The Hard Problem of Consciousness: Unraveling the Mystery of Mind - Brian Greene & Joe Rogan
Join Joe Rogan and Brian Greene as they delve into the profound enigma known as the hard problem of consciousness. Explore the fundamental question of how mindless particles can give rise to conscious experience. Brian Greene discusses the perplexing nature of this puzzle and the current limitations of scientific understanding. Discover the potential for a breakthrough in our comprehension of the brain and its intricate workings. Gain insights into the ongoing quest to unveil the underlying mechanisms that generate conscious awareness. Prepare to explore the fascinating intersection of physics, neuroscience, and the nature of consciousness.
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It's more likely that Consciousness creates particles and quartz and electrons and in reality Consciousness is all that there is.
@DaveSaysYesh
7 ай бұрын
Spot on sir
@mark5150ty
7 ай бұрын
@@DaveSaysYesh quantum physics leads us to believe that our reality is simulation. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, like we are just Sims in running on code. More like we are all part of the same consciousness experiencing our own selves from different respective in this 3rd dimension we created for ourselves.
@DaveSaysYesh
7 ай бұрын
@mark5150ty I am currently leaning towards the 'consciousness only model' ideas shared by people like Bernado Kastrup and Rupert Spira, I think it's also known as idealism. Consciousness is primary, 'matter' appears in it. No more hard problem. No one will ever prove the existence of 'matter' outside of consciousness, obviously, as it requires consciousness to observe/witness the matter!
@nova8091
7 ай бұрын
@@mark5150ty bro if consciousness is not physical, it most certainly is not code is consciousness is code that would mean the characters in the Sims are already thinking and having an inner world, but they don’t because we can see all that is happening. We have an inner world thus we cannot be in a computer simulation. Also, the theory is inherently religious in the first place so I don’t accept it.
@mark5150ty
7 ай бұрын
@@nova8091 who said that it was necessary for you to be running on code for it to be a simulation?? Just because the only way that we have to run a simulation is on a computer doesn't mean that in higher dimensions the computer is necessary or that code is necessary. Your thinking is limited to the Here and Now of this reality. The laws of physics need not apply in higher realms.
We are consciousness having a human experience
@wayneaye3700
2 ай бұрын
👏yes
every rando in the comments thinks they have the answer lmao
@Faber0k
Жыл бұрын
Lol you are right about that.
@millenialmusings8451
11 ай бұрын
Yep. It's so funny to see every run down schmuck acting like an expert in the comments section and writing with full conviction. 😂
@TubeOfTheYou1000
8 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with people trying to understand the truth don’t be ignorant
@nova8091
7 ай бұрын
@@millenialmusings8451 elitism gets you nowhere friend
@millenialmusings8451
7 ай бұрын
@@nova8091 lol since when did calling out stupidity become elitism?
You can't get consciousness from something that is defined in a way to have nothing to do with consciousness. Materialism had a good run, but it is over.
@enekaitzteixeira7010
8 ай бұрын
That's not how the brain is defined. Pretty dumb comment.
@isaiahfreeman330
8 ай бұрын
It's called emergent properties. Take liquidity as an instance
@jonc6157
2 ай бұрын
@@isaiahfreeman330wetness or liquidity is dimply physical, another analogy removing physicalism would be better... if possible.
@Gaxi2
2 ай бұрын
@@isaiahfreeman330 The wetness you feel from liquids is a conscious experience. Take consciousness away and it is just some matter in liquid form without any wetness. The wetness of wet, colourness of colours, tastiness of taste is all the result of you being conscious.
@swabrianwar1020
26 күн бұрын
mashallah exactly what i wanted to type
That's because consciousness is making matter not the other way around
@eddie1975utube
Жыл бұрын
All this pseudo bullshit. Consciousness makes matter not the other way around? No way. The brain clearly makes consciousness. You guys are wishful thinking. Accept your fate. You do it every night. You surrender your consciousness to sleep. One day you’ll never wake up. It’s that simple. In fact, if you lose just 2 cubic millimeters (less than half a grain of rice) of your Reticular Activating System (RAS) in the brain stem you will NEVER again be conscious. People need to grow some balls and face the reality of death. We were dead for 13.7 billion years and will be dead for eternity. We have a short stint here. Make the most of it. Learn, love and be kind. All we have is our knowledge and each other.
@Shiro_Sora
11 ай бұрын
Yes
@millenialmusings8451
11 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@harsh9023
5 ай бұрын
🤦
@audreannemasse7704
3 ай бұрын
Matter isnt matter hahaha
How simple Brian. Thanks
Consciousness emerging from matter is only a hard problem if you have an incorrect hypothesis of the universe and are unwilling to reformulate it despite never being able to prove it. Matter actually 'emerges' from Consciousness does it not? Consciousness must be present for 'matter' to be observed. Has anyone seen matter existing outside of consciousness? No and they never will, a hopeless theory.
@nathanielwilding3779
19 күн бұрын
Dark matter?
Science didn’t know that atoms had an “inner world” until fairly recently
@danfrische3801
11 ай бұрын
It's a bad theory, there's no proof at all.
@rockprime1136
7 ай бұрын
Science cannot even tell if there is really an "inner world" in humans except when it is revealed by communicating about it. How would atoms go about telling you its inner world. Vibrate at a certain frequency?
We understand our environment through our senses in the first place. So to try to understand our senses with our senses creates a self-reference paradox. It’s like asking your eyeball to rotate in a way so that it’s looking directly at itself - the task is a logical impossibility, as is solving the Hard Problem.
Very well said
Consciousness makes evolution more efficient. How matter, does this we have no idea yet.
Welcome to KZread ! where the greatest questions are not just answered with logic but also developed into new theories. Great place to hit your head hard into emotional damages .
Man cannot explain, so he says science cannot explain.Man was so vulnerable to accept his finite mind body
How does a phone work? How does a TV work? Invisible signals....
Michael Shermer would say to Brian Greene "we're talking on two different levels here"
❤❤ SURE YOUR RIGHT.. OUR UNDERSTANDING EVOLVES JUST LIKE WE DID DO AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO 💯 ❤❤
Everything is in consciousness and i am that consciousness ❤ Aham Brahamasmi 🔥
@Sciencemerasaathi
19 күн бұрын
Ok Bina soche Maan lo sab kuchh😂
@xxyyzz69
19 күн бұрын
@@Sciencemerasaathi khu tu bahut sochta he kya 😂
@Sciencemerasaathi
19 күн бұрын
@@xxyyzz69 Ha is chiz pe to Mai bohot sochta hu
@xxyyzz69
19 күн бұрын
@@Sciencemerasaathi aatcha bada Einstein ka choda lagta he tu
Comments section is embarrassing. Now you know why the aliens won't contact us 😂
@ChannelZeroX
3 ай бұрын
Says the guy who believes in aliens
@millenialmusings8451
3 ай бұрын
@@ChannelZeroX says the autist who cannot get a joke. SMH
@BabyRufus
2 ай бұрын
Lmao
@j.c8464
Ай бұрын
@@ChannelZeroX Bro don’t be Daft, out of a potential infinite space you think this is the only habitable planet? Heck even some of the planets close to us used to be habitable, granted, no proof of life that people like me and you know of. But if out of 7 planets in a “infinite” space some are hospitable, then that there is most definitely life in many other galaxies. Let’s just critically think here, put down who ever told you “ohhhh the government can’t prove yap..yap..yap”. Think for yourself and think about the chances that if a planet only needs certain elements to allow life exist and there’s more planets and galaxies then you’ll ever be able to count in your lifetime. then we’re not alone my friend.
Even if you find that 20 billion particles arranged in a certain configuration yeild consciousness, the question still remains why that configuration yields consciousness.
@matiasnapoli568
10 ай бұрын
that's the real meaning of the "hard problem" proposed by Chalmers, not what's being explained in the video. At least he is adressing at it as a problem, which most of scientism followers don't even realize.
@kenaultman7499
10 ай бұрын
@@matiasnapoli568bro, science isn't a religion no matter how badly you want to conflate it with that. Science is simply experimenting and observing. Can anyone do this experiment and come to the same conclusion? Can it make correct predictions about the future? Plus, science has to remain open to critique or we'd never advance it. We'd be stuck at square one if we did that. That's why we leave theories open to review. If you find a problem in one of these fields, publish it. This is in direct conflict with religion. Which, is unchanging and not open to revision. One is based on objective, repeatable observation, and one isn't.
@matiasnapoli568
10 ай бұрын
@@kenaultman7499 i know main differences between science and religion, but a lot of scientists and people related to science tend to forget that even the definitions of science or theory were subject of disagreement and tied to a lot of redifinition. What i mean is, if epistemology can redifine the meaning of science, then what we understand for science today could be different in the future. Also science DOES give definitions. If you read a molecular biology book it won't tell you "if you wanna know what a cell IS, see one through a microscopy", it will give you the exact definition that was built up through time. Another thing are assumptions that an specific science does. For example, neurosciences take a definition of consciousness for granted, even if it was never defined what it IS (not how it works or how a certain drug correlates with a particular brain activity). I'm not saying sciences are failing to define it because it's simply not their job. But i'm also convinced that we will never be able to define it, it'll remain a mistery forever
@Bbouy1HD
8 ай бұрын
@@kenaultman7499 that had nothing to do with what he said smh
@kenaultman7499
8 ай бұрын
@@Bbouy1HD he said "scientism" as if it is a type of faith. It's not. Science doesn't require faith as it uses objective observation. If you doubt any part of any science, you're encouraged to try to prove it wrong. This is in stark contrast to religion which doesn't like people asking questions. Science encourages you to ask those questions. If you don't get a satisfactory answer, you are welcome to do the experiments on your own and present the data. Again, no faith is required with science. While with religion, faith is the cornerstone of religion. So yeah, it has everything to do with what they said. You claiming otherwise absent of any argument or evidence, doesn't make it so.
Answer : intelligent design.
@v.5442
Жыл бұрын
Cope
@Noah-bi4ll
Жыл бұрын
Answer: The cells are living entities. But you can think of whatever you need to work out reality.
@Steve-sg3uz
Жыл бұрын
The speaker is pointing out what old school atheists have always said... we're just molecules no different than a rock and both your head and rock have the same moral value.
@Astrophile2345
7 ай бұрын
Than who created the intelligent design?? lol
@Steve-sg3uz
7 ай бұрын
@@Astrophile2345 You're assuming we're something close to God.
Human consciousness is not located in the brain. The brain is simply a "communication port" through which spiritual consciousness interacts with the physical world and the physical body.
@kotcraftchannelukraine6118
2 ай бұрын
No, mind and consciousness are by-products of physical processing in the brain itself. Subjective experience is probably just an electricity in the brain.
@tbardoni5065
2 ай бұрын
No, human consciousness does seem to reside in the brain. We know this because anesthesia works on the brain to shut it completely down of any semblance of consciousness. However, just bc it resides in the brain does not mean it comes from the brain. Creatures without brains display consciousness. Interestingly, no one knows why or how anesthesia works.
@tbardoni5065
2 ай бұрын
@@kotcraftchannelukraine6118In humans, probably, but that’s not universally true. Creatures without brains can still display consciousness. So while human consciousness seems to reside in the brain, that does not mean consciousness comes from the brain.
@warriorson7979
2 ай бұрын
@@tbardoni5065 If you switch off your phone's screen and speaker...you won't know if your phone is really "shut down of any semblance of consciousness". The same with a human under anesthesia.
@kotcraftchannelukraine6118
2 ай бұрын
@@tbardoni5065 Creatures without brain can show intelligence due to their nervous system, which also made of neurons and poses basic cognitive functions. Anesthesia works by lowing transmission of electrical signals between neurons in brain for some time, then makes brain unable to react to external stimuli, lowing flow of internal stimuli in recurrent connections, disabling working memory and pattern recognition. All these processes, in fact, what consciousness actually is.
He appealed to science of the gaps. "In the future this will evaporate based on new scientific evidence"
Science is slowly catching up with the Vedas.
@matiasnapoli568
10 ай бұрын
actually true science stoped giving the chance to investigators to take their own conclusins and speculations when some of them started a war on religion. I think people like stephen hawking and carl sagan where geniouses, but also it seemed like they directed their work to prove the point that everything is casual instead of directed by some god, and also prove that atheists where in some way more inteligent and less indoctrinated than believers. But they had their mission and clear agenda, the rest just imitate that attitude to catch up. By contrast, it amazed me, for example, that Schroddinger used to think that consciousness was not material, something most of materialists would never let you know.
@Astrophile2345
7 ай бұрын
Religious scriptures were the one that which steels data from science and reinterprete the claims as if they knew something before science lol.
@wayneaye3700
2 ай бұрын
In the yuga we're in, the gap is not going to close
@Sciencemerasaathi
19 күн бұрын
@@wayneaye3700How do you know there are four yugas and how do you know who God is?.
Maybe, it's not the physical body that experiences consciousness. This is already known, that our bodies our avatars.....
@chazlabreck
Жыл бұрын
our "consciousness" might be simply the vertual construct of complex brain chemistry.. it's got to,limit itself or all your memories at once would drive you insane
@terryaucoin4708
Жыл бұрын
No its definitely the brain where the consciousness occurs. This is why why when someone has brain damage, their consciousness is affected.
@matiasnapoli568
10 ай бұрын
@@terryaucoin4708that only means they are corelated. Of course you can explain the method by which our brain captures outside stimules and process them, but, that doesn't mean consciousness "occurs" there.
@terryaucoin4708
10 ай бұрын
@matiasnapoli568 When you have any type of nero degree, you'll be listened to about this topic. Until then, you're just an idiot with a phone. You choose
@mrcrumpitizer2259
10 ай бұрын
@@terryaucoin4708Does the music from the radio station stop working for all radios just because your radio isn’t working? The brain is more like a receiver of consciousness than it is a creator of consciousness
If we analyze what is conciousness, we might find it overated
@matiasnapoli568
10 ай бұрын
What do you mean? I think it's the other way around. Look, it's the most unique thing in the whole universe, and the only thing we will never be able to explain, and yet most people relate it to the brain and just go on.
@taxidevogr
10 ай бұрын
@@matiasnapoli568 thanks you Matias, I mean a lot of things to fit in a comment, for example that it can be mimicked by AI because we can only measure responses audio visual, that it vanishes when brain stops, that is changed when brain is on drugs alcohol sleep sickness, that concious choices depend on experience like evil or good must be taught the hard way to a child, psychopaths or retarded or brain damaged people cannot function normally, half or more of the humans have depression and other mental problems that change their understanding of their surroundings , and i wish I could discuss this in a circle of psychiatrists
@ChannelZeroX
3 ай бұрын
Overrating itself? Lmao
Yep. It's so funny to see every random schmuck acting like an expert in the comments section and commenting with full conviction 😂
Your approaching the question, with an answer in mind?
Yes it will 😅 Consciousness will turn out to be based on clever architecture when we make progress in AI.
He almost answers the question in a way.
@j2futures500
7 ай бұрын
He is approaching an unknown, with a preconceived answer.
@ChannelZeroX
3 ай бұрын
What way?
That still wouldn’t answer subjective experience and qualia
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Depends what you mean by 'answer'.. It may well explain how brains produce qualia, but the explanation would not 'be' qualia, or allow knowledge of other people's qualia
Im sure theres much of computing science we havent found out. The numerically binary algorithms in the matrix that inevitably create certain anomolies that vibrate differently and self perpetuate themselves. Like codes and mathematical equations
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Sounds lovely. Reminds me of Jack Pallance as he explains a light effect in the sky in the great film 'Bagdad Cafe'.
Promisory materialism - Swami Sarvapriyananda
God
no you'll not find it..not in the brain atleast
Try psycadelics and thaats answered
If we think what it is doing is mindfulness, then we think the lights on. Physically we are how it interacts. A part of it. Are we consciousness in the universe or is the universe conscious? Horses not zebras
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
You decide..
The answer is complexity and emergence. It's old as fuck too. Basically the mind is made of information, and electrons carry information, and conciousness is information flow and interaction. What we don't know about conciousness is not how it comes to be, but more like why is it self conscious?... maybe all information is self conscious, just not intelligent, but who knows.
How do partials make us… who cares The real tough question is, if consciousness is in the brain, why is there consciousness after brain activity stops… it’s been documented people remember things, experience things after brain function stops… how could consciousness live on at all if it’s a brain function?
So true. Its because there is life in everything God creates. God is the answer and without him there is no answer.
@Sciencemerasaathi
19 күн бұрын
But where is your God?
Why would there be a consciousness at all? Why does everything has to have a meaning?
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
You are right to ask that question. We conceive of meaning to allow an analysis of the world, and to communicate our thoughts in a meaningful way, with a view to changing the world in some way. It's what we do..
@s.muller8688
4 ай бұрын
There is nothing to change, nothing at all, whatever happens to us is just part of the movement of life. Whatever you see as meaning is just someone's opinion glorified by repetition within a closed system we call consciousness, which is a shared consciousness not an individual one. The illusion of individuality is the core reason we assume there is such thing as a consciousness at all. @@meyricksainsbury5470
Completely wrong
Faith is the substance that does these things
Interesting!
Individual spirit inside the physical body.
@timhensley3695
11 ай бұрын
I wish so badly the Holy Ghost would enter all the scientists so they would know 😢 its an aha moment. It's matter of fact.
Jesus is the answer
@Dragongaming-us9en
Жыл бұрын
Nope
I know i know said CGJ But what it is i dont wanna know said me 2uu "GCAT" VERTICAL DOG on show 🦁👸🌪️🔑
The universe it’s self is alive.
@millenialmusings8451
11 ай бұрын
When are you collecting the Nobel prize?
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Now, why do you think that? is it coz you can define this planet, for example, as one living entity?
I think our definition of consciousness is too strict. If these electrons can create consciousness. Why can't say, a gas nebula in the perfect configuration, also be conscious or have properties of it?
There is consciousness therefore physics. Physics of the gaps.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Yep, and the right physical organisation of matter makes a conscious being..
@rockprime1136
4 ай бұрын
@@meyricksainsbury5470 Brian Greene's reasoning is similar to god of the gaps. To some of the religious, there is no other explanation for gaps in knowledge but some sort of god. To a materialist, there no is other explanation for gaps in knowledge like consciousness but physics, therefore physics of the gaps.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
@@rockprime1136 makes sense😃👍
He has faith in science, but would ridicule faith in a creator
It's called emergent properties.
Haha or maybe you have the wrong starting assumptions and you’ll be left behind by pioneers who reject your physicalist assumptions like Einstein left Cartesian spacetime behind.
@flyingmonkey3822
8 ай бұрын
Physicalists have to answer Hemple’s dilemma
@aiya5777
7 ай бұрын
Not yet even Quantum mechanics ain't that old. maboy ain't even several hundreds yo yet
God is the obvious answer, they just side stepping
@eddie1975utube
Жыл бұрын
God? Really? Which god? Zeus? Athena? Krishna? Brahma? Ganesha? Buddha?Allah? Jesus? Yahweh? And where is this god? Did you know 15,000 children under age 5 die everyday of starvation, malnutrition and preventable or treatable diseases. That’s 105,000 next week! They are suffering right now but will hang in for a few more days before succumbing. Yeah, god “obviously”.
@mrcrumpitizer2259
10 ай бұрын
If by God you mean consciousness is the source of creation then yes, but if you mean this distinct celestial being as believed in organised religion then no. The word God in organised religion has been heavily misinterpreted over the millennia
Don’t think so it’s not like we’re learning more and more little by little had a brain produces consciousness we know less than they did 2000 years ago about consciousness we got more questions not less and besides all that it’s 100% certain when the brain is not functioning because the heart stopped. Consciousness still continues. We have enough gathered evidence to prove the consciousness continues, even though the heart stops so the brain could not produce consciousness.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
If the heart stops the brain will go unconscious in a few seconds, but the brain won't have irreparable damage for about 8 minutes.. One can have quite a good dream in that time.
@MMAGUY13
4 ай бұрын
@@meyricksainsbury5470 not true heart stops no dreams are possible and out of the 30 million year death experience some of them are undeniable proof that consciousness still continues when the heart and brain has stopped they come back with information they could’ve only known how they been conscience during no brain and no heart activity
The Brain has nothing to do with consciousness. Clinically dead patient sometimes have lucid experiences and can even see what is going on around them at a time when they are supposed to be dead.
Not yet 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@aiya5777
7 ай бұрын
Not yet even Quantum mechanics ain't that old. maboy ain't even several hundreds yo yet
We may never know oh well
Reality is illusionary. A singular quantum force balances all occurrences to quotas calculable. Rolling a die 540 times yields each number having been rolled ~90 times. Combinationally 🎲🎲 the balance is much more intricate. Each occurrence is of frequency none the less. Through choice we create frequency.
Men and women brings a child same two unconscious things can begin consciousness
God.
Here's a question ... Where do our thoughts come from?
@v.5442
Жыл бұрын
Neurons interacting with neuron receptors. So you can literally see thoughts with a microscope.
@Spiritual_Katana
Жыл бұрын
@@v.5442Thank you for the reply to my previous question. I truly do appreciate that but I've always had another question that you could possibly help me with. Which came first.. The chicken or the egg? This has been a debate within my immediate circle for quite some time now and It needs to be answered!?-:)
@s.muller8688
11 ай бұрын
memory.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
@@Spiritual_Katana Birds evolved from dinosaurs. Dinosaurs laid eggs, so it's obvious that the egg came first. Birds evolved from little dinosaurs that looked like birds, but they were dinosaurs not birds. All dinosaurs laid eggs. Google "Dinosaurs laid eggs" for more info.
The answer you are looking for is called the soul
clearly not a biologist, or a neuro scientist. obvious why you don't understand.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Please continue.. why are you saying this?
God.
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
Oh god..
God
@v.5442
Жыл бұрын
How likely is that?
@MrStrongmuscle
Жыл бұрын
Stop please. God is not a responsible response.
@Dragongaming-us9en
Жыл бұрын
Gods not real just saying
@mrcrumpitizer2259
10 ай бұрын
He means Morgan Freeman 😂🙏
@meyricksainsbury5470
4 ай бұрын
@@mrcrumpitizer2259 Yep, he's the only external god around here. All so-called gods associated with religions are really concepts based on a process of personification which is used to explain otherwise dumbfounding occurrences.