I'm so glad I found you Rachel. Planet critical is my new only hope to change the corrupt systems I was born into and felt stuck in for 50 + years .

The different term needed at the 23 min. mark is rationing. The only hope to keep temps under 1.5 deg. C for this decade on average is a WWII style rationing program that mostly *slashes* the standard of living of the wealthy and super-rich, reduces the middle class some, doesn't affect the working poor and raises the really poor a little. I'm talking about advanced nations here. The poor nations would only ration their wealthy class.

@karlwheatley1244

7 ай бұрын

Finally, someone who understands the predicament we are in!

@phelixtaylor4973

5 ай бұрын

LoL Ya that's not happening and would still not be enough to avert a disaster if CC is truly as bad as alarmist say it is. Lucky for all you it's not nearly that bad.

@karlwheatley1244

5 ай бұрын

@@phelixtaylor4973 "Lucky for all you it's not nearly that bad." Unfortunately, it IS that bad. We're already warming the planet ~18 times faster than it usually warms when coming out of an ice age. That's too fast for most species and ecosystems to survive if sustained. Hint: For most major and minor mass extinctions in Earth's past, changes in global CO2 levels were the main kill mechanism. If you want to keep living things alive, it's best to keep the conditions they evolved to be adapted to as steady as possible.

@karlwheatley1244

5 ай бұрын

@@phelixtaylor4973 P.S. You might want to stop using the word "alarmist" and replace it with "the world's leading scientific experts." They have been warning us not to do this since 1957 and their warnings about how bad things would get have been quite accurate over the last 40 years.

@servicekid7453

4 ай бұрын

where is most of the unsustainable population growth happening? Are the wealthy, super-rich and middle class producing millions more human beings all of whom will consume ever more resources and accelerate greenhouse emissions? You don't need me to tell you the answer. Some policies about birth control and population growth rates are what is needed. Stop subsidising unsustainable population growth

I love the metaphor about the gaged, bound and closed people in the trunk of a car- that exactly how I feel the last a few years. But I haven’t seen strategy for how exactly we cooperate in order to overthrow the driver and get behind the wheel, without derailing the car into a precipice meanwhile.

How did I not find this channel sooner. Bad, bad KZread algorithm! Hi from Canada.

@Ln-cq8zu

4 ай бұрын

The fact that you did find this channel proves that the algos don't rule our lives completely 👍✊🌅

With maximum due respect, comrade Schneider misunderstands degrowth. Living in poverty is not living with degrowth. Degrowth is about a good life, and well-being. Often folks confuse degrowth with austerity and recession. It is the opposite of that. Degrowth is about dismantling the growth-imperative in our economic system, and replace it with other incentives. Degrowth is very comprehensive when it comes to policy from fiscal to energy, to stocks and flows of materials, to governance etc.

@radscorpion8

5 ай бұрын

well said. Its rather funny they invite a guest on who doesn't know anything about the subject

@Withnail1969

25 күн бұрын

A good life is not possible with 'degrowth'. The economy will collapse and therefore the supply of things we need for a good life will cease.

We need people like this fella in the US.

If the system as is continues i can see a French Revolution situation coming. Working people are getting screwed at every turn and anger is high and getting worse.

@globalwarming382

7 ай бұрын

I would like nothing more than to see a Marie Antoinette answer to the fossil fuel CEOs and shareholders but bcuz ppl in general are just so stupid, i see a SHTF situation instead. The rich retreat to their million dollar bunkers and the 90% killing one another over dwindling resources. I guess i watch to much Hollywood.

@3g0st

7 ай бұрын

I sure hope so.

@Aktentasche1

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately I see most of those who are angry about their situation (and rightfully so) draw the entirely wrong conclusions. Boosted by ridiculous media narratives of course but yea... prepare for some fascism before that‘s gonna happen

Great episode. Some fantastic metaphors.

Food production is a huge issue, it currently takes over 10 calories of fossil fuel to produce 1 calorie of food. This is wildly unsustainable.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

7 ай бұрын

nice stat on food energy! Yes it's strange how people fixate on ocean levels rising or renewable energy. Oops!!

@Withnail1969

25 күн бұрын

Completely unsustainable and there is nothing we can do about it.

I love these videos... always good for a laugh.

The aerosol masking paradox makes it abundantly clear that we have already reached the point of no return! However, fighting the good fight doesn't mean you will win, even though it may seem like the right thing to do, it's the moral thing to do regarding Mother earth, who we have disrespected & abused for far too long!

@TheFlyingBrain.

7 ай бұрын

It's not a good idea to talk yourself into thinking you know what the future will bring. There may be some factor we don't know about that could come into play. That is the real reason to "fight the good fight." Our existence is bound to the present. Be present to it and do the right thing to the best of your ability. Let go of the rest. Only your mind thinks it has to know the future.

@richdiana3663

7 ай бұрын

Shut off your belief in hope and abandon all positivity bias. The escaping methane alone will extinct us.

Back in the sixties we didn’t like the capitalistic consumerism society, and soon went back to the land. The communes had their own social failings, but some well thought out eco-villages have found a transitional success. Still hoping for the environment, the shack was replaced with a better well built traditional alternative house. Trying to live responsibly for the global picture, recycling, thrift stores, food banks, my scooter, and other activities are beneficial. So much more we could do. Maybe our wetland will be resurrected? Hope springs eternal. Nice discussion. Thanks again. We need direction and togetherness.

Wonderful conversation a roller coaster really. around the 40min mark it gave me a wonderful insight into how an average person is feeling in the UK. You two are so warm and have great conversation chemistry. Thank you for another thoughtful vid 🙏👍

Who is buying all of the garbage designed to become obsolete? Who is demanding that the economists compute and report the annual depreciation of the garbage? Why hasn't accounting/finance been mandatory in the schools since Sputnik?

Two of my favourite people! ❤️❤️❤️

Re: the term "degrowth." I often teach that "we need to voluntarily downshift our overall energy use."

As the world continues to over-populate while our natural resources deplete, the oligarchs and plutocrats of the world are "circling the wagons" around their own privilege. The process, the coagulation of wealth and power has become so concentrated that it is hard to imagine a mechanism or a movement to turn that tide. The egregious inequities of today are only going to get worse.

@adambazso9207

5 ай бұрын

That's a realistic picture, I fear. And societies in almost every country are so deeply divided, of course also and foremost due to the "work" of the ruling few. They don't want the plebs to be able to unite for any goal whatsoever. These oligarchs and cleptocratic members of the political mafia destroy the very foundations of our civilization for a few bucks more. They don't care at all for the wellbeing of others or of the natural world. You could say that they are evil and have a dark soul. Disgusting and truly inhuman.

Mother Nature is behind the car readying to throw us off the cliff ❤ Just enjoy what’s left of the ride x

@3g0st

7 ай бұрын

Nah I'm too neurotic, I am going to do activism as well 😆 But your comment made me almost spit out my drink lol

Get a bit frustrated when people talk about the materials and complexity of "green" generation solutions as some kind of obstacle. All these critics either have never been around any petroleum industries, or are paid for by petroleum industries. Sure it takes new materials, but a lot less of them. Way less. Millions of tones less per month. We use millions of tones of petroleum every day, because any fuel solution needs to be constantly fed. Most "green" generation only takes a bit of materials to build (relatively), and then need almost nothing for the next 20+ years. People forget petroleum needs wells, pipelines, storage, refineries (crazy complex and full of all kinds of rare materials), transportation (trucks, trains, ships), more storage, distribution centers, more storage, retail location or retail distribution. That is a lot of stuff, way more stuff than we would spend on any mix of "green" generation solutions. And the actual fuel power plants themselves. AND THEN it also takes all that physical fuel. Sorry nope, the materials needed for "green" generation is a tiny fraction of the materials needed for fuel based generation. Then there is the social consequences of the supply chain. Yep, old cobalt lithium and copper etc. supply chains have some terrible historic social consequences. BUT SO DOES THE PETROLEUM SUPPLY CHAIN! The fact we need news supply chains for the new green generation solutions IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER IF WE ALL JUST GOT BEHIND IT AND SOCIALLY DEMANDED BETTER OF THE NEW VENDORS. We do not have much opportunity to change the social consequences of the global petroleum supply chain, but we can demand better of the new materials supply chains we are building for green generation tech. Has no one figured out that one of the reasons the global wealth and transportation induatries are so against "green" generation (and Electrifed transportation) is because soon into the transition we will already start seeing an economic retraction (simplification, degrowth) just because so much less of everything will be required for the energy industry. The green generation and electrified transportation and some other electrified industry will in itself cause a degrowth reduction of demand globally for all types of extraction and processing, doubling up on the emissions savings reductions. Lets see through the obstruction and get this done already!

@5353Jumper

7 ай бұрын

Oh yeah and forgot...the more green generation and electrified transportation and electrified industry we have - the greener it gets to build new green projects. The solution improves itself, so whatever numbers it is running today for emissions and such to build "green" solutions - it will take LESS to build more of those in the future. The numbers keep getting better.

GREAT

2:20 --> Degrowth of GDP, for the multinational Corporations, for the Millionaires and Billionaires, not for the poor People...!

Basically, the more things change, the more they stay the same

Totally agree.

A lot of the 2nd level provbems/hurdles addressed here are taken care of by the alternative system in China . The biophysics of energy production, including caloric, remains unsolved.

The difference is, oil burns on demand, solar produces when the sun is up. The idea that we should run processes and plant only while the sun shines and winds blow is so forign to capital owners, they act like its the end of the world. Culturally it is very interesting as it might put a stop to this whole fad of pushing people to breaking point in the name of 'efficiency'.

@globalwarming382

7 ай бұрын

Battery storage in improving exponential.

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

Have you ever heard of these new things called "batteries"?

@thurstonhowellthetwelf3220

7 ай бұрын

​@globalwarming382 what kind of energy densities are they achieving?

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

7 ай бұрын

1200 gigatons of pressurized methane in the world's largest ocean shelf is "efficient"

@gregorymalchuk272

7 ай бұрын

Steel smelters, aluminum smelters, mines, power stations, chemcial plants, furnaces, and boilers don't operate any differently under central planning. Whether its capitalism or central planning, most large plant equipment needs reliable supply of energy and material flows.

Have you had Guy Mcpherson on yet? Although he was attacked by everyone years ago, his interpretation of the scientific literature on climate change is closer to what is unfolding before our eyes.

Ok. I have to weigh in on this country debt bs. We no longer have backup to a country currency. Money in IOU notes created by government out of nothing. So, a country's "debt" is the amount of it's currency that is in circulation. Personal debt is based on the transfer of physical goods. And services. One must make good on debt through selling goods or services. A country's debt is pseudo debt. Not real.

If 25% to 50% of people just stopped paying there creditors like credit cards a collapse would happen quicker than anything else

Last time I looked into this, it takes less energy to manufacture a solar panel than it takes to extract and refine the oil equivilant of the energy it produces over 5 years.

@aliendroneservices6621

7 ай бұрын

Yet, none of the world's 1 million factories runs off-grid on its own solar power.

@davidbarry6900

7 ай бұрын

For larger installations, there is a significant up-front capital cost of financing projects (at higher interest rates), and uncertainty in regulatory approval when a lot of people in the vicinity don't want it near THEM (same as for any other energy project). Now add in the cost of battery storage to allow matching of supply and demand (e.g. winter vs summer), and transmission systems to take solar power from where there is cheap space to where there are a lot of people. Then, adjust your calculations way down if using the solar panels somewhere where sunshine is weak (northern latitudes or cloudy locations). Finally, figure out the cost of recycling all of this stuff after 20 years. That is, there are a lot of hidden costs. Another important point is that solar panels are not (currently) possible to construct using solar power (at the mining, refining, or silicon smelting phases). That is, in very sunny locations where solar power makes sense to install (on cheap land near to people who can use the power), we should totally use them - but we are still going to need SOME OTHER solution for when the fossil fuel runs out. Solar panels don't last forever.

@aliendroneservices6621

7 ай бұрын

@@davidbarry6900 "...but we are still going to need SOME OTHER solution *_for when the fossil fuel runs out."_* Perhaps some 50k years from now. Until then, infinitely-expensive (on a sustained basis) solar infrastructure can still be installed and maintained as a proxy for the fossil-fuels used to create it.

@davidbarry6900

7 ай бұрын

@@aliendroneservices6621 Previous estimates that I have heard are that known reserves of oil (including tarsands) will run out in 20 years (at current rates of use) and coal in 200 or so years. Petrochemicals can still be produced from coal, albeit with an overall loss of energy, so it will still be possible to run SOME parts of an oil economy for a while, but I have not heard a 50k year estimate before.

@aliendroneservices6621

7 ай бұрын

@@davidbarry6900 *_Reserves_* is an economics term. Nothing to do with geology. 50k years' worth comes from the 2.1 quadrillion barrels shale-oil estimate from Duncan & Swanson, 1965.

It has been said that, “Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come.” Currently democracy is at risk in the US. After we Dems win the election in 2024, what we need a is plan to *reinvent democracy*. My proposed plan can mostly be implemented with just laws. It is-> 1] Triple the size of the House. This dilutes the Electoral College votes from Senators.** It also makes the next idea work better. 2] Require that all House districts have a minimum of 6 Reps. and a max. of 8.*** Tiny states would have just 1 district. Voters can split their 1 vote between as many candidates as they want by simply voting for more than 1. The fractional votes are machine counted and added. The 6 plus candidates who got the most votes are elected. This makes gerrymandering impossible. It also lets minor parties win seats in the House. . . . Illinois had a system where districts had 3 Reps. for many years. But, 3 is not enough. 3] Expand the size of the USSC to 13 Justices. Then change the Senate rules to return to needing a ⅔ or even ¾ vote in the Senate to confirm Justices. This is intended to make it almost impossible for an extreme Justice to be confirmed. Some way needs to be found to seat Justices when one party refuses to vote for anyone. Maybe let a seat remain vacant and then seat 1 of each party with the same ¾ vote.**** 4] Find a way to get money out of campaigns. Ideally, fund all elections at all gov. levels with Federal money, because the US Gov. can deficit spend much easier than states and cities. Minor parties need contributions until they meet some easy to reach threshold, and then they get full money.***** If this is not possible, impose a 99.9% tax (like a sales and service tax) on all expenditures during campaigns to support or attack a candidate or party unless they are made by a candidate or party. Also, require all campaign contributions to a party or candidate to be immediately disclosed and published with the amount & name of the giver. The intent pf all this is to give the voting power back to the voters. This is seen as an investment in massively reducing the ability of the rich and their corps to use money to get massive amounts public money given or funneled to them. It will pay for itself. 5] Corps are not people. The founders in almost every state banned them from making campaign contributions. Citizens United was wrongly decided, and it can be overturned. There was a case on the 14th Amendment in the 1880s that was reversed by someone just putting a cover sheet on it to that effect. Then the cover sheet was cited instead of the actual decision. The decision said that the 14th Amend. meant natural or human persons and not corporate "pseudo-persons" who had been made "persons" before 1580 only so they could sue and be sued in courts. . . . . . NOTES - ** . . . We could also give each state 1 more Senator. so that in every state 1 is up for election every 2 years. This needs an Amendment. This does add 50 more Senators, but we have tripled the size of the House for the Electoral College problem. What it does is to make every election for the Senate pretty much the same. *** .. . All the districts in a state must have x or x+1 Reps. Eg., 6 or 7, or 7 or 8, or all the same numbr. **** .. I'd also propose that in the 1st summer of each elected or reelected President's term, that he or she can move 1 SC Justice to an Appeals court and replace her/him on the USSC with the above system. The intent is to give every President at least 1 Justice, and to let the President remove the worst Justice. This moves the average toward the middle. This may need an Amendment. ***** , Something will also need to be done about attacks on political candidates being made on social media, like Facebook. Especially, lies on the internet.

@singingway

5 ай бұрын

Term limits term limits term limits.

@phelixtaylor4973

5 ай бұрын

Don't worry Trump will save us when he wins reelection and burns the constitution and becomes king. 1rst act will be renaming America "The United States of Trump"

where do I sign up? that's exactly what we need! thank you

@juskahusk2247

7 ай бұрын

Do you have leadership qualities and great interpersonal skills? Do you have ambition and a can-do attitude? Do you work well under pressure? Super. Take this Revolutionary Placard™ and wave it around in Tienanmen Square. Good luck!

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

There are several revolutionary parties active in the UK. including SWP, CPGB, etc. Revolutionary politics is the only serious politics. If you are in London we could meet.

Interesting. Is there the potential for a premise that establishes good environmental practices that sounds less Marxist in its general supporting arguments? Green initiatives can be fruitful ideas, but applications seem to be a challenge. Also, why is nuclear never injected into the conversion as an option? Seems like it might be decent bridge for the left and the right.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

7 ай бұрын

so you've never mined uranium.

Early.

Lost interest when the Little Red Book of Chairman Mao prompted the Beatles to compose Revolution song, "we all wanna save the world..", we classify the rules we choose to make automatically, and unique to our personalized expectations, so..

@ ~28 mins...'growth'/GDP is just the metric for capitalist expansion, as he says. What drives expansion is the requirement for an annual % profit on capital for investors who don't do the actual work, and annual % interest to banks or private equity funds on debt/loan/investment . Those %s are mainly reinvested as capital, so compounding each year - so it's expedential growth. Expendential exploitation of labour and the environment. The profits/returns to capital expand each year and we - workers, indebted nations - have to find/create that money. That's what he means by countries ''servicing' debt - the interest. As long as the banks/IMF/PR funds get the interest on the debt as a permanent revenue stream, they don't mind 'restructuring' Greece or whoever's debt, say by increasing the term by a decade or three. Debt is eating tomorrow's lunch today, except in this capitalist system the rich gobble up all OUR tomorrow's lunches.

The nations of the world, except for the nations on the EZ and maybe EU plus a few others now use their own fiat currencies. This means they are not financially constrained. Their spending is only constrained by possible inflation. If the alternative is the planet heating to a 4 deg. C level, then inflation or price controls seem like the better choice. This is because with tipping point being tipped between 1.5 & 2 deg.C and so forcing the temps eventually to 4 deg.C; it is crtain that civilization will collapse and 7 billion or more people will die early deaths to reduce the population to under 1 billion. This will likely happen before 2100 if we don't act to stop it NOW. . . . So, all that debt can be paid by the many nations creating the currency to pay it. The resulting problems are better than watching civilization collapse. All these problems can be dealt with by using deficit spending and not selling bonds to cover it. . . . The debt can not be paid down or paid off. Trying to do so will cause a recession and then GREATEST DEPRESSION ever.

Sea level rise will evaporate most of the 300 trillion in debt. BTC market Cap just over 1 trillion, btw. I hope we will learn how to overthrow the ruling class before 20 meters sea rise.

If these hypocrites had the courage of their gobby convictions they would long ago have stopped flying anywhere, owning a motor vehicle or taking fossil fuelled public transport. Turned off thei electric and gas supplies at home, shopping at supermarkets and wearing synthetic clothing for starters. Do they really want us to return to medieval times ?

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

Good god, what an utterly stupid and ignorant remark.

@saskwatch123

7 ай бұрын

We might get there anyways.... If I had to jump out of a plane I would prefer to know in advance and have a parachute ready instead of being pushed out the door at the last second.

Interesting that you said you have to push someone out of control and then drive a vehicle you don't know how to operate. I'm curious if you are aware that there's many forces at work here, but the being driving the vehicle is not the oppressive ruling cabal. That's the genuine generator and creator of the vessel, the energy, the compass, the ways, and all that wasn't done by cheating or manipulation. There's other forces waiting for people to think they are attacking the problem, so you do it for them with hands clean. Also a ruling monarch generates an energetic crown capable of keeping the collective aware of the energy and intentions. Whenever slavery infiltrates above, below, middle, they harvest pheromones and anoint themselves and then enslave the population. In ants, wasps, bees, termites, birds, brood parasitism cuckoo's, cowbirds, humans enslaving caregivers and ruling with devolution, stagnation in evolution with cyclical traumas that conflict with written history. So evolution and perception stops and cycles that people don't aknowledge as the problem until it's fixed keep looping.

Men love violence. look at our movies, video games, sport games, tv shows and internet all soaked in violence. its no accident its social conditioning. we are conditioned to except violence as a way to settle disputes. this happens everyday and we dont even notice it. ie. the current way we police society is through violence and we dont even know it. CC is going to get worse best thing to do is if you know or are the mum and dad of people in security. policing or military that its not ok to hurt people and its not ok to act violently against your own people because you have been ordered to act that way. men love violence it makes them feel powerful. we need better parenting and stronger moral values from parents to our children that it is not ok to be violent against people who are not criminals. it is not ok to let yourselves be used by really rich people to act violently against people who just want to live there lives in a fair and just world to prop up their society destroying business. the biggest problem is that the security, police, military, the parents and friends are so conditioned that they cant even see how they are being used by evil.

It's extremely annoying when a video takes a minute clip from somewhere in the middle and then sticks it at the beginning so you hear it twice. Can you quit that?

Please interview William Happer, or Richard Lindzen. They will calm your fears. There isn’t any crisis, just natural variability. The Roman and Medieval warm periods were much warmer than current. Grapes were grown in England for both these periods, but it’s not warm enough at the moment. USA state temperature records are mostly still in the 1930’s or earlier. Only 3 states have their highest temperature in the 2000’s.

@dalewolver8739

7 ай бұрын

That statement is complete b.s.

@tomhall7633

7 ай бұрын

Both observations (about temp records and prior warm periods) can be true and still the sixth mass extinction is upon us. If ones predisposition is to create a safe space in ones head in which to live, then cherries are always ripe for the picking.

@karlwheatley1244

7 ай бұрын

"The Roman and Medieval warm periods were much warmer than current" The RWP and MWP involved regional warming not globally synchronous warming, so the whole planet didn't get warmer all at once--which is what we have done to the Earth.

@radscorpion8

5 ай бұрын

dude you realize Happer and Lindzen are two scientists out of like ten thousand who disagree with their views? Why exactly do you trust the reasoning of two people but ignore the other ten thousand? And do you not think that the broader scientific community has not already heard and debunked their claims? Because they have. In fact if you look online, at a site called skeptical science, they debunk all those arguments as a service to the public by climate scientists.

James = 4 embedded interacting systems all in wobble mode at the same time. they are; ecosphere, economy, culture, psyche.

Driverless Car 🚘 we were we still are - future utopia song ❤ cute couple btw

Zoom out a little more and we have a spiritual crisis. Who determines right from wrong should be as established as gravity.

I don't think James fully understands the root causes of the human predicament, particularly the role of the human nature and fundamental behavior drivers that stem from biology. There is a type of flawed thinking that we have seen over and over throughout the human history - that in order to improve things for people we need to remove those who run things currently and replace them with "us" who, presumably, truly understand the issues and how to solve them, and will make things right. This is both naive and extremely dangerous. It also seems to me that he makes the typical attribution error by assigning the responsibility to the so called rulling class, whereas in reality, as Rachel brilliantly pointed out, it's a complex self driving car and everybody is a passenger.

And you sponsored by.... whom?

@huffmanaviation7341

2 ай бұрын

The Club of Rome and the Earth4All initiative, no doubt.

enjoyed the climate chat, but James naive political views are why he is significantly responsible for the election of Boris Johnson and the mess we are now in.

Argh this is so painful. It's like almost worse listening to conversations like this where youre sort of flirting with the possibility of actually grasping the reality we're in than listening to those out and out denier types. The most authentic political activism and discourse i ever saw was the adolescent scrawl of "fuck the system" on the toilet walls of a high school. The rest is waffle. Let's learn to be really quiet and still.

@singingway

5 ай бұрын

Your definition of discourse and your bar for activism is apparently extremely low. But if you have The Silver Branch knowledge then by all means share your wisdom.

@madameblatvatsky

5 ай бұрын

@@singingway your definition of definition is off

@radscorpion8

5 ай бұрын

@@madameblatvatsky whats you solution good sir and or lady. Don't be shy come on come on!!!!

@madameblatvatsky

5 ай бұрын

@@radscorpion8 just stop everything. Stop believing there is anything good for life in the system of industrial technology, stop believing electoral politics has any value, stop believing your kids need to go to school and do exams and so on. Stop going to work, stop having ambitions for material excess and so on. This applies mostly to the wealthy class of people.

Uhm, the environment is more important than society. The civilization we have now is biased in favor of corporate collectives, against individuals. Think of a better word for equality, instead of socialism. Socialism implies you want stronger collectives, and weaker individuals. In fact, we need to give individuals the power to destroy businesses they don't like. Delicense an oil major.

@MIZZMIXALOT

7 ай бұрын

What is the premises for giving individuals the power to destroy businesses they don't like? If you're vegan, you can ruine the local cattle or sheep farm because you don't like it? Or if you think solar is better than hydro electric, go ahead shut down the dam?

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

Nonsense. You are inventing a meaning of your own and then objecting to it.

@user-tk3rc7lq3s

7 ай бұрын

@@garethmartin6522 I am not objecting to reducing inequality. What I am objecting to is trying to destroy corporate oil collectives by forming more collectives.

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

@@user-tk3rc7lq3s Oil corporations are not "collectives". A collective is non-hierarchical and voluntary, while a corporation is centralised, hierarchical and authoritarian. Collectives are good; authoritarian hierarchies are bad.

@user-tk3rc7lq3s

7 ай бұрын

@@garethmartin6522 Why use received wisdom from before oil was discovered? Capitalism and collectivism are two sides of the same Orwellian coin. The good non-hierarchical voluntary collective you are wishing for is democracy. Simply admit what we have now is a cartoon character contest, and demand real democracy in the form of the power to vote an oil major out of existence.

This one loves to repeat old ideas as if they're the result of her extraordinary intellect, and pretend she's a lefty while (likely unwittingly) supporting the establishment.

What a fool! Knowing a little - doesn't make you an expert! What an authoritarian! His way is best, he is here to help! God help us!

@Aktentasche1

Ай бұрын

Oh no someone formulates something like an idea about what could be done... DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO lmao

You lost me at climate hell ... its a cult. bye.

@TennesseeJed

7 ай бұрын

Yeah! All those scientists are in the pocket of the illuminati and can keep a secret better than the CIA. Amazing how these cults keep pumping out the propaganda!

@garethmartin6522

7 ай бұрын

Read a book you ignorant fool.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

7 ай бұрын

dang another customer walks out without buying! The ecological crisis just can't properly be marketed can it! Perhaps shopping at the local Mall is a better way to find the truth of reality.