other island nations don't grow there because it's too cold of a climate.

@maozedong8370

6 ай бұрын

@@jaqenhghar2970 Are you seriously trying to compare New Zealand with Antarctica in terms of climate? Get a f*cking grip man.

Captain Cook visited Tahiti and got to know the people. Some time after he left Captain Wallis also visited. Having read all of Wallis's notes Cook revisited Tahiti and looked for some of the islands Wallis had described. One of them he failed to find. Then while there he asked the Head Priest/Scientist, Tupaia, if he knew of this island. Tupaia said he did and under his direction Tupaia took Cook directly to the island.

@artetaDagoat

3 ай бұрын

Is that the same guy who took Cook around NZ and drew a map of land for him.?

@user-oh4yd5uh4e

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. With crosses on the map where he wanted all the KFC restaurants to be. @@artetaDagoat

@kahekilikahahawai586

Ай бұрын

Cook was a cockroach who infested the islands with disease

Awesome thanks for the intresting information 👍Northwest pasific coast history10,000 years of evolution is a pretty interesting video as well

If the Maori did indeed settle some Antarctic islands, how would they build boats, considering they have no threes on them? It's plausible that they may have ventured quite far South though.

what confuses me the most is how the maori never settled Australia..

@J_Rus

10 ай бұрын

They may have landed and traded in Australia multiple times. But the Aboriginal/Torres Straight Islanders were already there. The Polynesian islands were first inhabited a long time after Australia.

@damink_8508

10 ай бұрын

There may have been settlements, however the east coast where they would likely have been has suffered great genocide. They'd have just been considered 'Abo'

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

there is some evidence maori reached australia, eg the dark point adze found in nsw but made from norfolk island basalt. no secure date or stratigraphic position but evidence nonetheless.

@myspleenisbursting4825

10 ай бұрын

Some Sulawesi people traded with abos way before Europeans

@mikha007

10 ай бұрын

they are now

the closest people to Antarcica were natives of Patagonia in S. America, who lived on the shores of the Drake Passage (600 mi wide), not the Maoris! There's is evidence they visited & probably settled the Falklands, ~300 miles away from closest beach.

@hankakah4180

10 ай бұрын

What you need to figure out is, were the S. Americans able to travel across open ocean? Were they a seafaring people? It's like asking if the cart got there without the horse. It is more logical that the Polynesians were crisscrossing the Pacific because they used the stars to navigate, that if they could reach Easter island, that they reached S. America. If they could reach N. Zealand, they could travel beyond that. They could reach across the Pacific and up north to Japan and Alaska, which the latest voyages of the Hawaiian Canoe Hokule'a just proved. A boat or ship that would be pummeled by the rough ocean waters is needed. If you are looking for evidence, look first for the canoes that could travel open ocean by any S. American culture, where is it? Your reasoning of closest people to Antarctica fails to take into consideration the vastness of the Pacific Ocean where these voyaging peoples found Hawaii 2500 miles in the middle of the ocean, you think 300 miles is out of their reach? How do we know that the Polynesians went to S. America? The sweet potato is from S. America and is found across many of the Polynesian cultures across the Pacific. It only means that they were able to go to and back and bring back even more than just the sweet potato, maybe other cultural things and ideas.

@sydneystout4003

10 ай бұрын

@@hankakah4180 good points; I didn't claim that Patagonians reached Antarctica 1st, although they could, as they sailed along the coast & to the Falklands. The area around Cape Horn is stormy & their whaling/fishing/trading boats could be blown to the open sea, & there r S. Shetlands between the Cape & Antarctic Peninsula. If those people returned home, they could've decided that it wasn't worth sailing there again as the climate is even worse & they could make a good enough living at home. The same with Maoris.

@cghj6599

10 ай бұрын

Yea you know it 😂

@JaemanEdwards

10 ай бұрын

​​@@hankakah4180I always wonder why the Maori took the kumara from South America but not the bow and arrow ? That's what I would've grabbed. And maybe a woman for some ethnic diversity.

@jdeedaniels6313

10 ай бұрын

They're talking about maori mate, not the south americans? Polynesians are the best voyages ever? Learn more about maori kaupapa man

genial, gracias

Polynesians have ancestry to the Phoenicians (1500 - 300 BC) i think this is why we were seafarers, we used the sea to trade with other people around a lot of areas typically around the mediterranean area.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

no they don't, that is made up fantasy nonsense. the ancestors of polynesians are from the western pacific. about 80% austronesian and 20% papuan/melanesian.

@TM686K

9 ай бұрын

Don't relate us to those dirty wogs lol.

@rog3785

5 ай бұрын

Troll

@melaroha8003

5 ай бұрын

you don't know the meaning of troll, troll Is someone behind their devices commenting on peoples posts saying nasty things, these people are usually narcissist. I know one when I see one. @@rog3785

@animusrex883

3 ай бұрын

@@rog3785 research: Monica Matamua DNA results

Six seals (Pinnipeds) species live in the Antarctic ~ Ross ,Weddel,Crabeater,Leopard, Fur, Elephant ~

@edwardfletcher7790

10 ай бұрын

Good comment 👍 none of them have tusks either !

You’re amazing man thank u💪🏼🙏🏼❤ U know your stuff👉🏼🧠😉👌🏼✅

“ Tahi Fatu “ means, Thick Ocean ! This is Ordinary Every Day Polynesia Language ! No Mystery Here !!!

Unlikely of any concerted canoe trips to Antarctica, they would have frozen to death, especially coming from the warmer tropical climates. More critical; is why they never made it Australia?, it is after all the big southern continent close to NZ. But no, no recorded evidence of anything.

@shaneheu-5782

10 ай бұрын

They must have ages ago then when the southern continent had greenery this would have been 15 000 yrs ago when the Northern hemisphere had frozen over Canada and New York was frozen too and Antarctica had vegetation the super continent Zeallandia was a natural land bridge which connected Oz NZ Antarctica and South America aswel as Tongan 😀 trench , and the the rest of Polynesian islands, and through our geneology charts there HAVE been migrations to Antarctica, this would have to have been done during the Summer Months

@shaneheu-5782

10 ай бұрын

Well whanau never lived in Oz, Aborigines were already there, just shows you the skill involved by the Captain of the Waka and well NZ has always been the Home of the Maori 👍

@originalclaymoreboy728

10 ай бұрын

Polynesians were frequent travelers to Australia and the americas😂 keep your white theories to yourself.

@maozedong8370

10 ай бұрын

@@shaneheu-5782 Are you an idi0t or just completely devoid of any scientific knowledge? It is well known that Antarctica has been frozen for over 40 million years. Antarctica has been a frozen wasteland 38 million years before the human species even existed. To say it was green 15,000 years ago is beyond ludicrous.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

there is some evidence polynesians reached australia, eg the dark point adze found in nsw but made from norfolk island basalt.

I'm pretty sure the Polynesians didn't have plastic sheets laying around

I jst wanted to ask wea u got th foto ov tht family frm?

I heard that just after fishing up the north island they took off to 😊antarctica but found it to cold so headed back home after stopping in the chatham islands for refreshments

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

yeah none of that is true

I love how yall just put a picture of steven adams with a white beard on the thumbnail.🤣😂

There was an article that I read a couple years back, that mentioned a discovery of a wooden boat (looked like a canoe) that was found in the artic. Might of been antarctica I dont remember clearly.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

Not the Antarctic.

This is a great video, good job. Just really want to point this out since this is a very maori centered subject and maybe there isnt much illustration depicting ancient seafaring maori ppl but at the 8 min mark that illustration is actually uniquely to hawaiian.

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

well maybe we as a people need inspire our kids into becoming artists and scientists rather than football and rugby players to entertain the masses? Maybe then, we'd have a plethora of arts covering Maori, Samoan, Tongan, Hawaiian, Rarotongan, Rapa Nui, Tahitian, Tokelauan, Tuvaluan, Hivan, Pa'umotuan, Rurutuan, Mangarevan, and other island groups I can't think of now.

fascinating

Out of all of Polynesia Tongans where the greatest warriors / sea travelers

@jaqenhghar2970

6 ай бұрын

will you stop with the whole superiority complex?

@Killuminati87

4 ай бұрын

Fact is by all means not superiority

@JoeHeatSteel95

19 күн бұрын

Hell the F**k they're Not.

Obviously Polynesians are the greatest navigators ever, they discovered every rock in the Pacific- BUT how did they know the shape of NZ is a fish and a canoe? You can only see that from the air.

@jonjon1842

10 ай бұрын

I have always wondered about that, they even knew the bottom island as the anchor of the canoe, and the North Island is a stingray and it is shaped as one, they also say lake Taupo is the heart, and where Wellington is, is the head. The South Island is actually shaped like a canoe. How did they know the whole shape without maps?

I think it is possible Polynesians arrived in Antarctica, they were pretty complex people. Seems unlikely they settled there I'd say. Some rationale: Polynesians were masters of the sea. Sir Peter Buck described them as the 'Vikings of the Sunrise'. They used an early navigational sextant [a 'Tanawa'], had huge double-hulled craft, were crewed by men and women [for seeding new lands], and made clothing from fibres, feathers and furs, and also made footwear. For example, winter footwear was made from scraped flax, padded or double-padded with raupo [similar to cat-tails], and then giant sandals over the top. They made leggings of harakeke, with padding of dried grasses and raupo wrapped beneath. They made winter cloaks out of dog and seal skin lined with feathers with ties to cinch it tighter, and used woven thatch-like capes to keep out heavy rain. They even fashioned hats called 'potae' which was a helmet-shaped flax hat with ear flaps and a peaked ridge along the top. It is said that some Ancient Maori called the currents of the Pacific Ocean 'The Long Tides'. For example, the Southern Equatorial Current was referred to as 'Te Tai Mahunui', and the West Wind Drift 'Te Tai Ara Roa'. To sail The Long Tides was reffered to as 'Riding The Whale', because ancient Maori used the feeding and breeding patterns of the 'White Whale' and 'White Dolphin' to show them how to safely navigate across the Pacific, and avoid the dreaded 'Octopus'[giant deadly Pacific whirlpools]. Each waka [twin-hulled timber sea-craft] had 88 men and women in each hull, sat in pairs, with 40 on each side, plus 4 general helpers. One crew of 88 paddled or took up the sail with the whale, and the other crew of 88 followed the dolphin; the crew changing when their designated guide appeared. One crew worked the day, the other working through the night. The dolphin ran in calm waters with undisturbed currents, and the whale hunted turbulent waters where tides would meet and be chaotic. The captain followed the whales through disturbed currents to keep the waka from being destroyed in the whirlpools. To summon the whale for navigation, the captain would craft a simple trumpet from harakeke called an 'oaro' to mimic the call of a baby whale in distress. The dolphin was called by the capatin by pressing their mouth against the submerged oar and making a distress call of their young, sending the vibrations into the sea and sometime throwing crushed mussels into the water. These tides took them between New Zealand, Easter Island, South America and who knows where else.

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

Polynesians were excellent sailors and navigators. There’s no good evidence they reached or even saw Antarctica.

@animusrex883

3 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten Yeah they were. Not all of Antarctica is covered in ice, even Byrds Operation Highjump footage clearly showed that, however I'm dubious about how they'd get through the surface ice, but perhaps it has passage from time to time. Unsure. 'Good evidence' is subjective. Not everybody sees oration as valid. This isn't an academic resource, nor is it scholarly reference material. So why bother? Well, the utility in these discussions etc for me is to entertain ideas without accepting them, in order to see if patterns emerge across a much broader base of investigation. My main interests are really global cataclysm, ancient megaliths, human origins, depth psychology and the occult. The mysteries of the pacific and the mysteries of Antarctica come up non-stop. If you are a proponent of the Electric Universe model, and of crustal displacement theory (which I am), some of the legends handed down over the ages in Polynesia line up remarkably with modern dating of timelines of ancient global events. Quotes like "angry stars gathered close to the moon to give birth to the Tides of Choas, the dreaded Deluge". The stars moving in the sky before the deluge is a bad, bad sign. I wanna drink it all in. Im not a Sagan guy but 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is a wise viewpoint for Antarctica, the place is enigmatic. Thank you for reading my essay haha.

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

@@animusrex883 you obviously believe all manner of irrational nonsense. The interpretation about Polynesians seeing Antarctica is from Percy smith, pakeha ethnographer and well known embellisher. No Polynesians in Antarctica.

@KimberlyQue-fv7ge

3 ай бұрын

​@@eeeatenmy god get a farkn life

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

@@KimberlyQue-fv7ge our history and truth are important to me

Awesome info bro

Changing history for gain,

Patagonian Indians may have accidently washed up in Antarctica, and then...never made it back...because they werent skilled navigators. You can imagine Maori sailors accidently finding Antarctica, making it back to NZ using their navigation skills, and then others hearing the word that there is a landmass far to south making subsequent trips. But then these later Moari adventureres to Antarctica would figure out that the new landmass was (a)useless for agriculture...but great as a temporary base for whaling, and for hunting those funny big fat dog like mammals that live in the water (ie seals). But the Moari would have lacked the infrastructure to support temporary bases like that. Nor would they have the time to evolve an eskimo type lifestyle to permanently live off sea mammals, and nothing but sea mammals, on a coastal polar tundra the way the Inuit do on the opposite side of the world. So its hard to imagine a Moari colonization of Antarctica amounting to much of historic significance.

@thecurrentmoment

10 ай бұрын

Not to mention houses/shelters - what would they use? I suppose they could make something out of seal skins and bones, but no wood for fire to cook anything...

@matthoward9860

10 ай бұрын

I have similar thoughts. I don't deny they could have made expeditions. Would have been good whaling and sealing. Especially over summer when the 24/7 hours of sunlight. But settling there would have been a lot harder. No trees for shelter fire wood or repairs on boats. No flax for rope or sails. You couldn't maintain a settlement. More like a trip down to the supermarket.

@thecurrentmoment

10 ай бұрын

@@matthoward9860 true, I suppose they could bring extra supplies and take shelter in their boat. I saw the lack of shelter as being a really difficult obstacle to overcome. How do set up a camp with just snow and ice? Unless you make an igloo, or perhaps use stones to make buildings, could roof them with animal skins (I don't think there has ever been any evidence of stone buildings). Just seems extremely unlikely given the evidence and knowing what Antarctica is like. And why ho all that way, with all those risks, for some whales and seals when there are plenty around anyway. There were still tons and tons of seals and whales in New Zealand when the Europeans arrived, why would Maori or Polynesians need to go all the way to Antarctica? On top of that, there are also the subantarctic islands south of New Zealand with oodles of seals. We are missing a motive in this mystery

@matthoward9860

10 ай бұрын

@@thecurrentmoment Places like Auckland island and others are believable. However settlements in Antarctica... The first nation people of Alaska and Canada had hundreds of generations to learn how to survive in the Arctic climate. All the way back from their ancestors that crossed the ice bridge from current day Russia to North America in the ice age. They would also have access to drift wood and large mammals because they are part of the north American continent. People from the tropics of the pacific are not from that background. They wouldn't have that experience/knowledge to survive in an arctic climate from just arriving there eg. Build igloos and burn seal fat etc. I don't doubt their sailing and navigation ablities. But settling Antarctic is hardcore man.

@thecurrentmoment

10 ай бұрын

@@matthoward9860 that's what I was thinking. It is really implausible However, I was thinking of how it could be possible, and what they would have to do to accomplish that. It is theoretically possible, somehow, maybe, but there is no evidence for it and it is extremely unlikely that they would be able to even have a camp there, and there is also no need or motivation for them to do so, as far as I can see. Maori did have dogskin cloaks and made insulated capes for cold weather, and rain capes, so they definitely adapted to cold weather, although Antarctica is something else, even in summer. How, or why, they would get to Antarctica to do anything is beyond me. Interesting to think about though

I've seen old maps from 13 14 and 1500s. Some of which depicted Antarctica as "magellanica" and showed people there with red hair and riding on animals. Same maps depict africans in correctly also crocodiles. Depicted native Americans and other peoples in the correct areas. So the fact Antarctica was shown with people, as well as no ice. Is telling

@edwardfletcher7790

10 ай бұрын

Antarctica hasn't been ice free for millions of years. Greenland however was mainly ice free 415,000 yrs ago. Are you confused ?

@thehighcheef9836

10 ай бұрын

@@edwardfletcher7790there are findings that there is a huge green forest and lake beneath the Antarctic ice. There are even legends of a giant hole that goes into the center of the earth.. look up General Bird from the U.S. NAVY. He’s stated several times even mentions it in his diary.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

you're probably talking about the piri reis map, which does not show antarctica. there's no evidence antarctica was sighted until the 1820s.

@edwardfletcher7790

10 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten All those old maps show gigantic sea monsters too 😂 lol

@charlesnol2187

10 ай бұрын

​@@eeeatenactually, there are maps from the 1500s that show Antarctica. Some Turkish explorer drew a map and even states in it that he copied the land mass from a even older map. But hey, modern science says so many things aren't possible buuuut, the as a Maori, I don't think it was Antarctica they went to. The logistics and keeping warm alone would make it treacherous at best.

I do think theres a ancient connection witth the Inuit and the Polynesian people of the pacific..The Kaitaia carving unearthed in new Zealand looks similar to the carvings from the natives that live through out Alaska and down through Canada..

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

there's no secure evidence of polynesians in the americas before columbus

@parishilton6858

14 күн бұрын

This makes sense. The walruses that were recorded were probavly from the aleutian ilands up now rth in alaska

The Southern Ocean - possible. Antarctica itself - unlikely. Those waters are terribly dangerous, freezing, stormy, unpredictable. What landmasses there are are barren like Macquerie. Why exactly would the Maori sailors risk going though that? Likely head back to their homeland.

How did they survive the trip there?? The waters down there are deadly rough...

@jdeedaniels6313

10 ай бұрын

In our culture we karakia (incantations/prayer) before we do anything with nature and all things rather, because we connect back to the land, air and sea which would've help them abit but they could also read the elements? Western technology still can't figure it out to this day

@jonjon1842

10 ай бұрын

They were very clever and extremely tough people.

My brother Rarotonga is Cook islands 🇨🇰 Tonga 🇹🇴 is a neighbouring island in the pacific. Idk if you mixed the two but in cook islands , our trip to NZ ,the end of polynesia we lost a canoe to nz, 6 made it , 1 went missing. But we believe we were experts that we missed nz and found another island either being your theory or Australia 🇦🇺. Cheers bro from cook island

I am maori i did my ancestral research that lead me to search for hawaiki and i believe we come from voyagers who left antartica once a tropical place which changed due to the shift of continents they needed to voyage due to ice and freezing over of lands moving up from the further eastern part of antarica moving up through and around polynesian triangle i believe if we could scientifically study antartica we would find where polynesians started their migration from however due to western and eastern views they refuse to help study antartica because it will unravel the fact polynesian people are antartic people

@eeeaten

4 ай бұрын

antarctica has been frozen solid for millions of years. so no. polynesian people are from polynesia - the tropical islands of the pacific. from samoa/tonga, and from the western pacific before that.

I've a theory, which is not getting much traction 😞In the New Zealand High Commission in London there is a huge totem pole. Of course we usually associate Totem Poles with the Pacific Northwest. They are a tradition in some areas of the PPacific

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

What’s your theory? You didn’t say.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

@chieftama1825 kook a doodle dooo 🐓

Beyond Rapa could mean South America, where you find Patagonia, with Glaciers on the sea and mountains that Pearce the Sky's. The Animal that dives to great depths is obviously a Sperm Whale. I do wonder if infact this story came from a whaling ship by Polynesian crew that had already traveled on such ships by 1904. Otherwise there is the small genetic link between the Polynesians and South Americans. And the Kumara, and the Mythology of Maui where he visited the Mountains in the East. It seems to me much more likely than Antarctica.

@_.Marz._

6 ай бұрын

​​@robintamihere4550​​Members of my whanau took part in the Geno project through National Geographic and it was discovered that we had traces of ancient Egyptian and Persian dna. This dna was specific to a period between 1000-5000 years ago. Then we discovered Monica Matamua's story and her dna results were similar. FYI..there's no direct family connection between us and Monica so that was an interesting discovery for us. I'm currently looking into this.

@animusrex883

3 ай бұрын

@robintamihere4550 Very interesting! Food for thought

@animusrex883

3 ай бұрын

Yeah thats plausable for sure. The ancient tales spoke of the 'White Whale' used for navigation in harsh ocean currents where they hunted, and the 'White Dolphin' for calm currents. They would summon them by imitating the call of their young in distress and then follow them along the safer path. Maybe a whte humpback whale? The kumara is an interesting one, it arrived in polynesia by atleast 1000ad. Maori had winter clothing from dog and seal fur too so I doubt polynesians would avoid a cold expedition if they had a good reason to risk it, but who knows haha

Why do people keep suggesting that metallurgy is a sign of higher intelligence? It's not.

Te-Au-Tanga-Nuku, Tangiia Nui, Kupe, Toi, Te-Tua-Tarangi, Karika, and many more Cook Islands ancestors explored the South Pole seas. Thus we have words for snow (Kiona) and some animals which they had come across during their voyage. According to our Polynesian history, Samoa and Marquesas Islands were one of the 1st Islands colonised by our Maori Ancestors eventually spreading out towards Tahiti, Hawaii, Cook Islands and eventually the last major migration was Aotearoa (New Zealand)

@eeeaten

5 ай бұрын

there's no evidence of polynesians in antarctica, and the difficulty getting there makes it very unlikely they got there.

@kumarapatch1234

Ай бұрын

​@eeeaten plus they didn't have clothing for the below zero Temps the never had footware they would freeze to death imagine the night's in antarctic sitting in an out rigger

Im a Maori from Taranaki but live in Tauranga now, anyway i liked the video bro, have a look for a doco made in nz about the red hared giants skeletons and 2000 year old stone walls scattered around the Waipua forest up north and the Taupo wall, Its called skeletons in the cubboard or closet, its a 2 part doco but you could revisit this for another video perhaps? would love to see it if so haha

@shaneheu-5782

10 ай бұрын

So there were other races living here,..Urukehu which were of the Patupaiarehe both had white hair and paleskin, and short...and the Tuurehu who were the Red haired paleskin and tall and fiery, the Hakuturi,Ponaturi and a few others but this is where the pakeha put there claimss in 😂 because they have white skin so that be there point across that Europeans were here earlier, GOOD TRY BUT NO , they are FULL blooded Maori and whakapapa to Maui,Tunui te ika and Hine kohunui, mythical legends of Te whanau o Ranginui the Sky children and that's how there eyes are blue, like the sky and hair white like the clouds.. ... ANOTHER thing is our geneology whakapapa is very complex and this was spoken of by historians well known...... SO all Pacific families with hierarchy ALL have there whakapapa and when it is related to Maori they tell well we all seem to know of and how we relate,so the American Native Indian would relate a story of people living in the mountains Giants with red hair the same race who live here and this is The Ring of Fire and we ARE all linked JUST LIKE THE PAKEHA.But Aotearoa was and is OUR land which God brought us here

@Vinkabbeats

10 ай бұрын

@shaneheu-5782 it's good to hear this bro thanks for the insight I'm always curiously learning more as I age about our mean aotearoa

@shaneheu-5782

10 ай бұрын

@@Vinkabbeats whereabouts in Taranaki is home brother I'm from Waitara 😎🫶

@vajeye-nar6172

10 ай бұрын

That vid has been proven to be incorrect many times by maori and white people. Its a propaganda video trying to justify that maori weren't there first

@pkae85

10 ай бұрын

​@shaneheu-5782 are you shane who works on an oil rig and holidays in bali?

3.30 the walrus.... doesn't it lives on the Northern Hemisphere? Just asking. By the way, I think Patagonia is also closer to the Antarctic

It's possible. The Maori once had a settlement on Aukland Island, so they could have traveled further south.

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

no evidence for it, too hard to get there.

@michaelvonblucherafaltona1994

3 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten No evidence yet. Before Europeans reached Antarctica, the Maori described geologic features of a land to the South. When Europeans reached Antarctica, they found those features as described. So how did the Maori know?

@eeeaten

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelvonblucherafaltona1994 none of that is true

To me it sounds like they encountered the kinda crappy sub-antarctic islands like South Georgia and the little seamounts that stick up. The sea ice is also clearly a big part of it, and its worth noting that these are really old stories so the ice may have been forming or extending at different latitudes back then.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

there's no evidence they reached those places

You don't get Walrus in the Antarctic 😂

whenever you're looking to a book from 1904 written by a coloniser about indigenous peoples you should think twice about its accuracy. percy smith is well known for combining and fictionalising oral histories and we've spent a century undoing the misunderstandings spread by his writing. there's evidence of polynesian explorers in most of the pacific. they probably reached america and australia. they reached the auckland islands and the chathams (no pottery though). they may have seen sea ice on their travels. there's no evidence of any sighting of antarctica until the 1820s.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 science provides evidence for what is real and what is not. Oral histories can be supported or undermined by evidence. Generally oral histories don’t claim to be literally true, but true for the people they belong to, accepting that other people may have different or contradictory stories.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

@@generalmelchett2881 oral histories do generally have _some_ truth to them, and can inform decisions as in the situation you referenced. In the context of this video it’s well known that Percy smith’s “histories” were combined and embellished which therefore undermines the legitimacy of anything he said. For example his nonsense about moriori being the pre-maori inhabitants of nz, displaced by Māori. It sounds like you have a specific axe to grind that is really unrelated to this video. This video suggests Polynesians may have made it to Antarctica; the evidence suggests they did not. Smith’s interpretation of rarotongan oral history is unreliable and there’s no evidence to support the hypothesis.

I can't see an almost naked people from the Tropics thriving or even surviving in the Antarctic for long. Maori do not do well when it gets really cold.

Great video we do need to keep in mind that the ocean waters were much lower then they are today.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

no they weren't, they were almost exactly the same as they are today.

There are many many inaccuracies and mistakes here. Besides numerous stretches in logic in what those tales mean exactly, there are also no walruses in the southern hemisphere. And the marakai-hau in Maori folklore is not anything like a walrus. It doesn't even have a pair of tusks, that is a misrepresentation. I also highly doubt the Maori would have had any reason to go to Antarctica or go southwards. The sub-Antarctic islands where the Maori could presumably have used as stopping points don't have any evidence of Polynesian settlement.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

?? you're right about the walrus but maori/polynesian voyagers obviously went south or they wouldn't have discovered new zealand and the chatham islands. there is evidence in the auckland islands, nearly 500km south of the south island of nz. regardless i agree - polynesians most likely did not reach or even see antarctica.

Walrus or Sea-Elephant... you are aware that these 2 are completely different animals?

My Ancestors travelled all around the world on these double hulled Waka’s-Canoes, there were stories of some that big they had 100 rowers similar to a catamaran set up one would assume, with a Whare-House/Building in the middle, and massive sails made from weaved material, they were huge open sea faring Wakas navigating by knowledge of the currents,winds and the stars, our stories mention our ancestors being 8-10-12-up to 14ft tall…How else would you be able to row/sail around the world🤔surely not if you were 5ft tall🥴I have no doubt we went down to Antarctica,..exposed land mass and weather conditions would have been a lot different back then too, possibly totally different from what it is now🧐Great vlog mate,wish it was longer!Nga Mihi Nui

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

they sailed they didn't row. they were regular sized people. the weather and land was much the same as it is now. there's no evidence of anyone sighting antarctica until the 1820s.

@razbishara6491

10 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten ummmm I’m pretty sure I mentioned we rowed AND SAILED…(row/sail)…the wind isn’t there all the time….what do you think they just drifted half the time hoping they would end up where the6 were going?…when there’s no wind what do you think they did?….Your talking 1800’s,…I’m talking WELL BEFORE THAT!…We were rowing AND SAILING around 100’s of years BEFORE THEN lol…and no sorry we were not “regular sized people” according to my tribal ancestral history as we know it!

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@razbishara6491 I don’t think you understand any of this. You’re getting fantasy mixed up with reality.

@razbishara6491

10 ай бұрын

@@eeeaten lol…thank you for your colonised thoughts!

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@razbishara6491 thinking people had real magic and were giants undermines the legitimacy of indigenous histories.

If they got to 500 miles of Antarctica. There is no doubt in my mind that they could have reached Antarctica or at least they got so close to it that they could observe the environment from the sea and lived to tell the tales.

@eeeaten

9 ай бұрын

Very unlikely

Why are these pseudohistory channel so calming even if they're peppered with bs? I can see why people can be fooled to believe these channels count as factual.

The folks of Cape Horn were much closer, kinda missed that bit. Perhaps a little bit of fanciful embellishment methinks

@hankakah4180

10 ай бұрын

Were the people of Cape Horn able to sail across the Pacific Ocean? Polynesians were crisscrossing the Pacific and finding countries across the outer rims of the ocean. If they could find Hawaii and Easter Island, what makes you think they didn't find these other lands? Hawaii is 2,500 miles in the middle of the ocean, I'm pretty sure the people of Cape Horn wouldn't have known how to reach that. There is a difference between finding something, and finding a civilization already living there.

@billybobwombat2231

10 ай бұрын

@@hankakah4180 not saying they couldn't, dude references Australia and new Zealand as being closest to Antarctica, while omitted south America which is much closer and forgets about Africa, the aboriginals of Australia aren't known to be ocean going nomads , if he references Australia in that model he should reference the other land masses, just pointing out a few holes in his little story perhaps

If true that there was no walrus in Antarctica the Polynesians nevertheless ventured as far as Alaska and may well have gotten the myth of tusked creatures from their northern compatriots: don't underestimate the prowess of the greatest mariners that ever lived!

@eeeaten

7 ай бұрын

nope. the most reasonable explanation is that they didn't mean walrus.

Lots of good stuff in your video bro. Thanks 🥝🇳🇿😎

I thought this was an actual history channel until I heard "Ruins in Antarctica", then I saw your other content. Antarctica has been frozen solid since the Miocene Epoch. What would your hypothetical civilization live on? Building materials? Fuel? Channels like this just feed into fantasy and mislead folks from actual historical discoveries...

@tomkelly8827

10 ай бұрын

Whale, seal and penguin?

@originalclaymoreboy728

10 ай бұрын

European maps from the 1500s shows the area where Antarctica is as a green land..yet it says Antarctica was founded in the 1800s.

@eeeaten

10 ай бұрын

@@originalclaymoreboy728 no they don't.

@cabudagavin3896

10 ай бұрын

food: seals, fish, penguins etc, fuel: blubber, driftwood, Materials: packed ice. Hypothetically they could survive the same way as the Inuit as far as I can tell. but yeah, idk why they would want to.

@EresirThe1st

10 ай бұрын

@@cabudagavin3896 The inuit survived on large quantities of driftwood too. None of that in Antarctica.