David fincher is one of my favorite directors: seven, gone girl, fight club, girl with the dragon tattoo, zodiac, social network and his show mindhunter all of them to me are just masterful storytelling

@pabloop9891

3 жыл бұрын

House of cards is also a really good series by him

@jamesbombss5777

2 жыл бұрын

I like all his work except for Mank and Alien

@Pau182pau

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! He is the best!!! also i like lord's of Dogtown

@bmxriderforlife1234

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I agree except gwtdt. It's his only flop. And partially because the actor for bloomkvist is over rated by a huge margin. And wasn't the right pick for the role. Everything else is fire though.

@mrconroy4672

10 ай бұрын

@@bmxriderforlife1234 I can’t really say the same for the original Swedish sequels. The original movie was fine, the follow ups lost their luster.

I've watched both versions a few years back, and surely Fincher has made a beautiful film, but then the swedish version felt more authentic to me.

@lynntomaino2925

4 жыл бұрын

Geta Rasciuc i agree with you. I felt nearer to the characters and story without all of the extra drama

@cherryblossom7944

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you I agree

@jimevert7099

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true.

@thebovineavenger

3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU> The nuance is more real in the Swedish version. In America you have to SPELL everything out. Where as in the Swedish version. You MUST observe.

@cherryblossom7944

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebovineavenger Exactly!

I watched the American version first not knowing a swedish version existed...I have since watched both and I feel the original does feel more authentic, it's cold, stoic and scarily believable. The American one is beautifully shot as you have shown but feels like it takes place in another world.

@mrconroy4672

10 ай бұрын

Speaking of the Swedish version, did you actually see the sequels to the 2009 original?

@zamurai_the_producer

10 ай бұрын

@@mrconroy4672 I have not, at the time I tried to watch them they where only available on a streaming service that I did not have...i will need to fix that now though

@justsomegirlwithoutamustache

7 ай бұрын

I much prefer the American version, but I can see the believability in the Swedish one. It does spoon-feed you a lot of information in such a short time which I find offputting. I also think the Swedish version being authentic to the book doesn't automatically make it better. Fincher is a master storyteller which is far better than doing it verbatim. He translated a great piece of fiction in a different but way better. Also a bonus for the soundtrack

@musashimiyamoto586

5 ай бұрын

@@justsomegirlwithoutamustache Believability? Is that even a word? If it is, that is what Fincher's version lacked to me. Talking about believable, anybody who read the book (and has seen the original film) will know that Daniel Craig as the proverbial Bond and action star is NOT the right man for the role. And finding a weird character/actress for Lisbet's part doesn't makle the end result any better. With Noomi Rapace the role was cast perfectly, anybody else was sure to lose out. Also, you don't have to make a cinematographic masterpiece out of a good story in order to entertain. It seems to me you are not too familiar with what is called Nordic Noir and what fantastic movies and series it has come up with. And those desperate attempts to convert them (e.g. Forbrydelsen in The Killing and Broen into The Bridge) into successful copies in the US.

@justsomegirlwithoutamustache

5 ай бұрын

@@musashimiyamoto586 yes believability is a word. Also you sound mad

I wished Fincher finished the rest of the adaptations. Absolutely loved Rooney Mara here.

So sad he didn’t get the budget for the whole trilogy

@elizabethsedai854

6 жыл бұрын

Santiago that's NOT why they didn't make the full trilogy, actually. Mostly what I've heard is that Daniel Craig had scheduling issues and conflicts with whatever James Bond film he was going to (maybe) work on and couldn't synch up with Rooni Mara and Fincher's schedules. But that's just info I heard floating around the web:/ now they're doing The Girl in the Spider's Web or whatever and no one from the Fincher version is involved at all. It's a real shame that they couldn't get it together because between the cast, director, Screenwriter, and Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on the soundtrack, they would've been fantastic! :/ I suppose these things happen.... xo

@shadow.banned

5 жыл бұрын

Lady Elizabeth Giving people what they want. Except the exact opposite. "People won't notice." Wrong.

@lukryboria

5 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the cast couldn’t fit together and now a super low budget stranger production with super unknown “actors” had the horrifying (and in my opinion very unfair) idea to take the right to “finish” the 4th book that Stieg Larsson couldn’t end before dying by inventing what I bet is gonna be an awful story so they can do a “movie” that will officially be recognised as the 2nd of the serie that Fincher started. The atrocious thing is that the story of practically 3 books will be missing because of this (I already see as) unsuccessful guys that will ruin everything and I simply can’t accept it is going to officially be THE sh*tty sequel of this Masterpiece. Rooney loved so much this role that she never mentally got out. She said she put everything in Lisbeth, she seriously put a hole in her face, didn’t eat, smoked, learn to ride the bike... She basically squeezed herself like a poor lemon to portrait this amazing being that I’d like to underline suffers from Asperger Syndrome and no one else captured it so well and seriously. The next actress really doesn’t have the face, nor the body... As soon as you look at her you instantly know she’ll never do this. Not a thing. Plus the “actor” chosen for Blomkvist is ridiculously younger than her if I’m not wrong.

@antigen4

5 жыл бұрын

so sad the swedish director didnt' get close to the AMERICAN version budget ahaha

@SchulzEricT

5 жыл бұрын

+Tom Marvolo Riddle Actually, a Swedish author was chosen to continue Larsson's Millenium triology; he wrote Girl in the Spider's Web and a 5th book as well. I forget the title. But both were quite good. The two new ones really fit quite well within the series; I'd've likely not even realized that the new two were by a different author if I only had the books to go by. The two new ones addressed Lisbeth's backstory more than the original trilogy, which is different... but they're different books. I can't say for sure whether or not Larsson wanted to leave her history a mystery or if he would've filled it in similar to the new author. Perhaps the new author actually got her history from Larsson's notes; the history really fit very well with what we already know about her.

What I like in European films is that the actors aren’t Barbie and Ken. They have wrinkles and scars and actually look their ages. So much more true to life. I did prefer the Swedish version, but the opening sequence in the American version was amazing.

@seanceknowles2911

2 жыл бұрын

I liked Rooney’s Lisbeth and she matches in my head what she looks like in the books. Very young, and really petite and pale. Some who Looks like they can’t hurt a fly but she is strong and explosive. In my head Mikeal was very handsome even for his age. None of the ascots is what I expected but they grew on me.

@sitcomchristian6886

2 жыл бұрын

I liked the 2011 Lisbeth's look the best, she didn't look attractive. Which, with her history, makes sense that she would want to make herself and asexual as possible. The others still seemed beautiful. I'm sure someone disagrees, but that's my opinion :)

@seansmith5468

2 жыл бұрын

The character development for the protagonist in Finches version is more dynamic regardless of form.

@dcotai2902

2 жыл бұрын

....interesting examples reverse engineer..movie script then book... Where then..?

@sharknado623

2 жыл бұрын

Because we actually focus on acting, not about looking good. A lot of American actors wouldn't have a career in Europe.

I became a Noomi Rapace fan after seeing the Swedish version. So I was stubbornly attached to her as Lisbeth Salander and wasn’t giving Rooney Mara a fair chance. I immediately knew that the Fincher version was far superior but I clung to Noomi’s portrayal. I’m still a Noomi Rapace fan but what Rooney Mara accomplished was amazing and her version of Lisbeth fits what is in the book. I’m sorry it took me so long to get there. I now believe David Fincher’s The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is a masterpiece.

It’s interesting. The cinematography and colour palette is more cinematic in finches version but there are subtle differences that change the storytelling too. In the section meeting lizbeth for the first time it tells you different things about her character her being in the room first or being late.

@Donnerbalken28

Жыл бұрын

The manner she is introduced is also different. In the Swedish version, her boss is introducing her to Frode like he would introduce an odd relative with weird taste. In the American version, he is notably tense and puts a special emphasis that he is only doing this because Frode requested it, giving the impression that he is somewhat protective of her.

As a Swede, I must say that Fincher's version is better in some regards but the original version feels more realistic to me. I believe this is beacuse the new version is for an international audience while the original was made for a Swedish audience in mind. For example, the scene where Blomquist gets off the train and travels to the estate feels much more natural to me in the Swedish version. Fincher's dramatic scenes however feels weird and unrealistic. Of course, if you haven't been to real places in Sweden like these you might be more easliy convinced tha's how they really are.

@lenoresmith8062

4 жыл бұрын

Agree with you 100 percent the swedish version,to me, is for fans of the books

@largol33t1

4 жыл бұрын

I do not understand why so many criticize Noomi Rapace's performance. She was great as Lisbeth. I feel Rooney Mara was too mild-mannered. Having read one of the books, Noomi's version is exactly how I envision Lisbeth's personality. One funny fact: in the remake, Stellan Skarsgard said being in the remake was easy because, for the first time in his acting career, he could drive home from the set and sleep in his own bed!

@gardeningandlife137

4 жыл бұрын

yeah I'm American and I cant believe they let Fincher butcher it, naomi s performance cant be copied

@NostalgiNorden

4 жыл бұрын

As a swede i must say that you are dead wrong. the swedish version is utter crap.

@NostalgiNorden

4 жыл бұрын

@@largol33t1 Noomi Rapace ws 10 years to old and her perfomance was crap. It wasn't untill i saw the Fincher version that i understood what Lisbeth was all about.

I like the version with Rapace in it, i felt the tension, and much more gloomy

@aj.d.9096

6 ай бұрын

As someone just watching this comparison, I can't see any gloom in the Swedish version. Especially the lighting design. Fincher's version sets a mood, the Swedish version looks like it was all shot in bright daylight with no attempt to alter the vibe.

@justsomegirlwithoutamustache

4 ай бұрын

Yup@@aj.d.9096

@Goutham1826

Ай бұрын

Lmao there was no tension or atmosphere in the 2009 one. So many shots had too much light and felt cheap tbh

I'll never forget seeing Fincher's version in the theater, when sail away starts playing there was a laugh from the audience... probably the only one in the entire movie but it worked so well. Fincher is a master director.

I found the actors in the Swedish version much more believevable!

@LeeLee19901

2 жыл бұрын

Yes especially noomi rapace

@kcush8258

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeeLee19901 agree, I like Roony Mara but she made Lisbeth a little softer character which did not match what I felt she was in the books. Noomi nailed it.

@LeeLee19901

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcush8258 so true

@madztorya

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeeLee19901 true

@plisskenetic

2 жыл бұрын

That's just plain biase. Repace is the only one comparable. The other foreign actors were either dull or over the top as heck.

Swedish Version was so raw and authentic, which i love about. There were no scenes trying to make things more eye candy .

@lloydtxw

Жыл бұрын

It’s a visual medium. It’s supposed to be eye candy.

@majimasmajimemes1156

Жыл бұрын

@@lloydtxw If you want eye candy, watch commercials. The visuals in a movie are supposed to serve the story, not the other way around. A movie about misogyny, in-family murder and incestuous sexual abuse isn't supposed to look "beautiful".

@lloydtxw

Жыл бұрын

@@majimasmajimemes1156 If you think film isn’t supposed to consider aesthetics and exists solely to push a narrative, you’re very ignorant about both film and the concept of art in general. The movie is a procedural, both versions, a dry one at that. If you have no eye for framing or production design or any other aesthetic choice that dually serves as stylistic and a narrative device, just say so. You think a specific selection of color scheme, camera angle, diegetic/non-diegetic sound, costume, location…say nothing about character, environment, motivation? Where do you think mise en scene comes from? It’s creating a narrative with visuals/aesthetics, literally ‘setting the stage’ to tell a story. Those choices absolutely make a difference. Maybe Google a little harder before saying stupid things.

@majimasmajimemes1156

Жыл бұрын

@SmithOst72 bro I fucking work in the industry. Everything you just listed is accurate but has nothing to do with your original comment? All of that works in favor of the original. You're just reducing the meaning of aesthetics to "looking pretty". Comes off like you kust watched a couple of video essays on filmmaking and now consider yourself an expert, while, ironically, being incredibly ignorant about the complexities of visual art. Maybe try googling harder next time.

@lindathompson3982

Жыл бұрын

Majimas: I appreciate your sentiments; all have opinions & preferences, certainly...makes life interesting. Thank you for how succinctly particular you were in your observations and the parameters of your vantage point. In this way, I understand and agree.

I preferred the original in spite of having to read the captions.

@hrh4961

4 жыл бұрын

Tried the dubbed version. Poor. Went back to the captions pretty quickly.

@privatear2001

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I actually did get the dubbed Canadian version and that even seemed to go pretty well with the lip movements for the most part (I may be biased bc I'm from Canada). It wasn't like watching the American dubbed version of "Enter the Dragon" or something where the lips would be moving for a minute beyond the English translation. :)

The Swedish film was much less polished and brought an authenticity to the story that connected more. IMO

@plisskenetic

2 жыл бұрын

Connected more, aha

@777SNYM

2 жыл бұрын

@@plisskenetic why are you laughing

@tinkersailorhead4360

2 жыл бұрын

Right. It has this dry and straight forward quality of north european film making which is kind of unique.

@alighieroalighieri404

Жыл бұрын

@@plisskenetic Are you an idiot? No need to answer, it is pretty clear that you are.

@mrconroy4672

10 ай бұрын

I see, what would be your take on the sequels done as a follow up on the 2009 original.

I saw both versions and read the books. I think it really comes down to individual preference. The reasons for me liking the Mara/Craig version better is twofold: 1. I liked the acting performance especially of Rooney Mara better than the swedish actors. 2. The swedish version stays very close to the book. While I usually would prefer this, it is in my humble opinion in this very case not a good choice. The plots in the book and all the back-stories of the characters are so complex and detailed and you need to read the book thoroughly to get a good comprehension why the characters act the way they do. In the swedish version, almost all important scenes from the book are present in the film, but due to the time constraints of a feature length film, they felt to me sometimes like a sequence of individual scenes where the "glue" is missing. Without having read the book, I would not have been able to fill in the gaps. Fincher and the script writer took a different approach: they omitted some of the background plots but took more time to connect the filmed scenes together. I was more immersed by the cinematography and sound choices as well. Overall, I would really have liked to see Rooney in the remainder of the trilogy - I thought she put out a spectacular performance.

@plisskenetic

7 ай бұрын

You manage to articulate this way better unlike all those commentators here who just frankly say the Swedish is better just bcoz they say so... coz clearly they're just against American remakes and nothing more.

@Goutham1826

Ай бұрын

​@@plisskeneticyeah i see so many people who are prejudiced against american films. Even though im. Not American , it feels annoying after a point

I understand that Fincher's pretty good at what he does, but don't you think he has the added benefit of seeing the faults of the previous film and fixing what he thought was wrong? BTW, I enjoyed your comparison and look forward to many more.

@SceneCraft

7 жыл бұрын

rpenn79 Steve Zalian, the screenwriter of the American version, said he avoided watching the Swedish version.

@rpenn79

7 жыл бұрын

SceneCraft wow, thank you, that's a very interesting piece of information

@peculiarlyana6497

7 жыл бұрын

rpenn79 couldnt say fixig what is wrong it iust he done better without the first the sec wouldnt come

@peculiarlyana6497

7 жыл бұрын

SceneCraft thats a bluff. Everything bare the resemblance

@jaypee4188

7 жыл бұрын

Peculiar Lyana No, they are incredibly different. Same basic ingredients, totally different recipe. One is feeding you a hot dog, the other, Filet Mignon.

Fincher's version is amazing, very artistic and I appreciate that in a film. It's the kind of cinematography and attention to details that reminds me of the Hannibal series - dark mood, lots of tension. The scenery and the soundtrack plus the great acting.. it's just perfect. I rewatched it many times and never got bored. Rooney did a great job, she and Daniel were a very good match.

When Salander arrives to meet Friedman in the Fincher movie her hair is raised in a Mohawk style. How would her hair have stayed up while wearing a motor bike helmet? Just a thought!

Like a lot of other people commenting, I have a heavy preference of the Swedish film because of its autenthic atmosphere and rough but far more believable characters. The film is based on my favorite book of all time, and even though I’m from Denmark and read it in Danish, what gained it this status was exactly its incredibly authentic and believable atmosphere, which is why this aspect also means so much to me in the film. Great job, Niels Arden Oplev!

Ok, I'm gonna disagree with you about the reveal of the "answer" of the paintings. The original reveal is more stylish and dramatic - nothing wrong with that. Fincher uses the pov of the character. Neither of these director choices is "better" than the other, because they're stylistic, personal choices and they both work for the scene. Also, budget IS important, because a bigger film will have more time to shoot and more resources to shoot with. Fincher edits digitally (and I assume shoots that way too) so he will be able to perfect every single take. Most films don't have the budget - therefore the luxury that he has to get everything so perfect. The original was probably shot on film, and so would have taken longer on average to shoot. This means that the director was already limited by their choices of shots and compositions.

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

Sash As Filmmaker also...I think all three films were released the same year too

@levischorpioen

5 жыл бұрын

The original reveal makes us wonder the exact same thing as our lead character. The other film handles it in a way that we're left wondering something completely different.

@privatear2001

3 жыл бұрын

Budget is important. All three of the first movies came out the same year in 2009. They were probably shot on a smaller budget for all three combined than for the Hollywood version. I wonder about this: If Fincher had been under the same financial restraints (13 million vs 90 million) would he have truly produced a "better" movie? I'm glad someone had the money to produce a complete trilogy... because I doubt Hollywood will. :)

@Goutham1826

Ай бұрын

Fincher is easily a better director

I think, without a doubt that FIncher's film is one of the COLDEST movies ever made. And I mean that literally-I watch that film and I get chills; the low temperature is OPPRESSIVE. It's antagonistic. Atmosphere is just SCREAMING IN YOUR FACE without really saying a word. It's awesome.

@amandamfds

6 жыл бұрын

Bijinius Cross Agree. The worst part for me happened when Mikael was freezing his ass in that cabin!

@xlhits

4 жыл бұрын

100000%

@justsomegirlwithoutamustache

7 ай бұрын

Yea, it feels so cold and isolated

@sew_gal7340

6 ай бұрын

I think anything in America is big, explosive, and maximum pleasure....the food portions are big, the body is big, the lips are big, the houses are big, the attitude is big....everything is excessive and more! MORE MORE!!! Just extreme everything, no place for gentleness or softness...no meekness or sweetness...just dialed to the max.

"Expert & Auteur" would have been a far more correct title. Calling the first film's direction as average seems pretty dismissive and uninformed.

This was a brilliant analysis and comparison evaluation for the movie - Definitely make more of these for screenplays. Its awesome.

Can you please do a similar comparison between "Let the right one in" and "Let me in" ?

@TheTrailerCREAT0R

6 жыл бұрын

gnarlin let the right one in is superior to let me in but let me in isn’t too bad.

@Stewbular

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my God Another superior European film Remade for no good reason But to celebrate mediocrity

When I clicked on this video, I actually thought the Expert one was the Swedish one and vice versa. I prefer the Swedish one, it could be because I am Swedish, but I think HB says it best in another comment. The Swedish one is much more realistic and targeted to a Swedish audience. Some of the shots you mentioned I feel are better in the Swedish, like the reveal of the flowerpaintings. And you talk about how Fincher creates a dark, suffering, thriller feeling throughout the movie. But if you have that feeling all the time you will not get the adrenaline-kick you get when it goes from normal to thrilling, like it does in several scenes. An example is the "Blomquist is running in the woods, and then get shot at-scene!

@stevebutler812

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Exactly. But, Americans wouldn't get that because they use all the tricks to impress.

@privatear2001

3 жыл бұрын

The Swedish version was much better. I've watched the trilogy at least 20 times. I've seen the 2011 one only twice - first to see what the hubbub was about and a second time to compare it to the 2009 one. I have the trilogy on disc and whenever I get the chance, I show it to friends. Once stayed at the house of a friend who taught design at RISD. He really liked the film. There were two other guys had come over from the west coast for a month and we all watched the trilogy, the whole six hours worth or however long it was, in one sitting. Wouldn't even think of showing them the Hollywood version! :)

@BenjaminBlodgettDev

3 жыл бұрын

I've only seen Fincher's version and I saw it today. The running in the woods scene scared the shit out of me so I don't understand wtf you mean with that.

@salenawaaka6258

2 жыл бұрын

Im a New Zealander and i waaay prefer the Sweedish version. Better acting all round, better character insight, the story makes sense. All this stretching annoyed me lol

@mrconroy4672

10 ай бұрын

True, although the sequels to the original Swedish movie did loose their luster. I’m thankful that fincher has a strict no sequel rule after alien 3.

This is one of my favorite videos on this platform! You're great! :D

I love how the remake emotes a lot of feeling. I think people are missing the point of this video...

@yvonneshanson1525

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, because people nowadays are emotionally stunned and prefer acting which permits them to remain numb.. - which is the opposite of what any art should aim for tbh...

Saw the entire Swedish trilogy in the theatre before Fincher's version was even announced and I loved it but still I went into the remake with an open mind, wanting to like it just as much. Unfortunately I think the only improvement beyond some (as you said, better funded) cinematography, was the opening credits. Otherwise in almost all other regards I prefer the crime/puzzle framework of the original and thought Fincher spent too much time focused on making things look cool. I cared more about the characters in the original and was more invested in their journey. I appreciated Rooney Mara's performance, but I felt far more connected to Noomi Rapace's. Sort of related to that, there was a scene that was changed drastically from the original that I also never understood: in the Swedish version Lisbeth is mugged in the subway station and when she tries to resist she's brutally beaten and fails- whereas the American version has Lisbeth succeed in getting her bag back and even gets to slide down the escalator, looking like a badass. In both cases she's forced to buy a new laptop but the original conveys Lisbeth's struggle to physically match her mental determination. She's been a victim for most of her life and continues to be until she finally makes the turn within the plot of the film and is finally able to exact revenge and seek justice. The remake just had a cool, empty action sequence that conveyed nothing. And lastly I disagree that the original film wasn't asking questions. It was just asking *different* ones. For instance with the scene where Vanger reveals the flowers- in the sequel they're talking about something of importance and you dont immediately know what it is. But in the original you're *shown* the thing (shot in a dynamic pullback that I thought was more interesting) and the immediate question is *why* are these important. I appreciated your analysis, but I do think it would serve you to have a more balanced approach next time. You started the video by saying Fincher's remake was by and far superior to the film it nearly mimicked scene for scene, and you just whistled that tune all the way through.

@SchulzEricT

5 жыл бұрын

He wasn't making it up as he went along, he knew Fincher's was better because he'd already watched them both and analyzed them. He wasn't saying it was better merely to challenge himself to justify it as he went along. He analyzed the movies and came to a conclusion, then gave us the thesis statement, then gave us evidence to support it. As far as Lisbeth being beaten in the Swedish version: I don't know how you can defend that as more in character. She *is* a badass, and having her get beaten up really doesn't do justice to her character. She can take care of herself, in every way. She was that from the start, she was resourceful and tough even as a child. It's incredibly rare that we see anybody get the drop on her; Burman does, but she immediately gets him back. Because that's who she is.

@Wake-Less

5 жыл бұрын

Completelt agree Marie

@kaptenlemper

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I found that Fincher's version didn't have the tension and dread of the original. I'll agree that Fincher's cinematography is superior, but aside from that I found the overall movie to not have improved on the original all that much.

@plisskenetic

5 жыл бұрын

Completely DISagree with all your comments d.marie. The swedish version is so bland and straightforward but Fincher does it with far MORE craft and better storytelling and unfolding the plot, as proven in this video. You mentioned that mugging scene, I thought it was just over-the-top in the swedish version while the US version executes it more practically and doesn't really show her as a badass, just as a protaganist who thinks. Seems to me you're just disdainful of US remakes and can't properly assess films in general.

@veronikavartanova4044

5 жыл бұрын

@@plisskenetic the point about Lizbet being a badass that fought to get her backpack, and came out on top without being badly beaten - I agree that it makes it harder to believe she would deem it acceptable (if only barely and to gauge him for future set up) to submit to her new scumbag of a guardian without any active verbal or phyisical resistance, only a couple scenes later. Where was that badass when she was forced by him that first time? This immideately felt like a glaring inconsistency.. However, other then that I absolutely agree that the remake improved virtually on every aspect of this story, especially in its editing, cinematography, and overal visual presentation.

I'm surprised this is the only video in your channel. Your analysis here is very well constructed and compelling, you should make more of these.

@TheRyanMackfall

6 жыл бұрын

seconded!

@michaeljohn1462

6 жыл бұрын

Demétrius Carvalho Thirded

@fahad1584

6 жыл бұрын

maybe he is already a director now. lol

@SceneCraft

6 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks. This was a one-off, but perhaps I'll make some more if I get hooked by another idea.

@kyleclark8522

5 жыл бұрын

please do. this video is fantastic

I watched and loved the original version on it’s release, and having read the books was completely satisfied with its portrayal of the story, because, before we all crawl up each others backsides, whilst cinema is a visual art form, it’s first and foremost about storytelling. When I heard Hollywood was making a copy I feared the worst, but I watched it, and every single one of my fears were confirmed. The trilogy was absolutely Swedish, and was absolutely the story of Lizbeth, one film understood this, the other film not only ignored this, it completely twisted it. Let’s not even mention the casting of non Swedish actors in the main roles, because obviously it must be hard to find competent Swedish actors? But they basically destroyed the character of Lizbeth, to the point that she needs to ask permission to go after the killer towards the end of the movie. You can take all the “beautiful” camera work, and “expert” scene composition and shove it up your arse… One film was exactly what it needed to be, the other was the worst kind of disaster that seems to always happen when navel gazing arseholes mess with real art, to make dollars…

@miroslavjanecek9993

Жыл бұрын

1. Why would swedish actors play in american movie? (And actually Stellan Skarsgard was there) 2. Main characters in the novel are both Mikael and Lisbeth, not just Lisbeth. Both movies balanced it well. The Fincher movie is maybe little more oriented towards Mikael. It didn't twist anything.

@TWHueyGuitar

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Lisbeth loses all agency once she asks permission to go after the killer. Her asking is out of character and an affront to the novels themselves. Mostly people seem to love the Fincher version because it's Fincher with money creating a slick, market produced product. Fincher's version is sterile and lacks the gritty punches the Swedish version got right.

@Goutham1826

Ай бұрын

Im not American or Swedish. And i prefer Finchers version. I find it much more artistic, cold, thrilling. It had better characterization, perfomances, music etc. Swedish version was great but had no atmosphere, tension or anything.

@atheist666

Ай бұрын

@@Goutham1826 Your comment would be relevant if I was talking about individual preferences, plus your opinions are your own, and lend no weight to the values of either production. One was accurate, designed to highlight “man” made social issues in Sweden with a empowering female lead, and one was trite, cliched and had “james bond” as the lead, being designed for a socially bankrupt American audience.

@Goutham1826

Ай бұрын

@@atheist666 American version is objectively better only biased swedes would prefer Swedish one

Rooney's Lisbeth was not Rooney Mara acting as Lisbeth Salander, she WAS Lisbeth. Every description in the book, she embodied. It was as if Lisbeth jumped out of the book and into the screen. She is brilliant.

@belindacoba5158

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agreed, Rapace's version was just ok, but Mara´s version was impecable.

@carloszestyboy2901

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. Rooney Mara will always be Lisbeth Salander in my head.

@yvonneshanson1525

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloszestyboy2901 same!🏍

@Lucy-dx8rc

7 ай бұрын

No way! Rapace is the best Lisbeth.

@michaelhawkins7389

6 ай бұрын

@@Lucy-dx8rc No ... they are both great but Rooney she added more depth to the charter

This only makes me want the other two more! It was a great movie based on only the first in an amazing trilogy. I watched the Swedish version just so I could see the completed trilogy.

@colbs237

6 жыл бұрын

I do not agree with this analysis at all. The original version was so much more beautiful and mysterious and inviting.

@JackLively

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that the story is *supposed* to be beautiful or inviting though. It's a story that focuses on a young woman who's been abused by the state for years, and it involves rape, murder and conspiracy. It's not a *fun* story. The analysis is perfect. Fincher's film is vastly superior to Oplev's. However, that's not to say that Oplev's is bad. As a series, the Swedish version is really good. Great acting and a fascinating story. However, Fincher was able to take that same story, (along with a much higher budget, granted) and completely rebuilt it, carefully analysing each segment so that it was the best it could be. I didn't care much for Oplev's Lisbeth. I found her to be a bit offputting, and I'm not sure why, but her character came across as fairly contrived. However, Fincher's Lisbeth seemed much more complex as a person. I felt a mix of emotions watching her, and felt far more invested in her story. Undeniably, the Fincher film is better, but Oplev's deserves some massive credit. It's good in its own right. Had I not seen the Fincher version, I would have liked the Oplev version, but not thought much about it later. Fincher's version is able to draw me in more effectively, because of the narrative pacing, as well as the characterisations. You may not like Fincher, but you can't deny his skill. I just think it's a crime that the film wasn't a success. I don't know what constitutes a "success" but I guess it's just one of those things that's not meant to be.

@armandocesar3954

6 жыл бұрын

the other two arent worthi it

@ThelouwseFD

6 жыл бұрын

Read the books !Nothing can beat them !

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

colby phelps AbsuhLootlay

Still watching, but I disagree with your assessment of the framed flowers. You're basing your conclusion on the structure of Oplev's scene on the structure of Fincher's scene. You can't do that, especially since Oplev's scene came first. You have to examine both scenes as though they are the only one the viewer has seen. The framed flowers are only an answer in Fincher's film. In Oplev's film, they are the question. "What is the deal with all these framed flowers?" That's Oplev's question. Now, I do like Fincher's structure better here, but you have to give both films a fair assessment. I'll watch the rest, but it looks like you're just gearing up for a Fincher lovefest here.

@laurawalsh2829

5 жыл бұрын

Just an observation: I liked the Swedish introduction of the flowers better: when the end result of the killings is revealled, I suddenly remembered the framed flowers were presented the same way -- plus the visual pan of the photos of the girls: they're faces to the stories we've been told by Lisbeth's research. As a journalist, I found watching the Swedish version -- and the scope of Blomquist's research -- told it's own story: we are discovering what he is seeing. It matches footwork and technology nicely: Blomquist's old school, vs. Salander's techno-savvy approach. There is good visual story-telling here.

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

The ages old trope of film making is "show, don't tell." Fincher TELLS (through verbalized questions) the audience that there is something mysterious coming...in effect, telegraphing the blow. In the Swedish version, we are SHOWN the framed flowers and are left to ask our own questions: "what is the deal with this unusual setting?" The Swedish version actively engages the viewer in the kind of thought process Blomquist is being made to experience. That is SUPERIOR film making. Swedish version for the WIN! Fwiw, I do like the American version...but with this story, the contrast of visual tour de force vs. gritty psychological drama tilts in favor of the real as opposed to the artful. Obviously, the Fincher version is more visually fetching, but the artfulness is so thick I am never more than an observer, whereas the news gathering quality of the Swedish version is so intense because of the matter-of-factness it presents. Basically, the American version makes me an observer. The Swedish version makes me a participant.

@vinicio985

4 жыл бұрын

@@KravMagoo You are so damn right

@KravMagoo

4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianmeerman6493 Tbh, the movies had already climaxed for me by the time the denouement happens. I was already smoking a cigarette at that point and barely remember any of it, Swedish or American. Maybe Italian next time?

@BryanLomax

3 жыл бұрын

I was totally thinking the same thing about the flower scene. As soon as we see the flowers in the original I'm like, "what's the deal with all these flowers?" So you're totally right. Oplev still asks the question. It's just not the same question. And it's not dragged out unnecessarily. But I say that as an absolute Fincher fan. Dude is one of my favourite filmmakers.

Rooney mara is perfection in fincher's version. such a rich character.

Totally agree. Fincher is at the top of his game. I can watch the fincher version over and over and never tire of it.

Michael Nyqvist RIP

Despite Finchers technical prowess, and command of cinematic language and the tighter script... I still remember liking the original Swedish one more for whatever reason. I think it was just the story and characters who did more for me in that version. Good analysis still.

@edwardfridie637

7 жыл бұрын

I had the same feeling.

@evilmoif

7 жыл бұрын

Me too. Fincher's version is far too slick, far too polished. It reeks of aesthetic bias.

@cynicreviewer

7 жыл бұрын

Aesthetic bias? Dear god that sounds pretentious. What does that even mean, biased to having good cinematography? I get that you can call something superficial or prioritizing art over substance, but better cinematography by itself never makes a film worse. If you want a plain story with just focused plot and dialogue read a book, the aesthetic aspects are part of the craft so if you don't appreciate them you're just not as into films as some of the rest of us

@evilmoif

7 жыл бұрын

As you stated in your other comment; 'Fincher's version is tainted or darkened in every scene'. That is an aesthetic bias. Fincher uses filters and other tricks to manipulate the viewer according to his own personal aesthetic. What you see in the Fincher version is no longer a depiction of reality, but rather a stylised parody of reality based on Fincher's personal tastes. The original doesn't do this, it tells the same story without any such pretension. What you see in the Swedish version looks like real people in actual places. What you see in Fincher's version by comparison is actors moving through digitised paintings.

@cynicreviewer

7 жыл бұрын

It's strongly debatable to call that pretension. Most american films have at least a small taint to it, action films tend to look a bit more orange, thrillers tend to look a bit more blue, romantic comedies are brightened in general. If you don't like the look that's fine, but that's a personal critique not an objective one. Realism is assessed in many ways, is the american one less realistic because it has more visual techniques, or is the swedish film less realistic because the actor playing Blomkvist never has a facial expression?

Truly brilliantly edited video and analysis. You should do more videos. You've got a real skill for it. And David Fincher is a master filmmaker. Couldn't agree more with this commentary on the two films.

What an excellent video. Great breakdown of what makes a great director, and how Fincher tells the story. Please do more of these.

Sorry but its not Average vs expert. They´re r just aimed at diffrent audiences. The swedish one is aimed at an swedish audience that are used to crime dramas being played out way. It is played out as something that could happen in real life and you´re following a real detective solving a murder. Finchers version is somewhat what we would call americanised version. More dramatic and seemed to take place in another more darker universe to make the audience more intrigued. To me its like watching a crime drama vs dark thriller. I like them both but perfer the swedish one. Great analysis though! Hope to see more from u!

@niklashansen5432

6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic analysis, HB!

@TheRyanMackfall

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed! This is probably one of the better reasonings for the Swedish version I've seen anyone write! I'm not Swedish so I'd never consider this. It's always nice to see someone with facts rather than just saying 'they like the Swedish one' without any real reason.

@Davimre

6 жыл бұрын

This is totally on point. Fincher ramps up the mood and atmosphere, but in the process loses the pulpy, shoe leather quality that made both the book and the Swedish version more enjoyable.

@DrakulitaVampirenish

6 жыл бұрын

You expressed my thoughts exactly. I enjoyed the Swedish version much more because it had a more natural flow to me. The already complex story did not need more drama that the american version added. Also, I am not a big fan of the american choice of actors and their overly thatrical styling.

@MrKrtek00

6 жыл бұрын

Very much agree. That was my first reaction when I saw the trailer for Fincher first (after reading the book and seen the original version): a nice, expensive cinema that looks like Hollywood, smells like Hollywood and telling me a magical story about a far, far land where fairies and some strange Europeans live. The original version was more real, brutal, and wanted to feel so.

I find Fincher's version criminally underrated among his films. I think it's an outstanding film - and I admire the original, as well. But, as you said, Fincher sets a strong tone and atmosphere for his film. I remember being genuinely cold in the movie theater when watching it! Now THAT'S setting a scene!

@jaydauria4593

5 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! I remember seeing it in the theater and being completely blown away. I was so impressed, I went back to absorb the gritty details two more times in the theaters. I can only name a very small amount of films that made me as impressed as Finchers version did. He nailed the style and tone of the novel in almost all ways I can think of. Of course he has a very unique style to his films, but his style is what makes him so successful. He sets such a realistic and respectful tone to this film, from the color of the cinematography, down to the set design, screenplay, acting, and score.. A truly memorable crime drama that I still love to watch at least once every few months to remind myself of what a great film is.

@kothgames

4 жыл бұрын

Probably my favorite Fincher movie (which is saying a lot because everything he’s made is mind blowing). It’s such a chilling mystery/ thriller movie but it’s usually not mentioned as one of Fincher’s best.

Watching Fincher's version of the introduction, I expected her to be much more wierd. Not just with makeup. The swedish version showing a confident female is much more better.

The Swedish version is a great film

I don't agree, I didn't see any of that in the US film, I just saw it as being drawn out. However, I'd already watched the Swedish version, which preceded it by a couple of years, and fallen in love with that version of Mikael & Lisbeth, so I thought the US actors were but pale imitations.

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

Tamaresque mmm...I wouldn't say that...I think the new one does do a good job... just that the original one is much better cuz its more real etc etc etc

@plisskenetic

4 жыл бұрын

Tamaresque That’s just unfortunately your biasness at work. And I watched the Swedish version first too long before Fincher’s version existed and seriously found the latter version far more engaging

@NostalgiNorden

4 жыл бұрын

You are wrong.

@pchinnIII

4 жыл бұрын

There is no comparison on any level. Noomi was Lisbeth, no other way to see that role. There was one role that might have been better in the US film and that was done by a British actor (not Daniel). I am an American and always wished I could watch the original without subtitles even so I have seen the Swedish film at least 8 times. I don't think there are any highly regarded film critics who think the US version is better. The US version is more for those who have grown to like Marvel Films.

@akhilnair1137

4 жыл бұрын

@@pchinnIII and for those who understand better cinema and direction . Seriously , the swedish version is loved only for the fact that it came first without being better in any characteristic of Fincher's film .

I really like the Swedish version

I watched the American version first and it left a very interesting feel: dark, intimidating and very complicated to think about afterwards. I really liked it and would always recommend it to others. Later on I watched the Swedish films and I must say, that they made quite an impressive telling of the story. I would agree with some, that the difference is not just about the film making in different countries per se, but about the mentality - whether we like it or not, it affects the way the story is told. The American film as good as it is - makes it quite clear, that we must be fascinated by a thrilling story from Sweden or something like that. In Swedish version it is simply a chance to see a spine-chilling mystery with quite a lot of details not omitted. The fact it took place in Sweden - is secondary in the original films, but still serve the purpose of accentuating both the grim atmosphere and the plot.

I suppose it comes down to what you want the audience to feel. as far as storytelling goes. one builds her up and primes you for her reveal. the other drops you in and catches you off guard. one sequence uses the flowers as the answer. the other uses it as the question. it was a decent video but it was too biased. there are arguments to be made for either approach and I think you should lay them out them to give a more balanced analysis.

The idea of saying Fincher's version is 'better' is a bit silly . Fincher is a stylist, the amount of film craft and style that pops out at the viewer in each scene is correspondingly much larger. The originals are more low key, but not in any sense objectively worse and it is weird to use wording that implies it is so ...

@Arkain89

6 жыл бұрын

sean2339 if you want to draw a straight line and it ends up a curve, then I can tell it's a failure, objectively

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

-xX666Archain666Xx- I Approved by China 1927-1949 are you saying that the equator is a failure?

@Alexanderbendo

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. Both films are good in different ways. The Swedish film feels more naturalistic in approach while Fincher's is almost stylized to death. By showing the framed flowers before asking the question in dialogue a different question is asked by the audience, "what are we looking at?" or "what is this?" Which is just as effective as Fincher's.

@antigen4

5 жыл бұрын

of COURSE to an AMERICAN it would seem better - as the swedish version would seem better to most educated europeans

@CorbCorbin

5 жыл бұрын

mattanthony As far as the dialogue issues, I think Fincher had the benefit, of most people, having either read the book, or seen the first film. So the characters spouting exposition, wasn't needed, as well as the simple fact, of more money, gives more time to produce the film.

There is nothing average about the Swedish version of Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. It was almost universally praised upon releasee and perfectly cast, spawning two sequels and making stars of its leads. Fincher made use of already-established actors plus a much higher budget. Where are his sequels?

@arthurwild6563

5 жыл бұрын

And then someone came out and made a better movie.

@laurawalsh2829

5 жыл бұрын

Marcus, you make an interesting point here....with the American version, I was looking at the established actors -- as I've seen them in different roles. In the Swedish version, I didn't know anyone before in the trilogy, but definitely wanted to after. This is where the viewer can actually focus on the characters and plot of the story, rather than on who the actors are. Sadly, we lost Michael Nyquist (RIP). I am looking forward to the new "The Girl in the Spider's Web": It is not one of the original stories as Stieg Larrson also passed away -- but it expands on the already established characters. Can't wait for Novermber's 2018 release!!! (Read the book first).

@Sofia_._._

5 жыл бұрын

Perfectly cast? The main actors were so bad compared to the American ones

I personally prefer the Swedes version

This video would’ve been much better if you’d just done a side by side comparison as opposed to “Finchers is better because...” I prefer the Swedish version.

@kasperkjrsgaard1447

4 жыл бұрын

Anigurl28 Which was directed by a dane.

@NostalgiNorden

4 жыл бұрын

Swedish version is crap.

@plisskenetic

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer the Fincher version big time

The American version brings us into a fantasy land where people speak to each other in an unrealistic way. The Swedish version gives us a much more realistic world which makes the finale have a greater emotional impact on the viewer in my opinion.

@justsomegirlwithoutamustache

7 ай бұрын

Realism =/= objectively better. There are a lot of realistic things that we don't need to see to get a point across

@ryanhopkins5239

5 ай бұрын

Some of the most emotional come from movies that don't live in realism

Unpopular opinion but I prefer the remake as well,😂

@AngelXO96

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not unpopular tbh, the director definitely understands the story better

Well it's easy to call something "expert level" when it takes from something that has already been done and they finesse it. Ridiculous

Undoubtedly Fincher's cinematography is superior, but storytelling wise the original is more raw, believable. "Stretching" the introduction of Lisbeth makes her out to be some anti-hero right out the gate, a larger than life personality. The original presents her more matter-of-factly, but the contrast comes with her demeanor and style contrasting to the color temperature and lighting of the scene (warm, well-lit vs. her dark and brooding).

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

sugasugaki yayayayayes

Having lived in many countries and watching local productions I would like to state that american movies compared to nordic feel to need to extrapolate EVERYTHING! They seem to need to explain more and make things more obvious while European often are more raw and real, trying to mirror reality rather then staged and more easily consumed reality. Reality is key, it gives uncomfortable, honest feeling while many bigger hollywood productions as well as some newer european trying to emulate hollywood productions this means its easier consumed, gives oddly enough a "cosier" feeling while the more subtle raw approach feels poorer although in comparison. Both styles have their cons and pros. But it is a chosen style and approach to how to tell stories. Dont forget the cultural approach, while americans in sweden are perceived as being loud and sometimes dishonestly expressive, the swedes pride themselves of showing less emotions unless truly felt and honest. From a cultural perspective the two styles are rather obvious and therefore hard to explain and interpret this way.

I've watched both versions, I have the original trilogy, I've also read the books. Although I like the American version, for me the original is far better

@Bjjbhcoa86

2 жыл бұрын

I know I'm in the minority, but I think Fincher version even improves on the book. The totally unnecessary Australia trip is omitted for example. The book is good, but it feels bloated at many times, Fincher really shaves it down.

In my experience, American remakes of foreign movies consistently outspend yet underperform the original.

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

Feardrinker oh Teri... fact of life!

@whutzat

4 жыл бұрын

This was the exception.

I read the book and the whole book series and saw both movie versions (10 years ago or so) I like the original better . Noomi Rapace did much better acting, a vulnerable trait that Rooney Mara lacked. Sail Away music at the end was a nice touch to the latter

@arthurwild6563

5 жыл бұрын

Kek, Noomi, who mouthbreathed the entire movie throughout and only had one facial expression? That Noomi?

@Sofia_._._

5 жыл бұрын

Noomi was average at best. She was an anoying moody girl nothing more. Rooney showed how problematic and unsociable lisbeth was. Besides Rooney received oscars golden globe nominations and was praise by experts for her role, what did Noomi receive??? Lol a big fat nothing that’s what she is terrible lisbeth

@NostalgiNorden

4 жыл бұрын

Noomi Rapaces "acting" is embarrassingly bad.

I think the fact that there is so much back and forth about preferences between these movies is a testament to how good both are, a rare thing when different versions of a film exist, usually there's a landslide preference for one or the other, and this is a rare case. In my opinion some positives and negatives are: American version: - FAR superior soundtrack. - The unveiling of Martin Vanger as the killer and Blomkvist being saved are dramatically better, amazing tension, the use of Enya and Martin's dialogue and that whole scene I think is the single strongest point of either movie BUT... - This scene is immediately followed up with an absolute action movie cheese fest. 1) Lisbeth tries to pass his SUV on the bridge with her motorcycle for... Reasons? Lisbeth is an intelligent character, and the scene reads as her trying to pass him and get ahead, rather than bait him into a crash, which needless to say is a wildly dumb move when he's already on the ropes, weaponless, and in a slower vehicle, 2) he crashes and then *HOLLYWOOD KABOOM*. It was stupid as hell, cheesy, and nearly made me laugh compared the brutal, truer to the book, thematically relevant for the sequel, AND way less cheesy scene in the Swedish version when Martin is begging and lets him slowly burn to death. Martin's death scene in the American version is easily the WORST sequence in either movie. - Ending is more authentic to the book and characters. - Better cinematography Swedish version: - Better acting in my opinion - Better casting, all the characters feel real instead of overly dolled up attractive hollywood stars, their ages and appearances more closely reflect the book - Better (this one is vague), mood and atmosphere. Everything feels real. In the video the introduction of Lisbeth in the American version (which Scenecraft seems to prefer) to me (while not explicitly cheesy) leans more in that direction. "She's different" cut to her taking off her helmet (with somehow an intact mohawk?...), "in what way? Every way?" cut to her mohawk and wiping her nose. The whole thing feels #punk #notlikeothergirls a bit in how it's edited. The swedish version feels raw, real, and honest in how it's presented, she turns around looking wildly out of place in her attire, and she doesn't give a crap and drinks her coffee. Liseth feels shy at times in the American one, too soft for the character. The swedish Lisbeth feels actively hostile and standoffish, which is much more true to how she was originally written, and doesn't fall into this hollywood "shy girl opens up and finally falls in love with Blomkvist" in the same way the American film does. Both movies are great, and parts of the American one are EXCELLENT, but I prefer the Swedish film primarily because 1) the characters feel real, Noomi Rapace IS Lisbeth Salander in my mind much more than Rooney Mara, 2) the whole feel is grittier and more raw, 3) the story's climax with Martin's death is stupid, childish, and cheesy in the American version, and is a real black mark on an otherwise great film. A final (probably my most controversial take), I thought the opening CGI sequence (while cool looking) in the American version clashed terribly with the vibe of the movie. It feels like the opener for a 2000s cheesy teen horror movie, and it would have been better if it wasn't included at all.

I keep rewatching this every once in a while. Really well done.

I have to say I also think it's a cultural difference. American movies tend to overdramatize everything, making it very movie-like and unreal. Whereas Swedish movies tends to aim for a more realistic approach, less dramatic. I'm not defending the swedish version because I am swedish, I acctually prefer american movies in general but if telling a swedish story it ought to be the swedish way to grasp the feeling.also it was super weird seeing it take place in sweden but the language is still english :p

@T0ghar

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, European crime dramas are way more subtle. You can see that with the recent German Netflix series "Dogs of Berlin" which for my taste tries way too much to be American. I prefer the traditional German, Danish and Swedish crime dramas.

@T0ghar

4 жыл бұрын

@nickys34 Specify please and don't accuse people of talking nonsense before clarifying. When were they plain jane? Not for a long time in my opinion, not on TV and not in the cinema. And what "euro movies" do you mean? Name titles please from the countries I talked about.

@reikoross9181

4 жыл бұрын

I love the books, reread them every couple of years. I also love the Milennium Trilogy (the one that was shown on Swedish T.V. which were longer and more detailed (and slower paced) version of the ones released to theaters. I have it on Bluray and I have few disks. For me Noomi really filled the character but she had lots of time in the Trilogy but I have long admired Fincher and Roomi does a good job and I wish she had an opportunity to also fill-out the character with6 more hours. Fincher ha some interesting insights into the character that may have grown out of discussions of the Swedish effort or a careful reading of the books. Seems to me Fincher's benefited from a kind of reverse engineering of the first effort (as well as a bigger budget) but I see what you have observed and agree--but most would agree that Fincher is very talented.

@groganfilm

4 жыл бұрын

@@reikoross9181 I agree 100%. When you have a blueprint to go off of it's much easier to make new changes stretch things as the reviewer says and make all kinds of interesting variations on scenes. I've been a filmmaker for 22 years and I would feel like I'm insulting another filmmaker by making a new film on the same story so close to when he made his. I do enjoy Fincher's work and have admired his films for many years however in this case he had and amazingly made film to base his film on. The Swedish version is a phenomenal piece of filmmaking and I think Fincher needs to acknowledge how well it was made and how he was obviously in many ways influenced by in the making of his version.

@stephenfromcandyland9485

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I am American and preferred the Swedish version for the atmosphere and original language

2:27 I beg to differ. Though I haven't watched the original Swedish movie, based on that scene you showed, a question was actually introduced: What are those on the wall? What do they mean? Then the answer (though rather quicker than the American version) came: mementos from Hariett's murderer. Just because the question and the answer are flipped from one movie to the other, doesn't mean there were no question asked.

@ricardocastro253

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@wabii6714

2 жыл бұрын

L

Both are great in their own categories. Given the lower budget, the swedish version is still entertaining. But David has an amazing cast and crew at his disposal, and he's so methodic and talented.

I am blown away by this video, great work! just subscribed.

I think the Swedish version is superior because it works way better as a mystery/criminal drama

I don't see many saying that the male lead is better in the 1st one but I really do: He comes across as someone who has a great deal to teach me about personal style: quite fascinating

Dude. This is an amazing essay. Wish you would so more.

@locustslacker6614

3 жыл бұрын

Я искал комментарий про то, что нужны новые видео. Жаль, что автор остановился.

Hey! Hoping you can make more videos like breaking them down, learned so much from this! Cheers!

Your points dont always make sense. You clearly have a bias for Fincher, and the analysis ends up confused. For example, your point about the flowers, "Fincher asks a question then gives an answer unlike the swedish one that gives the answer first". This is incorrect. The swedish one also gives a question and an answer, just a different one. Finchers Q: What is the old man talking about? Swedish Q: What is with the flowers? You didnt analyze the scene, you just assumed what Fincher does is "correct" and therefor all other approaches are wrong.

@Zombehz4lyfe

6 жыл бұрын

Lacke I think what he was trying to get at in comparing the two scenes is that Fincher's version is more effective at inciting intrigue in the viewer due to how he introduces the flowers and stretches the scene. In Fincher's version, the question is asked, the stretch begins, and the answer is given to the audience visually (hiding exposition in the drama of the scene). In the Swedish version, it lacks the same impact for the audience because it gives the answer audibly. The audience is shown the flowers (asking a different question [what is the significance of the flowers?]), the stretch does not occur visually, rather it is done through expositional dialogue as to what the flowers are, then the scene ends with the detective asking another question (who could have sent them), and then another answer is given audibly. Through comparing the two scenes I believe he was trying to emphasize Fincher's use of camera work and stretching in order to extract all the drama he could from the scene. By starting with the question and finishing with a haunting visual of the flowers, it limits the amount of exposition and grabs the viewer's attention. In the Swedish version however, while I do like the panning out shot of all the flowers in the beginning, since it occurs at the beginning of the scene there is little left for the scene to stand on visually. For lack of a better term, it "blows its load too early". I think of it sort of like the standard western story-telling model. Beginning, rising action and then climax. Fincher follows this formula whereas the Swedish version reverses it. Maybe it just comes down to different methods of cinema coming out from two different nationalities, but I personally found Fincher's version of the scene more impactful and engaging.

@jcsahnwaldt

6 жыл бұрын

"The viewer" doesn't exist. Every viewer is different. One might argue that in this particular case we could talk about the differences between American viewers and Swedish (or maybe European) viewers, but even that wouldn't be quite right.

@michaelshort2388

6 жыл бұрын

Me as a viewer found Finchers one lacking. I loved the Swedish one. I felt the Swedish version was more inline with the books original books. Don't take this as a fault because it's the same with most nationalities but I think being American be probably liked the american one more because it was directed with Americans in mind. Where as the Swedish one is more targeted towards Swedes and Europeans in general. A bit like the Office. An American company recreated the office based off of the British TV show, most Americans i've spoken to prefer the American one, where as most British people i've spoken to prefer the British one.

@keenoled

6 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree. Nationality has less to do with liking the Swedish one and more to do with how much you like great editing and lighting, versus the comfy familiarity of Swedish TV movie storytelling. I do agree with you that different viewers like different versions better.

@chickgonesquirrely

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Short I’m American and I see no reason fincher should’ve made it, he pretty much did a scene for scene reshoot of the Swedish one, the Swedish one was gold

Wow, incredible work you did! Loved it. I had wanted to see the first version, but watched Fincher´s first. After that, I just couldn´t imagine it could get any better and so I never did. This sums it up pretty well. Fincher is a genius and Zaillian did a perfect job. Craig and Mara were incredible!!

@maumaumau59

2 ай бұрын

Hopefully you found the 2 sequel films done in Swedish - the style and pace of those naturally mirrors the first. I personally enjoyed all the films and agree with this video's viewpoint, Fincher's film making is on a higher plain.

This was a superb analysis. Intelligent and logical. Please, please make more videos!

Having finally managed to see the Swedish version in total now, I can honestly say that I think the Swedish version is more realistic and authentic. However I prefer the Fincher's one because Fincher is expertly able to enthral us into the serial killer angle of the story and I find the relationship between Lisabeth and Mikael more compelling and profound. There is a better handle between them and that comes down to Fincher's direction. Something that is empathized with is the ending moment when Lisabeth sees Mikael with Erika and knows that he'll never see her that way, which is so much better as the characters had so much emotion built up that I felt missing in the Swedish.

When Lisbeth is introduced the different choices of the two directors perfectly illustrates the difference between suspense and surprise. I love suspense, but I kind of think surprise is more appropriate here.

@levischorpioen

5 жыл бұрын

It is, if you have zero interest in humanising Lisbeth.

@arthurwild6563

5 жыл бұрын

Why?

@levischorpioen

5 жыл бұрын

Arthur Wild The point was to adapt the trilogy, the American film wasn’t supposed to be a stand alone. If you know anything about the sequels, you know that Lisbeth is the main character and the sequels basically act as character studies of her. By introducing her with so much contempt and treating her like an inhuman thing that we don’t understand, you just create disinterest for her. The company doesn’t like her, she doesn’t make herself likable, so why should we like her? The Swedish adaptation handles this much better, they don’t treat her like an 80s slasher villain.

Wasn't the Swedish version a TV movie? I like the original cause it was more "mean spirited". Also the main guy looked like a regular, average, reporter man... Love Daniel Craig but he looks too "hot"

@hrh4961

4 жыл бұрын

No man EVER looks too hot!

@lucykitty6492

3 жыл бұрын

So agree. The Swedish version casting was so much better. Craig was wrong for this part.

@Niobesnuppa

3 жыл бұрын

Not a TV movie, no. The Swedish movies were all released in theatres. I saw the first one at the cinema back in 2009.

As a Swede i have to say the Swedish version is better, darker and more authentic and i guess you are American and therefore has to say the American version is better more polished and eye candy as always. The Swedish version is better because they are in the original language and there is always something that gets lost in translation when you make another version in another language and that goes for all remakes or movies that has been made in another language. i loved the Swedish version Noomi and Mikale are so good together and they click and ther scenes are much better and authentic than in the American version. Sadly Mikael passed away as did the writer of these great books.

@MrJCTONE

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% - Bollywood has lost it - no original idea,s - only remakes & CGI -

@wictoriaojheden

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJCTONE Bollywood ????

@RodgerYoung2024

Жыл бұрын

@@wictoriaojheden kkkkkkkkkkk o cara tá maluco

@Neo-tn1mc

Жыл бұрын

As an American, the Swedish version was more realistic and darker

@volumesofrelativeobscurity

Жыл бұрын

As an artist...the American version is better... Fincher had a better palette and did more with what he had drawing is in..keeping the viewer interested. Maybe American audiences just appreciate the time and effort put into our art. America just does everything better. Dont hate us for that. Someone has to be number 1. Truth is not arrogant. It's just true.

Really really good breakdown. I have learnt a lot from this.

Such a nice and interesting video, I loved the american movie but the swedish one is more accurate

I saw the Swedish films first and really enjoyed them. I’m a big David Fincher fan but I found the idea of remaking this for an American audience to be a very “Hollywood” and unnecessary idea.

@bookeblade

3 жыл бұрын

Is it a problem?

@Higginsfilm

3 жыл бұрын

It wasnt a remake. It was another adaptation of the book.

@wabii6714

2 жыл бұрын

when i first was about to watch it i thought the same but as it turns out its nothing of the sort

I’ve loved Fincher’s version for many years and just recently decided to watch the original Swedish version. I find it astounding people prefer that one over Fincher’s. It is a good movie no question but imo Fincher’s is the perfect adaptation of the material, even the things he tweaked I found to be more engaging for a film version. I love the leads in other roles I’ve seen them in but I found Mara and Craig more engaging. They felt like real people, Craig got to be messy (takes up smoking again, sleeps around) and Mara brought more of a stunted child who is actually brilliantly dangerous vibe to the role. Their chemistry is palpable in a way I never felt with the original and when their relationship progresses it feels more real than in the original where it comes almost out of left field. Fincher also excels in making things that are typically boring like snooping through old documents and pictures engaging for the viewer as opposed to the original where it got a little corny in spots. Tone is also extremely important and Fincher with help from Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross’s soundtrack pull you in to the dark and cold world of the story in a way I didn’t feel in the original. I think the main things the original has over Fincher’s is being in the original Swedish language and the fact that they got to do all three books with the same cast, Fincher never got the green light for the other two.

Fantastic Analysis, I hope to see more from you in the future. Makes me want to compare the two films myself

The original feels very real. The remake feels very hollywood-ized, especially the characters, everyone treats each other as actors, instead as just ordinary people. Also, and this is just a personal preference, but- I can't stand the remake's version of Lisbeth. Much prefer the original.

@chickgonesquirrely

6 жыл бұрын

longoats same! Rooney Mara is great I just think her version of Lisbeth is cheesy

@sdghtjsdcgs

6 жыл бұрын

There is no original. They were both being developed at the same time.

@jefferson4real

6 жыл бұрын

Swedish Version is by far better. She portrays the behavior of borderline people in a perfect way. The American version is just...meh...

@trancendental5373

6 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% Having seen the Swedish one first, the American one feels so hollow. I love Fincher but I think he's best when he sticks to American settings (Gone Girl, House of Cards etc) Dragon Tattoo is a cerebral mystery and Americans don't do subtlety well.

@azmtkdzv

6 жыл бұрын

Yes! She was that real woman that had strength, had an edge of a person that been through shit. In Fincher's version, she felt almost levitating above this stuff. When you saw and felt that anger and trembling in her eyes and seen where that coming from. So much stronger feelings from the original. While author shows the scene where the killer is revealed as a comparison I felt genuinely scared in the original - there was something boring for the killer in what he was doing: in Fincher's version, as you said, they both were being actors too much playing in a ​theatrical sense.

I ALSO LOVE HIS USE OF SOUND/MUSIC.

All I know is I have a much more powerful reaction to Fincher's film than I do from the other guy. I wanna see much more of fincher's world than I do of the others.

I hate to attack your premise, but stretching out a moment can be a bad thing. It can be belaboring a point, overemphasizing "moments" over just telling the damn story. Personally, I prefer the Swedish introduction of the female character. She dominates the men completely, and the first shot of her character is more effective in the Sswdish version (seeing more of the character establishes her better; in the American version, she's cut off by the table).

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Johnson lisbeth is also fetishized in the new version

@brandon17760

5 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Johnson you do realize she's not supposed to "dominate the men" right? She's supposed to be the person society turned their back on, the weak person who hasn't found out how strong she is yet.

@Sofia_._._

5 жыл бұрын

Lisbeth is socially awkward she is not supposed to be the confident girl she portrayed. They both “owned men” if you mean they are shown as smarter and both save the day

The Swedish feels alot more interesting than the others and the book isn't followed by either super closely but, I feel the Swedish ones just got a bit more right compared to the Hollywood ones, Swedens social culture it also portrays Lisbeth better than in the Hollywood one, Whilst the Hollywood one employed more advanced or complex techniques the Swedish one keeps it honest fast passed and brutal. Thats a good thing the book isnt long drawn out its a race against time from the moment Lisbeth and michael set foot on the island. Each of the scene if its Lisbeths tramatic scene or Michael feels more scary and brutal thus giving the payoff more satisfaction as you see Lisbeth get her own back or the killer getting caught. I found the Swedish one more enjoyable whilst the Hollywood one seemed to shy away from the violence against Lisbeth and the male-dominated world which the book portrays. Noomi Rapace also nailed Lisbeth far better then Rooney Mara

@Sofia_._._

5 жыл бұрын

[ _ ] did you even read the book? Obviously not because both critics and awards though Rooney’s performance was great. Noomi was loud obnoxious, looked strong, and confident, masculine, focused... Everything she wasn’t supposed to be

@atticstattic

4 жыл бұрын

Rapace was a good interpretation, but she wasn't the character described in the book ..

@MaxTrogmore42

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sofia_._._ I did read the books and I think in my opinion when it comes to film which is a art form so it subjective the Swedish films just felt more complete compared to the Hollywood ones

@MaxTrogmore42

4 жыл бұрын

@@atticstattic yeah I know that haha 😂 I just felt that the over all tone of the Swedish ones where alot more interesting then the others, it's totally subjective but I think both had good parts and bad just the Swedish ones have a few more.

@MaxTrogmore42

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisJohnson1988 we are all allowed are own opinions I understand yours and I agree that lisbeth was different in both, but naomis wasn't bad and over all I think the Swedish films tones and other imagery was just better

The way you explained the reactions shots. "blomkwist seems sleepy and bored", that was hilarious as fuk! 🤣🤣

I was taken by the original film when it was available and made sure to watch the others as soon as they were available. I’ve never traveled outside the US, so, I was intrigued by the different culture, the movie’s characters, but also the plot itself. I thought they were really good films and didn’t mind at all the subtitles. I watched the American version and liked it, but I found myself wanting to watch the original adaptation.

I prefer the swedish version. Thematicly it is closer to the book. The American version is trying too hard to be nordic noir. Also the swedish version is funny sometimes like the is.

@atticstattic

6 жыл бұрын

I thought so too - I also preferred the casting in the Swedish version, with the exception of Lisbeth...

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes yes yaaaaaaas! Totally! The American version is also too slick I think

@maipad3186

6 жыл бұрын

atticstattic no way! Noomi Rapace did a great job I think

@atticstattic

6 жыл бұрын

Ma Ipad I agree, she did a great job - she just wasn't the character as described in the book...

@atticstattic

6 жыл бұрын

Ma Ipad Yes - too polished...

I think a important part to how you view this is the culture you where brought up in. The US version has a lot of drama. The Swedish version tries to prevent caricatures and makes it feel relatable for Scandinavians. Drama would put distance between the viewer and the story. Good comparison but I would not call it average & expert when comparing styles which serve different goals.

you are a genius, this is an amazing analysis, well done!

You nailed it. I watched the Swedish version first, and it felt very cold, like I was just being fed information. I didn't remember any scenes or performances afterwards. With the Fincher version, I FELT what the story was about and what the characters were going through, and so many scenes and performances are etched in my mind. Lesson: Feeling first, information second.

@Endru85x

5 ай бұрын

One scene i love in particular in Fincher version is money laundering by Lisbeth pretending to be Irene Nesser. Eerie soundtrack, Lisbeth behaving as special agent doing his plan, camera work which make you think " something wicked is about to happen and you cannot avoid it". I bet even with smaller budget Fincher would still make a memorable scene like this. After watching swedish version i did not feel urge to rewatch any part of swedish version.

well done. I loved Fincher's version and would love to see more, but probably not gonna happen

@SceneCraft

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of doing a short about the differences between how Oplev and Fincher suggested violence, so... we'll see!

@fionnualathompson2228

7 жыл бұрын

Do it! Please...

I remember watching the Swedish and American version back to back within a week and I noticed something that made the former feel inferior is that they took all of Blomkvist's significant moments and dumped them onto Lisbeth. Don't get me wrong, Lisbeth is an excellently strong female character but I felt it made her dynamic with Blomkvist uneven as she did all the investigating and he was a bumbling idiot (like how all the close ups made him look bored and uninvested). I think it's the Legolas or Hermione effect when filmmakers take a competent character and exaggerate their competentcy because I think they were trying to make Lisbeth less of a character and more of a force of nature. With Fincher, all the original story beats remain intact but there was a definite partnership between the two as both were equally clever, they both made substantial contributions to the investigation, and the film took the time to show the character's processes when coming to a conclusion.

@henrytjernlund

5 жыл бұрын

In the book, Lisbeth is not the main character. The reporter was. The original title was not about Lisbeth either. Don't get me wrong, the final title is great. ANd Lisbeth is great. But the focus shifted more to Lisbeth in the movie than in the book.

Glad to see that most people defend/prefer the original 👏😭 y'all have great *TASTE* imo

The original trilogy was vastly superior to the hollywood remake in my opinion - I think Noomi Rapace had alot to do with its success in my mind

@privatear2001

3 жыл бұрын

She has been in a lot of different movies since that role. But I think it definitely brought her into the limelight regards to getting calls from Hollywood. Much as I think "Pitch Black" really made Vin Diesel's career (the role seemed WRITTEN for him), playing Lisbeth Salander really made Noomi Rapace's, as well. She definitely took centre-stage. I loved the character. And I loved her interaction with Mikael Blomkvist. There were some really great actors and actresses in that trilogy.

@Standard_Jay

3 жыл бұрын

The Hollywood version is not a "remake" ...it was in the pipeline to be adapted as a film at the same time the Swedish adaption was being filmed

i prefer the Swedish version by as far margin. Cinematic's aside, it was far more organic and unfiltered.

@g.e.o.r.g.e...

7 жыл бұрын

I guess you'd like eating raw organic chicken over a masterfully sculpted meal from a Michelin Star chef?

@TheCDNkindaguy

7 жыл бұрын

the entertainment value of this one is better, however it lacks the ability to make me feel uncomfortable and put of my element like the 1st.

@g.e.o.r.g.e...

7 жыл бұрын

That's weird, considering the entire video was based on highlighting the fact that Fincher's direction amplifies the sense of unease and tension by not blurting out exposition and instead "stretching the moments".

@TheCDNkindaguy

7 жыл бұрын

i agree, it is wierd. maybe is simply due to my bias from watching the swediah one 1st with no warning of its subject. or my opinion is based on simpleton criteria.

@g.e.o.r.g.e...

7 жыл бұрын

Well... Having a mystery movie spoiled for you will kind of dampen your enjoyment of it.

I was impressed by Fincher's version after watching the original. I saw right away the greater production value but then I realized the Fincher did a great job as a director . .

@antigen4

5 жыл бұрын

BIGGER BUDGET you mean?

@Pontidenvresige

5 жыл бұрын

When one does more with less is when you see true greatness.

I'm soooo happy Knowing that almost everyone preferred the Swedish rather than the American version of the flim. But the American has some stronger aspects in some parts but the advantage is definitely in the Swedish court😎😎☕