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@RoseUnseen

2 жыл бұрын

Its really of a question who was in the house that night.?

@dorrelljarmon1824

2 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆

@bennygarcia1913

2 жыл бұрын

This was gold

It was Fredo, he was well known for being able to open drapes, two at a time.

@stephenberg8463

3 жыл бұрын

Haha gotcha

@gammondog

3 жыл бұрын

No no. Those were skirts.🥴

@misterm7086

3 жыл бұрын

FUNNY! 👏😂👏😂👏😂

@chrisohio9337

2 жыл бұрын

Those f*cking cocktail waitresses

@Cashmoneytrader

2 жыл бұрын

Bang bang

It was Mario Puzo. We never see him on screen, but we know he's a snitch. Only now do we see the height of his ambition and the depth of his depravity.

@dannysullivan8929

3 жыл бұрын

LOL...LOL...LOL....LOL....LOL....LOL....LOL.....LOL.....LOL....LOL

@astrzmbie9968

3 жыл бұрын

Lol wtf

@lovetronlawrence2482

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@yasmoh5712

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@EricRosemusic

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean "Drapeavity" ?

It was the Russian Interior Decorator that escaped Paulie and Chrissy that one time they got lost in the Pine Barrens.

@tcehaus2600

3 жыл бұрын

Yea but his house looked like shit

@timothygould8948

3 жыл бұрын

the guy who killed 16 czechoslovakians?

@seanerboner630

3 жыл бұрын

@@timothygould8948 wiped his ass with his hands before he came to this country

@dondajulah4168

3 жыл бұрын

all because Michael would not put remote on docking station

@buddywilliams5650

3 жыл бұрын

This is not the Soprano's. Good show. This is a epic movie.

I completely agree. I also noticed when Michael meets with Jonny Ola at Anthony’s confirmation, Rocco is holding an orange. We all know what oranges mean in The Godfather

@omarguzman1632

3 жыл бұрын

Great observation!!

@aristotleonassis5792

3 жыл бұрын

Al Nero also eats an orange which is a symbol of Rothstein’s impending assassination. It symbolises death not betrayal by the person holding it. Marlon Brando holds them in the market place.

@hectorsanchez1377

3 жыл бұрын

Orange is death. I thought black was death.

@aristotleonassis5792

3 жыл бұрын

@@hectorsanchez1377 it is. The oranges are symbolic of doom in the film, just like the sword of Damocles in Greek mythology symbolises danger.

@mothman-jz8ug

3 жыл бұрын

@@hectorsanchez1377 Orange is the new black?

Another possibility is Roth sent someone else along with the two assassins and his instructions were to kill the other two after the shooting. Perhaps the two assassins were supposed to rendezvous at the location they were killed, and the one who killed them successfully escaped.

This explains the two big holes in G 2- the open drapes/dead assassins and Rocco's suicide mission to kill Roth. I always thought of Rocco as a Jack Ruby analogue. Also his suicide mission would be similar to the way Tom got Frank Pentangeli to kill himself in return to taking care of his family.

@calvinwalkerwalker5698

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with ur theory "E"...Did Michael actually give Roco an ultimatum? But, then why leave it out in the movie??? Was it in the book?

@davidc.eisenbach7001

3 жыл бұрын

@@calvinwalkerwalker5698 ​ @Calvin Walker Walker Check this link out. godfather.fandom.com/wiki/Rocco_Lampone. It claims that in an initial draft of Godfather III, Rocco survives getting shot and comes back to serve as one of Michael's capos! That would undercut everything about him being a traitor. So we are back to the open drapes and suicide mission being plot holes.

@kargs5krun

3 жыл бұрын

He did it, Ruby style for sure!

@hongkongbeat2164

3 жыл бұрын

This 👆🏻. I’ve always thought Rocco was the rat.

@TeddyKGB12

2 жыл бұрын

But if it was Rocco, Michael wouldn't have trusted him to take out Roth. Why would Michael ever trust him ever again?

Interesting theory. It would keep in line with the notion that Michael sometimes allows for traitors against the family to atone for their actions and make sure their own loved ones are taken care of, like he did with Frankie Five Angels

@glenbellefonte9620

3 жыл бұрын

Five fingers

@RoseUnseen

2 жыл бұрын

@@brunoblivious what !!!! Lol mind blown

@glenbellefonte9620

2 жыл бұрын

@@brunoblivious fair enough but they still called him 5 fingers. I've spoke italian ny entire life but thanks for the lesson. Nu strunz

@iunnox666

2 жыл бұрын

@@glenbellefonte9620 Who called him Five Fingers? Only remember them calling him Pent Angeles or Five Angels.

I never thought twice about who actually opened the drapes until watching this. The Rocco theory makes perfect sense.

@lusmas99

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I always wondered why Rocco went on suicide mission to kill Roth. This theory makes sense.

@gregorybathurst4326

3 жыл бұрын

As a top mafia man ,you would think , the main bedroom would be off limits to everyone . Mobsters having all access .

@Ubu987

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody deliberately opened the drapes. They had simply not been closed that particular night. Fredo had dismissed the household servant whose job it was to close them before she could do it.

@lukethompson4260

3 жыл бұрын

I always wondered why he did that mission. Now it all makes sense.

@tomg6318

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ubu987 if that were the case they wouldn't have included the line by Kay why are the drapes open

The son could have opened the drapes to get a little light to leave his father the note. He didn't turn the light on, so his mother wouldn't wake up.

@FlufferNutterSandwich

2 жыл бұрын

Kids rarely have that level of awareness.

@josephderose2890

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlufferNutterSandwich THESE KIDS ARE TOUGHT DIFFERENTLY BETTER TO RESPECT MOM DADDY ITS POSSIBLE GOOD IDEA.

@josephderose2890

2 жыл бұрын

FANTASTIC IDEA YOU WIN THE BEST IDEA..YOUR A DETECTIVE

@roberttaylor6577

2 жыл бұрын

But the hit on Michael would of been based on sheer luck

@josephderose2890

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberttaylor6577 YES AND BAD SHOOTERS HIS BROTHER I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME WANATED THAT SEAT JOHNNY OLAA PUT IDEAS IN HIS HEAD THEY WERE WORKING ON HIM FOR YEARS

Amazing analysis and great perspective! Never thought twice about the drapes, and Kay asking why they're open. Makes me appreciate Michael's quick reaction even more. Subscribed!

@deadschooled

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t??? It’s the entire plot of the film……… do you have downs or something…?

Honestly, I think the assassins could just as easily paid off a housemaid to open the drapes. Someone who could be enter the room freely without arousing suspicion if they were seen. Anyone else going into that room while Michael's wife is sleeping there is risking a lot if someone walks in and find them. A maid could just claim to be cleaning. The reason why we probably don't discover which specific individual did it is because it wasn't important who did.

@vickiemace1238

2 жыл бұрын

There's no way a maid is going to go into their room while someone is in there sleeping.. at night.. and OPEN the drapes? Really?

@mattmexor2882

Жыл бұрын

I think only Fredo, Tom Hagen, or their mother would not be taking his own life in his hands by going into the room to open the drapes while while Kay was sleeping. A mafioso might consider he could gain a big enough reward to do such a thing, but a maid? How much cash would she need to be offered? She'd be watched like a hawk afterwards and if she suddenly had money she'd be killed. So it'd have to be enough money to allow her to leave her life behind and set her up in another country. In fact I think it would have to be combined with blackmail or a long-term infiltration of the work staff because how could the would-be assassins be sure she wouldn't instead tip off the Corleones to the whole plan?

@mhern57

Жыл бұрын

@@mattmexor2882 Agree with you Matt

I like the Rocco theory as Rocco was really interested in the whereabouts of Michael after they find the bodies but I also like the fact it's left ambiguous

@brodi876

3 жыл бұрын

Wow you’re right..

@richardgentry6996

3 жыл бұрын

I AGREE.

@broadcasttttable

2 жыл бұрын

Why couldn't it have been Fredo?

@paulholman2841

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was a miracle that Michael survived, let alone him and his wife were unscathed from this attack. I also think Rocco was one of the shooters that tried to kill Michael, because the smg that they found next to the bodies is a rare gun, and a particular prop from Godfather part 1. Rocco kills Phillip Tataglia(and a whore) in Godfather part 1 with a swedish m-50 smg (you can see him assemble it in Godfather part 1 during the baptism), and they find the same exact gun next to the two bodies they found in Godfather part 2. I always thought it was unusual because the first time I'd ever seen the m-50 was in Godfather 1 . I'm pretty well versed in firearms, so it always bothered me that I couldn't identify the gun when I first saw it, so I looked into it and I have no doubts that it was a prop with this specific implication within the plot. Rocco tried to kill Michael, and when Michael found out, he probably gave Rocco two options, but no matter what he chose, Rocco knew he would still have to die. That's why he suicided himself to kill Roth.

@diligentsun1154

Жыл бұрын

really good theory. really strong 'offer', to rocco, at the end. GENIUS!

Fredo didn’t know it was going to be a hit. Plus he didn’t want Mike dead, he wanted something on his own so his big little brother would be proud of him.

@denniscerasoli6209

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently, Fredo told them where Mike would be but he didn't know it was a hit on Mike the guy wasn't very bright Mike shouldn't have had his brother whacked he knew he was stupid. When Fredo was laying back in the chair he said to Mike I didn't know it was going to be a hit Mike should have dropped it.

@ProEvoKing

2 жыл бұрын

If someone has a hand in nearly killing you and your family it doesn't matter who it is, family or no family, Fredo was always a liability, sooner or later he would end up causing more hassle for the Corleone family.

@j.l.c.5402

2 жыл бұрын

@@denniscerasoli6209 it was 2 dangerous to let Freddie live he would've always been a dangerous liability to the family

@PunkImagin8tionX

2 жыл бұрын

Oh he knew

@usman5140

2 жыл бұрын

@@denniscerasoli6209 I think Micheal's plan was to banish him from all family business and let him live. Then he found out how much jealousy and bitterness Fredo had towards him and his position as head of the family. He felt like he had no choice after knowing how he really felt about him.

Always thought it was mad Rocco went on that mission. Logical theory. Love your videos man. Keep it up!

@radicevicdent1354

2 жыл бұрын

roco fall off but bot traitor!!!

@normanwilliams5468

Жыл бұрын

Remember Michael said "all our men are business men. In that case anything is possible". Rocco is that person, that's why he was sent to kill Roth. Two birds one stone, typical Michael thinking.

I didn’t want to believe it but was it was Rocco.Roth having multiple operatives;Rocco disobeying clear orders to bring the assassins alive,the assassins throats being slit which means someone they trusted enough to get close to them did it and had the skill to slit two trained killer’s throats(only Rocco).Plus the obvious suicide mission at the end.Michael would’ve never sent someone as high up and valuable as Rocco on that dangerous of a mission unless it was a way to both punish a traitor and allow him to regain his honor.

@rickmainecali

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@josegarza3711

2 жыл бұрын

Great theory. Changes everything.

@TeddyKGB12

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. If it was Rocco, why would Michael trust him enough to order him to take out Roth? Rocco would have either tipped off Roth somehow or pretended like he was going to do it, then escape and disappear. I agree that Michael might have kept Rocco alive as not to tip off Roth that he knew who was behind the botched hit, but I really can't see Michael trusting Rocco with something that important ever again.

@trifan8201

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeddyKGB12 Michael wouldn't let anyone alive if they betrayed him. I think Michael knew about Rocco, so did Rocco knew that Michael knew about his betrayal. Michael gave Rocco the same deal he gave Frank Pentagelli

@TeddyKGB12

2 жыл бұрын

@@trifan8201 I get that, but why would Michael trust Rocco to kill Roth if he betrayed him?

I think it was Anthony. After all, he sprayed insecticide on Vito as he was dying of a heart attack in the garden and it was his operatic debut that set the stage for the attempt on Michael's life and his sister's death.

@Yushwa

3 жыл бұрын

We must be on the same wavelength. I LMAO when he sprayed it in his eyes. I was thinking he will Definitely be a potential hitman when he grows up

@Craydlin

3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone else mentions how Anthony was spraying poison at his dying grandfather! When I was a kid I thought Anthony killed the Don!

@kargs5krun

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony's family revenge for Caesars handling of Anthony and Cleopatra......centuries ago?

@richgenther3519

2 жыл бұрын

Anthony opened the drapes so his father would be distracted by the picture and would be easier to murder.

Rocco also asks Tom where Michael is after finding the dead assassins. Tom doesn’t seem to appreciate the question, either because he wants his orders followed without anyone trying to go directly to Michael or because he’s suspicious of his intentions or both.

Another possibility: A household servant was in the employ of Michael's enemies. It was she who opened the drapes. The killing of the assassins could have been carried out by a third accomplice waiting for them at their get-away location in the compound.

@Ubu987

3 жыл бұрын

There was a household servant, and it was her job to close the drapes at night, but Fredo had sent her home early that day. Nobody opened the drapes. They simply had not been closed.

@GhostofCTC

2 жыл бұрын

This is always how I saw it too

@tradewins

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ubu987 No, because Kay asked "why are the drapes open" implying that when she'd gotten into bed for the night they'd already been closed.

@lufsolitaire5351

Жыл бұрын

@@Ubu987 That to me makes a lot more sense as obviously Michael and Kay’s bedroom should ideally be the most guarded room in the house. I don’t think anyone that wasn’t them, the kids, or a maid could of gotten in there without being heavily suspect. I don’t think even Fredo or Rocco could just go in there without getting the 3rd degree from Michael or another another higher up at the compound. Unless someone snuck in there without being seen or waking up Kay.

@Ubu987

Жыл бұрын

@@tradewins It is possible that Kay had not paid any attention to the drapes until the point where she suddenly noticed they were open.

Michael Corleone gives the clue: _"In my home! IN MY BEDROOM WHERE MY WIFE SLEEPS! Where my children come and play with their toys. In my home."_ The children inadvertently opened the drapes during playtime then turned on the lamp in order for their father to see the picture drawing. Don Vito Corleone said it best: _"Women and children can afford to be careless, but not men."_ The kids were unknowingly careless.

@jchris333

2 жыл бұрын

This actually makes the most sense. I was convinced it was Rocco for a while but after watching it again last night, I’m not so sure

@sagacioussage899

2 жыл бұрын

At the same time as the shooting. No it is not the children.

@johnnydavis5896

Жыл бұрын

The lamp part makes sense with your theory. But not the drapes.

@ripperduck

Жыл бұрын

Nope, too much of a coincidence, and too much left to chance..

@mattmexor2882

Жыл бұрын

Why would the kids be playing there when their mother was sleeping? That seems unlikely. Kay was surprised the curtains were opened so it was presumably done while she was asleep.

There are 2 things that suggest it was Rocco, #1. When Michael orders Rocco that He wants the assasins ALIVE, and Rocco reponds that "we'll try"and Michael blasts back at Rocco-ALIVE Rocco! #2.When Rocco asks Tom Hagen about Michael's wherabouts.

@briansc5148

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Michael guesses the assassins are already dead - killed by one of the their own team. Asking/knowing where your subject of protection is would be essential to any head of security. However, what makes me have any doubt Rocco was was anything more than a passive participant at the actual time frame around the shooting is that it was so badly planned and executed, and Rocco was himself readily observable, couldn't easily get away if thing went wrong with the hit, and stayed to face the boss's wrath - which could have led to some intense physical interrogation if not just Michaels sharp perception of guilt alone.

@erniefernandez1927

3 жыл бұрын

@@briansc5148 True,excellent observation.

@aristotleonassis5792

3 жыл бұрын

But Rocco kills Rothstein and sacrifices his life to do it. Definitely not Rocco.

@erniefernandez1927

3 жыл бұрын

@@aristotleonassis5792 the only assumption or theory to Rocco getting killed and being sacrificed would be that it was the price he paid for his betrayal or Maybe his incompetence at what happened at the Nevada compound the night they tried to kill Michael.

@aristotleonassis5792

3 жыл бұрын

@@erniefernandez1927 no Ernie, Luca wasn’t regarded a traitor when Paulie took the day off sick on the day of the Don’s attempted assassination. Michael accepted his attempted assassination was a betrayal within and later found out it was his own brother. Thanks for bringing up this film again. After 50 years it’s still as good as it was then.

If Fredo did kill those assassins, we all underestimated how tough and ruthless he could potentially be.

@thabomuso6254

2 жыл бұрын

But Fredo was in bed with his wife. Does he approach the assassins alone with a knife and kills both of them, dressed in his pyjamas and then goes back to bed? Right after the hit on his elder brother? No way.

Maybe, Fredo asked Michael's son to draw the picture and go into the room and open the drapes after Kay closed them.

@vaishnaveetiwari8127

3 жыл бұрын

This theory is the most underrated one I've come across. It's sooooo convincing. Well, but wouldn't kay have know if anthony had done so ?

@GhostofCTC

2 жыл бұрын

Great theory

@k3D4rsi554maq

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, Kay was asleep. Michael made a really bad marriage.

5:12 i don’t think “Efficiency” and “Fredo” can go together 😂

Nice analysis. But the best bet is still a hole in the plot.

@harolddburke4726

3 жыл бұрын

Best bet ? Somebody opened them drapes!!

@iamlaws1232

3 жыл бұрын

@@harolddburke4726 The script supervisor, probably.

@onejazzone

3 жыл бұрын

The assistant to the third grip.

@willferrell8524

2 жыл бұрын

but did the carpet match the drapes?

..wouldn't the family have had maids or cleaning staff that could have been leveraged to open the drapes? That would seem most likely to me?

@skydude426

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Household staff could easily gone in and opened the drapes without anyone suspecting a thing as the staff would frequently be in every room of the house.

@K3VYK3V1

3 жыл бұрын

@@skydude426 ..and i think civilians would be easier to threaten or bribe?

@briansc5148

3 жыл бұрын

@@skydude426 At night, with Kay in bed/asleep?

@skydude426

3 жыл бұрын

It would much less suspicious than one of the men going in there.

@K3VYK3V1

3 жыл бұрын

@@briansc5148 ..more so than one of michael's associates, yes.

Spot on. I always thought about the drapes but had no clue as to who did it. Great analysis

Definitely Rocco. Fredo drops a gun when in a stressful situation. Al Neri was fiercely loyal. Tom Hagen couldnt kill a fly

@AndrewOvenden

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't agree on the comment about Tom Hagen. In the first movie, he's asked by Tessio to intervene "for old time's sake." Tom knows what's about to happen but says there's nothing he can do. But, I don't for a second believe Tom would betray Michael.

@AntonnBrown

2 жыл бұрын

In the book, Tom kills.

Great Video! I’ve watched this film several times over the years with this very question in the back of my mind - Very Sound Conclusion, Cin Cin!

The other theory about Rocco is that he had a terminal illness - metastatic cancer or something along those lines - and he agreed to take the suicide mission under the promise that his family would be taken care of.

@briansc5148

3 жыл бұрын

Shades of Jack Ruby

It was Keyser Soze. And like that, he was gone.

The more I see it, the more I realize that Part II isn't as tightly written as Part I. The whole Pentangelli subplot is also confusing, partly due to Danny Aiello's ad-lib that Coppala kept in . Pentangelli's murder was only interrupted because a police officer happened to notice the bar was open early and came in to check it out. Otherwise Frank would be dead and the whole Senate hearing part wouldn't have occurred. There's also the point that Roth was using the Rosato's to sow discord between Michael and Pentnagelli. Killing him makes no sense, but it was only happenstance that it failed. Aiello's line only works if Pentangelli was supposed to live, but there's nothing to indicate that.

Even after all these years, these movies still surprise me. Great theory. Mind blown!

But...You forgot one other possibility. Frank Pentangeli....He was already pissed at Michael, has to wait on line all day, and was certianly quick to wanna whack Roth after the assassination attempt on Michael failed.

@vidhead85

2 жыл бұрын

I can't see it because when he heard about it he was mortified. He wanted to strike back too. It doesn't fit to me

@jamiesonmatthews2190

2 жыл бұрын

@@vidhead85 Thats exactly why he was suspect. He was aggressively looking for a chance to go to the mattresses. He wanted to fight the Rossoto Brothers so bad, and if he could have triggered that with Michael's death, he would have had his war. I mean, if I were to give my honest opinion, I'd say it was probably Fredo. But people always gave Frank a pass.

Fucking brilliant analysis, you made us look at it from different perspectives. Thank you.

I think you just explained a couple of tree things.

@kb9vve

3 жыл бұрын

yes but can it be explained where the shine box is

@noluntas

3 жыл бұрын

@@kb9vve KEK

@JonBecker81

3 жыл бұрын

The Shah of Iran! 😂

@hectorsanchez1377

3 жыл бұрын

The moolinyas have TV,movies. All we have is Johnny olas moldy old sweaters.

@dondajulah4168

3 жыл бұрын

no scraps in his scrapbook. Make it happen

I always though that the extent of Fredo’s betrayal was letting some of Johnny Ola’s men into the compound with him. Ola has a meeting with Michael while his men roam the compound and find the bedroom (how they knew, I don’t know but I guess there’s a million possibilities as to how you know where the main bedroom is) Who killed the assassins? I always though it was other assassins. Meaning a team of four get into the compound, they open the drapes etc, shoot at Michael, turn to get away by boat but two of them slit the throats of the other two. Meaning they were collateral damage. Decoys. Makes more sense to me than Rocco doing it.

@tjo8673

3 жыл бұрын

Your theory makes the most sense to me. No way is one man (Rocco) going to slit two men's throats.

@moonbeamskies3346

3 жыл бұрын

But if Rocco was innocent why doesn't the film make that clear? I think it's either that Rocco was involved or he failed to do his job.

@calvinwalkerwalker5698

3 жыл бұрын

But Michael did order Roco to take care of Johnny's men after their arrival....when he take them? To go and arrange for their failed attempted assignation on Michael???

@hectorsanchez1377

3 жыл бұрын

Win or lose the assassins were going to be killed that night.

@moonbeamskies3346

3 жыл бұрын

@@hectorsanchez1377 A terrible assignment for those guys.

It could have been Kay. When she asked about the drapes, she could have been expecting him to go to the window and close them, rather than hitting the deck as he did.

@MrJamberee

3 жыл бұрын

No, if it was Kay, she could have arranged a more certain ending for Michael, and one that didn’t put her at risk from stray bullets.

@brentcrude8153

2 жыл бұрын

Kay asks: "Why are the drapes open?" not: "Will you close the drapes?" There is an implicit difference.

Brilliant video. I've seen Godfather Part II so many times, and never once questioned who opened those drapes. I would have assumed it was the hit men, but that wouldn't make sense as they wouldn't have had a way to get inside. It definitely wasn't Fredo. Yes, it was totally in character for Fredo to go behind Michaels back and give info to people outside the family, but not in character for him to *knowingly* set his brother up for a hit. Also I could never figure out why the assasination job on Roth was done so recklessly, but this seems to be the best explanation out there.

Johnny Ola simply understood Fredo never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

@automaticmattywhack1470

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many people understand your joke. I'm guessing the same number of thumbs up you have.

It makes sense. Rocco is the one. When Michael put Tom in charge and Rocco wanted to know where Mike was after the hit attempt, Tom barked at him “Rocco!” And then later it is Rocco who kills Roth. “Taking his own life so his family would be taken care of, like “Frankie 5 Angels”

Rocco Lampone definitely was behind Michael's assassination attempt. Many factors point to Rocco being the traitor. It was a brilliant move by Rocco to set up Fredo as the fall guy, covering his tracks. With Michael dead Rocco's power within the Corleone Family would grow and expand, especially if Somehow Fredo became the new Boss.

Good point but don’t forget in The Godfather Part lll. Michael confesses to the priest he had his brother killed for betraying him and trying to harm his family.

In the movie Fredo is defined as the traitor and he insists that he didn’t know it was going to be a hit. Which leaves me wondering what information did he give Johnny Ola and what did he think they were going to do? It really wasn’t explained at all. When Michael confronted Fredo he didn’t tell Michael what he said and what he thought was going to occur. Seems like that would have been the time to reveal it

Great video! Thanks for posting.

I specifically remember this detail and always tried to pinpoint who it was. Maybe I don't know their name, but whoever was looking after Mike's son was who opened the curtains...remember his son had a drawing and was in his bed when Mike got in the room. So that goes to show whoever led his son into the room was who opened the curtains...makes me wanna go back and watch it again.

I believe it was Rocco....when the shooters are found dead Rocco says something like they "look like they're from New York".... like how would he actually know that??? Also, he was in charge of security.... it just seems to make sense to me

@bigdaddytrips6197

2 жыл бұрын

Yup , it all makes sense why Michael sent Rocco on a suicide mission at the end to kill Roth.

Now I understand the Godfather 2 completely. Thanks a lot.

@kurtwpg

3 жыл бұрын

You don't, and no one ever will. Watch it again, you'll spot something else.

@jcnz9861

3 жыл бұрын

True! Who killed the New York shooters was always a loose end.

@aristotleonassis5792

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcnz9861 the same team that took them there that were paid by Rothstein.

If it was Rocco, why would Michael trust him enough to order him to take out Roth? Rocco would have either tipped off Roth somehow or pretended like he was going to do it, then escape and disappear. However, Michael might have kept Rocco alive as not to tip off Roth that he knew Roth was behind the botched hit, but I really can't see Michael trusting Rocco with something that important ever again.

It makes sense about Rocco. Especially remembering his access to Johnny Ola's men when they arrived to meet Michael at Anthony's communion party. I always wondered why a capo would be personally assigned that kind of job. It's like in the movie Bugsy, when Meyer Lansky questioned the rationale of Bugsy Seigel getting involved in the detail of killing an associate.

It could very well have been Connie, Michaels sister. She had a reason he killed her husband. And in Gf1 and 2 you see her hatred for him. Plus in Gf3 she is the ruthless one.

@ieeyore4989

3 жыл бұрын

Solid point! But.... She and "Merle" were drunk and jealous. In 3 it is revealed that she was much more cunning like her father.

@rickdrais9737

3 жыл бұрын

that might explain why she's become so attached to Michael in Part III- guilt. And by Part III she's practically his underboss with Neri as her enforcer

@tinahillsdon2776

3 жыл бұрын

dont be so ridiculous

@studinthemaking

3 жыл бұрын

No way a serious mob guy. Would trust a woman with that much responsibility.

@61rampy65

3 жыл бұрын

@@studinthemaking I think Michael trusted Connie a lot more than Fredo. Remember, she IS family.

I think it still could have been Fredo. The "kidnappers" best chance at getting Michael would be in his own room, so opening the curtains could have been part of the plan. As for the two dead assassins, in theory, it could have still been Fredo but it also could have been Johnny Ola. We already know he was at the compound earlier, he might have escorted the assassins into the compound, and if he hired them they might have had their guard down after failing. With Rocco's mission, he himself said it would be difficult but not impossible and the movie never hints at that possibility.

I thought that video was going to be stupid and I learned so much. Thank you so much for making a video

I always noticed when Michael is biting the orange he turns to rocco and ask him about taking out Roth. Difficult but not impossible. What an answer. Rocco was tough but, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I think your exactly correct. It all fits; Rocco's suicide mission, the offer he couldn't refuse, Rocco's access to both Michael's room and the assassin's throats, and finally, Fredo's phone call response of "you lied to me." And this makes me think Fredo found out about Rocco's plan to kill Michael before it went down, before he said "you lied to me." Maybe Fredo only found out moments before or one day before but Rocco must have convinced Fredo that Michael would not be killed. And Fredo was stupid enough to believe Rocco because Fredo did nothing to shield his brother from Rocco's assassins. And Michael found out all of this and this is why he had to have him killed. You just can't run a business with people like Fredo around. Thank you so much for helping me put all of this together. This is why this is one of the greatest movies ever. Thirty years after release people still love to talk about it and there are plot twists that have been largely hidden.

@dontrapcorleone8907

3 жыл бұрын

It was Johnny ola on the phone not Rocco

@rxtsec1

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@vickiemace1238

2 жыл бұрын

Michael eventually killed Fredo (waiting for his mom to die first) because he not only know Fredo had something to do with it, but, because Fredo was so fricking stupid that he was an extreme liability to the family without enough brains to not fook * up again.

Great and thoughtful video thank you

Thanks for another interesting video

Maybe Kay..? She simmered a long time over Michael’s “business” and who knows? Maybe she got close with Fredo and- Nah.

@KutWrite

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Maybe Woody Allen (or Alvy Singer) told her to.

@TheBad63

2 жыл бұрын

Nah 😅

Why the heck would Al Neri be even be mentioned? His loyalty to Michael, seemed unbreakable.

@billslocum9819

3 жыл бұрын

Neri, like Tom, were semi-independent operators within the Lake Tahoe compound. They have opportunity, but no apparent motive. You have to consider the possibility as you work through the list of those with access to Mike's bedroom. He even mentioned Kay, so he's covering the bases.

@thomasbrown3356

3 жыл бұрын

Their bond reminds me of the one between Frank Underwood and Doug Stamper. House of Cards. Their devotion borders on the obscene. They would just as well, cut their wrists, than betray their boss.

@studinthemaking

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbrown3356 Good help is hard to find.

@jk1362

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting fact... Al Neri played Lou DiMaggio in sopranos

@studinthemaking

3 жыл бұрын

@@jk1362 Who was that on the show?

Finally! At last I understand Godfather II. Thank you. I would not have guessed Rocco. But it makes sense. I imagine that he got the same deal given to Frankie Fiveangels.

Very interesting suppositions have been brought up and these must be pondered thoroughly 🤔 ‼️

Probably not Rocco either. When Michael, Tom and Rocco discuss killing Roth, Rocco says "Difficult. Not Impossible." revealing that he's cocky, and probably certain that he could pull it off and get away. Therefore he might not consider it a suicide mission and not worry about it being Michael's way of eliminating him. But only Puzo and Francis, who wrote the script together, would know for sure, and Puzo is dead. In such cases, Francis often says "I really don't know..." and it has been a lot of years since they wrote it...

@bkdub6449

2 жыл бұрын

That was Al Neri

@rickdrais9737

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkdub6449 WATCH IT AGAIN. iT WAS ROCCO

Why did Kay just notice the drapes open after Michael comes in? She needs to be investigated

@monkface

2 жыл бұрын

Because she was asleep and they were closed when she went to sleep, but she woke up when he came in and asked Michael why were they open. He went to close them and that's when he figured it out-they had been opened because he was a target. (Or maybe Kay really did know and led him to the window with that question!!)

@IfGodWereEvilHedBeMe

2 жыл бұрын

@@monkface it’s a joke bro

@monkface

2 жыл бұрын

@@IfGodWereEvilHedBeMe I know which is why I agreed with you in parentheses in the end!🤓

@IfGodWereEvilHedBeMe

2 жыл бұрын

@@monkface gotcha yeah I didn’t read it all

@noblehouse5595

2 жыл бұрын

Wives/Moms will just about always shut the drapes before they go to sleep, but they also usually sleep lightly. I can't see anyone getting into that bedroom and Kay not knowing about it. So Kay is on the table as a traitor. Uncle Fredo had a favorite nephew. That favorite nephew left a message for his dad on a pillow. The young child might not understand why Uncle Fredo asked him to open the curtains. Fredo might have promised Anthony a fishing trip or anything else. Still it's a good guess.

Really good analysis. I think the Rocco theory holds a lot of water. Good catch!

😯 Wow! I never thought of it like that before but now I am totally convinced it was Rocco. Excellent video my guy 👍🏾

Rocco? Nah, something don't lay right.

I like the Rocco theory. It makes total sense. Even though the film leaves it up to the viewer to come up with it.

Amazing work brother!

Being a godfather trilogy fan I've watched it probably 25-30 times and I've always wondered the same thing. After watching your video I believe you hit the nail on the head and have already figured it out. 👍

@carlosa1038

2 жыл бұрын

What did he figure out? After watching the video,. We still don't know who did it. Anyone can speculate. We are left to make our own decision.

From the first time I saw the movie, I always had the nagging question why Rocco volunteered for a suicide mission. Thanks for answering that for me!

The idea that the enemy would come in and open the drapes, just so an assassin could shoot at the windows (and probably miss) is ridiculous. If they could get close enough to be in his bedroom, they'd just kill him right there. Sometimes you just have to accept that films have plot holes and things that make no sense. The Godfather films are no different.

I just watched it again recently and wondered about this very question for the first time and I have seen it at least a hundred times.

Excellent analysis, and plausible. Michael not only instructs Rocco to keep the assassins alive, he emphasizes it ("Rocco! Alive!") But the problem then becomes, if Roth paid off Rocco, what did he need Fredo for?

Kay might not have noticed they were open before she went to bed because Michael also didn’t notice when he came into the room. Rocco would never have been in the same room when Michael disclosed sensitive information if he thought he was thought a traitor and he could’ve assassinated Michael at any time and taken down the family if he was in any danger himself.

If kay went to bed and the drapes were closed. Someone snuck in and opened them. That's why she asked Michael who opened them. My guess it was fredo. He was smart not dumb. He also paid the price for being the traitor.

@babyfaceaviator7862

3 жыл бұрын

smart not dumb. made me lol at your comment

@mrmeerkat1096

3 жыл бұрын

I always assumed it was Frado and he lied about knowing it was going to be a hit. I forgot about the phone call where he says you lied to me. I think it is a plot hole. I think Coppola has overlooked it and not clarified the extent of Frados betrayal.

@alfredcollins3944

3 жыл бұрын

Not only was Fredo an idiot. But he was an idiot who did not know he was an idiot. Idiot can be sorta wise if he knows he is an idiot.

@johnzep9711

3 жыл бұрын

He was very spiteful. Dumb as a fox.

@babyfaceaviator7862

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfredcollins3944 I can't believe he told Mike he's smart, not dumb. And he was actually crying when he told it to him. This coming from a guy who dropped his gun when his father was shot and could only cry about it afterwards. Not only was he an idiot, he was also a coward. Tom Hagen deserved a place in the Family more than Fredo ever did

I never really thought about this, but the analysis and conclusion sound right.

I don’t know who opened the drapes ......😕😟😔😣😞............... But I DO know that everyone that has ever seen this series of films knows that they are nothing short of iconic, unlike SO many others others.....♥️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬🎬

Loving these videos! Could you do one on how/why Tessio betrayed the family?

@marciamusiak7666

Жыл бұрын

Tessio betrayed them for money, Michael said our people are businesspeople remember he said why it wasn't Clemenza because Tessio was always smarter, and it was the smart move.

It’s about honor. Rocco agreed to go into that mission as a payback to kill Roth. Rocco was the head of security and Roth’ attempt to kill Michael was a direct attack to Rocco’s life. Like when Don Tommasino was killed, Calò asked Michael the order to kill whoever did it; he accepted to kill Lucchesi knowing he was going to be killed too. It was a pay back for killing his master. For Rocco became a personal thing to kill Roth after the attempt on Michael s life.

@malinibai1133

2 жыл бұрын

Of all the possible explanations offered here, I think you have the most plausible one. The words honor and redemption are very important in this culture. Remember when Hagen tells Vincenzo Pentangeli after the Senate hearing 'the honor of your family is intact'?

@kelvinsantiagorodriguez8398

2 жыл бұрын

@@malinibai1133 I remember that scene. The honor and vendettas is a common thing among them. Gracias!

When the attempted assassination happened, Michael wasn't returning home from a day of business. Had you watched the film you would have known this happened on the same day as his son's First Communion party. Michael and Kay had been dancing later in the evening and Kay retired early and went to bed. Michael was already at the compound; he never left and returned. In fact not much later there is a scene with Michael talking to his son in bed, and Anthony tells him he gots lots of gifts but he didn't know the people that gave them to him.

I like your Rocco theory. Very interesting!!

Wouldn't Roth recognize Rocco at the airport if he was in on it?

@williamgallop9425

3 жыл бұрын

And why didn't Rocco use bulletproof vest?

@abdul-malikasad3785

3 жыл бұрын

Roth wouldn’t meet with an underling like Rocco. Johnny Ola would’ve done his dirty work and Ola was dead by the time Rocco got to Roth.

@williamgallop9425

3 жыл бұрын

Just remember they were heavy and bulky, compare vests in -84 on Terminator.

@samp3483

3 жыл бұрын

@@abdul-malikasad3785 possibly, however during the hearing the feds have a chart of the family, Rocco is on it. If the feds knew about Rocco, I would guess Roth would too.

@jasoncarswell7458

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamgallop9425 There was no need for Rocco to even get shot. He should have just shot him, dropped the gun and threw up his hands and been arrested.

I think it was Spider. He was really pissed when Tommy shot him in the foot.

@GHOST91141

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@williamgullett5911

3 жыл бұрын

Christopher Moltisanti sucked

@roymerritt348

3 жыл бұрын

What am I a mirage?

@DeejayNally

3 жыл бұрын

It happens

Really enjoying these videos! I think it was Fredo, and I think he knew it would be an assassination. I think Fredo wanted respect, and thought if he facilitated Michael's assassination he would be seen as both shrewd and ruthless.

I have no clue what in the heck happened w dem drapes lol but what I do know is that from now on, * bc of ur help btw TY Cineranter! when I add the pinch of nutmeg to the Alfredo rue, Fredo's gna always come to mind since he had to be the nut of the Corleone fam 😆

I've always assumed that Michael knew Rocco was involved and that's why he sent him on the suicide mission to kill Roth.

@jchris333

3 жыл бұрын

Yes yes. I’ve been thinking this for years

@justinmoreno6166

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was wild because Rocco could’ve said fuck that lol

May have been his sister in revenge for the murder and humiliation of her husband. Also unlikely that the hired help would be inside the intimate parts of the house at bedtime.

I enjoy this intelligent analysis.

This is great analysis - I'm enjoying these Godfather theory videos a lot. Have you considered doing on about who ordered the Pentangeli hit? I've always been uncertain about that plot point.

@vickiemace1238

2 жыл бұрын

That, was Rothstein. Pentangeli was left alive to want revenge on Michael for the attempt. Thus, he was going to testify against Michael.

The assassins came by boat with Johnny Ola, Fredo told them here Mike & Kay's bedroom was and maybe Kay didn't notice the drapes where open when she go ready for bed? I don't see Neri or Rocco being involved but I do see Johnny Ola slitting the throats of the would be killers then leaving by boat during the commotion.

@cheyennegalen

3 жыл бұрын

No, Kay noticed. All women notice if the drapes are open when they get ready for bed.

@MgtowRubicon

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheyennegalen Why wouldn't she shut the drapes before getting into bed? When she awoke, she obviously knew the situation was not normal. Someone else quietly got into the bedroom after she was asleep, and then Michael's entry awakened her and then she saw the open drapes. That means the party guests were all excused from the compound much earlier; only the "bad guys" surreptitiously hid in Fredo's residence. Fredo opened the drapes and returned to his residence to establish an alibi; Fredo thought it was supposed to be a kidnapping. The shooters went back to Fredo's residence for safe escape. Fredo was supposed to provide a safe escape for the "kidnapping", but then realized it was a hit attempt and ordered his loyal men to whack the shooters.

@swimminwitdafishes8059

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheyennegalen One of the most accurate observations on this subject.

In the books written after Puzo died. Rococo was suspected by Mike of helping Kay get an abortion. By a doctor in Vegas that works at the hotel.

oh wow nice find!

Very interesting and well-presented.

Perfect analysis. Rocco is the culprit.

@MrJamberee

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Rocco would be the only one who could access the bedroom to open the drapes. He could come up with a “security” reason if caught in the room, and he would be sharp enough to set it up. And the killing of the assassins had to be by somebody they trusted.

The assassin would have needed to gain entry to Michael's bedroom with his wife sleeping. Connie.

@fivehundrediq5212

3 жыл бұрын

From the last part of the first movie to the beginning of the second movie, she’s still pissed off at Micheal for killing her husband, In the 3rd movie she’s orders the hit on Joey Zasa & personally kills another mob boss

@dlinfrost

2 жыл бұрын

@@fivehundrediq5212 whoa! Mind blown!

@brianpugh6707

2 жыл бұрын

Connie is a good bet...

@denniscerasoli6209

2 жыл бұрын

When they found his body it wasn't one of them it's really of no importance the question is who ordered the hit on Mike it was Hyman Roth for whacking Moe Greene in Vegas.

@richgenther3519

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! She hates Michael! Then Fredo can be the Don and she can puppet him

Jhonny orla calls fredo in middle of the night and says "we need some more help" so either fredo opened the drapes or fredo helped jhonny access the Anthony's communion by way of boat..

The last explanation sounds like the best. this is very interesting.

Awesome video. I think it was Rocco as well. On another note, only 5 more months until the Saints of Newark!

@brettmajors69karaoke

3 жыл бұрын

In theaters or on Amazon, Hulu, Netflix?

@tb3621

3 жыл бұрын

@@brettmajors69karaoke I believe it will be on HBO Max and in theaters.

Michael told Tom that he loved and trusted him and that all the others were business men and that their loyal had a price. I don’t think Fredo wanted to kill Michael because he said that he didn’t know it was a hit and that they told him that there would be something in it for Fredo, without Michael having to give it to him. I don’t know why Rocco would take on a suicide mission and I’m not sure he was the one who opened the windows. There were plenty others around that could have done. I think Neri and Rocco were high enough up not to be traitors. Remember Rocco begged Michael to go back inside during the search.

Great video, as usual. Have you read The Godfather Returns and The Godfather's Revenge? Random House had Mark Winegardner write novels that took place between 1 and 2, and 2 and 3. I haven't read them in a decade, but I think they do a good job of addressing plot holes and/or mysteries in the movies.

@CineRanter

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, I read them recently for the first time and have reviews coming out soon