The Great and the Bad of the Beatles
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It’s a Creedence Clearwater Revival. Bill and John Fogerty on John’s goal of making songs that sound good in a car, when John sang on The Ed Sullivan Show, the subversive messages in John’s songs, John gives Bill his signature flannel shirt Fortunate Son, the working class appeal of certain music then and now, the incredible longevity of Mick Jagger, the leap from popular band to legendary band, the Woodstock that broke bad, John’s love of the Grateful Dead, and much, much more.
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Their musical output was mind-blowing, in 7 years they redefined what popular music was and could be. Amazing.
Bill loves to hear himself talk
@DJ-bj8ku
Ай бұрын
And that’s bad for the rest of us.
@briandelion49
Ай бұрын
hear himself talk and play professor. If his guest says something that he agrees with he say "that's right," as if they just passed the quiz. if they disagree he makes sure to make some highly opinionated comment to assure them they are wrong.
@randb4865
Ай бұрын
Maher. Once again proving his absolute cluelessness.
@blaineward9851
Ай бұрын
Your so right
@lurx2024
Ай бұрын
He's actually the president of his own fan club.
Bill Maher ENLIGHTENING John Forgerty about music and lyrics. On the next chapter, he'll enlight Albert Einstein about relatevistic physics.
@MothGirl007
Ай бұрын
He's such a moron.
@MP-MZA
Ай бұрын
The ducks shooting the shotgun
@JoeyMayo
Ай бұрын
He'll have Michaelangelo on and give him some pointers on how to paint.
@RazzleDazz72
Ай бұрын
“I don’t have much Hendrix in my collection. I get that he’s a great guitarist, but are they actually good songs?”. - Bill Maher, idiot
@TheGlass50
Ай бұрын
I must be a normal person because I think about something and then I go to the comments and everybody is like minded. Bill, why are you trying to tell John Fogerty about music and the music business? I can’t believe he was telling John Fogerty about the meaning of a song.
sure the lyrics are simple but combined with the music the lyrics of Hello Goodbye are designed to provoke a feeling that means something. A lot of it has to do with The Beatles' sense of humor.
@johnorgan3
Ай бұрын
it's all about the album cover
what Bill doesn't understand, the lyrics of "hello goodbye" are amaziing....simple but amazing
@cactaceous
Ай бұрын
Not really. It’s one of The Beatles’ worst songs and one of many post Revolver McCartney corny and schmaltzy songs.
@bbsoni4814
Ай бұрын
@@cactaceous well it's one of my favorite, one of many Beatles's fan favorite, one of the most famous Beatles songs and one of Mccartney's favorite, so it must be ok plus he plays it live....so i guess it is just your opinion....
@cactaceous
Ай бұрын
@@bbsoni4814 It is. I don’t have an overload of estrogen cursing through my veins enough to like it. It’s a song grandmothers and teenyboppers of the era liked. That’s the demographic.
@bbsoni4814
Ай бұрын
@@cactaceous and adults too, you'd be surprised...i would even go as far as saying it's a killer song
@cactaceous
Ай бұрын
@@bbsoni4814 You’ve gone so far now you are lost
Listen to nowhere man. Listen to the words. Then listen to the music. Then, look at the top 40 at that time. That says it all. I remember when that single came out. Again these guys who were just in their early 20s did one fantastic job with just that song!
Bill is missing the context of when and why Hello/Goodbye was written. The Beatles had released Sgt Pepper in Jun 1967 and had all grown mustaches. They were no longer the four mop tops singing She Loves You. They had, in fact, created a new persona and a lot of fans were dismayed and didn't understand. Some wrote them off as "weird" and asked why didn't they stay the same as they were. They got fan letters saying you guys changed. Paul McCartney wrote the next Beatles single as a song of duality. Yes/No, Hello/Goodbye... "I don't know why you say Goodbye , I say Hello". Watch the video for Hello/Goodbye and see the Beatles waving circa 1963 in their Pierre Cardin collarless jackets reflecting that "We are still the Beatles... but we've changed".
CCR is the most underrated band on the Planet.
@glenndespres5317
Ай бұрын
I had to research that statement because to me, CCR is or should be a top rated band and I know that many of my era agree. But, according to some criteria, the fact that they had so many hits that reached #2 but not #1 and that other bands ‘overshadowed’ them, does support the claim. It just sounds ludicrous to me to hear anyone call them underrated. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t love their music!
@pkoven
Ай бұрын
the word underrated is overrated.
@glenndespres5317
Ай бұрын
@@pkoven I could have saved myself so many words. 😂 your comment is GOLD! And did you know 97.4% of all statistics are made up numbers?
@pkoven
Ай бұрын
@@glenndespres5317 but agreed that they were a fantastic band, one, of the top 10 IMHO from the '60's, and one of the pillars of swamp rock. all the best to you
@jaelge
Ай бұрын
@@pkoven: I have to agree. I am sick to death of hearing terms like ¨underrated¨ and ¨iconic¨ etc. I refuse to ever use them.
Just like Bill to stress the things he doesn't like instead of what he likes., must be the geezer in him.
@leepassmore7032
Ай бұрын
Get off Bill's lawn.
@chucknchar
Ай бұрын
@@leepassmore7032 think he has a gardener?
@buckchile614
Ай бұрын
Pessimism v. optimism. It's a thing
Green river is one of the best song and music video on KZread the one with the lyrics and +81 million views Its timeless
I am same age and lifestyle as Bill. I was never into early beatles--- Till I heard a cover band do some of the early rock and roll live. Note for note. It was a whole different experience then listening to an LP. When you hear it live, you feel the vibe and realize how tight they were.
@camalexander8170
Ай бұрын
When you watch a guitar tutorial on when I saw her standing there, George’s part, and realize he’s maybe 19 when he came up with that. It’s astonishing, let alone hoe tight they are at 22,21 years old
@johnb2422
Ай бұрын
Hello Goodbye is middle Beatles
This podcast needs to be renamed the Sounding Board since that’s pretty much what the guests serve as for Bill
On one Halloween the production crew of around 90 were screwing around with lighting setup and I was so pissed cos I wanted to get an early wrap so I can take my kids trick or treating I found a dark corner deep in the stage to blow off steam. 3mins later I felt a person standing next to me..also watching the crew. It was Steve PERRY! I freaking couldnt believe it was just him and me in this isolated part of the stage. I talked about the possibilty Journey reunion( pre R&R Hall of Fame) and how much I loved his mad vocal skills. But I clearly remembered telling Steve Perry how much I also loved Freddie Mercury and John Fogerty. Steve lit up!! He said John is fabolous songwriter and tune finder! He admired how prolific and consistent John's ourput was. His words!! I'm so happy to see John Fogerty here..living legend for sure
Bill, greatest musical scholar in the universe. Uhhh never heard Mystery train and YOU call yourself an Elvis fan.
@maximuskhan2100
Ай бұрын
Not an Elvis fan but he has a couple of great songs and this is one of them.
I do like Bill Maher … I’m not even disagreeing with what he has to say here… But why is he telling John Fogerty about music ? 🤔🤷♂️
@chalkandcheese1868
Ай бұрын
It's called having a conversation
@AABB-bm9kk
Ай бұрын
@@chalkandcheese1868 Conversation would be fine. But the way it is edited we only get Bill “schooling” Fogerty on the Beatles :) ✌️
I can't believe John Fogerty made it to 110 without a single grey hair.
@12babyapes59
Ай бұрын
Well his mind is still sharp, yes he looks 80.
@DJ-bj8ku
Ай бұрын
😂 He and Ringo look ridiculous but whatever.
@steveconn
Ай бұрын
Born in 1945
@brawl2063
Ай бұрын
@johnanthony9923 There is such a thing as hair dye
@Terrapinstation20
Ай бұрын
😂😂
The Beatles Get Back period owes alot to Creedence's roots rock of 1968-9.
@chalkandcheese1868
Ай бұрын
Err not really
@antondaydream
Ай бұрын
I think that the creedence's roots rock owes alot to the same music the beatles get back period does.
@steveconn
Ай бұрын
@@antondaydream The Beatles were following the trend that Creedence popularized, more 50s sounding records like Bad Moon Rising and Born on The Bayou.
@pedrofraga4366
Ай бұрын
Wouldn't The Band be a more direct influence in this period? Especially on George Harrison. “Some of The Band’s rhythms would find themselves in The Beatles future records as author Simon Lang noted on his book The Music of George Harrison: While My Guitar Gently Weeps, “Numerous elements of Music from Big Pink either showed a Beatles influence or found echoes in The Beatles’ and Harrison’s music: “In a Station” featured distended slide guitar and “Tears of Rage” had the Leslie-toned guitars which immediately appeared on Abbey Road.”
@cactaceous
Ай бұрын
@@pedrofraga4366 Yes, it was The Band’s Music From Big Pink and the bootlegs being spread of Dylan and The Band fucking around in Woodstock who influenced the entire roots rock scene. People are myopic and talk without knowing history.
With Northern Songs, the Beatles had a share of the publishing. About 40%. But they dud not have a controlling interest. However, it's hard to say they got screwed. They signed that deal when they had one #1 -- Please, Please Me. At that stage of their career, that was a pretty good deal. Nobody knew how big they would become.
Bill Maher; Musicologist and Beatles Expert.
@dcrelictunes1967
Ай бұрын
Another liberal who lives in delusion
Isn't "Hello, Goodbye" about getting along with others, despite differences you may have?
On this episode of "Club Listen to Bill do All the Talking" Bill accidentally allows John to squeeze in a sentence or two.
READ THE ROOM. Don't tell a musician some of the BEATLES are shit. REally? No other topics? Bad.
No doubt this guy is a genius in his own mind
“Put me in Bill, let John have a say-today.” 🎶
Hello goodbye is a great song and has amazing drumming. Listen to the little drum solos isolated.
@debjorgo
22 күн бұрын
Have you heard the instrument version? It really rocks beneath that colorful poppy singing.
@enricomenconi7015
22 күн бұрын
@@debjorgo If you are talking about the take 1, yes, and I totally agree with you. Do you know a drummer called David Montis? He has an amazing drum cover of that take. Ringo was amazing in the 60's. Very inventive and melodical.
@debjorgo
22 күн бұрын
@@enricomenconi7015 Right! Hello Hello Take 1. Great track! Don't know David.
Always been a fan of John Fogerty. But I’m getting a major Dr.Zauis vibe. But that hair is magnificent🙏🏻
CCR peaked at the perfect time when the Fab Four disbanded. With so many hit singles on the radio, CCR were huge and may have been the most popular band in 1970.
John and Tom!! Legends Ruby and CCR ❤❤ So historical Bay Area Rock!!
Genius is simplicity.
"Hello goodbye " is a Mc Cartney song, "Revolution" by Lennon is actually counter revolutionary.
The Beatles and CCR are both All Time Greats
I think Nike did that without Jacko's permission and he sent them a cease and desist or something like that. I could be wrong, that's just how I remember it.
No, Paul was against using Beatles songs in advertising. Period. He's OK with licensing them for film, however. I think George and Ringo are a little more lax on this point. George had licensed one of his own songs for a commercial and Ringo had appeared in commercials. Paul had advised MJ to get into music publishing. He did NOT advise him on what to do with the songs he purchased. MJ had already used his own songs in commercials, sometimes altering their lyrics to suit the product, so he was planning to monetize the Beatles songs regardless. Paul was quite upset about Revolution being used for Nike, but his main beef was that he didn't get a break on licensing fees to play his own songs live.
''Hello Goodbye'' was written as a result of the relationship Lennon and McCarthy had at the time. They weren't agreeing on much, '' you say yes, I say no. You say stop, and I say go go go''
@steveconn
Ай бұрын
Actually it came from a word game Paul played with a tech.
@ExcitedAnacondaSnake-hg8ec
Ай бұрын
Untrue. It was about an argument with his girlfriend
@erickjason9092
Ай бұрын
@@ExcitedAnacondaSnake-hg8ec Actually it tells the story bout how democrats come up with thier policies.
@jeper1969
Ай бұрын
@@erickjason9092actually it’s about MAGA .
@erickjason9092
Ай бұрын
@@jeper1969 do you see what you did!? You took my joke and changed it to the opposite. You must be a democrat, and you just proved my point. Hilarious!
How many top hits had maher again?
Heck yeah
I believe at the end Lennon was a but frustrated with McCartney’s child-like lyrics at times despite his incredible melodies. He himself wanted to «say something profound» but in that the melodies maybe were not at McCartney’s level always. That’s why together they worked so well and also explains the direction of their different solo careers.
Bill telling a guy who had dozens of hit records about music.
Get sir Paul McCartney to talk about CCR
He should be talking run through the jungle.
if that is what Bill takes from that song, I don't know what to tell him. There are metaphors and deeper meanings in that song than just what hits the ear.
Until the Help! album, I’m not sure if the Beatles (or at least Lennon/McCarthy) wrote a single song that wasn’t about girls/women/dating/ relationships and “love”. So that’s their first 2-3 years plus the covers. The Help! album had the title song which was Lennon talking about his stresses and need for help and McCartney had Yesterday. From then on (around 1965) the Beatles went to the different places lyrically but even the next album Rubber Soul went back to a lot of songs about women and relationships.
Yup! Don’t analyze, just immerse … and enjoy. ✌️
I use to go to their warehouse in Oakland and watch em practice in the 60’s
Funny that Fogerty mentions his anger over Nike appropriating "Revolution." Because I've always thought one of the most egregious misuses of a song was when Wrangler jeans played the "Fortunate Son" lyrics "some people are born, made to wave the flag, oooh that red white and blue," over images of an American flag. They conjured a patriotic sentiment, but stopped the song before the "that aint me."
TAKE THIS BROTHER MAY IT SERVE YOU WELL
William Empson thought very highly of "Hello, Goodbye."
Hey Bill, Not EVERY song has to be some heavy message. "Hello Goodbye" is a great song about two people saying the opposite to each other with great melodic music & production. John Fogerty understands this concept. Bill likes to constantly hear himself talk and pretend that he is an expert in everything. LOL
@peterchecksfield9958
Ай бұрын
It's a catchy Pop song. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let me just put my Bill Maher album on and compare it to one of the greatest groups that ever came together... oh billy....
Would not want to miss out on Bills random meaningless thoughts, Hello Goodbye and Hey Jude was the end of the Beatles for me. When they did it on Ed Sullivan my parents and my jaws dropped and then silence. still greatest band , but Rollings Stones kept putting out greatness and catching up.
Yay, let's end it this way, said only bill
People get to caught up n lyrics.sometimes the song can just be fun..
Bill is silly. It's an existential message. Relax Bill, you don't know everything.
@Ned88Man
Ай бұрын
exactly, you gotta be dumb to not see that.
I'm done clicking on these. Bill Maher is so boring. he just drones on and on and on.
@boblozaintherealworld3577
Ай бұрын
YES!
@ErikPortland
Ай бұрын
It's completely ruined his regular show for me too. I don't even bother anymore. His competition is so much better.
Yoko gave the permission to Capitol Records to use the master recording without the knowledge of Paul, George, or Ringo. Michael Jackson gave permission for use of the song as he owned the publishing.
Maher: “…it’s one of their greatest revolution.” Incorrect Bill. You forgot to pluralize revolution. It’s one of their greatest revolutions.
Bill misses the point of Hello Goodbye. It’s about a relationship that has soured. The two people can’t agree on anything. I say hello, you say goodbye etc.
@JohnRice-vb2ze
Ай бұрын
Yes, the point of a lot of things just go way over his head. Its the same reason he cant understand why people love Trump.
@patfrederick1534
Ай бұрын
@@JohnRice-vb2ze Well, I too don’t understand why people like a pathological narcissistic criminal like Trump either. So I guess Bill and I do agree on one thing.
@JohnRice-vb2ze
Ай бұрын
@@patfrederick1534 Who isnt a narcissist who goes into politics and thinks they can be President? You have to have a different mindset to reach those levels. But to be fair to Trump he was already a very successful billionaire before he got into politics so at least he has good reason to have such a level of belief. A lot of the greats have a level of narcissism and arrogance. You need an inner confidence or you wouldn't even attempt to do anything great. Bill is a far bigger narcissist, because he has no real talent and so has no reason to be so smug and arrogant. As for Trump being a criminal. Trump lives in America. They have a thing called innocent until proven guilty.
@JohnRice-vb2ze
Ай бұрын
@@patfrederick1534 You are brainwashed.
When my husband was in his 20s, he was fired for not sleeping with his male boss. The boss was gay and very open about it. This is very common in restaurants too, especially before all this ‘MeToo’ crap started. I think I may have passed up a few opportunities because I wasn’t flirting with my ex bosses. I saw other girls move up, and they were slutty anyway. They must have had extra sausage for breakfast before the shift started! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The Beatles are like kids that got high for the first time, grew a pair of nuts heavier than Abbey Road, and decided to retire! That summarizes their whole timeline! 🤣🤣🤣
@GhastlyCretin
Ай бұрын
They WERE kids who started getting high for the first time. And some of the best music ever came from it.
@Zack29810
Ай бұрын
I guarantee you have listened to less than 10 Beatles songs in your life.
Hello Goodbye is very good lyrically for those that get it.
@hw343434
Ай бұрын
There’s nothing to get lol just a catchy song with no real meaning, just yin and yang at the most
Revelation 9 was their greatest song hands down
Why talk about the Beatles when you have JOHN FOGERTY there?🤔
@AaronMichaelLong
Ай бұрын
Because fawning to someone about their own work is uncomfortable to the recipient. How many conversations do you think John Fogerty has had about 'Green River' or 'Fortunate Son' which he just wanted to slink out of?
@boniw698
Ай бұрын
Bill loves shade.
@DJ-bj8ku
Ай бұрын
@@AaronMichaelLongHe could’ve asked him about what he’s working on now or about the present state of music and the industry-in other words be curious.
@johnurban7333
Ай бұрын
It’s one of many subjects they talk about in the hour. This is just a 3 minute clip
@masarothgames
Ай бұрын
Because they are better than him.
You have to have a special lack of self-awareness to tell John Fogerty that Hello Goodbye is trash.
@RocStarr913
Ай бұрын
“Hello Goodbye” may be lyrically nonsensical, but it’s still well-crafted musically.
@steelyspielbergo
Ай бұрын
when did he say it was trash?
@yesterdayproductions1019
Ай бұрын
@DJ-bj8ku He NEVER said it was trash idiot. He said the music was great but the lyrics were silly.
@maximuskhan2100
Ай бұрын
@@RocStarr913 I think it is very good lyrically too. It is not just about the words literally moreso the philosophy behind the song.
@OriginalGrasshopper
Ай бұрын
When did he say it was “trash”?? He actually praises it for being so catchy.
How does John Fogerty not know about Michael Jackson being responsible for putting Beatles songs in commercials.
@debjorgo
22 күн бұрын
That was odd, especially since he has had a dog in that race. But then again, some people don't watch TV or read magazines or internet news. If he just reads a newspaper for his news, he may not have heard about it. But then again again, he had the TV on when he saw the Niki commercial.
Hmm....Huge Elvis fan doesn't know Mystery Train? And yes, John Fogerty should've been able to finish his sentences.
CCR are one of the few bands that are up there with the Beatles. I’ll take CCR over the stones every day.
Bill’s podcast has really turned me off him. He just talks over every guest with his uninteresting and often patchy pontifications with the most condescending cadence on US media. Unwatchable unfortunately.
Dick James owned the Beatles publishing
Once again truth flies over the head of Lil Billy Maher.. " HELLO GOODBYE" is a significant song. Hello BILLY SHEARS.. Goodbye PAUL McCartney.. READ "Memoirs of Billy Shears " Then Laugh at yourself for being soooooo gullible. As the Beatles screamed at all of US thru out many songs to "LISTEN UP" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
o bla di o bla da life goes on... bruh!
What’s up with Fogerty’s hair?
You should have counted the FOUR, Bill...not THREE
it's 4/4 time Bill, you count it 1234
Bill cant judge anybody he's short on every subject to do with life.
I like you, Bill. But you don't let your guest speak sometimes. You talk over them.
bill was right for once-Jackson did sell out to Nike
Why ask the former leader of one of the most underrated bands a question about the most overrated band?
@tomheim9516
27 күн бұрын
who decides on the ratings? you? because if you ask the majority they would disagree with you. just a simple fact. check the numbers.
that was thepoint of the song. Listen to the story BEHIND the song.. He wrote it with his roadie trying to show him that anyone could write a song ABOUT ANYTHING
Hello Goodbye has always been one of my least favorite Beatles song and I love the Beatles. I never understood why oldies stations play it so much.
@gerardowmby7156
Ай бұрын
It was always one of my favorites.
@cactaceous
Ай бұрын
It’s certainly one of many corny and schmaltzy post Revolver McCartney songs that I skip without thought.
@RocStarr913
Ай бұрын
It was one of the biggest hits of 1967 and it is also very simplistic.
@yesterdayproductions1019
Ай бұрын
@@RocStarr913 NOT musically simplistic. Lyrically yes.
Every song doesn't have to be life threatening. John gets it . Stick to comedy bill
The words to Hello Goodbye are perfect for that KIND OF SONG. Try to write better words that FIT THE SONG. I'll wait.
I think Bill plays the skin flute
I really enjoy the music of the Beatles, however, I wise person who knows music like myself, knows they were both underrated and overrated at the same time. Seriously listen to bands like the Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath and later Halen, police,
I disagree about Hello Goodbye meaning nothing. I think it's a modern parable on the political divide.
This is what KZread is for
Ah, I think McCartney knew more about lyrical intent Bill.
Sometimes I have to turn Maher off
Fogerty like, Wtf this dude talkin bout
Bill Maher teaching JOHN FOGERTY what good music is 😂
Poor John Fogerty.
Hello Bill Goodbye.....
Bill Maher told Jerry Seinfeld that "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hey Jude," "Penny Lane" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" were never on any Beatles albums until the songs were released on compilations. Bill Maher's ignorance is matched only by his arrogance.
What a waste of an interview,let the guest speak,you have a living legend sitting next to you!
Songs are songs not books or messages. It’s entertainment and emotions. Bill certainly knows what BS words are all about.
Bill's knowledge and appreciation of popular music or film is pretty superficial, not much different from a random person on the street. Thus, he has some pretty random opinions. I think he once opined that Bill Joel had more "good" songs than the Beatles. Much like your younger sister, he is not a good source for musical insight.
There is no bad with the Beatles
Actually, "Revolution" is quite musically pedestrian--just a blues rip-off. "Come Together" is also quite pedestrian. The music of The Beatles benefited enormously from the addition of numerous session musicians, George Martin's arrangements and production, and, quite crucially, the great sounds that engineer Geoff Emerick figured out for them (e.g., he got a huge bass sound for Paul by rewiring a speaker to turn it into a microphone). John Lennon's nonsense lyrics are a great deal more interesting and entertaining than his overly earnest efforts. John Fogerty is very lucky that he has Bill Maher here to tell him exactly where it's at. Perhaps Fogerty will try to write some songs and attempt to make his mark in music. Meanwhile, Bill has it all figured out--case closed!
Bill Maher is completely your cringe friend who doesn’t have a clue, cos he wasn’t there, when talking to someone who actually was… I mean, really… The lyrics of “Hello Goodbye” can be discussed as an observation of Paul McCartney’s dualistic, Gemini mind, the harmony swoops or that it featured a Bside which represented the hilarious cynicism of Lennon’s mind… I get the same feeling when listening to Howard Stern talk
Bill, I know you're trying... but try harder to get Elon!
I have been a regular listener/watcher of Maher back to the beginnings of 'Real Time' and a fan of his comedy for years. I used to watch Club Random because it seemed like Maher "unplugged". But at some point a year or so ago it became obvious this was just stoned Bill talking over every guest, who are now right-wing jerks he's kissing up to.....why? He still claims to be Libertarian....a party that doesn't exist....and painting himself as SMARTER than everybody. The last Random show I watched was with Sammy Hagar. A very cool and experienced STAR from San Bernardino County where I now live. Whatever. The every-man comedian is now a multi-millionaire....etc. etc. An arrogant baby.
Bill doesnt know anything about music. By the way, search for the drum cover by David montis of hello goodbye, take 1. Amazing drumming in that song.