Today it happened, i have been hardstuck at 120-130m for like 2 years. I have been doing this drill for the last 4 sessions (not doing any rounds or "real throws" inbetween). Most of the time it felt useless, shanking most of the throws for the first 30 minutes of the sessionn & throwing max 50m. Today was the fourth sesssion doing this drill, as usual the throws were not great at the start, but after about 30minutes i felt like the discs were going about were i was aiming. So i felt like trying one "real" shot for fun and then it happened, i think i actually got into the power pocket for the first time playing disc golf for about 5 years. The disc came out like a bullet. So guys if you struggle with this one, stick with it.

@SpeedZicou

8 ай бұрын

P.S thank you mr Dan Beto

@dgspindoctor

8 ай бұрын

Beto is the DRILL!

Super simple, super practical. Best instructional teacher on the KZread.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

I am so grateful that I am learning proper form while you are on this earth!! You’re going to ensure that this old man can enjoy this game for as long as possible. Thank you thank you!

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! Maybe there is a meaning to my existence afterall.

Thank you for the shout out! Great video, I love your content!

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Beto 2.0. It's probably the best drill out there, and it opened whole new levels for my teaching. Please make some more of videos!

I appreciate how you make the complex seem so simple!

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! There really is no need to make it look difficult, and I don't need to look like I have some unreachable, novel wisdom. My aim is to make myself useless.

@ContentsMayDiffer

Жыл бұрын

@@dgspindoctor I have to chime in and say that I really appreciate the sophisticated simplicity of your teaching. The whole capital c Coach-culture just makes me sad. Some of them actually remind me of 90's martial arts teachers, and that is not a compliment.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

@@ContentsMayDiffer Haha, I like the description. But KZread encourages this kind of behaviour. Video makers need to stand out, sell the snake oil and package the same shit in shiny wrappers. I understand because it is their business for many of us. I wouldn't mind making this my living, but I will not compromise to make it look like I'm unique and have the secret move to sell.

I've been working on form for 5+ years, and couldn't figure out how to possibly keep my arm from dragging. Because "don't use your arm" was so consistent in every form thread, I assumed my body positioning, hips, center of gravity (etc) _must_ be the culprit. Nope. One bicep curl, my body took over and the disc just exploded out. Like WTF just happened and why is the disc going so far and so flat and so... THANK YOU for this video / series. Would be great if you had a video that focused specifically on the timing of initiating the bend, b/c seems if your timing is slightly off (early or late) you don't get nearly the same effect.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Nice work bro!

An easier way to achieve the same is to simply coil the wrist around the disc when you're getting ready to throw. Easily verifiable and reproducible, and you'll automatically get the elbow up and out simply because it's *really* uncomfortable to get the disc flat with a coiled wrist without raising the elbow.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

This is absolutely true!

Learned this late in the game 2022 end of summer when looking at that Dan beto drill video. Some observations: 1) Star at low power or you will injure your elbow and/or shoulder (especially true if your shoulder feel stiff in the 90 degree lifted position). I hurted myself and had to take a break due to this (I'm quite old for this game, focused on stretching the shoulders for better mobility and feel good again) 2) keep your shoulder down, keep traps relaxed 3) when adding more power, arm tends to dip lower => make sure to film and verify technique is still intact. Thanks and cheers!

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on!

This video did it for me. I watched the video practiced with a flight towel and played the best round with the confidence I can shape the shot and throw it where I want it to go. I have played for a little over a year and have been searching to understand the how to throw a disc like the pros. Today I felt like i had control of the disc, and could throw a disc the way it was supposed to fly. For the first time I threw a resistor backhand and it flew flat for 200 feat and Hyzered at the end of the flight. Prior to watching this video that same disc immediately went left and I only used it for flex forehand shots. Amazing!!! For the first time i knew I had snap. The funny thing is I was only throwing at 85% where I was normally throwing as hard as I can to get the same distance. The spin doctor videos explain the process of throwing in a way that is logical in a format that is easy to understand. I highly recommend this video and other content created.

I can't remember if it was actually one of your earlier videos or maybe Ulibarri's videos, where it was instructed to keep your elbow out and bring the disc closer to your right chest. As I have always been bringing the disc incorrectly closer to my left chest, I still remember the first time when I tried it the correct way. Whoa! What a difference! By far the single most useful tip I have had in all these years of playing disc golf. Thank you for keeping it simple and focusing on must-haves. Cheers!

This is a great series. Thanks for these videos.

This is precisely what I've noticed I haven't been doing well. Excellent information on your channel!

Love this guy!

So helpful!

Goog vid. Allways liked your content. Simple tips, good explanations. understandble. Now subscribed your channel.👍

great series, Glad I stumbled across this!

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

the baseball bat analogy made it click instantly in my mind

@dgspindoctor

6 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Thank you Jaani. It is very god video

Great video great shirt

I haven't looked at the new drill by Dan Beto I should probably do that but I still think his original from 2008 has value and I agree its 100% necessary to exaggerate positions to gain the feedback that will build the experience and 'unveil' the middle ground that is right for each player. I don't usually pay attention to getting my elbow "out" specifically beyond the "leading with the elbow" philosophy but by wide back takes care of that on its own. I'll definately recommend your video for powerpocket stuff becuase just like you I see a lot of players leaving their arm behind.

How many times I’ve told John, hopefully he listens to you 😂

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

John seemed to take it seriously this time 😀

i use that ENVY you got in your hands in Electron for my deeper C2 putts!

Every time I remember to exaggerate keeping my elbow out when I'm practicing, I griplock a throw that might as well be 90 degrees from where I'm aiming lol. But eventually I start throwing straight again and feel like I have much more spin on the disc.

Ty. Kinda felt my arm was holding me back, but stayed focused on all the other stuff, for the day this piece of the puzzle came along and fit in. Kind of a chicken/egg thing I guess. Working with the pole drill in back yard arm feels good, and disc flew well. Keep U posted as I work on this.

@datrucksdavea2080

Жыл бұрын

Two take away so far after trying it on the course, much more spin and my arms and shoulders are not as sore or tired?. This definitely increases your pitch count. That's a baseball reference. No major gain in distance yet, but as my timing, swing plane and confidence of where the disc will go sync's up with the elbow out ECT. I'll have to retool and get some more overstable discs. Lol Thanks again! Great ideas. Enjoy your videos.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Great! The arm speed will come eventually, trust the process!

I love that you dont buy into all the new hype people try to use to describe throwing with everything else but the throwing arm, ie. throwing with the off arm, etc.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

I am too experienced for that, but I got to admit, they got me for a while. Then I experimented and learned. Like everyone should.

This is where I need to start. If I'm not having scapular protraction, there will be no way to whip.

Thank you for these awesome videos, they've been a game changer for me :) Do you have a video or some thoughts on "spinning out" or over rotating the shoulders as the disc is leaving the power pocket? That's something I've struggled with up until a few months ago. I was working on the dan Beto and constantly releasing late, until I watched the deep pocket videos from the Overthrow channel (releasing at 10 o'clock position. I'd love to hear your thoughts on setting the shoulders to ensure the disc is releasing in the correct position. The baseball visualization you mentioned in this video was very helpful in my mental approach!

@dgspindoctor

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, I think I talk about it quite often, and most of the time it comes down to your head turning to the target too early.

@mesh.619

7 ай бұрын

Got it, really appreciate the feedback! I just rewatched your video on the head/domino effect, definitely a good cue to keep in mind during my form work :)

I just recently watched this video and the segment where you showed the stuck and rounding position looked exactly like my "power pocket" position. I focused on lifting up my elbow and pushing it out and it instantly helped me be much better. 1 thing I noticed is that between this video and the grip video I am unsure how hard to be holding on to the disc to create snap and spin when the disc ejects out of my hand. I tend to want to help the disc out of my hand by letting go. I then get frustrated with letting it go and I start gripping really hard and then I get to the griplock style throw. Any help on what the grip should feel like at ejection would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the great work.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

You should not let go. The disc rips out if you have the right intention and the grip is correct.

8:00 I did an abbreviated / jerky throw without follow through recently when there was a tree in my way and yep, it shot pain through my joints. Would not recommend 😅

Great video, Janni. Can you clarify the arm motion though? Can it be thought of, after completing your reach back and fully planting to the front foot, just feeling like you swing the upper arm, and let the lower arm/wrist/hand, go along for the ride?

@dgspindoctor

10 ай бұрын

Yes you can! But also, the body needs to get forward and against the brace. Then swing the elbow forward.

thx alot for speaking english 👍

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

I had so many requests I just had to.

Do you have any tips for me to prevent me from "shrugging" with the front shoulder? Or the lawn mower motion with the scalpula as you called it. Seems like my body doesn't want to listen when i try to avoid it🤷🏻‍♂️ Think I lose a lot of distance here. I max out at about 100 m.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

This exact movement would be perfect for shrugging, yes. Just remember to keep shoulders down and relaxed and only do the bicep curl. No pulling, just curling. Should do the trick.

Do you have any tips or drills on making sure you're throwing out from the chest in that deep power pocket position and getting a good ~10 o'clock release, and not pulling the elbow across and getting a late 12 o'clock release?

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

I am working on them, but in the meanwhile you should check out the Postman drill found on my One-on-One series

Hey Jaani a couple quick questions about the beto drill. 1. When doing the drill are you actively curling the wrist and doing the wrist curl? 2. Is it okay to also practice the drill on one leg? Thanks love the video's keep helping is newbs learn to throw better.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and yes! In drilling something, anything, I would teach the muscles slowly and consciously. After the movement is familiar enough, you guide the muscles less and less and it all blends into one, fluid motion. And yes, it's good to do it on one leg, or like the rear leg is only lightly supporting you from falling.

@lpsmay4990

Жыл бұрын

@@dgspindoctor Thanks Jaani! 😊

Vihdoin tuli siihenkin vastaus, missä mulla on vika! Kiitos! oot varmasti tätä ennekin yrittänyt kertoa, mutta nyt se tuli itelle paremmin selväks. Mistä on mahdollista päästä sun valmennukseen?

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Kiva kuulla, että video oli avuksi! Jos ja kun palaan joskus Suomeen, niin Helsingissä mä valmennan.

Question: When the "bat follows", is there a conscious effort to "swing" the bat forward as part of the motion, or are you letting it just kinda swing out on its own?

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Excellent question! I would describe the motion as "gently guiding" the motion. It's a feeling that "okay the disc wants to go there, I will go with it, but also not let it slip too early." Everything happens so fast from the pocket to out, that you can't really control it consciously.

@david6975

Жыл бұрын

@@dgspindoctor Awesome, thanks for the quick reply! That was the feeling i had as well, to "guide" it a bit with the forearm. Whenever I leave it 100% loose it feels less in control, so thank you for confirming. This must be why it's good to start slow, to avoid hurting the forearm/elbow while getting the technique down!

Question I’ve been struggling with on this. When I don’t move my body or shoulders forward in rotation and I move my arm through across my chest and slap my back of my hand towards the target I always snap my elbow. I’ve been having pain with it. How do I prevent snapping the elbow? When I create the snap my arm eventually straightens and pulls me around. During the straightening it gets the pressure of the force you used for throwing.

@dgspindoctor

4 ай бұрын

You should LET the body move forward and rotate, which happens if your brace pushes to the ground and the rear leg is weightless. The follow through eases the impact of the "elbow snap" because you don't stop the move, you let it continue.

@fishblade2

4 ай бұрын

How much should I let it move? I am currently struggling bad with over rotation to the point I have to overdo it in the other direction to prevent so much of it. How do I allow the body to turn at the appropriate amount to protect the elbow without firing the hips forward?@@dgspindoctor

@dgspindoctor

4 ай бұрын

By bracing correctly. There are a few videos on it.

This reminds me of Niklas Antilla’s form

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

He is buttery smooth. But nearly all great players seem to do this one way or another.

One thing I always notice almost all pro's teach is that weird lower angle for your elbow and they convince you that this is the angle they throw. But they dont! They just load up their hand in that position and still throw in perfect horizontal line from their shoulder. It is so misleading.

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

I don't quite understand what you are referring to, but I think it is a thing of feel vs. real. In the throw there are many, many things you have to feel what you think you do, but on the video it looks different. And some things you even cannot see on a video.

I keep hitting myself with the disc am i rounding

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

All the symptoms point there.

@Rydal1

Жыл бұрын

@@dgspindoctor Disc is almost at my neck flat almost not sure why is it grip or am i doing something else wrong

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, I haven't see you throw.

everyone teaches the power pocket is under the left peck but youre saying we should strive to get to the right peck for our throws?

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

No, you are wrong. Almost everyone teaches the front pec. And it doesn't even matter, because there is so much rotation and speed, the disc hardly ever comes to that tight of a tuck anyway. But if you never even try to get it tight, you'll never get even close.

I can’t believe I’m watching this 😂😂😂

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

This is your arm. This is your baseball bat. Aha moment.

Super simple, but i can't trow not perfekt....

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Perfection does not exist. Your personal best does. Go for that.

Why is it everyone who teaches disc golf always shows how to not do it first vs just how to and forget the wrong way

@dgspindoctor

Жыл бұрын

Probably because there is still so much bad habits and wrong beliefs, that you first have adress them before moving on.

Top notch stuff. Much grass