It is unavoidably heartbreaking to accept the very fact that "it is an illusion and manipulation."

@hgtudor-theultra

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed but necessary for you to know and accept this.

@herwire

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra Your materials offer useful insight. I am working on it. Thank you.

@melinatedvessel6840

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra Hello..I am wondering how a middle lesser wouldn't know after he's done this successfully to several women..The cad that he is.... 17yrs and now believe I've played every role in his fuel matrix,lol....Ive went no contact.

What did being married to a narcissist do for me? ... It showed me how to let go of a relationship that doesn’t exist.

The first time he devalued me was his last time....he underestimated the wrong person xo

@milefunelly

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Once the mask slipped, I began to get out. He noticed and tried to get me back under control. When that didn’t work, he disengaged and I was free! I am disgusted by the real face, he has showed me.

@explorer0213

2 жыл бұрын

@@milefunelly was this literally ie mask completely removed cold empathy.

Stale, Bored, Devalued, Providing, Fuel, Punishing, Replacement, Period, Control, Supplier, Benefits, Bronze period, Behaviors, Manipulations, Binding, Emotional thinking, Golden period! Sooooooo much to plot and plan and remember and do! WHAT A LIFE!!😱☮️♥️😀

Thanks for these red flags, HG. I was on the receiving end of intense emotional declarations, grandiose propositions, triangulations ect ect ect - now I understand why I was manipulated. Thank You for these insights.

Ooooh this explains SO much!!! I’m a shelf IPSS - extended golden period but I’ve mistakenly thought the shelving silent treatment was a devaluation. I have had the occasional corrective silent treatment when I’ve pushed him too far. Generally things have been “good” between us - except for the fact that it’s all on his terms and I hate being shelved. I almost talked myself out of believing he was a narcissist because of this, because he isn’t ever overtly nasty to me. He treats me quite well. Gah! Light bulb on moment!!!

I saw the golden period acted upon my ex's friends and family. One of his cousins who was in a highly respected position and well off financially got a lot of praise from my ex. But slowly over time, he became more and more abusive. His cousin also noticed the way he was treating me and talked to him about it. Well, that wounded him and he lashed out even more after that. He was was the same with his friends, but for some reason they just put up with his abuse because they felt like they needed his help for different things. At the end of the day, none of the abuse is worth anything he had to offer.

I never experienced a golden period. More like bronze or copper, or even iron. I went through so many periods of devaluation it took a toll on me. At one point when I expressed concerns about things he said that he and I were going through a rough patch. WTF? It took me two years to get rid of him.

@1991windsor

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't really receive a golden period either and I think a lot of it has to do with the school of narcissist we are dealing with. Mine was more of a lesser overt.

@joannemcevoy4232

3 жыл бұрын

@@1991windsor definitely the lesser narc

@EGMADH

3 жыл бұрын

Wow I understand to get hook because of the golden period but all the suffering with no sugar at all? Why would anyone accept or being ok with that? I’m sorry for you.

@edennis8578

2 жыл бұрын

@@EGMADH In my case, it was a matter of being willing to be in a bad, or middling, relationship instead of being alone. I Also suspect that this is exactly why I didn't get a golden period; I was too easy a target so he didn't have to try.

@yehmen29

9 ай бұрын

The devaluation at several different workplaces also took a heavy toll on me. I suggest you use Jerry Miles (another author on KZread) 's technique of telling yourself 'Oh, they are callng me a Coca Cola! Well, I KNOW that I am NOT a Coca Cola'. One of my last managers used to tell me that I didn't know how to read and write and that I didn't know how to use a computer. At another workplace I had Indian colleagues (Indian nationals) telling me that if I wasn't English, then I wasn't British and I should be deported. I am predominantly Irish... so definitely NOT English!

This is a good explanation of triangulation because it goes in depth about the relationships narcissists cultivate and use to get their supply. It also explains the cycle of love bombe, devalue, discard, ..and hoovering Love bomb, Hoover, golden period, pretty much the same thing. I am gaining so much insight into my ex narc’s inner and outer workings. I wish I had all this knowledge years ago.

It's like The Narcissist is at war with the world that only exist in their distorted thinking. It's exhausting

One former colleague took in her live in partner's teenage sons. They were of the same age but from different mothers so she said she wanted them to bond. One day I commented on how rare it was these days to find stepmoms like her, she said she was working for a wedding ring as soon as she had that they would be out. I was so shocked. She must have been a narcissist.

I've experienced this twice... the second time luckily I had studied and did my homework. Trusting my intuition has helped me tremendously

You upload a lot of content thank you 🙏

Thank you for helping me understand me

Loved this HG❤️

I have dated several narcissists, and NONE have broken up with me. This part confuses me. I have left all of them. One, because he stopped having sex with me but didn’t want to end it; one because he sexually assaulted me; another because he kept devaluing me and pissed me off and an opportunity presented itself for me to break up with him whilst he was out of town. Other narcs were of shorter duration, I broke up with one and went no contact suddenly with another. Those two both came hoovering. But your work has stated many many times empaths don’t escape. I have many times. No one has ever broken up with me. And repeatedly I ended it because I was not happy with the treatment and I became convinced nothing I could do would change anything.

@biancachristie

2 жыл бұрын

No, empaths can and do leave

Three months of a "golden period" = 3 + years of a still ongoing malign campaign. Is there EVER a moment they aren't cheating or lying?!? (Sleeping doesn't count)

@geojone28

3 жыл бұрын

😂

Damn I feel like I am a freaking flame to a moth with narcissist. The only ones that catch me off guard nowadays are the greater ones, wow they know how to throw a hell of a golden period! I do catch myself before I get in too deep but wow It’s very alluring if you’re not paying attention. I find the best way to spot the greater is to look at their eyes, they are not able to show meaning in their eyes.

@lindasharpe7039

3 жыл бұрын

Thank You for that. I now check the eyes of past people.

@OceanSwimmer

3 жыл бұрын

The eyes of a predator. You are fuel. No fuel, no predator.

@explorer0213

2 жыл бұрын

They don't look into your eyes when they are hiding behind the mask. When the are manipulating. Bullocks they don't know they defo do know.

@cremebrulee4759

4 ай бұрын

Dead eyes.

This is when you are Kate Winslet on the Titanic

Yup, all Narcissists “think” they will never get caught but when they do (like I did)…. The PUNISHMENT for love bombing is way worse!!!!!!

5 years ago my narc husband quit having sex with me.. I went no contact with him last year for a few months...then we got back together after 5 months. Still no sex. .Moved back out 2 weeks ago..where the hell is the new primary... it's been 6 years of devaluation and emotional roller coaster ride... Hopefully she will appear soon 😉 I can't take no more just looking at him I want to throw up..

@lindasharpe7039

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@explorer0213

2 жыл бұрын

Goso!!!

Listening again since this is what is being poured out on me again.

My God. To Narcissists, we are 'appliances' - much like a toaster or microwave. When the Owner/Controller of the appliance loses interest, we are discarded, just like trash.

@laurenqueenofwolvesnicole

2 жыл бұрын

You're lucky if that's the end result you get. Truly, truly LUCKY.... You could be blackmailed for years.... Years.... That if you dare to leave them, they'll destroy your entire existence. By telling everyone in your family the truth about your active drug addiction you've been trying so hard to hide. Blackmail that he'll call the cops and have you snagged in the middle of a transaction, so you get popped and arrested. Stuck in jail for weeks so badly in withdrawal you just might die. Threats of your mother and father being popped, because the whole family unit uses dope. So not only would you suffer, but your parents as well. Blackmailed with revenge porn. Threats of showing it to all your family and friends, so you feel ashamed and embarrassed.... Or, when those threats of blackmail don't seem to be taking hold and fully working anymore? The threat of killing you. Killing your family, what small one you have left. Killing any nice boy your own age who may take notice and like you.... Or just getting to him with communication, turning him against you skillfully and masterfully. So that you'll be alone forever. In the main time in your life for marriage and children. Knowing and quaking in fear that he'll follow through on his threats of murder if pushed, because he's an honorably discharged Sargent in the Marines, who joined solely to go overseas and kill people with no consequences. Then joined the Hells Angels after that as an enforcer, who's job it is to enforce their laws and rules, with a secondary focus on collecting debts from women who accepted loans from the club. If the female thought that because she's regularly fucking the club member who gave her the loan, that meant her debt was square? It was his job to.... Correct... That very inaccurate assumption. By pressing her fucking face into the stove eye cranked on TEN, if they weren't being 100% accommodating and submissive. Giving their faces a 3rd degree burn bullseye 🎯 scar on their cheek, for the rest of their lives.... Knowing that if it weren't for your face being "so pretty for him to look at" (making him prideful for snagging you, showing he's "still got it") long after the love bombing stopped? The same thing and worse would've happened to your face, to match the ugly scars and bruises he put on the rest of your body... Then they'd just have him murder the men who wronged the club outright. It's debatable which gender gets the worse end of the stick that the enforcer brings to a "meeting". I think I'd give anything.... Give ANYTHING to have just been discarded once he grew bored. I know I'm not trash and never will be, so I wouldn't give a fig if that's how he perceived me. Especially if that perception resulted in me being released from captivity, upon the arrival of his boredom. If that would ever even happen... Exiting with no contact is nearly impossible when not only your suffering is guaranteed by blackmail, threats of death, but also your entire family's....

@explorer0213

2 жыл бұрын

@@laurenqueenofwolvesnicole this is a dangerous sociopath GOSO

“Bronze Period”....hmmmm....yes, definitely. Several weeks, then days, then hours, and finally in the past three years or so, minutes of “not being angry”. Lower Midranger, 26 years of cold fury, degradation and silent shame.

This is exactly what my ex did to me although he won’t admit he’s had affairs or on line affairs . He also had one that had lasted over 16 years way before me and during his marriage if I’m to believe his ex wife. Never again massive lesson learnt and understanding how he was really thinking is an eye opener to a empath

I didn't get a "golden period" with the last narcissist. I think it's probably because it wasn't necessary. He knew I liked him already. I was an IPSS (DLS) It was a bronze period. 😄

@Savagedominator

2 жыл бұрын

we'll get ya to silver! haha

Great job teacher and your so right. Love.it hope all is well. Your student# the super nova Empath. 😁😁😁😁😀😀🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

i guess we all give people golden periods, sounds like you're just more honest with yourself about it than a lot of humans

I wish I’d never ‘done that’. I thought I saw something else ‘I wish I hadn’t convinced myself of that’. I thought you were like me ‘I wish I’d have known better’.

God, my most recent golden period (I’ve fallen for 2 narcs) included fabulous holidays and surprised trips out. I wish I’d seen this years ago.

@achirichello1208

2 жыл бұрын

Just two?

Still learning.

I've had so many 'golden periods' (which I call 'honeymoon periods') at work. Usually they last 2 weeks. I have found it impossible to remain in my employer/colleagues' good graces once they found out I was not as submissive and docile as they thought I was. One director told me 'I am going to mould you!' after I had started to work for him (I would never have taken the job if he'd been so honest about his intentions).

I know my role now. I was the dirty little secret to a man I thought was divorced he’s actually “still in the process” . I thought I was a queen lol. I was shelved when Mr. N. was abruptly kicked out of his apartment (um red flag 🚩🤦‍♀️) he said he needed two weeks alone to sort out his new living conditions. Never mind I was practically living there. Then we would resume our relationship (2nd red flag 🚩🙅‍♀️) I reluctantly agreed and lasted two days, he also wanted no contact during this time as opposed to my help? Um something is rotten in Denmark. I called him and ended the relationship. There was one last golden weekend that ended in me getting put in a box. I found out he was dating another woman and she just had more money. I never bought a thing for that man I’m just not that kinda girl? So I have been able to maintain no contact now that I understand who I was in the play. I’d like to add I’ve thrown every lavish gift given to me in the garbage!

This is all so horrific. The golden period for me lasted 15 years. I feel absolutely foolish. I didn’t figure out that he was a narc until about 12 years into it. I didn’t even know what a narc was until I started to live and experience it. I had to find a word for this unusual person. It became so interesting to figure him out. Once I did I was disgusted and resented him. He confirmed everything I already knew but this time I had proof. He couldn’t deny anything. He also admits to being a narc but of course called me an even bigger one. The whole relationSHIT was a lifetime movie with guest appearances from the FBI and accompanied with a restraining order which never changed a thing!

Hi HG Tudor, does the golden period of a greater narcissist last more than lesser and middle range one?

H.G What happens if an IPSS or DLS decides they have had enough and just goes "No Contact? "

@spiritual5811

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that'd be interesting to know I wonder if they hoover

My golden period was wrought with lots of devaluation and heart break watching him look at other less attractive women and female singers and female etc . He had agreed to a serious relationship after I told him I loved him. He had triangulated me with a younger women 25 years younger than him. I tried to dump him as a friend but he hovered me but kept seeing the younger but borderline personality, stalker . Yes she stalked us at least 4 times over a period of a year and she left nasty notes on our door step and on our car . The borderline younger woman verbally abused me the first time I met her . This was the worst and most hurtful of all . Then I had to listen to him talk about how he and she had made out like teenagers and he’d never had a woman 25 years younger than him. But kept stringing me along . He saw her a month before he discarded her. He didn’t discard her until I had agreed to a physical relationship at lunch while he went on about his friend with benefits old Debbie .. the secondary sexual source .

@yehmen29

9 ай бұрын

It's the hot and cold technique. In French we call how it feels 'ne pas savoir sur quel pied dancer', 'not to know on which foot to dance', i.e. whether to use your left or your right foot. It's particularly bewildering to be shouted at for doing something you got praise for previously and vice versa. I worked for a guy for whom I had to do a lot of typing, to produce documents for his clients (he was a financial adviser). He would litterally make me redo the valuations up to half a dozen times, changing the font size, the font used for the titles, the width of the margins, the layout... It was no use to create template documents as he could not commit to a template. He wanted everything printed out each time, and some valuations could be 50 pages long... So I would be wasting several hundreds of pages of printer paper in total...

Dam,HG, wow, that was very, very interesting and believing or not I understood just what you have said. What a fuck up life I have had. What he had done , being the supplier, the more valuable one ,lol, I swear all I can do is laugh about this. I believe i have cried so much, i guess if i was to cry it's for joyful of knowing finally what has been done , I am not at fault and all these affairs where SIPPS for something that I wasnt given him. So he goes to them to get that fule of what I am not giving him. He sure didnt like me standing up for myself because of seeing he wants to have very much so , being in control over me. Yes, he kept making sure I was in the wrong. And my ass kept believing, even though, i was doing the most hardest thing to stand my grounds thinking i was right. Dam, Dam, I have made the realization of my faults , so I will not take the part of his faults. He has to take them for himself. I have carried something for so long that wasnt mine to take. The illusion he had given me was so mean and ungrateful and disrespectful. Dam, HG , I hate being in so much emotional regret of not knowing before hand so I would of not put myself in such a environment and putting myself in a down fall of course, money, for his enjoyment and making himself something grateful to give the illusion to everyone and to the community. Making me the crazy one and what ever else of lies he had made of me. Okay, we all have some type of narc traits. If I might say and if I am wrong please ,HG, let me known. If I didnt have any of some type of traits I wouldn't of been able to stand my grounds to my x husband and his peers, much less even my peers( his friends and mine ,which seemed like someone had brought to my attention they would f[]ck your friends at least they would try to)? And if I didnt, I was just some air headed female he could destroy, physical and mentally , maybe what, dead from all the stress and worrying and could of had me out of the way as to the sort of a( having family members thanking so) institution? If this is true , Thank God for small miracle and the thanks to my up growing. I had alot of church going people in my family and the gratefulness of my parents. As to say yes, my mother wasnt much of my up growing ,but, she had taken my brother and me to sunday school. Which sad of knowing, my mother is so negative and controlling of her narc traits because of how she was raised. And so now it will stop with me. I do my best not to fule what is not needed. This is all new to me and as they say, have to program my brain in a different way of how I applie myself to people. They say ,you can teach a dog new tricks lol...once there set in there ways it's hard to break them. I've come a long way then I was last year. Thanks HG, I dont care what other people think about you, I think your pretty cool as a narc.....have a blessed day.

I was in a relationship for 4 months only. Was I a secondary source?

Funny thing is I never really experienced a golden period. Maybe the first couple dates or the first weekend together. But the narcs I dated turned sh*tty pretty early on. The mask slipped pretty quickly.

Just accept everything they provide. When they leave you leave🤷🏽‍♀️

His love bomb was a dud

Like when he put a valentine in my mailbox. How manipulative. Still haven't seen him.

🙏🏼

My narc goes to church 3 times a week. I can't understand this??

@hgtudor-theultra

3 жыл бұрын

Saving on the heating bills perhaps?!

@Oakleaf700

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra And perhaps a stunning woman in the congregation he was trying to reel in?

@explorer0213

2 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra pity it wasn't the library then they could learn something.

@rlsloan80

2 жыл бұрын

What better place to find people primed for delusional thinking?

Can a Narcisist start off as a Covert and become a Greater/ Ultra ?

@hgtudor-theultra

3 жыл бұрын

I do not use the term Covert Narcissist, it is unhelpful. If you mean can a Mid Range Narcissist become a Greater, the answer is no. Narcissists cannot shift school.

Is this why a narcisist will choose a much younger person for the STS? (Example; 35 yr old narcisist engages with an 18 yr old)

@iraidushka

3 жыл бұрын

Age has nothing to do with it IF he is a TRUE narcissist. They go for supply - Sex, Services, Supply. If a new victim provides narcissist with any 2 out of those 3 things, they don’t care about the looks, age, race. Some go for much older women. A true narcissist does not even have a type. They only care about women who can feed their grandiosity on the daily basis, given them adulation, attention, admiration, praise. It’s all about validation for a narcissist as they are empty shells. Mine went for an older lady with large melon size breasts, brunette, married. Severely overweight. Much different from me. She is codependent and a doormat. She left her wonderful husband for this piece of shit. She is in it for a rude awakening.

@mariepettersson4207

3 жыл бұрын

@@iraidushka so did mine..... she is the opposit of what he said he liked in a woman...

@j0nnyism

Жыл бұрын

Oh is that why Andrew Tate likes them young?

You’re arrogance and sense of entitlement is disturbing sir. Genius delivery ~!

@louisemagill8295

10 ай бұрын

*your

Is the golden period as magical for the narcissist as it is for us?

@narcsitereader3844

3 жыл бұрын

It’s different. The golden period is magical for many of us because it’s during this period we are falling in love. The narcissist meanwhile, is reaping the benefits of a fresh, potent source of fuel. They feel in control, powerful. The narcissist is however expending ‘effort’ to bring the new appliance fully into the illusion that is the golden period.

@avamerritt8935

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not magical for any narc. It’s all a game..:smoke and mirrors to suck you in.

@christinacatalano

2 жыл бұрын

I felt this.

@valerie5325

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the the narc . Lowers believe they love you , that is driven by their narcissism to ensure the prime aims otherwise, it's power they feel from the fuel.

HG: where were you when I needed you when I met my husband in 1993 😢?

You are incredibly delicious Mr. Tudor.😋 Incredibly delicious. 😂😂😂...✌💚&🌹Blossom.

can a golden period last for 2 years?

@Miss-320

3 жыл бұрын

I am wondering the same thing. Yes golden periods can last 2 yrs sometimes. Keep in mind that what is online is fake and what is behind closed doors can only be a horror yet to come. That mask becomes boring & tiresome at some point. I could barely survive 3 months of the Dr Jekyl Mr Hyde XN yet the new appliance is in a lengthy whimsical golden period which has lasted just over a year. From what I can gather (unless I’m completely incorrect) is either shes a severe codependent with extremely low self esteem who isn’t seeing through his mask or a full narcissist herself sharing the psychosis fantasy of “them against the world” 😂 they currently share of being a “Baron & Baroness” 🙄🤣 (Completely delusional I can’t make it up it’s so bizarre.) I can only guess both haven’t “discovered” the true shallow nature of each other due to the lovebombing & current mirroring of one another but eventually every narc ship sinks like the Titanic. It’s just a matter of time.

@tarasteward3271

3 жыл бұрын

@@Miss-320 u are right! from what i have observed the victim who knows and still says keeps everything going. from the situation i have witnessed the ''new'' GOLDEN PERIOD is lasting 2 years and going .they even re-married .i don't want the narc anymore i just watch so i can be re-assured .everything hat HG says is spot on !

@koreydavis8655

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Mine lasted almost 8 years, but and this is the BIG BUT, we were in a long distance relationship. Saw each other every other month and spent 4 days every month. So it was easy to be nice to me for a short time through the years. It’s was all a big lie, it was all FAKE!!! I even had a child with her. But after my daughter was born, that’s when the arguments began to be popping up more. She was a liar and a cheater and a manipulative bitch. Dumb me, red flags were there. Her husband committed suicide before I met her. She cheated on him repeatedly

@Ytdeletesallmycomments

2 жыл бұрын

It lasts as long as you are happy and play along and dont say no. One was 10 years for me. Last one was a year. Guess it depends on the sort of narc. Most dont make it to 3 months before they crack.

@j0nnyism

Жыл бұрын

What if it lasts 30 years?

Never got a Golden period 🤔

@Miss-320

3 жыл бұрын

Neither did I, the complete opposite

@youraddict9813

3 жыл бұрын

Was it because you instead provided the GP opportunities...meaning you bought the gives, you took him/her out to dinner, you did the more loving up and smothering??? And that they didn't have to?

Demons, period!!!

Bronze period ✅

They are stupid monsters they cant defeat a empath for long

He talks using a lot of technical terms and absolutes. It’s weird to talk about human relationships like that. What if they suck up all your fuel, do you shrivel up and die?

“My” midranger is sooo lazy and so stingy that during his golden period you could see he really thought that he was being generous & chivalrous ! But honestly I almost felt sorry for him, because even if it was for HIS standards, it was not that impressive. So you can imagine how it was after the GP for me 😒

@hgtudor-theultra

3 жыл бұрын

All round shithousery.

@dot.888

3 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra Yep 😐

@Oakleaf700

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting you use the term ''Chivalrous''. My Narcissist kept saying he ''Lived by the rules of the Round Table'' ..Chivalry &c. Hollow laugh in retrospect.

@caroliner2029

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oakleaf700 how deeply disappointing for you to find that he wasn't as advertised, and there were no refunds on faulty items.

@giftyamam8245

2 жыл бұрын

@@hgtudor-theultra are u saying that nothing good can come from u or u are just putting them down.

I fell for the golden trap period. It only lasted a short time. Bastard.

Except I won't ever be with him no matter what

The narc hates women, i.e., his mother.

@av1550

3 жыл бұрын

You don’t know what you’re talking about! The narcs mother protects them! She hates you, and will always turn a blind eye to their son or daughter’s wrong doing. She part of the narcs team!! You have to be involved with a narc a long time to understand this!!

@av1550

3 жыл бұрын

And by the way, they love, love women and men!! They’re addicted, the more the better!!!

@Calicandyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@av1550 yeah mine had an over protective mother who blamed the women for what her son did every time. Literally said to him “I just don’t understand why you can’t ever find a nice girl” hahaha

@nickieglazer7065

10 ай бұрын

@@av1550That does not mean that he loves her. They are incapable of that. My ex: ‘ALL women are witches’ Since I escaped, he has left his land & house and run back to Chief witch Mummy. Mummy is his main slave and she feeds from his fuel also. Toxic and emotionally incestuous af.

Well your father you said, in another video,always insisted you could have done better and was never satisfied no matter what lengths you went to in order to get his approval. Your mother who was present but not concerned with you most of the time, was a narcissist and I would speculate your father as well. Narcisstic parents will often split their children into golden child and scapegoat.It appears you were treated as the latter. You were used as an extension of them and not an individual,you were supposed to be seen and not heard.You developed an armour coating that will protect you. Your devaluation of others and watching their distress at you ignoring them is payback for how you were treated as a child long ago.You will ensure you will never be excluded again by being the one who controls the discards so they will know what it is to suffer.Noone will ever persuade you to remove the armour,that is the legacy narcisstic parents leave their children.You strive to be the best at everything and you're still doing so.It cut you to your core that they threatened to disinherit you unless you underwent tests in hospital,which you did but never forgave them for putting you through that.Love is supposed to be unconditional for your child.I see what made you.

However reality is is that Leonardo DiCaprio does not love Kate Winslet not even at all it is all an act. This is how I like to describe the false but looks real seduction

Omg hate you! Hate you! I have no hope! None!

Boring....😴

@bewaniya

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@av1550

3 жыл бұрын

You think it’s boring because you’ve never really dealt with a narc and never experienced this !!

@alisonford3649

3 жыл бұрын

Is that Megain Markle ?